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Raw Paleo Diet Forums => General Discussion => Topic started by: lex_rooker on June 18, 2008, 01:26:03 am
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About a year ago I started waking up with cramps in my calf muscels. I added a bit of salt to my diet (about 1g-2g per day) and the problem
cleared up.
A bit over 2 weeks ago I transistioned from a diet of 68% calories from fat/32% calories from protein/zero calories from carbohydrate, to 80%
Fat/20% Protein/Zero Carbohydrate. I continued to use the same amount of salt.
For the last 2 nights I've been awakened by severe cramps in my right leg. On one night it happened twice -once about 3am and again about
5am.
Any clue what might be going on here?
Lex
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Are they the same type of cramps as before; do they feel the same? Also is anything else different other than your fat/protein ratio?
Really I have no idea how less protein and more fat could cause cramps, but perhaps it's something to do with a drop in your BG from less protein?
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The cramps are the same as before. Since this did happen even on the lower fat diet, it could be a deficiency in some nutrient or other. A deficiency can take years to show up as the body depletes its reserves. I really don't know but this is a possibility. I've been following this way of eating now for about 3 years and everything has been fine up to this point. I hesitate to take any supplements as I don't know what to take. I've been told that a magnesium defence often causes leg cramps, but then I'm not sure that this is much more that speculation at this point.
Lex
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About a year ago I started waking up with cramps in my calf muscels. I added a bit of salt to my diet (about 1g-2g per day) and the problem
cleared up.
A bit over 2 weeks ago I transistioned from a diet of 68% calories from fat/32% calories from protein/zero calories from carbohydrate, to 80%
Fat/20% Protein/Zero Carbohydrate. I continued to use the same amount of salt.
For the last 2 nights I've been awakened by severe cramps in my right leg. On one night it happened twice -once about 3am and again about
5am.
Any clue what might be going on here?
Lex
I have no idea why the leg cramps would come back switching to higher percentage of fat, but nighttime cramps are a symptom of mineral imbalances of the calcium and magnesium variety. You may want to look at how those ratios have changed with your new eating plan. It could be something else, of course, but that's a very common cause for such wake-up ache-ups. Here's a bit on it:
http://www.bodyandfitness.com/Information/Health/legcramp.htm
Beef is high in magnesium. Are you eating enough food? I'll have to go review your amounts again over in the other thread.
Good luck in determining and solving the problem. Messed up sleep makes for a cranky day.
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Satya,
The calories are the same at about 2,000/day, but the amount in grams has dropped from 850g/day to 650g/day. My guess is that the fat carries very little in the way of minerals though it may have some fat soluble vitamins, and that the lean portion of the meat is what carries most of the minerals. The original amount of protein which would come from the lean was 145g/day but has dropped to about 90g/day on the new mix.
My concern with this being a mineral deficiency is that if an 80% of calories fat based diet is optimum for us, and I'm eating raw meat and fat from grassfed animals so little in the way of nutrients is being destroyed by cooking etc, then why am I seeing this deficiency? This may point to the need for some plant based food like berries that would have been available to our ancestors.
I'm working on the Pemmican Manual and in my research I've read where the Native Indians put a small % of dried berries in their pemmican - say 5% by weight or so. Some say that this was only done to "meet European tastes" for the pemmican they sold to the Hudson Bay Company (which was many thousands of pounds per year), but that their own pemmican was just meat and fat alone. Based on my current experience, I'm not so sure. Possibly those berries were in there for a reason and it is the berries that made pemmican a complete food.
Do you or Craig include any small amount of plant based foods in your current diet?
Lex
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My experience,
My diet has improved 100% compared to 3 years ago when I didn't give a damn about diet I ate junk food and binged drank! Now I eat really well (RVAF and now RAF) and I don't think i've had any improvement in cramps.
The body really is a mystery. I can live with cramps for now.
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What is it with the cramps you guys have? It's been my teen years since I had the nightly calf cramps. Can you try whole fish or something? You don't eat fish, Andrew, I think I remember reading. Hmm, what to do about that?
BTW, Lex, I am an omnivore, always have been. I am increasingly carnivorous; but give me salad greens, tomatoes and avocado or give me death! At least for now. I am flexible and open-minded about the whole thing and do learn so much from you rpd elders.
