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Raw Paleo Diet Forums => Info / News Items / Announcements => Topic started by: sabertooth on January 29, 2016, 11:01:53 am
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While the US government is literally waging war against the producers of Free Range Beef, and through the FDA/USDA has subverted overall Food Liberty; Russia is importing cowboys, rejecting GMOs, embracing local organic, and plans to be food independent by 2020
http://rbth.com/articles/2011/04/25/us_cowboys_join_russian_ranch_with_true_grit_12798.html (http://rbth.com/articles/2011/04/25/us_cowboys_join_russian_ranch_with_true_grit_12798.html)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCAmrBOkAFs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCAmrBOkAFs)
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It doesnt talk much about their pasture management practices in the article, does the video go more in depth? Perhaps their is wildlife/undulates more suited to this environment and importing cattle may have been a bad move for the top soil with out proper management? Someone should send Putin a copy of Restoration Agriculture by Mark Shepard and the folks at New Forest Farm....http://agriculturalinsights.com/multi-species-grazing-permaculture-system-peter-allen/ (http://agriculturalinsights.com/multi-species-grazing-permaculture-system-peter-allen/)
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Not sure of all the details, apparently there is a huge food awakening in Russia and they are currently dedicated to ecologically sound food production and rejection of the horrible practices of western Big Agra. Information is limited on the details, but the establishment of great numbers of pasture raised cattle is currently underway...I am simply raising awareness of what I see as a positive trend....They are claiming that in Russia people are now given access to Paleo Quality Meat, for the same cost as the absolutely cheapest Monsanto fed beef in the west....Time will tell if this trend will continue and lead to Russia becoming the leader of a food quality reformation.
Putin Knows exactly whats going on regarding the catastrophe of western food production...and they are working on becoming food independent, while at the same time, in the US we are going in the opposite direction.....
Years ago Putin was giving interviews explaining the ban on US chicken was due to " Quality issues"...and recently RT exposed the truth regarding the US poultry industry.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boUs1FUyXJo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boUs1FUyXJo)
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I just wonder if they have looked into their own personal natural history, because there are still many more indigenous Russians, and i do believe they had a more meatless diet, thriving(although not in the way we view it through our civilized eyes) eating fish, nuts(including pine nuts), mushrooms, berries, greens, fruits(apples and pears originated in the forests in that region) etcetc because this is what that landscape more naturally, healthfully and sustainable provided. If there is that much loamy topsoil in the absence of cows they will have a hard time trying to mass produce food while keeping that topsoil intact because it is still an intense, undiversified and also alien process. But yes their culture that is tied to nature is still much more intact than us transplants to the West and has a much better understanding that for a country to thrive you need healthful, intelligent, compassionate citizens.
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I read recently that investing in Russian land is a huge phenomenon nowadays, something like 13 us dollars per acre etc. Not surprising given that the old Soviet Union had a 1/6th of the Earth's land surface.
No surprise that Russia wants food-independence given the atrocious sanctions the US laid on it. It is about time that the US and Israel were similiarly sanctioned by the rest of the world for their evil actions in the Middle-East.
One thing we all have to bear in mind:- every country or region has different freedoms and excesses. In Russia, one dare not criticise the KGB or any other Putin ally, but one cannot be extradited to the US, one has greater freedom as regards tax-shelters from the West etc.
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I have distant relatives in Russia and no one over there gives a shit about food origins. With the purchasing power plummeting like a rock most Russians are going for the cheapest selections. Bread, pasta, and potatoes is a staple and eaten daily. Beef is expensive. Most Russians prefer pork and chicken most likely raised in filthy industrial farms.
They have some farm land that they lease out. I asked why don't then farm it themselves. They said the profit is so low it does not make sense to spend time farming. And living in the country side is considered inferior. Majority prefer apartment living in big cities. As far a I know everyone is heavily using industrial fertilizers and pesticides. Uralkali is one of the largest fertilizer manufacturer.
It is still possible to find organic produce with enough effort but most local stores and supermarkets are just like in the US. Who knows how the produce was grown.
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Judging from Yuri's past reports in the Ukraine, I fear that Ys's comments are far closer to reality as regards Eastern Europe.
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Not surprising given that the old Soviet Union had a 1/6th of the Earth's land surface.
70% of that 1/6th land is tundra and snow forest. Relatively very few good farming/pasture lands.
Ukraine, on the other hand, has one of the best farming lands.
Few local people want to grow successful business in Russia if they are not friends with men in power. If someone somehow manages to get big and successful they are forced to sell business to government mafia. VK.com is a good example.
It was in the news recently a report about Putin's corruption. In a civilized world we call it corruption. But in Russia it is not. Nepotism and cronyism is considered normal just like in typical 3rd world country.
My dad's friend ran for a mayor for the only purpose of helping his business.
In such toxic business environment I'd be very cautious about news like that.
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I'm keeping in touch with Yuri time to time. He does manage to find quality meats and raw milk. But it is a huge hassle that most people choose not to be bothered with.
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maybe i am just romanticizing because i been reading them books about beautiful russian women with their souls intact and the people who actually live to tend their gardens......ah well... the world needs dreamers.
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Ys is entitled to his cynicism, If you look for fault in anything you will find it........ but as a dreamer I prefer romanticism, and will boldly chose to always look on the light side of life!
Every negative statement Ys has directed toward Russia, can be said of certain areas of the United States, there will always be elements of the lowest common denominator within a nation, regardless of what kind of progress is made.
He does manage to find quality meats and raw milk.
This is what I am primarily interested in...can someone if well motivated and industrious gain access to the kind of nutritional freedoms which I would find consistent with the paleo principles? All that other information is irreverent geopolitical tripe! My father in law spent a couple of years in the old soviet union country Yugoslavia, and he gave me the impression of a more rural providential atmosphere where people where self sufficient. He told me stories about killing chickens every day and how he saw men in their 80s walking down the street eating some kind of treat made with skewered pork fat( he called it pork fat on a stick). He told me about a farm dog that was over 20 years old and lived entirely on raw chicken bones.
Point being, I can imagine that even if a majority of people in Russia are no different than the millions of people in America who dont give a damn about these issues, there still are millions of people who do care, and they have access to rural farmers who can produce extremely high quality food, for a fraction of the cost of USDA Organic labeled food in the US.
Regardless of what people claim to know of Putins " Corruption" say what you will, the man has been able to keep Monsanto Out! He is also a promoter of organic foods and overall food independence. In general the Russian government encourages people to produce their own food.
