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Title: what for lunch for raw toddler?
Post by: raw on November 26, 2009, 04:19:58 am
-[my raw toddler throws up today's lunch. i give him fresh celery juice with freshly grounded flex seeds (he loves this very much), than i give him the super combination of 1)half avocado, 2)one tsp raw soaked sunflower seeds,3)one tsp raw soaked sesame seed, 4)six California raw soaked almonds, 5)very small a pinch bee pollen... all together crush them in a stone and make a paste (this is the way i'm feeding him since he started solid food which is part of his vegan diet). he is so happy drinking the celery, but as soon as i give him that paste, he throws up every thing. he just doesn't like it. than i give him only avocado paste, he eats that.
:(my questions are,1) what else i can give him for lunch? 2)the day i give him fish lunch and steak diner and yolks breakfast, is it too much protein he is taking for entire day? 3) he loves pomegranates, cheese, apple, water melon, grapes (i don't like to give these everyday b/c of high content of suger and they are not local. can i give him only good amount of raw cheese only?
PLEASE, SUGGEST ME TO DRAW A DREAM RAW LUNCH FOR THIS LITTLE TODDLER. THANKS. : -\
important note: he drinks wheat grass juice, carrot juice and 3/4 egg yolks followed by 1 tbsp cod liver oil in the morning. for diner, he eats nice size of raw steak (.2 lb usually) (with pinch of seaweed, raw onion,honey sotimes) with plenty of raw butter or marrows. for lunch, twice a week i give him 2/3 raw clams with wild raw salmon and five days a week he follows the lunch above. he drinks i cup of raw goat milk acidophiles with a blended banana for snack.
Title: Re: what for lunch for raw toddler?
Post by: Raw Kyle on November 26, 2009, 07:28:20 am
That is definitely raw, but nothing near raw paleo. Why would kids need anything different than adults? I figure, as soon as children are weaned, they should be eating what adults eat, since at that point their nutritional needs are about the same.
Title: Re: what for lunch for raw toddler?
Post by: RawZi on November 26, 2009, 07:37:05 am
... freshly grounded flex seeds (he loves this very much), than i give him the super combination of 1)half avocado, 2)one tsp raw soaked sunflower seeds,3)one tsp raw soaked sesame seed, 4)six California raw soaked almonds, 5)very small a pinch bee pollen... all together crush them in a stone and make a paste (this is the way i'm feeding him since he started solid food which is part of his vegan diet). he is so happy drinking the celery, but as soon as i give him that paste, he throws up every thing. he just doesn't like it. than i give him only avocado paste, he eats that.
The seeds/nuts could be the big problem. You could try eliminating them, or using them as a slight condiment rather than a major component.
Title: Re: what for lunch for raw toddler?
Post by: Raw Kyle on November 26, 2009, 08:30:35 am
I agree about the nuts/seeds. Those are one of the most concentrated and hard to digest foods in the world, more difficult than cereal grains even. And if there's one thing about kids digestive systems that you want to watch out for, it's hard to digest/irritating stuff.
Title: Re: what for lunch for raw toddler?
Post by: invisible on November 26, 2009, 09:19:25 am
meat, fat and organs.
Title: Re: what for lunch for raw toddler?
Post by: raw on November 26, 2009, 09:29:22 am
That is definitely raw, but nothing near raw paleo. Why would kids need anything different than adults? I figure, as soon as children are weaned, they should be eating what adults eat, since at that point their nutritional needs are about the same.
thanks for your valuable opinion and also to my all other friends "thanks" . usually i eat with him. i'll definitely eliminate them from his diet. but what i will replace in that place, organs? he does not like the animal protein that much. so i try that at night. i'm also afraid of too much protein intake. please, help me out little more. thanks.
Title: Re: what for lunch for raw toddler?
Post by: PaleoPhil on November 26, 2009, 10:54:44 am
I eat that too, along with eggs (all of it raw, with occasional cheating for social reasons). I don't tell people what to eat, just say what I eat and report the results in my journal, which have been good so far but are not always 100% good all the time, so reader beware.
I eat around 75-80% of calories as animal fat and 20-25% as meat/fish protein and I drink as much mineral water as I can handle. Water is supposed to be important for carnivores.