Re pemmican. Weston Price found the Inuit natives drying berries in isolation from Europeans, so they must eat some plants. It would make sense in a harsh climate to preserve what food you can in summer for use. It would be use like a condiment probably, but variety in foods might be a good thing for nutrient assurance. Seaweed has been important for many groups as well.
What does The Craig have to say about all this? Is he still in computer woedom?
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My concern with this being a mineral deficiency is that if an 80% of calories fat based diet is optimum for us, and I'm eating raw meat and fat from grassfed animals so little in the way of nutrients is being destroyed by cooking etc, then why am I seeing this deficiency? This may point to the need for some plant based food like berries that would have been available to our ancestors.
Ah, but who says 80/20 fat/protein is ideal? Some guru? And maybe it is an individual or seasonal thing. I don't think the natives were so hung up on ratios. However, I have read that they would become very nervous when the animals available to hunt were lean for a time.
I'm working on the Pemmican Manual and in my research I've read where the Native Indians put a small % of dried berries in their pemmican - say 5% by weight or so. Some say that this was only done to "meet European tastes" for the pemmican they sold to the Hudson Bay Company (which was many thousands of pounds per year), but that their own pemmican was just meat and fat alone. Based on my current experience, I'm not so sure. Possibly those berries were in there for a reason and it is the berries that made pemmican a complete food.
The Pemmican Manual. I am waiting patiently for this one. Thank you so much for this contribution, Lex. You know, we have such a great community here. I am so grateful for all of you!
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Very seldom do I eat plant matter but I do (and I keep forgetting this potentially very important fact) conusme Azomite clay. http://azomite.com/typical_analysis.html
Some native peoples actually eat dirt as some animals do. Azomite was recommended in Nourishing Traditions as a less costly alternative to "edible" clays on the market. I still have a lot of it left. When Azomite was selling it on their own site, I got a 40# bag for about $40. Now it looks like you have to get it from their distributors.
Craig
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Craig,
Looks like Azomite can be ordered on line. 44# now costs about $60 which is not all that bad. I expect it should last a long time. How much to you take and how often?
Lex
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Craig,
Looks like Azomite can be ordered on line. 44# now costs about $60 which is not all that bad. I expect it should last a long time. How much to you take and how often?
Lex
Lex,
I take about a heaping tablespoon dissolved in mineral water on the days I remember - usually two to three times a week.
Craig
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I use edible French Green Clay, but only once every 6 months or so, as it no longer seems to induce detox, now that my body's cleaner than before.
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Lex, perhaps it is the lack of minerals in your water?
Yes, fat is part of a healthy diet - but was this always 80%? I feel like a victim, when I "must" eat super high fat or what ever.
A nother thought; before, when you had more protein you did not think of berrys and now on less protein you are looking for a way to "replace" what is now missing.
Our mind is what carrys us threw life - peace of mind: Lex, I am shore you will work things out to suet you. You are not the victim of any doctor.
Nicola
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I love it! intended or.... unintended :)
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Lex, perhaps it is the lack of minerals in your water?
A nother thought; before, when you had more protein you did not think of berries and now on less protein you are looking for a way to "replace" what is now missing.
Nicola,
My experience is that we all tend to look at the short term to find the cause of our troubles. Many nutrient deficiency problems don't show up for months or years because the body is so efficient at storing critical nutrients. I don't believe that my cramps have anything at all to do with the short term dietary change I've made from 68% fat to 80% in my diet. If you will remember, I had a bout of leg cramps some months back and seemed to solve that by adding a bit of salt to my diet. If it is a deficiency, then it is most likely from a shortage of elements that have been missing since I started this all meat adventure a few years ago. My assumption is that my body has just run out of it stored reserves. Again this is just a guess.
Also remember that for most of this time I had been drinking water with no mineral content at all and this could be a major contributor to the problem. Based on past discussions you and I have had, I decided to go back to drinking regular well water but this change was just made rather recently. If there is a mineral deficiency then I may need to supplement for a while to build things back up to normal levels, and then the mineralized water could be enough to maintain things.