On the other hand our president appoints the former lords of Monsanto to the Head of our FDA, and rubber stamps any pro big Agra bill that makes it to his desk. We have an elite who feed their own children organic while supporting policy which makes it all but impossible for lower income families to do the same!
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I hope Russia actually does this. While I think vat-grown meat is the future, we need at least a few powerful countries who refuse to eat it until it's perfected, for several good reasons.
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there still are millions of people who do care, and they have access to rural farmers who can produce extremely high quality food, for a fraction of the cost of USDA Organic labeled food in the US.
In general the Russian government encourages people to produce their own food.
It amazes me you are making such bold claims while knowing almost nothing about the country. There is really no point discussing this further. Go live there for 6 months then we'll talk.
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It amazes me you are making such bold claims while knowing almost nothing about the country. There is really no point discussing this further. Go live there for 6 months then we'll talk.
You seem like a big Ronald Reagan fan or something. The cold war is over my friend...Why do you hold such an obvious bias against Russia?
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Id love to live there for 6 months, to learn for myself more about the awakening which is going on over there, if only there is away 8)....Its a huge place and though I have never been their I have an affinity to the Russian soul, and am fairly convinced that I could find a place there where I could be quite comfortable among the rural folk....
This is an open discussion and I welcome all views...BUT if you are going to disagree with the basic premise of this thread, which is how Russia is emerging as a world leader in Organic and unadulterated foods, then please present some evidence that isn't just rehashed propaganda from the cold war era. The people of Russia have been victims of Tyrannic forces for generations, and experienced suffering beyond the capacity for most to even fathom, they deserve some compassion.
In the mean time I will also be using this thread to present some of the hard core truth warriors that are censored in the American media, and have had to defect to RT to be able to speak out about the issues they are most passionate about. There is an opertunity to Tear Down these walls of media driven ideological prejudice which have long separated the peoples of the old soviet Union from the west.
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maybe i am just romanticizing because i been reading them books about beautiful russian women with their souls intact and the people who actually live to tend their gardens......ah well... the world needs dreamers.
This woman from Russia is remarkable. Her and the other local people featured are examples of the kind of Russian spirit that does not get noticed in the mainstream media
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tt2AYafET68 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tt2AYafET68)
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Saber, don't leave one illusion for the other...
First of all, don't believe everything the Moscow gov says. Hell, don't believe anything they say! ex-KGB officer President Putin* is a methodical liar, who maintains a personality cult for himself, notably with obvious lies about his accomplishments. Last time I checked, Putin became higher ranked in taekwondo than Chuck Norris, despite never taking part in the art. Now that's a badass!
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/vladimir-putin-is-awarded-grandmaster-rank-in-taekwondo-and-given-black-belt-despite-not-practising-8938967.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/vladimir-putin-is-awarded-grandmaster-rank-in-taekwondo-and-given-black-belt-despite-not-practising-8938967.html)
About the use of pesticides and other agro-chemicals in Russia: certainly not decreasing.
http://www.euromonitor.com/pesticides-and-other-agro-chemical-products-in-russia-isic-2421/report (http://www.euromonitor.com/pesticides-and-other-agro-chemical-products-in-russia-isic-2421/report)
"Pesticides and other agro-chemical products market in Russia grows 44% in 2013 due to increase in household demand and record harvest in agriculture industry. Russian grain harvest grows 21% in 2013 due to humid spring, increasing demand for pesticides and other agrochemicals in Russia. In 2014 Russian Government imposes ban on food imports from EU and US as sanctions sparked, raising incentives for domestic farmers to increase output. Production of anti-sprouting and plant-growth regulators rises by amazing 742% in 2014 due to launch of new production capacity and strong domestic demand. Turnover expected to continue sharp growth CAGR of 19% over 2013-2019 as producers continue to increase production capacity to catch up with Russian market demand. "
Now how's that for organic food promotion?
Moral of the story: It's not because you realized (and only care to see) how shit America is, that its historical rival is any better. Read some more, and not propaganda websites only(from both sides, of course), and keep an open mind, even to the uncomfortable truth.
*in French "putin" = whore ;D
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No Need to patronize..I am not being naive....I am clearly aware that there is more than enough illusion to go around....
The article on agricultural chemicals does not say anything very specific.... Pesticides and chemicals can mean anything, I would like to know exactly what they are using, compared to the round up ready GMO of the US?
Of course they are still using conventional methods, my main point is that there is a movement within the millennials of Russia to support organic foods and the awakening....Yes Much of Russia is still under certain kinds of tyranny, but I would rather light a candle than curse the darkness...
There is still much secrecy regarding the biological sciences of Russia...it is apparent for anyone with some basic sense to see that they have conducted their own lab analysis on the imported foods, and even before all these embargos they have concluded that they want to keep out GMOs at all cost.
Putin for all his faults actually does care about these issues in ways that the political puppets in the west do not. He is the only world leader who is taking a stand against GMO, Eugenics, Climate change, endless war..........Russia intelligence is following very closely the alternative media in America, they listen Alex Jones and are actively engage in the Information war. He knows about the use of fluoride in the water and chemicals in the food and is aware of what it is doing to people. Putin knows that the Climate change farce is simply a ploy of an agenda perpetrated by plutocrats to lord over and tax the worlds energy supply.
I was never claiming Putin is the paragon of righteousness, and so what if he is named after a french whore, there have been plenty of respectable whores in the world......anyway as someone who is intelligent and has vast access to all the dirty secrets of all the other dirty whores in the NWO , he can be of use to the truth movement.
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I apologize, it does sound patronizing when I read it now. I meant it in a more joking way.
I meant the word "putin" means whore in french. That's why we call him "Poutine" instead, to avoid confusion ;)
Maybe they're making all these claims about organic food promotion and getting rid of fluoride etc in order to attract people like you...
I mean, I would not trust the words of such a person. Very clever, yes, but truth speaker?
The article on agricultural chemicals does not say anything very specific.... Pesticides and chemicals can mean anything, I would like to know exactly what they are using, compared to the round up ready GMO of the US?
Well, it was just a very brief summary of a 29 pages report that costs 550€ to read in its whole... I honestly haven't looked that much into the matter. I'm personally not really interested in moving to such a country.
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I meant the word "putin" means whore in french. That's why we call him "Poutine" instead, to avoid confusion ;)
Ah yes, I recently read a whole Daily Mail article once about how the French media deliberately avoided confusing the Russian surname "Putin" with that old French word for "whore", "putain"! ??? :P -[ l) :o ;D
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I apologize, it does sound patronizing when I read it now. I meant it in a more joking way.