Title: Re: what for lunch for raw toddler?
Post by: RawZi on November 26, 2009, 03:21:32 pm
he is so happy drinking the celery, but as soon as i give him that paste,
Maybe one food should be separate from the next for him. He might appreciate nuts or paste, if it wasn't so close to celery juice. In the primal diet, one must wait one whole hour from juice to other food, except coconut cream, unheated honey or a raw egg. Nuts and seeds are hard to digest, no matter what the form. To mix most foods makes it harder. Have you heard of AV's nut formula? It's not pasty. It works better in the intestines. Also Ann Wigmore seed or nut cheese works better for the muscles, skin and intestines than paste or whole soaked nuts.
Title: Re: what for lunch for raw toddler?
Post by: invisible on November 26, 2009, 08:02:12 pm
do you have raw animal fats? It would be good to eat fat with the organs or steaks to not get too much protein.
Try to keep foods separate example fruits and juice in the morning, meat for lunch and dinner.
Title: Re: what for lunch for raw toddler?
Post by: raw on November 26, 2009, 11:54:46 pm
do you have raw animal fats? It would be good to eat fat with the organs or steaks to not get too much protein.
Try to keep foods separate example fruits and juice in the morning, meat for lunch and dinner.
excellent idea!!! wow!! i thought about that sometimes but couldn't get that courage.
to rawzi, i never new that before and i think that must be very good because you recommend. i definitely do the research about that more in the future.
THANK YOU TO ALL MY FRIENDS OF PROVIDING ME ALL THOSE VALUABLE INFO. PLEASE, HELP ME A LITTLE BIT MORE AND I'LL BE KEEP POSTING HIS NEW DIET SOON HERE. THANKS. :-*
Title: Re: what for lunch for raw toddler?
Post by: RawZi on November 27, 2009, 12:06:07 am
What symptoms does your little son manifest when he gets too much and too little dietary protein? Children generally have lots of growth hormone. Because of this, there isn't as much dire need to eat protein.
I do know when my son was that little though, that he loved to eat nuts. He used to crack them open himself. Actually, he did not like nuts unless he cracked them himself. He also liked the seed cheese recipe (AW) that I (and others) made. I made it to taste somewhat like tuna fish salad and also as salad dressing.
Little children usually use a lot of fuel (carbohydrates and fats). Nuts not only have protein, but a kind of starch (carb). AV has been prescribing the nut formula (or made with soaked peas rather than nuts) for some people that he sees require starch. I don't have experience with it, as I don't require starch. Most people don't.
he does not like the animal protein that much. so i try that at night. i'm also afraid of too much protein intake. please, help me out little more. thanks.
:(my questions are,1) what else i can give him for lunch? 2)the day i give him fish lunch and steak diner and yolks breakfast, is it too much protein he is taking for entire day? 3) he loves pomegranates, cheese, apple, water melon, grapes (i don't like to give these everyday b/c of high content of suger and they are not local. can i give him only good amount of raw cheese only?
Title: Re: what for lunch for raw toddler?
Post by: RawZi on November 27, 2009, 12:13:04 am
P.S.: The salad was made from 5 - 7 inch chopped hulled buckwheat "sprout"s and sunflower sprouts (same as buckwheat) with (raw peeled deseeded diced finely) tomato, cucumber (same), zucchini and yellow squash (same) and a little ripped lettuce (everything organic). When given regular salad, he wouldn't touch it. I think regular was harder to digest. He must have been low HCL similar to me.
Title: Re: what for lunch for raw toddler?
Post by: raw on November 27, 2009, 02:14:36 pm
i want to update some info here:
1)1 TBSP WHEAT GRASS JUICE WITH 2tbsps romaine lettuce juice, followed by 2 tbsp fresh carrot juice; after that 4 raw egg yolks and 1 tbsp cod liver oil
2)about 3 hrs later 2oz fresh celey juice with flex seeds
3)today my toddler eats very small slices beef with marrows for lunch (blended with little onions)
4)about 5 hrs later i give him another small size of beef with plenty of raw butter and pinch of seaweed. (also blended). he takes 1tbsp of cod liver oil again.