I've made the point before that I'm not a purist who holds onto some supposedly perfect diet even when it is clear that something is not proper. I did that years ago when I went vegan and my overall health suffered for it. I'm much more interested in what works. If it becomes clear to me that eating meat alone is not a good long term strategy then I will do what is necessary to correct the problem. If it means adding a few grams of fruits or vegetables per day, or a bit of mineral clay to my diet then that is what I will do. It's not about some theoretical perfect diet, it's about what works in the real world.
The all meat diet is just an adventure I embarked on after I read Steffansson's articles. I thought I'd give it a try to see if it could truly be done. For the most part it has been successful and I like the results so I've stuck with it. I'm now doing an experiment to see if I find a difference when adjusting the relative proportions of Fat and Protein. It's just a side trip on the main adventure that is helping me to understand more about how my body works.
I won't be making any changes to my new and improved 80% fat diet for at least another 4-6 weeks. I have my annual blood test coming up in July and I want to see the results (which I will report here) before I determine what to do next.
Lex
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From "AllExperts, Special Diets", TylerDurden (I hope you don't mind...)
Montmorillonite clay/Intestinal bacteria
QUESTION: Hi, on Aajonus' that eating moist clay helps build intestinal bacteria...i have noticed that when i add montmorillonite clay to still water outside, the mosquito larvae that normally inhabit these areas, can't survive..so i wonder if that translates in humans to killing off intestinal bacteria, rather than supporting growth? I take it myself and can't decide how i feel about the effects. Any ideas on this? Terramin from California Earth Minerals is the clay...its supposed to be good for detox. Thanks for your thoughts, Sarah
ANSWER: Well, from what I understand, clay does kill off bacteria(even good bacteria), so it's really not a good idea to use it a lot. Aajonus' other recommendation (ie bacteria-rich "high-meat") might well be useful in bolstering the body with good bacteria if you want to use the clay regularly in the long-term.
I would therefore recommend using the clay only from time to time, to be safe. My own experience(re "edible French Green Clay") seems to indicate that short-term use of clay is beneficial, whereas I haven't seen any benefit from using it frequently, to be honest.
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I don't mind my own material being used on this forum.
As regards leg cramps, these usually are related to magnesium-deficiency, though I think a lack other minerals can cause similiar trouble(sodium, potassium and calcium, apparently) -oh, and a lack of vitamin B1. Since Lex isn't consuming magnesium-depleting raw dairy, there may be some mineral deficiency in the soil on which his beef-cattle are fed on?
I would personally recommend going in for a much wider variety of raw animal food, first, before trying raw carbs, as the former will be more nutrient-dense. I have to admit I was extremely wary when I read that Lex only/mostly ate raw beef(albeit likely of higher quality than my own grassfed beef, here in the UK). My own solution was to go in for raw wild hare or raw wildcaught oysters/wild mallard duck etc. etc.so as to ensure no deficiency would appear.
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TO LEX, you're like a super eating guru for me and all my other friends here in this forum. i'm just wondering, have you ever try wheat grass in empty stomach? i grow two trays a week. even in winter, i take these trays outside some part of the day to give them real sunlight. it is very different that any other stores. and for god sake, it is so divine...
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i couldn't finish the post, b/c my toddler woke up. lex, it is possible that leg cramps issue doesn't related with your almost perfect diet. this goes probably beyond the proper diet... i mean, your marital status, the pollution, stress from work....etc.i like the title of the post "Trouble in Paradise"...very appropriate. take care.
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Do a google search on iron overload. Beef is iron rich. Raypeat.com has good articles on the subject, he recommends drinking coffee with meat to limit iron absorption.
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... iron overload. Beef is iron rich. Raypeat.com has good articles on the subject...
Thank you Matt. Buffalo smells better than beef to me, but I kind of dislike that everyone in my house has a separate diet from the next guy. One of my cats is very picky and will only eat buffalo, so I've been giving that to the other cat too, and eating it myself. Also, I want variety, and the easiest organ to get is liver, so when I get organs, it's usually that. That also has high iron, right? Truthfully, I feel much better eating raw chicken and other light colored meats. Not it looks like I may have too much iron in my blood. It's time for me to stop being in denial that each in my house needs an individual diet. I'm eating (raw) chicken tonight.
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Donating blood helps. Don't supplement with vitamin C. Separate the time when you eat fruit, from the time you eat meat.
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In my experience, lots of fat (or carbs before I eat carnivorous) gives me cramps (among other symptoms). No explanation, but it's a fact.