I meant the word "putin" means whore in french. That's why we call him "Poutine" instead, to avoid confusion ;)
Maybe they're making all these claims about organic food promotion and getting rid of fluoride etc in order to attract people like you...
I mean, I would not trust the words of such a person. Very clever, yes, but truth speaker?
How many truth speakers do you have in France? Just curious what your view is on France's lax immigration policy. Seems to me all of Europe is busy committing collective suicide with its immigration policies at the moment.
I won't say anymore because I don't want to offend you or anything.
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Apology accepted....
Maybe they're making all these claims about organic food promotion and getting rid of fluoride etc in order to attract people like you...
I mean, I would not trust the words of such a person. Very clever, yes, but truth speaker?
I take truth were I can find it, and on this side of the Atlantic there is nobody in positions of authority who is standing up on these issues like Putin....and none of the corporately run media networks, can hold a candle to what RT is doing for the truth movement. If the Russians are asking for intellectual and moral support against the likes of Monsanto, the endless wars, the global trade deal power grabs...etc, from the alternative minds of the west, then I say what other choice is there?
There are popular movements within Russia independent of central authority and the people are rejecting tGMO and the NWO it rides on......and as a true leader, Putin is speaking on behalf of the will and well being of the people of Russia in a way we haven't seen in America Since JFK.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCOeY726kuo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCOeY726kuo)
6 minuets in Keiser interviews a restaurant owner who speaks about the local foods movement in Russia.
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Russia is emerging as a world leader in Organic and unadulterated foods, then please present some evidence that isn't just rehashed propaganda from the cold war era.
This is totally untrue and I have plenty of evidence.
Russian economy is in the free fall. No country can be a leader in anything in situation like that. For most Russians primary goal is to get enough food, quality is secondary.
Evidence 1:
My distant relatives. They live in the big city and buy produce at the grocery store. Not even once they questioned where produce is coming from. They just don't care. I asked don't you want to go to the country side and get home grown meats and plant food? Their response was store bought food tastes as good to them why bother with something else. And everyone they know shops at the same store.
Evidence 2:
Most people live paycheck to paycheck and not only quality is not even secondary, it is not even a consideration. The question is how many times a month can I afford to buy any meat and any cheese. Elderly are especially affected. While at the train station I observed interesting moment. There were 2 old men sitting next to me waiting for their train. The wait was about 3-4 hours. So we went to the on-site cafe to get something to eat. I got liver, potatoes, and some salad for about $6. Those two got instant noodles for 60 cents.
Evidence 3:
This time we stayed in the small town and my dad's friend invited us for BBQ. Early afternoon all of us went to look for meat. One store did not have any. The other store had only chicken left and that's what we got. No question where it came from. That's the only thing they had and that's what we got. Most people in town shop at these stores because prices are much cheaper. Homegrown beef is only available very early in the morning at the wet market and it is very expensive.
Evidence 4:
Russia has shortage of beef. It always had for the last 100 years. Right now due to European/US sanctions Russia is importing beef from Argentina. And that's not organic beef. It is from the largest industrial farms. Here is a good read about beef situation http://www.rbcdaily.ru/industry/562949994199809 (http://www.rbcdaily.ru/industry/562949994199809)
Evidence 5:
Effort needed to find quality food. Here in the US I just google and I have many many options. Over there it is a different story. One time Yuri was complaining he cannot find good source. He would go to the market and ask people what do they feed their stock and the usual answer was grain. It took many many days of searching until he located a good and reliable source of grass-fed. And he makes enough to afford it. His brother on the other hand totally does not care about it. Only very determined will succeed and there are so few of them mostly due to the overall health attitude (see next point).
Evidence 6:
Overall health attitude. It is very low. Much much lower than in the US. It struck me how many people smoke. Anywhere you look there are smokers. Old, young, men, women. Then I remembered growing up that almost all my friends started smoking at about 12-14y. I met one of my childhood friends. His dad passed away at 60 from lung cancer. He was smoking all his life. And while he is telling me that he lights up a cigarette. And I'm thinking don't you get it, your dad died because of it and you are doing the same thing. Of course I did not say anything out loud. There is a reason why male life expectancy is around 65. I don't even want to bring up drinking.
Evidence 7:
Health attitude continues. Ecological situation in Russia is one of the worst in the world. Lookup Norilsk. It is the absolute worst place to live anywhere in the world. There are plenty of big cities where air pollution is horrible. Better than Norilsk but still just awful compared to the average industrial city in the US. Here is a list http://topmira.com/goroda-strany/item/47-samye-grjaznye-goroda-russia-2013 (http://topmira.com/goroda-strany/item/47-samye-grjaznye-goroda-russia-2013)
I remember the first time I visited Philippines, exhaust fumes hit you right in the face. Russia is just a little better in that regard but still terrible compared to Europe/US.
Is that enough or should I go on?
Of course not absolutely everything is gloom over there. In my opinion Russian bath in the country side is the best thing ever. There are definitely places where living is decent. But there are so few of them that it makes little difference overall. You have no idea how silly you look when you bring up these phantom leaderships. There is a reason why millions of people fled Russia in the last 20 years. Just last year 250,000 left.
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If the Russian economy is truly is bad as you say maybe it is time for the west to end our sanctions against them.
http://nationalinterest.org/feature/the-truth-about-sanctions-against-russia-14789?page=2 (http://nationalinterest.org/feature/the-truth-about-sanctions-against-russia-14789?page=2)
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It was never my intention to get into a pissing match....I never said the new Russia was the paragon of success...I agree many people in Russia Drink, Smoke, eat poorly, and dont care about any of these issues and regardless of what the central government does the masses who have lived that way for generations are not going to change over night. I am attempting to point out positive trends and encourage the kind of local food movements which are underway in Russia and many other parts of the world.
LIke I stated before every one the complaints against Russia could easily be applied to parts of America. For example I live in the state of Kentucky....
30 percent of the population smokes cigarettes,
A large portion drinks regularly,
There is an all out drug epidemic,
Many are on government welfare,
The medical system is corrupt to the core
Common core education is an Obomination
The big chain supermarkets supply the majority of the people with cheap processed foods,
There is no representation for the concerns of the poor in local government,
Our Dark lord of the Senate is working to hand over absolute war power to the Executive,
Should I go on.....?
Regardless of the faults of Government or the majority of the fallen people who make it up, be it in the USA or the countries of the former USSR, there are millions of people who do care deeply about these matters....Our state is dotted with small family farms, and there are many people who work hard to do everything they can to hold back the tide of stupidity and eek out a decent life....I know there must be a similar situation in Russia....It is for those small family farmers, and the newly awakened millennial generation that we should give our support and attention to.......