5) i don't think he is that much hungry by than and about 3 hrs later i give him plain raw goat milk acidophiles (half cup)
HE DOESN'T CONSUME ANY FRUIT TODAY!!
please, help me to build for him a dream diet. i need your opinion. what should i keep and what should i eliminate, need to know. thanks. -\
Title: Re: what for lunch for raw toddler?
Post by: RawZi on November 27, 2009, 04:09:16 pm
Special Thanksgiving Day gift! How did the non-raw in-laws react? I know some of my family didn't respect food with mine, even as new born the older (than me) ones tried feed cooked just putting things in the mouth while in my lap. Maybe they liked stepping on me as a mother because I was somewhat young. I imagine once you get past thirty relatives would respect with a small young child. Maybe it's the culture too. Maybe Bangladeshi-Americans are more respectful of what the mother is feeding the child? Or is the case that it being Thanksgiving Day it helped someway that your toddler was not tempted by fruit?
Does your son drink water? If so, what kind, how much and when? What kinds of seaweed do you use? Does he have a favorite? Have you tried (raw) lamb or meats from other terrestrial animals? What do you think of cod liver without the oil extracted?
Title: Re: what for lunch for raw toddler?
Post by: raw on November 28, 2009, 04:17:32 am
rawzi/ thank you for spare all your valuable time with us for writing.
to day is our Christmas day. we sacrifice animals by the name of god and celebrate all day. i can't do here, but i send some money to my family back home and they do the job and feed the poor. we also have a very blessed thanksgiving diner last night. my in-laws are french and they have all those yummy french dishes. i just lick on some foods to taste that's it. they are always nice to me and respect my feelings.
to day, i give my little boy 4 egg yolks, wheat grass (I believe and it's proven that wheatgrass eliminates the radiation that we are constantly getting from electronics and cell phones, i put his water the juice of wheatgrass to eliminate the chemicals from the water. the brix factor is very high of the wheat grass i grow at home (which is on exclusive on nutritious soil and very hard work, to keep a good health cost more work) and all those benefits i feel that by drinking this, where my other friends in this forum disagree with me( and their growing method is very different than me), but i feel the differences of using this) and romaine lettuce juice with cod liver oil. after four hours later i give him a whole cup of buttery raw goat milk acidophiles. i give him a cup of water to drink after that. also in the morning he drinks couple of sips of water. he's sleeping now. i just get the plain water from my osmosis system in the kitchen. i know that this is not a best source of water to drink. i just can't afford all these mineral water at this moment. also cod liver oil i buy from whole food which is not the best one i know.i'm not giving him any other meat than cows. the oyher day i went the union square whole food and i found the lamb from new zealand , but they said they are not grass fed, so, i didn't buy.
i just give him plain muscle meat at this moment, but this weekend i'll shop some organs from internet. i used to give him livers and he hates them.
I believe and it's proven that wheatgrass eliminates the radiation that we are constantly getting from electronics and cell phones, i put his bath water the juice of wheatgrass to eliminate the chemicals from the water. the brix factor is very high of the wheat grass i grow at home (which is on exclusive on nutritious soil and very hard work, to keep a good health cost more work) and all those benefits i feel that by drinking this, where my other friends in this forum disagree with me( and their growing method is very different than me by using those commercial mechine there's no way they will get benefit even drinking tons of it, personaly i'll never consider those machines to grow them), but i feel the differences of using this.
Title: Re: what for lunch for raw toddler?
Post by: RawZi on November 28, 2009, 05:41:29 am
Some of us on forum try to deal without money for one reason or another, so don't have brix meters or reverse osmosis systems. Personally I find RAFs so strengthening that if I eat them, chlorine and other toxins don't molest me as much. It's one of the reasons I turned to RAF now while I'm still fairly young. My guy has a very strong constitution, many generations raised in the fresh air out in the country, young mothers, majority etc. My family is city, minority etc. We have children much later generally too, my parents were both much older than you at my birth and their parents at theirs. He applies his needs to me (lots of TV, screwed water filters etc), and his compromises make me very sick. It's a favor. It brought me to RAF. If his path was not a sharp cross one to mine, we would have never met nor become one. With RAF I can survive even if the way he arranges everything contradicts me. I used to read about brix meters all the time; I was a member of vegan forums for years. I think brix meters were invented to measure the sugar in grape crops/vineyards. Some of the members here who've made the best recoveries are now drinking tap water that has not been treated since coming through the city pipes.