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TO LEX, you're like a super eating guru for me and all my other friends here in this forum. i'm just wondering, have you ever try wheat grass in empty stomach? i grow two trays a week. even in winter, i take these trays outside some part of the day to give them real sunlight. it is very different that any other stores. and for god sake, it is so divine...
I'd say wheat grass is Gawd Awful rather than divine. I did the wheat grass thing for many years and all I got for my trouble was light headed, bloating, and gas. But I continued to consume the stuff becasue all the gurus said it was the thing to do (Victorus Kuvinskas, Ann Wigmore, et al) I grew my own as well. I had a full hydroponic wheat grass production setup on my patio and could easily produce 10 trays per day. I'd often drink 16 oz of wheat grass every day along with a mixture of carrot (including the green tops), parsley, beet (including the tops), cabbage, celery, cilantro, and other veggies that were in vogue at the time. I've drunk straight wheat grass juice on an empty stomach, mixed in fruit smoothies, added to other green juices and just about every other way you can imagine. I still have a commercial Wheatena Wheat Grass Juicer, a Champion Juicer, and a commercial Ruby Juicer - all in storage. My health improved dramatically when I stopped drinking the green muck and started following paleo dietary principles.
There were no juicers and no wheat grass (wheat is a modern plant) in paleo times. Something to think about.....
Lex
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dear lex, i believe that you went through a lot and also these green juice didn't help you or many of us. i grow my wheat grass in thick nutritious soil, and i really feel the difference by drinking the juice than any other green things out there. but i found that raw animal foods are much more energetic than those greens we buy from supermarket. i always enjoy of reading your post. thanks lex.
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The raypeat.com iron overload is for cooked meat where the iron is transformed from organic nutrient matter back to inorganic iron metal. Iron supplements are inorganic.
With cramping I would look at dehydration / hydration. And fantastic hydration is possible with water structure in hydrating fruit like watermelon or melons. (city water just doesn't work) Try a 1 day watermelon feast and see what that does to you.
Or just watermelon breakfast
Couple the dehydration with possible circulation problems. Try cayenne tinctures temporarily.
You can try massages with ghee.
I would try mineral and energy drops on it like quantum minerals plus drops just to see if it is a mineral deficiency.
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Iron supplements are inorganic.
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I would try mineral and energy drops on it like quantum minerals plus drops just to see if it is a mineral deficiency.
What are quantum minerals plus drops
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Do you have a recipe how to make it? I don't need it right now, but if I ever get stuck eating vegan style or other inferior food for me. Soaking raisins and mixing the resultant water with a little unheated honey delivers iron, but I think raisin water is too sweet for me. I know other herbs that can help with anemias, but no recipe.
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Your wheat grass drinking sounds like torture. The things we do to be healthy, I've drunk Hydrogen peroxide in the past, truly revolting. As was my coconut oil detox.
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@wodgina6722 I know, right? Sixteen ounces is more than anyone I know. I've eaten bowls of flax seeds ground with soaked prunes and papaya, and fell sick for months. It was the prunes. The same with just papaya and flax served some helpful purpose at least. Beet juice burns me as it goes down. I don't know how someone imagines plants are antiinflammatory and raw meat not. They/we have to try it to know different.
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The things we do to be healthy, I've drunk Hydrogen peroxide in the past, truly revolting. As was my coconut oil detox.
Hydrogen peroxide oxidizes/ages, the opposite of oxygenating (any raw food I know). You're lucky you didn't do too much.
I'm glad I never drank oil. Unfortunately I listened to my cat's veterinarian and fed her oil. She nearly died from it. He didn't say it should be good quality, but I used only organic cold pressed on her.
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I did not like wheat grass ever in my life.
But when my brother needed liver rebuilding, wheat grass juice worked for him for some time.
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I did not like wheat grass ever in my life.
But when my brother needed liver rebuilding, wheat grass juice worked for him for some time.
well, one thing is pretty true that anything grows on wealthy soil, that is completely different than anything you compare out there. it is just a miracle food for me. my entire household works i depend on wheat grass. i put the wheat grass into the water to give my toddler a healthy bath, i make for him the toothpaste out of the juice, i put that on my hair, skin. my body feels complete when i drink the pure juice and it is similar to when i eat raw beef. so, this is my best miracle green and i just can't deny it.