Its a free internet forum, so if one would like to continue to bash and bigot a nation of millions and place blame and judgment upon our fellow humans for things beyond their control, then help yourself.
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http://ecowatch.com/2015/12/09/russia-non-gmo-food/ (http://ecowatch.com/2015/12/09/russia-non-gmo-food/)
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LIke I stated before every one the complaints against Russia could easily be applied to parts of America
You just don't get it.
It is true, many parts of the US look very different in terms of income, lifestyle, political view, etc. Texas, NY, California, Seattle. They all different. They all have their own pluses and minuses.
If you knew anything about Russia you would know that you can categorize the whole country into two entities: Moscow/St Petersburg and everything else. Pick two spots on the map at random and lifestyle, political view, and for most parts income will be identical. The exception is far northern region where income is higher due to harsh climate.
The country is exceptionally homogeneous so your comparison is completely invalid.
I know there must be a similar situation in Russia
I'm sorry to tell you but you don't know jack about Russia. Your assumptions are taken out of thin air.
The country side is dying. Villages get abandoned by the hundreds.
Here is a partial list
https://urban3p.ru/category/cities/?country_id=1
It is for those small family farmers, and the newly awakened millennial generation that we should give our support and attention to.......
Small family farmers are more of an exception than the rule. And it is a dying breed. Like I said earlier go live there for 6 months and you will see it for yourself.
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Thanks YS for your first hand report about Russia.
I drove into Soviet Union (Moldavia and Ukraine) about 8 times in 1974-75 and I was terribly shocked to see a country where people were so incredibly poor and where time and progress seemed to have stopped around 1918.
I supposed things had improved after the perestroika and glasnost, but I learn from you that it hasn't much. So sad. :(
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Thanks for the first hand ground report, and forgive my impetuous optimism..... yes I am sure that much of the bleakness and negativity is real, but I insist that there is a larger context which is not a part of your analysis. Its easy to criticize as a tourist, but god forbid you walk a mile in their shoes...Spend 6 months living on minimum wage in Hazard Kentucky and I am sure you will find there are parts of Russia that wouldn't seem that bad by comparison....
Still there is much to the story that will never be told, but I think its important to discuss a little bit of history so we can see why things are the way they are...
Russia has been historically an entity onto itself, outside invaders have always worked to subvert and plunder, so they developed within the very soul of their culture a need for a strong man to hold back the chaos from within as well as the constant threats from the outside world. There is a whole set of circumstances which explains why Russia was never right for the Kind of Western democracy or enlightenment society to evolve. So judging Russia in comparison to the west is very unrealistic.
Dig a little deeper and you will see that the revolution was totally instigated from outsiders....The Great war funded by the banking dynasties of Europe forced a population of mostly farmers into fighting for their lives in the most brutal kind of war ever.... their nation was decimated and order was lost in the apocalyptic aftermath....the very same banking dynasties that funded both sides of the great war began to fund radicals within Russia to overthrow the Czars...then when the newly established Provencal government voted out the conspirators and was desperately attempting to regain order, Lenin was sent in with 5 MILLION DOLLARS of Capitalist gold and used it to seize control.
The beast of Russia couldn't ever be controlled entirely the way that other vassal states have been, but that was never the point of the occupation, the point was to destabilize, so to keep them weak and within their boarders, there was never an endgame.... Lenin was aware that things were not going well and that the results of the revolution were not to his ideals....but he was poisoned and another strong man took hold and with the soviet union in place, the failings of the imposed system had no way to possible correct itself...
Perestroika was a lie.... the Soviet Union fell and was immediately infiltrated by the foreign money interest. Corrupt oligarchs took huge amounts of money and resources from the former soviet states, and kept the economic situation from improving....until PUTIN came in, and with an understanding of what was actually happening, seized the private property of the oligarchs....only to find out that many were acting as fronts of western masters and how much of the wealth was already stolen...Like him or hate him there simply was no other choice but for a strong man to come in and clean house....and indeed he did turn things around and Russia began to recover to such an extent that it threatened the financial powers of the world enough that they began waging a preemptive all out economic and information war. This is not about human rights in the Ukraine, as much as it is about the Russian people saying no to Monsanto and refusing to deal with the criminal banking cartels of the west(wake up and smell the Hypocrisy)
If it wasn't for the economic warfare being waged against the people of Russia, there would indeed be a much better standard of living, and a remarkable rate of overall improvements across the board....Personally I think its stupid to think that if Russia somehow fails and continues to flounder as a developed nation, that somehow the world will be a better place....I see them as a vital part of the global civilization, as a creature which maintains balance within the force...They are the last bastion against the likes of Monsanto, the uni-polar war state, and the Too big to Jail banking syndicate....The EU is under siege with Gladio style psyops.... Monsanto is at the Gates...the TTIP of the iceberg is dead a head....and the Russian Bear is the most formidable allies of the truth movement, which is exposing all of these issues.
"I stuck around St. Petersburg
When I saw it was a time for a change
Killed the czar and his ministers
Anastasia screamed in vain"
Sympathy for the Devil
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Come on...You cannot believe that a man who, like the North Korean Presidential bloodline who manipulates the crowd into believing that there's not better leader than themselves with illusions and lies, is an ally, let alone a guide to the "truth movement". Putin is not a fighter of' and an alternative to the past communist dictators: he is one of them, in a capitalist democracy disguise.
The part about him getting one of the highest taekwondo rank without ever doing taekwondo should be enough to make you realize this. That's not the only fantasy he's made up to keep his fanclub going crazy. It's just the only one I really remember on top of my head.
Putin is as corrupt as the bankers & friends.
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Putin is useless for Russians unless they have a relative in the FSB. But they would be even worse off under the Americans. Putin once did a wonderful job on some of the various utterly corrupt oligarchs who rose under Yeltsin, even apparently making Berezovsky cry in one phone-call/plea to the Kremlin before the latter's suicide. Sadly, Putin is not on my good-guy list any more. His success against the Sunni fundamentalists in Syria has directly led to the current horrendously expensive migrant crisis in Europe, as Saudi Arabia and Qatar are not willing to take in refugees despite starting the whole bloody conflict in the first place. I can see that this is Putin's revenge on the West for imposing sanctions on Russia for the annexation of the old Russian Crimean province. Assad is laughing too - according to reports, he is not only driving out Sunnis militarily and importing Shiites from Lebanon and Iran, he is also deliberately encouraging any undesirable Sunnis in regime-controlled areas in Syria who want to leave the country via handing out cheap passports en-masse etc., and making it as hard as possible for such undesirables to return to Syria as well.Well, it seems that no government is the only good government. I blame it on the Neolithic era, before that all we had were tiny tribes of no more than c.200(?) people max.Nations, cities/governments etc/ are so unnatural.
