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Raw Paleo Diet Forums => Health => Topic started by: goodsamaritan on December 26, 2009, 12:17:40 am
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Just this evening we went to a home party hosted by a group of lawyers in their 70s. One was telling his ordeal at the hospital at how his blood sugar level shot up and that he was on insulin for quite some time now. All the while they were conversing eating and drinking the usual bad food.
My eyes just rolled.
Same thing happens when my relatives get together and all the old people get to talk about how many drugs they are taking and who their specialists are and their check up schedules that keep them busy.
more eyes rolling.
Fortunately for us, this should not happen in our generation. It would be a refreshing change to get organized with a bunch of health nut raw foodists and grow old together and hang out once in a while. We should all be beautiful healthy people into our old age. Drug free and strong. Take advantage of those senior benefits.
I'll probably wait for all our journals to mature when Lex is 80, I'll be 60. We'll probably party over beef brains. Who knows.
How do you think most of us will turn out at 80?
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You're assuming that a diet is the end-all be-all answer to perfect health. I'm not convinced that's the case when it comes to cancer and some other conditions.
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Well, really many people on a raw animal food diet have seen many of their health problems disappear. Things like cancer have even come to a halt. I believe we'll all be a happy bunch of old people having our own potlucks and still rolling our eyes at others consuming cooked foods.
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You're assuming that a diet is the end-all be-all answer to perfect health. I'm not convinced that's the case when it comes to cancer and some other conditions.
Actually I'm not assuming diet as the end-all be-all answer to perfect health. There's also fasting. There's exercise. Sun exposure. Stress free living. Pollution avoidance of every kind. This is where the paleo "lifestyle" comes in. Tools like herbs, electromedicine etc.
Being an accomplished family healer is empowering. Going through life not fearing the common diseases is a great relief for the entire family.
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Just this evening we went to a home party hosted by a group of lawyers in their 70s. One was telling his ordeal at the hospital at how his blood sugar level shot up and that he was on insulin for quite some time now. All the while they were conversing eating and drinking the usual bad food.
My eyes just rolled.
Same thing happens when my relatives get together and all the old people get to talk about how many drugs they are taking and who their specialists are and their check up schedules that keep them busy.
more eyes rolling....
I've noticed the same thing among most gatherings of elderly American folk. Granted, these are generalizations not true of all, but they generally ring true. Talk of ailments, medications, recommended doctors, etc. dominates the conversation to the point of excruciating monotony. Many people claim that they look forward to living in Florida and love the life there once they get there, yet so many of them do little but sit around and bitch and moan. Yet these same people will claim that the modern diet is healthier than the Stone Age diet, based solely on vague pre-judgements they have about the latter.
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One forgets that old people are more likely to be depressive etc., not surprising given that their glands are f*cked after years on cooked diets, with smaller brainweight, Alzheimer's etc. derived from consumption of heat-created toxins from cooking. So, naturally, they'll moan and gossip. Besides, people at the end of their lives are far less likely to change having lived a routine-filled life for many decades.
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One forgets that old people are more likely to be depressive etc., not surprising given that their glands are f*cked after years on cooked diets, with smaller brainweight, Alzheimer's etc. derived from consumption of heat-created toxins from cooking.
I haven't forgotten. I've seen the "dementia," "Alzheimer's," depression, etc. first hand, including among some relatives. Those are some of the diseases of civilization I meant that cause people to bitch and moan. Very sad. I don't blame the people themselves. They are who they are largely through no fault of their own. Granted, many people eat junk knowing it to be junk, but few realize the extent to which it's connected to their multiple chronic health issues.
So, naturally, they'll moan and gossip. Besides, people at the end of their lives are far less likely to change having lived a routine-filled life for many decades.
I can understand some complaining. I complain at times myself, although generally more about negative changes in society rather than my own health complaints. But if I get to the point of bitching and moaning nearly every day despite doing all I can via diet, exercise, sunshine, activities, etc., then I think it'll be time for the carbon monoxide. Luckily, I think most of the bitching and moaning and aches and pains would disappear if people changed their diets and other habits. I have seen amazing improvements in people in their 70s and 80s.