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Goodsamaritan,
Are you saying iron is made more, or less, bio-available when meat is cooked?
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I'd say wheat grass is Gawd Awful rather than divine. I did the wheat grass thing for many years and all I got for my trouble was light headed, bloating, and gas....There were no juicers and no wheat grass (wheat is a modern plant) in paleo times. Something to think about.....
Lex
My experiences are the same. Like Lex, I had my own full wheatgrass producing 'factory' and was consuming a fresh homemade tray of the stuff per day along with the body-breaking vegan diet. In my experience, wheatgrass shots prove a useful 'hit' to the poorly fed but have no place in a paleo diet for a whole multitude of reasons. But, as Andrew said, the things we do to be healthy?! :o We're all on our own respective journeys.
Lex, whatever happened to those cramps?! Did they resolve? Did you pinpoint it to a particular deficiency or change your diet with beneficial results?
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Lex, whatever happened to those cramps?! Did they resolve? Did you pinpoint it to a particular deficiency or change your diet with beneficial results?
Nope, never did figure out what caused them. They've just gone away on their own over time. Could be that they were just part of my body's reaction as it adapted to my sudden and radical change in diet. I have't had a cramp in months - can't even remember the last one.
Lex
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Nope, never did figure out what caused them. They've just gone away on their own over time. Could be that they were just part of my body's reaction as it adapted to my sudden and radical change in diet. I have't had a cramp in months - can't even remember the last one.
Lex
Glad to hear that! Do you still use salt with your meals as you started to when the cramps appeared? One would ordinarily suspect a mineral deficiency and I thought Tyler's point of a mineral deficiency in the soil/grass (perhaps Mg?) in the diet of the beef you regularly consume from Slankers was a valid one. Did you begin to vary your source, include seafood or make any other changes?
I've suffered on and off with leg cramps since beginning my RAF adventure in 2001. The Primal Diet was the worst culprit which definitely makes me think that Ca/Mg are implicated - particularly as those minerals are used in the contraction/relaxation of muscles. There were points when consuming vast quantities of raw milk (bad Ca/Mg ratio food!) on the Primal Diet when I cramped so bad in my calves that I was entirely disabled and couldn't walk home (or at all!) when out in the City!
But, I think that your recent bone scan dismisses the possibility of a problem with Ca/Mg ratio or deficiency.
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Goodsamaritan,
Are you saying iron is made more, or less, bio-available when meat is cooked?
It's not just iron, it is all minerals.
raw fruit, raw plant, raw meat have minerals in bio-absorbable form... cooking them turns them back to their inorganic form.
We can't eat iron filings you magnetize in the soil, you need the plants to convert them first so animals and humans can make use of the iron.
Lex, that is probably the best explanation, thanks for the update on this thread as the original poster.
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well, one thing is pretty true that anything grows on wealthy soil, that is completely different than anything you compare out there. it is just a miracle food for me. my entire household works i depend on wheat grass. i put the wheat grass into the water to give my toddler a healthy bath, i make for him the toothpaste out of the juice, i put that on my hair, skin. my body feels complete when i drink the pure juice and it is similar to when i eat raw beef. so, this is my best miracle green and i just can't deny it.
To each their own I suppose. I know someone who drank wheat grass juice despite the fact that it usually made her vomit. When I asked her why she drank it if it made her sick and explained, like Lex did, that it's not Paleo (she was interested in Paleo nutrition), she agreed that it was a good question and stopped drinking it. Her health improved some after she eliminated the wheat grass juice and made some other minor dietary changes based on principles of biologically appropriate foods, and she no longer had to deal with wheat-grass induced vomiting.
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To each their own I suppose. I know someone who drank wheat grass juice despite the fact that it usually made her vomit. When I asked her why she drank it if it made her sick and explained, like Lex did, that it's not Paleo (she was interested in Paleo nutrition), she agreed that it was a good question and stopped drinking it. Her health improved some after she eliminated the wheat grass juice and made some other minor dietary changes based on principles of biologically appropriate foods, and she no longer had to deal with wheat-grass induced vomiting.