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Primates walking upright was unnatural until we started doing it. In fact, we are so prone to knee and back problems precisely because we have not completely evolved to walk upright.
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GRRRRR......No sympathy for the devil.
The primary purpose for starting this discussion is to access the validity of Putin's proclamation to make Russia Food Independent and the number one producer of organic food in the world....I would think in this community I could find people who would appreciate such a lofty ambition....at least they are making an effort...I know cynically its for their own selfish reasons...organic produce will be at a premium once Europe falls to the TTIP and is forced to adopt the insanely genocidal agricultural practices of the United States....so what. I say lets stand back and give the country 5 years to see if they can get it together...
Come on...You cannot believe that a man who, like the North Korean Presidential bloodline who manipulates the crowd into believing that there's not better leader than themselves with illusions and lies, is an ally, let alone a guide to the "truth movement". Putin is not a fighter of' and an alternative to the past communist dictators: he is one of them, in a capitalist democracy disguise.
The part about him getting one of the highest taekwondo rank without ever doing taekwondo should be enough to make you realize this. That's not the only fantasy he's made up to keep his fanclub going crazy. It's just the only one I really remember on top of my head.
Putin is as corrupt as the bankers & friends.
Putin Bashing is fun and easy to do, but not very constructive...and I guess neither is Putin worshiping....But for the love of humanity I do not blame the Russian people for wanting to believe in their leader...after years of embarrassment with the previous slew of cronies....he is a pivotal figure and could give the people HOPE AND CHANGE....so what if the people think he is the Chuck Norris of the Asian Continent.
Is Corruption relative? can you even begin to compare the level of corruption between the Machiavellian leaders of the west, and the New guard of the land of iron curtains? How can we even know what to believe when considering the degree of secrecy that all government is engaged in? The answers my friend is blowing in the wind....
I still have a strong feeling the Russians can be an asset to the truth movement....The resistance of people working for their own selfish ends, regardless of how futile their lives are portrayed to be, are a bulwark against the Borgs and the Zorgs which are swallowing up whats left of the free world...
Russia State media has allied itself with the alternative media of the west and have managed to produce some much more convincing propaganda, than the overt tripe and irrelevant drivel many Americans have been force fed their entire lives.
Do people understand that In America Under the patriot act the media networks are not allowed to do negative reporting on corporations....the media is not allowed to report of the factory farms...Monsanto has an act of congress which gives them total free reign to do as it please..... while people like myself are not allowed to share stories of alternative healing through the mainstream channels(I am beginning to feel like the Network told the doctors NO, and the local news reporter hasn't gotten back with me)
Anyway, back to the mission of maintaining a positive outlook..... the frustrations of trudging through misunderstandings , brought up in these discussions are helpful developing higher levels of understanding and enables the hacking out the Memes which will transform our world....
As the saying goes "No standing army can stop a Meme whose time has come"
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Primates walking upright was unnatural until we started doing it. In fact, we are so prone to knee and back problems precisely because we have not completely evolved to walk upright.
Hmm, I recall coming across this claim before and did not question it as it seemed reasonable , but random googling shows it is not quite the case.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/03/080320-biped-ancestor.html (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/03/080320-biped-ancestor.html)
http://www.world-science.net/othernews/070531_bipedalism.htm (http://www.world-science.net/othernews/070531_bipedalism.htm)
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2007/05/walk-orangutan (http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2007/05/walk-orangutan)
That is, bipedalism appears to have started to evolve in the primates millions of years before the advent of hominids, indeed likely well before hominids left the trees for the ground, and apparently this conveyed a major evolutionary advantage as regards better foraging ability etc.. So it is quite natural as regards evolution. I would also suspect that we are almost wholly adapted already since the only disadvantages are back-aches, knee-issues and(I vaguely recall?) more difficulty giving birth compared to non-bipedal mammals.
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This article suggests differently:-
http://rbth.com/business/2015/03/25/sanctions_boost_russian_organic_food_production_44629.html (http://rbth.com/business/2015/03/25/sanctions_boost_russian_organic_food_production_44629.html)
Sometimes one never knows what to believe in the media. If I recall my past visit to the Ukraine in the 1990s, the situation was then much like ys describes. On the other hand, maybe sanctions are forcing a boost in domestic food production of some sort?
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Here in the USA almost 1/3 of adults are out of the work force and food stamps are at an all time high. So it is not like the west is booming or anything.
Interview: Russian General details the structure of New World Order
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4r29jXto28 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4r29jXto28)
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"What they Feared is an understanding between the USA and the USSR"
The General makes some interesting points....He gives me the feeling that the internet conspiracy theories of the western alternative media have infected the minds of many of the highest ranking individuals in Russian political sphere, the two sides of the world are beginning to be able to understand each other in a way that has never before been possible. There is still a huge language barrier, and the cold war era brainwashing will take a new generation free of the old world view, to completely tear down these walls that divide the people from the two sides of world. This wall was constructed by slaves whom were so hopelessly enslaved that they lived their entire lives falsely believing themselves free. Great walls and iron curtains have been used to keep the masses on both sides in their place. By imposing the eternal threats of mutually assured destruction by the other, we have all been blinded by MAD-ness.
The walls are crumbling and I say let us continue to chip away at the foundation of the old world view built by the enslaved minds of men long since dead....Ideas are more powerful than standing armies...The old cronies of Russia are wise to the dirty old tricks of the spy vs spy era, any overt attempt by the west to interfere with their political structuring will meet strong resistance...But the Gatekeepers on both sides of the great divide are in many ways unprepared for the title wave of raw truth being espoused by the liberated voices of the alternative media...whose messages know no boundaries, and is a force in and of itself.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psGXgF8dCQI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psGXgF8dCQI)
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.Spend 6 months living on minimum wage in Hazard Kentucky and I am sure you will find there are parts of Russia that wouldn't seem that bad by comparison...
LOL. Dude, you have no idea where I've been and what I have seen and where I lived.
Your Hazard Kentucky would be a paradise compared to where I came from.
Do people in Hazard have running water? Do they have hot water? Can they take shower daily? When they go to the store do they see empty shelves? Can they buy toilet paper?