I used to carefully compost all my own soil from my raw kitchen in the rain forest. I grew wheat grass from that. I used nothing artificial. Wheat grass is a good detergent. At this point I avoid detergents, solvents and all of the sort if at all possible, artificially sourced or not. I use raw grass grazed fat and raw grass grazed meat, as it works more naturally with the body. I can not afford to fool around. It's the step I'm up to. If you are up to the step of carefully grown wheat grass, there is nothing to be ashamed about. Use the grass until it serves you no more. Know then that there are alternatives. Wisdom is hard come by. Suffering is the mother of finding answers that work (even if not popular).
Title: Re: what for lunch for raw toddler?
Post by: raw on November 28, 2009, 05:49:31 am
again another amazing writing. more i know you, more it makes me hungry to know more.
Title: Re: what for lunch for raw toddler?
Post by: livingthelife on November 28, 2009, 06:37:35 am
Where are you living now, raw? In India or in the USA?
(I love your av, RawZi!)
Title: Re: what for lunch for raw toddler?
Post by: cherimoya_kid on November 28, 2009, 09:59:06 am
Where are you living now, raw? In India or in the USA?
(I love your av, RawZi!)
USA
Title: Re: what for lunch for raw toddler?
Post by: raw on November 29, 2009, 11:05:58 pm
the raw toddler didn't eat any fruits yesterday.
1)romaine lettuce juice and wheatgrass juice, 5 egg yolks with cod liver oil.
2)celery juice with flexseeds
3)wild salmon with skin and 3 clams blended with little raw butter
4)2 oz raw goat milk acidophiles as snack
5).1 lb of raw beef with plenty of raw butter, little onion and pinch of seaweed (diner)
please, need more ideas what to keep and what to eliminate. everyone's opinion is valuable here. he loves to be around computers and other electronics and i'm continuing little bit of wheatgrass for radiation. green leaf is a good source of calcium and vit K. again he is a baby and do you think ZC will work for him! i'm still learning about raw paleo. please leave your opinion here! thanks.
Title: Re: what for lunch for raw toddler?
Post by: RawZi on November 29, 2009, 11:28:45 pm
... again he is a baby and do you think ZC will work for him! i'm still learning about raw paleo. please leave your opinion here! thanks.
I had always thought fruit was fine for a child for them to eat before noon each day. Each situation is different from the next IMO. I feel children can do fine on an all raw meat diet, maybe better, Idk. How is your toddler otherwise these last few days as in comparison to last week?
Title: Re: what for lunch for raw toddler?
Post by: PaleoPhil on November 30, 2009, 02:39:57 am
My biggest negative concern would be the wheat grass juice and then the goat milk, but it looks like a better-than-avg diet overall. Every kid I've seen eat a meat/fat-based diet has thrived and raw meat/fat should be even better. Delfuego at the ZC forum reports his kids have done well for years on nothing but pemmican and water, and they look very healthy and happy (very smiley :) ). GoodSamaritan's son looks healthier after he started eating more raw meat/fat (also smiley :) ).
Title: Re: what for lunch for raw toddler?
Post by: raw on November 30, 2009, 02:14:01 pm
paleophil, thanks a lot for this important opinion. definitely that makes more sense of raw meat and fat diet. only problem is to feed him raw meat. it seems like, i need one person to hold him while he watches youtube videos and i put that in his mouth. i wait at night for my husband to come to feed him. i realize that he doesn't dislike this meat (fatty lamb), but still doesn't want to eat by himself. i also keep him hungry entire day long and still he does that. but if he sees grapes or pomegranate or apples, he likes that to eat.
goat milk is the only source of probiotic i give him. if i stop giving him that, than i have to count on high meat (i'm not sure he's ready for that). or if you suggest something else. i missed that reading that to live on only pemmican diet. pemmican is completely raw meat? my child likes everything smooth blended. only fruits he likes to bite on.
when i was pregnant, i didn't eat any protein , even a single egg. so he was born very small and struggles with many deficiencies like vit D, zinc, iron...etc. he was born with a very rough skin in some bottom part of his both legs. but now everything has solved. also he was severely allergic to any diary products up to his two yrs. now he's not anymore and he loves to bite on raw unsalted cheese. :)
Title: Re: what for lunch for raw toddler?