;)i herd some people at the beginning like that but i never deal with this problem. it is just for medicinal purpose (not to drink more than 5 to 6 oz aday) and for the beginners, for couple of tsps. for me, i've a chronic urinary track infection and wheat grass always acts like a magic with that. i stop drinking this last entire months and get that problem again. when i buy those wheatgrass from outside they are just disgusting. you can't deny the high brix factor of good soil product. for me i see it works, for my mother also it works, that she can sleep fairly when she continue drinks that. i also think that when cows graze this grass, she gets her full satisfaction of eating grass. i'm not a cow, but i think that if i can handle this taste, than i should take advantage of grazing this too. basically i smash into a stone and chew the grass. i just do n't agree to grow them artificially in the water. i work very hard to get the best product.
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I've suffered on and off with leg cramps since beginning my RAF adventure in 2001. The Primal Diet was the worst culprit which definitely makes me think that Ca/Mg are implicated - particularly as those minerals are used in the contraction/relaxation of muscles. There were points when consuming vast quantities of raw milk (bad Ca/Mg ratio food!) on the Primal Diet when I cramped so bad in my calves that I was entirely disabled and couldn't walk home (or at all!) when out in the City!
Yes, I had similiar experiences with leg cramps while consuming vast amounts of raw dairy. Incidentally, if you still get them occasionally, it might be an idea to go in for more omega-3s(the blue ice cod liver oil or krill oil).
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Yes, I had similiar experiences with leg cramps while consuming vast amounts of raw dairy. Incidentally, if you still get them occasionally, it might be an idea to go in for more omega-3s(the blue ice cod liver oil or krill oil).
I think the dairy did a real number on us both Tyler! I can't believe that I fooled myself for so long that all of the extreme symptoms I had from diary consumption - similar to your own - were some kind of 'detox'!!
I'm pleased to say that I no longer suffer with cramps at all. I do regularly take the Blue Ice fermented unflavoured CLO so perhaps this has been helping. You use their Krill oil don't you Tyler? How are you finding it? I haven't really looked into it - how does it differ from CLO? Is it just a good Omega 3 source?
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I think the dairy did a real number on us both Tyler! I can't believe that I fooled myself for so long that all of the extreme symptoms I had from diary consumption - similar to your own - were some kind of 'detox'!!
I'm pleased to say that I no longer suffer with cramps at all. I do regularly take the Blue Ice fermented unflavoured CLO so perhaps this has been helping. You use their Krill oil don't you Tyler? How are you finding it? I haven't really looked into it - how does it differ from CLO? Is it just a good Omega 3 source?
Well, the krill oil does seem to be more effective than the Blue Ice CLO re improving concentration etc.. I'm impressed as supplements have usually been useless for me, but the krill oil is cold-extracted etc. , so is better than most.
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My partner and I also had leg cramps when we started the diet. My wife grabbed some Mg suppliments for it but I didnt take them, both of our leg cramps went away after a little while, I think it just has something to do with something your body eventually adjusts to.. kind of like how your body will adapt to high/low salt.
They were usually in the morning, where when you wake up and do your yawn/stretch thing, when we would extend our legs down it was like *yaaaawwn---AAAHH!!! MY CALVES!!!" and then it would go away haha.
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Tyler I would love to see where you learned that the Krill oil you take is cold extracted. I contacted Mercola's Krill oil supplier in Canada and found out they do indeed use heat, but wouldn't tell me how much....
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Tyler I would love to see where you learned that the Krill oil you take is cold extracted. I contacted Mercola's Krill oil supplier in Canada and found out they do indeed use heat, but wouldn't tell me how much....
I'd assumed - without checking - that the krill oil was made by Green Pastures as is the trust worthy FCLO. I wouldn't trust it now I see that it's a Mercola product, personally. Have you looked into the production methods involved Tyler?
My partner and I also had leg cramps when we started the diet. My wife grabbed some Mg suppliments for it but I didnt take them, both of our leg cramps went away after a little while, I think it just has something to do with something your body eventually adjusts to.. kind of like how your body will adapt to high/low salt.
They were usually in the morning, where when you wake up and do your yawn/stretch thing, when we would extend our legs down it was like *yaaaawwn---AAAHH!!! MY CALVES!!!" and then it would go away haha.
I know that feeling Neone! :o That's interesting to hear the outcome of your accidental experiment. It's certainly not something I suffer from now either but I suspect dairy was involved for me.