I grew up in the small town pop 30,000. My family finally got a one-bedroom apartment for 5 of us on the 5th floor and no elevator. The pumps in the water tower were not powerful enough and we would get water only at night. So we would fill up bath tub at night and use that water during the day for cooking, washing hands, and flushing toilet with a bucket. Every weekend we would go to public bath to wash ourselves. The bath house had long stone benches, you would pick up zinc basin, fill it up with water, put it on the bench and wash yourself. Bath house had an old, dark, and dirty sauna but it was the highlight of the bath trip. I still miss russian sauna.
We had black and white TV with 2 channels and that was in 80s. How many TV channels you had in Hazard in the 80s?
We used newspapers and magazines because toilet paper was never to be found in the whole town. Could you buy toilet paper in Hazard in the 80's?
People had to travel several hours to the nearest big city to get most of the goods, clothing, and food such as sausage and fish. There was decent fresh food at the wet market but it was very expensive and we could only buy small amounts every week.
The school had a single bathroom outside. It was just wide open concrete slab with 5-6 holes in it. The sight and smell was something else, esp in the winter where you had to be very careful not to slip on the yellow ice and not step on the piles of shit. Have you had such a gem in Hazard?
So we lived like this for 12 years. And it was considered decent because smaller towns or villages had it much worse. Iguana is absolutely correct. The country side was developing painfully slow and looked dilapidated almost everywhere. It was everyone's dream to get out of this shit hole and relocate to a bigger city preferably Moscow or St. Petersburg. But we did not have much freedom of movement. It was incredibly difficult to change towns. You could not register your new address unless you had a work in the new town. And you could not get a work in the new town unless you register your address there.
We got lucky and moved to the US in 92. We had no money and spoke no language. Immediately we went to work for a minimum wage (4.25/h I still remember) during the day and in the evening we studied. And you telling me about Hazard. Can we stop this conversation now?
Of course it gotten much better since 80's and 90's but people have good memories and up to this day given the chance would trade countryside for a big city without much hesitation. That's why there is no such thing as small family farmers in Russia. I am not saying they do not exist, they do, it's just there is so few of them that fact can be safely ignored.
Iguana,
It was really brutal starting around 88, 89, and all throughout 90s. Starting with 2000 it gotten much better due to high oil and natural gas prices. The peak of "prosperity" came around 2007. But thanks to the imbecile Putin the country is plowing right back towards 90s.
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It is interesting to read your experience and knowledge of Russia, Thank you for sharing... But why does it matter how poor or how rich Russia is? Germany had really great technology under the rule of Hitler. Material wealth is irrelevant to how moral a society is.
Say what you will about Russia, but at the very least you can say they are not actively funding and supporting ISIS and Islamic terrorism unlike the west.
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Say what you will about Russia, but at the very least you can say they are not actively funding and supporting ISIS and Islamic terrorism unlike the west.
Let's leave this to another thread. The topic is Family/Organic farming in Russia.
On the other hand, maybe sanctions are forcing a boost in domestic food production of some sort?
I will explain. Organic farming is very limited and it will stay limited because there are very few people who are health conscious to drive the demand. At best the sanctions will result in several big industrial farms using typical industrial pesticides and fertilizers. Nothing more. When there is shortage of produce no one gives a shit if it is not organic. Grow this much volume of food as quickly as possible, make it affordable for people, fill up the shelves, and hope it does not end up with unrest.
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ys, I've driven through Hazzard and surrounding areas, and lived within 100 miles of there my whole life. Plenty of people in Hazzard don't have hot water, running water, etc.. It's actually very similar to where you grew up, in terms of poverty. However, Hazzard and a few other places in Appalachia (and inner cities, etc.) are as bad as it gets in the US. Most places are obviously much better off.
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My mother grew up in a town poorer than many of the poor of hazard and the house where she lived with her 5 siblings my great grandparents , and grandmother didn't have indoor plumping until the 1990s, yet when ever I would go visit as a child I noticed that they were happy people and lived good lives. My grandmother told me of growing up in a cabin her grandfather built, and of how she never even knew she was poor because there was nothing to compare their conditions to.... I am a critic of the idea that somehow life got better for our family by moving to the mini metropolis of Lexington...the standard of living increase seemed to directly coincide with a loss of over all health and happiness in my mothers generation.
The exodus from the country side to the city has been just as detrimental to family farms in America as they have been in Russia...Once the interstate went in my mothers home town died, the lumber mill closed, and most of the people left... The money is aggregated to the city and like moths to a flame the people go...only recently has there been a move for a small minority of brave souls to leave Babylon and return to the land... This trend is very small in the grand scheme of things and would go unnoticed by most...I am only aware of it because of my own personal quest for Paleo Quality foods.
To me many of these comparisons between two different worlds can be as harmful as helpful, because we never know for sure what the experience of others truly is....compassion and the understanding that there are some things we will never understand is much more helpful in cultivating acceptance and peace of mind for the things we cant change, and the wisdom to know of the things we can actually do something about.
I will explain. Organic farming is very limited and it will stay limited because there are very few people who are health conscious to drive the demand. At best the sanctions will result in several big industrial farms using typical industrial pesticides and fertilizers. Nothing more. When there is shortage of produce no one gives a shit if it is not organic. Grow this much volume of food as quickly as possible, make it affordable for people, fill up the shelves, and hope it does not end up with unrest.
Come off it, You cant know this for sure.
One of the primary incentives for the new policies of the Russian government to encourage ecologically grown foods is money....in the next few years as more people awaken to the benefits of more ecologically grown foods there will be a huge increase in demand, which if Russia is able to expand their production of Organics, they will be able to make very good economic gain....Demand already exceeds supply, so I do not see why there will not be an effort to increase production of NON GMOs that can be sold for a much higher price.
The fact that most people dont care about ecologically sound food, is a defeatist attitude, which presupposes that things will never change...but people are capable of change and all it would take is an enlightened faction within the New guard to encourage the people toward these trends and like wild fire these ideas will spread, and the next generation will be demanding the kind of changes that we would want to see in the world.
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On a more or less related thread, I have been studying the school of life, there are some thought provoking animated shorts, and this clip goes to the heart of the divide between the old world and new world view of money and democracy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rzr3AOtFA8o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rzr3AOtFA8o)
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I had always thought that "Hazzard County, Georgia" was only a fictional county derived from one of the favourite TV series of my childhood. It seems that, on checking, there is only one "Hazard Town" in the US albeit with only one "z" and in Kentucky, sadly, but CK's Freudian slip "Hazzard" made me laugh in recollection. I suppose, sadly, that the TV show bore no similiarity whatsoever to what it was really like in Georgia, let alone Hazard County, Kentucky....