Post by: TylerDurden on November 30, 2009, 05:40:01 pm
Pemmican is most certainly NOT 100% raw, it also consists of rendered/cooked fat which is very unhealthy. Avoid it like the plague.
As regards the dairy, you're free to do as you like, but, IMO, the fact that your child had dairy allergies at the start does imply that he has some health issues with dairy. I've come across people in the past who've claimed to "get used to" raw dairy after consuming it for long periods, despite massive allergy-issues initially, and, in the end, many admitted that they were better off without any dairy.
Title: Re: what for lunch for raw toddler?
Post by: raw on November 30, 2009, 11:20:04 pm
:)TylerDurden, thanks buddy. i'm not going for pemmican definitely. i'm on my way to feed my child raw meat which is superior than all. this is so funny that the way i tried to give him raw meat even without knowing anything about paleo diet (i just follow mother's instinct). i know how scary it is when you do everything good for your child and still he suffers and you don't know what to do. well, i'm very happy now the outcomes i see already.
last night, for the 1st time i give him new zealand fatty muscle meat for dinner and it seems like he kind of likes that. i'm not happy of the source of meat that coming from another country. again i spend about $90, to get some organs from us wellness, and that doesn't satisfy me either. northern bison company charges $25 extra for shipping and that is something i just can't afford at this moment. i've also learned that i have to be carefull buying suet, b/c they add flowers on it. my mom tells me the quality of grass fed fat is very high in my country and here, spending ridiculous amount of money, still you don't know what you're getting. i try to give him some marrow bone as fat and myself i only consume muscle meat with raw butter. when i run out of animal fat, most of the time i give my toddler the raw butter with the raw meat. i hear that raw butter contains the vit K2. i realize that it is easy to get raw butter than raw animal fats. please, send me some info for reliable source of raw animal fats, so, i can try his diet without dairy sometimes.
i want to thanks all of my friends who are participating to help my little toddler to create his perfect meal. please, i need more answer!!! -\ thanks.
Title: Re: what for lunch for raw toddler?
Post by: PaleoPhil on December 01, 2009, 07:06:40 am
paleophil, thanks a lot for this important opinion. definitely that makes more sense of raw meat and fat diet. only problem is to feed him raw meat. it seems like, i need one person to hold him while he watches youtube videos and i put that in his mouth. i wait at night for my husband to come to feed him. i realize that he doesn't dislike this meat (fatty lamb), but still doesn't want to eat by himself. i also keep him hungry entire day long and still he does that. but if he sees grapes or pomegranate or apples, he likes that to eat.
goat milk is the only source of probiotic i give him. if i stop giving him that, than i have to count on high meat (i'm not sure he's ready for that). or if you suggest something else. i missed that reading that to live on only pemmican diet. pemmican is completely raw meat? my child likes everything smooth blended. only fruits he likes to bite on.
when i was pregnant, i didn't eat any protein , even a single egg. so he was born very small and struggles with many deficiencies like vit D, zinc, iron...etc. he was born with a very rough skin in some bottom part of his both legs. but now everything has solved. also he was severely allergic to any diary products up to his two yrs. now he's not anymore and he loves to bite on raw unsalted cheese. :)
It's tough with really young ones, and perhaps my parents were old fashioned, but they used to require that everyone in the house put aside TV, radio, homework and newspapers (there was not Internet in those days) when it was time to eat. I think that is one tradition that is worth reviving. After all, shared meals were the center of social interaction for the first 2.5 million years of human history.
I'm not a parent, but perhaps you could offer him Youtube if he finishes his meal first and make sure to share it with him and try to include at least one food he likes in every meal, while keeping all the foods healthy? Just a thought.
Pemmican is most certainly NOT 100% raw, it also consists of rendered/cooked fat which is very unhealthy. Avoid it like the plague.