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I'd assumed - without checking - that the krill oil was made by Green Pastures as is the trust worthy FCLO. I wouldn't trust it now I see that it's a Mercola product, personally. Have you looked into the production methods involved Tyler?
I can see why you might mistrust Mercola's excessive promotions of supplements, but Mercola has built his reputation on providing reasonably high-quality products which is partly why I trust him re this.
As for the krill oil, there are only 2 methods that are ever described as being used:- cold-extraction(used by most) and something called a"2-stage process". I've double-checked by e-mailing the relevant company that produces most of the cold-extracted krill oil. We'll see. I certainly would find it odd if they did use heat, as there's plenty of evidence to show that cold-extraction of oils/fats can be done without the need for any heat. And using the term "cold-extraction" when still using heat would be very dangerous a term, leading to damages in court.
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As for the krill oil, there are only 2 methods that are ever described as being used:- cold-extraction(used by most) and something called a"2-stage process". I've double-checked by e-mailing the relevant company that produces most of the cold-extracted krill oil. We'll see. I certainly would find it odd if they did use heat, as there's plenty of evidence to show that cold-extraction of oils/fats can be done without the need for any heat. And using the term "cold-extraction" when still using heat would be very dangerous a term, leading to damages in court.
I hope you get a positive email response from the company Tyler. Keep us posted. I am always wary when the term "cold-extraction" is used. From what I've read before, this is just a marketing term and falls under no appropriate legislation for ensuring the food is produced without heat. At least, that was my understanding when I looked into the matter previously with regard to olive oils. The only olive oil i buy specifically states on the tin that it is never heated above 27 C (not that I consume olive oil anymore). The term "raw" is used in a similar manner and for which there exists no legal definition with regard to food - AFAIK.
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I hope you get a positive email response from the company Tyler. Keep us posted. I am always wary when the term "cold-extraction" is used. From what I've read before, this is just a marketing term and falls under no appropriate legislation for ensuring the food is produced without heat. At least, that was my understanding when I looked into the matter previously with regard to olive oils. The only olive oil i buy specifically states on the tin that it is never heated above 27 C (not that I consume olive oil anymore). The term "raw" is used in a similar manner and for which there exists no legal definition with regard to food - AFAIK.
I see what you mean. For example, in UK law, it is legal to call honey raw as long as it's heated "only" to a maximum of 80 degrees Celsius for a very short while. Of course, heating it that far destroys enzymes which rather defeats the purpose. As a result, I've stuck to eating raw honeycomb(in cartons) instead as it's the only way to guarantee rawness 100%(all the liquid so-called raw honeys in the shops would give me massive hikes in blood-sugar levels unlike with the honeycomb).
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For example, in UK law, it is legal to call honey raw as long as it's heated "only" to a maximum of 80 degrees Celsius for a very short while. Of course, heating it that far destroys enzymes which rather defeats the purpose. As a result, I've stuck to eating raw honeycomb(in cartons) instead as it's the only way to guarantee rawness 100%(all the liquid so-called raw honeys in the shops would give me massive hikes ...
We're lucky in the US. If the honey jar is labeled both unheated, unfiltered and unprocessed, it's almost always good. I am very sensitive to honey and always hated the taste of it all my life until I tried such labeled honey, which tasted enticing (and usually still does). There's a brand called Honey Pacifica. It's stocked at Rawsome in California and also HP can mail order. If you buy from them ask for the hand packed cold packed honey: http://honeypacifica.com/coldpacked.htm (http://honeypacifica.com/coldpacked.htm) The others are good too, but this is better. Even so, I think they may get none of the honey from hives in trees (I love hives naturally occurring in trees), but rather from boxes they must keep.
http://revver.com/video/211447/raw-honey-that-is-really-raw-not-heated-honey/ (http://revver.com/video/211447/raw-honey-that-is-really-raw-not-heated-honey/)
I have bought unheated Amish honey. Most of the purchases it is excellent quality. One time it looked heated to me, and made me stink (IMO). Another time it seemed so much like sugar to me in flavor, smell and even in texture to a degree, that I doubted that ones quality.
As far as leg cramps or other foot cramps, I think I got them when I stopped drinking celery juice. Also, I had started getting them at a time I think I was hyperthyroid. This was about eighteen years ago. They are not occurring at any time more recently.