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Although a fictional program, characters from "The Dukes of hazzard" and much of the plot were based on truish stories from Appalachia. Kentucky was full of Boss Hogg style corruption, moon shine runners, beautiful home grown Daisies and plenty of good ol boys never meaning no harm..and to this day, still is in some ways... On some level those colorful country people forgotten by the big wide world world, may not be that much different from the Boss oligarchs, vodka brewers, beautiful Russian Daisies and good ol comrades of the Taiga
Typical example of the Boss Hogg Corruption which continues to this day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iO4gPCpws60 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iO4gPCpws60)
A Notable fun fact. The actor Sorrell Booke which played Boss Hogg regularly ate Raw liver to help him get into the role.
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Roscoe P. Coltrane!
50% of 50% of 50%!
Making their waaaaay, the only way they know how...
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My great-grandfather was a liquor-runner in Surry County, NC back when it was a dry county. I'm not sure he ever earned an honest dollar.
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A great deal of my family fits those "you must be a redneck if..." jokes.
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Making their waaaaay, the only way they know how...
Thats just a little more than the law would allow...
A lot of people from our part of the world come from a long line of honorable criminals. Redneck culture is still strong with many of my kinfolk.
My Great great grandfather "Ol Daddy" made a living making Moonshine and Medicinal Wines with elderberry during prohibition...My Granny told me about a great many many of his exploits.... During prohibition people would come all the way from Indiana to buy his stuff.....The first time she ever saw a car and black people she was four years old and a group of black Men drove out to pick up some of her Granddaddy's home brew.
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An other underlying sub-current of this thread is the notion that "The American Cowboy" is a dying breed....this trend is not just about the Ranchers on the open range being run off by the BLM and replaced by Big Agra ....its the spirit of rugged individualism that is dying from all across the Land of America, and as a result of globalization and collectivism is in decline in many other places all over the world. The people that once were able to survive amidst the Boss Hogg corruption and live free and proud without the support and the strings attached of a welfare nanny state, are gone with the wind.
Now there is an emasculated culture spreading across the world like wild fire, most people have never even seen a Bull, let alone try to rope and ride one...Everyone now days eats castrated animals and are represented by castrated leaders. There is no difference between the emasculation and submission of people in the GEO political environment, and that of the domestication and confinement of the people within their local reservational environments. One of the reasons Geronimo left the reservation was because they wouldn't let him Raise Beef cattle....now the US government is making it virtually impossible for the average american to afford quality beef, and now that the entire continent has been taken over by the Federal Reservation, there is no where for the spirit of Geronimo to Run.
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Thats just a little more than the law would allow...
A lot of people from our part of the world come from a long line of honorable criminals. Redneck culture is still strong with many of my kinfolk.
My Great great grandfather "Ol Daddy" made a living making Moonshine and Medicinal Wines with elderberry during prohibition...My Granny told me about a great many many of his exploits.... During prohibition people would come all the way from Indiana to buy his stuff.....The first time she ever saw a car and black people she was four years old and a group of black Men drove out to pick up some of her Granddaddy's home brew.
We're probably frightening the Norrherners.
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ys, I've driven through Hazzard and surrounding areas, and lived within 100 miles of there my whole life. Plenty of people in Hazzard don't have hot water, running water, etc..
Is this picture from wiki real?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hazard_main2006.jpg
If so, it looks like a resort town according to russian standards.
One of the primary incentives for the new policies of the Russian government to encourage ecologically grown foods is money....in the next few years as more people awaken to the benefits of more ecologically grown foods there will be a huge increase in demand, which if Russia is able to expand their production of Organics, they will be able to make very good economic gain....Demand already exceeds supply, so I do not see why there will not be an effort to increase production of NON GMOs that can be sold for a much higher price.
Where are you getting this stuff from? Anyone told you? Or are you just making this up after reading some articles?
You must be living in another reality.
All of this is ridiculous as ridiculous can get.
Even conventionally raised meat is expensive by today's standards. Only wealthy can afford truly organic stuff. Average salary is $350 a month. And if oil prices do not go recover we'll see $150 average salary in two years and today's tiny demand for organic produce will be virtually wiped out.
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Is this picture from wiki real?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hazard_main2006.jpg
If so, it looks like a resort town according to russian standards.
Where are you getting this stuff from? Anyone told you? Or are you just making this up after reading some articles?
You must be living in another reality.
All of this is ridiculous as ridiculous can get.
Even conventionally raised meat is expensive by today's standards. Only wealthy can afford truly organic stuff. Average salary is $350 a month. And if oil prices do not go recover we'll see $150 average salary in two years and today's tiny demand for organic produce will be virtually wiped out.
That's downtown. The living conditions up in the hills out in the rural areas are 3rd-World bad. No running water, etc..
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Well, it's good to hear that moonshine-running like in the movie "Thunder Road" etc. was the norm in the Deep South at one time- which is so very individualist-anarchist in spirit ;D . Wish it were still like that, but I suppose the Feds have by now cracked down on all that ever since Ruby Ridge and other odious incidents against US militias. So what are the other Deep South cliches besides moonshine-running?
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That's downtown. The living conditions up in the hills out in the rural areas are 3rd-World bad. No running water, etc..
I now live in Lexington which is one of the wealthiest cities in the state, but even here there is poverty. On one side of the tracks there are gated subdivisions with half million dollar homes, and on the other side there are shot gun shacks and ghetto thugs. I grew up in the working class waste lands right in between the two extremes, having to go to school with rich kids who shunned me for being poor, and ghetto kids who were filled with hate and resentment...I was made fun off for being poor and grew up thinking of myself as poor...I found that even though I had more material comforts than many of the worlds most impoverished people, by comparison to many of my peers I was lower class.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3_h_fyc9V0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3_h_fyc9V0)
These integrated societies of the haves and have nots in America, create a situation of structural violence that leads many of the people both rich and poor to be much less happy in general than other in places where everyone is equally poor( as long as their basic needs are met). The standard of living may be sufficient, but somehow people growing up amidst such great inequity are suffering from a different form of poverty. Their bellies may be full but their spirits are empty.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bs5xP6NP5_M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bs5xP6NP5_M)
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hmm.
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Well, it's good to hear that moonshine-running like in the movie "Thunder Road" etc. was the norm in the Deep South at one time- which is so very individualist-anarchist in spirit ;D . Wish it were still like that, but I suppose the Feds have by now cracked down on all that ever since Ruby Ridge and other odious incidents against US militias. So what are the other Deep South cliches besides moonshine-running?