Yes, Tyler, I know that MOST pemmican is not raw (though mine is, as I've stated before--heated so low I can put my finger in it!), which was why I was careful not to suggest it was and why I never ever claim that above-40C pemmican is equal or superior to raw meat/fat (which it definitely is not--I hope that's clear now). Raw and her child are not eating RPD, as you may have noticed. They are eating wheatgrass and goat's milk, for example. Besides, they might decide to try RAW pemmican some day.
------- I don't want to seem like I'm beating an anti-dairy drum, because I know it is a sensitive subject for some and we have multiple dairy consumers here, but I can confirm what Tyler said about dairy as far as my own experience goes. I used to think I didn't have any problem with dairy, because I did better with it in my youth than my sisters, until I cut it out and my health improved and then tried reintroducing it some months later and reacted badly. I wish my parents had not fed me dairy.
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i hear that raw butter contains the vit K2. i realize that it is easy to get raw butter than raw animal fats. please, send me some info for reliable source of raw animal fats, so, i can try his diet without dairy sometimes.
i want to thanks all of my friends who are participating to help my little toddler to create his perfect meal. please, i need more answer!!! -\ thanks.
Yes, raw grassfed butter contains K2, though so does raw egg yolk, raw shellfish, raw goose leg, raw chicken liver, raw chicken meat, raw grassfed ground beef, and raw grassfed beef liver. It's good to hear that your child is doing better.
My local healthfood market carries cheap grassfed suet. That's unfortunate if it's not available to you. Slanker's and US Wellness both carry it, but they are pricier than my market. Maybe you'll get lucky and find a local grassfed beef farmer who's willing to sell it for cheap or even give it away.
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help my little toddler to create his perfect meal. please, i need more answer!!! -\ thanks.
My own approach is not to seek perfection, as that tends to lead to disappointment and impatience. The way I tend to put it is I seek "what works best for me." YMMV
Title: Re: what for lunch for raw toddler?
Post by: RawZi on December 01, 2009, 07:41:57 am
I don't want to seem like I'm beating an anti-dairy drum, because I know it is a sensitive subject for some and we have multiple dairy consumers here, but I can confirm what Tyler said about dairy as far as my own experience goes. I used to think I didn't have any problem with dairy, because I did better with it in my youth than my sisters, until I cut it out and then tried reintroducing it some months later and reacted badly. I wish my parents had not fed me dairy. Yes, raw grassfed butter contains K2, though so does raw egg yolk, raw shellfish, raw goose leg, raw chicken liver, raw chicken meat, raw grassfed ground beef, and raw grassfed beef liver. It's good to hear that your child is doing better.
... My own approach is not to seek perfection, as that tends to lead to disappointment and impatience. The way I tend to put it is I seek "what works best for me." YMMV
I agree. That dairy you're using raw, although it seems your toddler is fine with it now, that may be or not be the case of what goes on in his body. I do use some raw dairy in addition to (raw) meats and (unheated) honey, but I do not consider it as intrinsic as (raw) meat to health. That being said, especially while your child still has his milk teeth, maybe it is doing him some good. I believe everything has its place, and some things have more place than one.
I wonder how real tiger milk would be for human babies. I'm remembering that concoction of peanut butter, molasses, lecithin and skim called tiger milk that used to be popular with the hippies. Real tiger milk would likely be better for human nervous systems than cow or goat milk. Something none of us will probably know first hand with our children.
Title: Re: what for lunch for raw toddler?
Post by: raw on December 01, 2009, 09:26:28 am
PaleoPhil, which state are you in? is it possible i can get that too staying in nj? my family has a new fedex business where i can get better rate to get product from one state to another state. it's becoming a challenge for me to get a good fat. i just can't afford all those organs and suet to order in internet. the people (wellness us) who sells organs which i've already ordered, they don't carry any suet. so i'll be ending up separate delivery charge from other farmers. if you don't have adequate supply of raw fat, than it is tough to follow raw meat diet. for fat i solely depend on raw dairy at this moment.
thank you so much to read every single details i write and answers from you i get (vitK2). i also thanks to all my friends are participating this forum.
Title: Re: what for lunch for raw toddler?
Post by: van on December 01, 2009, 10:00:45 am
Raw, two suggestions. First, make friends with the butcher manager at Whole foods, if you have one near you. Offer to pay for his grass fed fat trimmings. Keep a consistent buying relationship, bring him/her a gift maybe. Second, I respect Tyler's experience with milk, dairy. But there are factors which can make milk a success or failure. First, is your son's intestines producing lactase, probably, since he's been breast fed, and you're making kefir. Most lactose intolerant people simple don't have lactase to digest the milk sugar. Lactase levels can be brought up to the level necessary to digest the lactose in milk. But this is done by sytematically inducing small amount of lactose along with bacteria that will thrive in the intestines and hence produce more lactase. It's a catch 22 deal. The other big one, is are the milk animals eating grains and are they eating green pasture? In countries where they thrive on dairy, ie, the Swiss alps, their animals traditionally always had either bountiful amounts of green in summer, and a supply of grass hay in the winter to carry them over till springs early green shoots come up. The animals then would have copious amounts of mineral, protein rich, enzymatic rich shoots to essentially regenerate from the winters limited dry food supply. Here it's mostly dry forage and grains year around. I can't stress how different the milk can be.
Title: Re: what for lunch for raw toddler?
Post by: PaleoPhil on December 01, 2009, 10:31:04 am
US Wellness and Slankers both sell suet:
US Wellness http://www.grasslandbeef.com/Categories.bok
I can't guarantee the price will be the same there, of course. It sold for 90 cents a pound the last time I went to the market.
My local supermarkets also carry grain-finished suet for about the same price as the grass-fed.
If you decide to buy suet, I would start out buying a small quantity, as it took myself and Lex some time to get used to it. I still melt most of it at low temps below 40C, as I prefer the taste and convenience of melted suet to unmelted. When I move into a bigger place I plan on buying a meat grinder and freezer so I can make the sort of purely raw mix that Lex makes.
Title: Re: what for lunch for raw toddler?
Post by: RawZi on December 01, 2009, 11:07:23 am
But they do sell in one place in NJ: http://www.hardwickbeef.com/wheretobuy.html
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I like bison, but as for beef, Hardwick is one of the few brands I actually like to eat. It's juicy too. I recommend them when buying beef in your area.
Title: Re: what for lunch for raw toddler?
Post by: PaleoPhil on December 01, 2009, 11:12:48 am
I like bison, but as for beef, Hardwick is one of the few brands I actually like to eat. It's juicy too. I recommend them when buying beef in your area.
Yes, it's my favorite brand. Their venison is out of this world (at least I think it's theirs--it hasn't been in stock in the store for a while, so it might have been a different brand) and their bison is the best I've tried.
Title: Re: what for lunch for raw toddler?
Post by: RawZi on December 01, 2009, 11:25:28 am
... Their venison is out of this world (at least I think it's theirs--it hasn't been in stock in the store for a while, so it might have been a different brand) and their bison is the best I've tried.
I would love to try their other products. I can understand better now how you live on mostly beef without much of other foods. That brand of beef really tastes nutritious in my opinion.
Title: Re: what for lunch for raw toddler?
Post by: PaleoPhil on December 01, 2009, 12:02:32 pm
I would love to try their other products. I can understand better now how you live on mostly beef without much of other foods. That brand of beef really tastes nutritious in my opinion.
That's a fascinating point I hadn't thought of. It could be coincidence, but I seem to get the biggest feeling of euphoria during and after eating from the higher quality raw meats.
Title: Re: what for lunch for raw toddler?
Post by: raw on December 05, 2009, 05:48:43 am
;DTO VAN, PALEOPHIL, RAWZI, i want to thank you all providing me all these information. my farmer who supplies me raw milk, he has grassfed lamb and cows. tomorrow i will receive my orders from him. but i think he is charging me way more what my friend paleophil estimated. i always buy from him significant amount of dairy products, still he's not considering to give me a reasonable price. thanks.
Title: Re: what for lunch for raw toddler?
Post by: PaleoPhil on December 05, 2009, 08:04:21 am
I don't know what you're buying, but muscle meats are a lot more expensive than fats and organs, so if you bought muscle meats that could explain the high prices. I generally pay $5.99 to $8.99 per pound for pasture-fed beef, bison and venison ground muscle meats. I bought ground red deer meat for only $4.99/lb, but it was very bland.