Many cliches, but Southerners have been oppressed by the British/French/German ruling classes for millennia, first in Europe, now in the US. Some of the stereotypes are pretty accurate, but there are exceptions. Certainly I get stereotyped for my Southern accent as an ignorant hick. Meanwhile, I'm better informed about nutrition than 99.9999% of the human race. LOL So there are huge exceptions to the rules.
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These integrated societies of the haves and have nots in America, create a situation of structural violence that leads many of the people both rich and poor to be much less happy in general than other in places where everyone is equally poor( as long as their basic needs are met).
There is no such thing where everyone is equally poor anymore.
It was more or less true in Soviet Union and to some extent in Eastern Europe way back.
The only current exception I can think of is N. Korea.
Everywhere else on this globe, pick any medium-sized town, and there will be areas of upscale neighborhoods. Then, even in the trashiest places, there are numerous business owners, local government officials, and local crime bosses who are much better off than everyone else. Inequality in the 3rd world is much more pronounced than in US or Europe. As soon as someone gets a little ahead they are immediately showing it off. Flashy designer clothing, latest smartphones and other gadgets, cars, etc. There is such a drive to look well off that many people borrow money just so they can buy the latest iphone to show it off. I am very familiar with Russian and Filipino cultures and in this regards the two are exactly the same. Since Russia and Philippines are typical 3rd world countries, I am sure everywhere else is the same way.
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YS:
Inequality in the 3rd world is much more pronounced because the USA and Europe are looting the wealth of other countries through war and financial tyranny. Do you have anything intelligent to say that doesn't elevate yourself above an entire culture or alienate half of the population?
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Sorry if I sounded hostile there, I was in a bad mood I guess. Nothing personal.
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Inequality in the 3rd world is much more pronounced because the USA and Europe are looting the wealth of other countries through war and financial tyranny.
I don't think you read my previous post. You are bringing up politics into cultural discussion is completely irrelevant.
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Well, when you label Russia as a 3rd world country and act like they are the biggest evil in the world then it is hard to take your opinions on Russia 100% seriously. I do appreciate your intellectual knowledge of Russia but your opinions seem completely heartless.
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http://yournewswire.com/putin-human-evolution-under-threat-by-big-pharma-gmo-vaccines/ (http://yournewswire.com/putin-human-evolution-under-threat-by-big-pharma-gmo-vaccines/)
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http://yournewswire.com/putin-human-evolution-under-threat-by-big-pharma-gmo-vaccines/ (http://yournewswire.com/putin-human-evolution-under-threat-by-big-pharma-gmo-vaccines/)
Sounds like some clickbait story. The article doesn't have a source. Could be genuine though.
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Ok, other more serious looking websites are telling the same story, so Putin probably said that.
Yeah, I don't trust the ones that have those "secret cure to diabetes doctors don't wan't you to find out" ads :P
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/russia-to-ban-genetically-modified-organisms-in-food-production/531823.html (http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/russia-to-ban-genetically-modified-organisms-in-food-production/531823.html)
Hey GS, you're going to like this one:
http://www.thestar.com/sports/sochi2014/2014/01/19/sochi_2014_vladimir_putin_says_russia_needs_to_cleanse_itself_of_homosexuality.html (http://www.thestar.com/sports/sochi2014/2014/01/19/sochi_2014_vladimir_putin_says_russia_needs_to_cleanse_itself_of_homosexuality.html)
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Yeah, I don't trust the ones that have those "secret cure to diabetes doctors don't wan't you to find out" ads :P
God I hated those ads in american alternative health magazines etc. in the 1990s, when I was still severely ill. They would inevitably offer their 100% cure-alls for "just 199 dollars 99 cents etc." with multiple extra "FREE Info-Packs", overall reduced, of course l) , from 1000 etc. US dollars, and would inevitably state that we should buy this before the evil tyrannical US government clamped down on this product, and even better within 48 hours before the sale ended. Needless to say, big pharma was behind those very ads. Then there were those ads, marketed bizarrely at non-Americans as well, with aajonus-style hokum about the pristine Native American Indians, their supposed "love of Nature" and their supposed fond belief in the relevant product being sold.
Hey GS, you're going to like this one:
http://www.thestar.com/sports/sochi2014/2014/01/19/sochi_2014_vladimir_putin_says_russia_needs_to_cleanse_itself_of_homosexuality.html (http://www.thestar.com/sports/sochi2014/2014/01/19/sochi_2014_vladimir_putin_says_russia_needs_to_cleanse_itself_of_homosexuality.html)
Considering that now so many lesbians are having children with heterosexuals more and more remaining childless, it is a bit absurd to suggest that homosexuality would drive down the birth-rate. Putin reminds me of the story of King Canute and the rising tide....
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I always try to encouge people to judge the message and not the messenger, no matter what the media.... I remember years ago when I was ill and there was a large alternative health movement emerging, which was heavily aligned with the early manifestations of the truth movement. The Robert Scott Bell radio show played on local talk stations and he would rail against the Medical establishment. He was entirely right about the criticism of the corruption in the established medical science racket....but in many ways was still blind in the way they pushed largely ineffective nutra-ceutical products on their show. This was before I ever had any exposure to the internet media and regardless of the false solutions presented by the host, I remember it was the first time I was exposed to such radical thinking.
The station was a terrestrial talk radio outlet for pompous ass hats like Rush Limbaugh, Sean Humanity, and Michael savage, but for an hour every Sunday I would listen to Robert Scott Bell and his guest. His show for the first time explained to me the corruption of the Federal Reserve Monetary system...it is ironic to think about how on a mainstream station headlined by juggernauts in the realm of the talking head cabal, somehow managed to broadcast some raw and unfiltered truths which inspired an inquisitive mind to seek out higher truths.
The show was only broadcast for a few years before the station went under, and what mainstream drivel I have found on terrestrial radio since doesn't hold a candle to the kind of material that we all take for granted on the internet. Sadly, though there are growing numbers individual nodes connecting through the web through independent channels and has begun a great awakening, there are the masses which are lagging behind, chained to the dinosaur media. A majority of people continue to informed primarily through mainstream channels which deliberately censor and leave out the profound and often off the cuff proclamations of world leaders such as Trump or Putin, as well as ignoring entirely insights from learned people who participate in these global forums.
The interpretation and reporting of such outside the box material though covered in alternative media much better than in the mainstream, is still spun and misconstrued by the alternative channels, in a ways that can hinder the development of transnational populist uprisings. There still are many great logistical hurdles which prevent the people of the free world from uniting across all national boundaries to oppose the monolithic conspiracy of which JFK had warned.