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Yes, but many people like having aches and pains.It makes their humdrum lives more interesting if they can see the doctor as a routine etc., especially after they've retired.
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Well, then those folks have no one to blame but themselves. If I get that way, please shoot me (but give me the chance to reform first ;-) ).
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sometimes 'we' really don't know what to reform to. Just imagine is yours and my way of close to zc failed us today.....
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Well, there was no Tyenol in the in 12,000 B.C. There's no room for drugs in nature. Diet is important with dealing with disease, diet is what allowed the diseases to happen in the first place. You don't have the building blocks, you don't repair yourself. You can't expect a bridge to hold up without somebody doing maintenance on it. The same goes to our bodies. It's just a matter of chemistry. Your body needs to acquire certain things from the foods you eat. How on earth are you going to get better without proper nutrition? I worked in a hospital and I hated it. Bad food and toxic meds on top of it. The only "legal" way to treat cancer is radiation, chemo, or surgery? I just don't understand the concept of destroying the body to heal it. That's stupid! Medicine has changed for the worse since Hippocrates. It all boils down to the root of all evil: money.
I hate to say it, people should be dying anyways. What ecosystem allows a predator to outnumber the rest of the chain? That's what happened to humans when agriculture came about. Now we're six billion strong because of the green revolution. Boy, people do not get it. Let's see what happens when all the petroleum is gone, and people don't eat it anymore. Will our numbers dwindle once again?
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I mostly agree, except that natural treatments were used by Stone Agers and nonhuman animals. For example, the modern drug aspirin was refined from white willow tree bark, which Stone Agers no doubt used for headaches and aches and pains (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willow#Medicine). A good book on such treatments is Wild Health: Lessons in Natural Wellness from the Animal Kingdom, by Cindy Engel.
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As long as I'm on raw paleo diet, I feel fine. But once I get into bad stuff like coffee or christmas ham... bam, I get into some trouble.
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... What ecosystem allows a predator to outnumber the rest of the chain? That's what happened to humans when agriculture came about. Now we're six billion strong because of the green revolution. Boy, people do not get it. Let's see what happens when all the petroleum is gone, and people don't eat it anymore. ...
Many people love flying and driving everywhere etc shipping their goods from across the oceans and on and heat their homes to 72F in the Winter and cool to 68F in Summer 24/7 to "help" their environmental allergy problems, they never stop. If the majority wants to call that human, I'd rather not count myself in. Many of those same are totally supporting taking down rainforests to plant cornfields to make alcohol to fuel their car. What next? Digging up cemetaries and burning relatives' bodies for gastank, heating and cooking fuel? It's fuel addiction. They'll see if they can burn the planet like a candle without blinking an eye.
Sorry for OT but fuel junkyism is not necessarily the most efficient, healthiest, best nourishing or sanist way to do what's best for humanity and the rest of the planet, but things will go how they will go.
The old people talking about their health problems, they were just sucked into the system. Too bad, and it affects the young too. The world should be like an earlier time when all ages of people were together and young went to the very old to ask how to live, rather than to doctors who do not know and only want to take money from you the stranger and insurance their bedpartner.
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Beginning with my generation, the western medical "system" will cease to consume my family. My legacy will be in the websites I've written, the blogs, this forum.
My written works will be required reading for my children and grandchildren.
A new day is dawning. The internet age has given people like us a voice.
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Maybe fly off to somewhere to spear fish..then some land hunting for wild deers..with spears.. :P
Star gazing with music while we all feast... and talk about the days when we used to use medication and laugh. Probably that :P
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Well, there was no Tyenol in the in 12,000 B.C. There's no room for drugs in nature. Diet is important with dealing with disease, diet is what allowed the diseases to happen in the first place. You don't have the building blocks, you don't repair yourself. You can't expect a bridge to hold up without somebody doing maintenance on it. The same goes to our bodies. It's just a matter of chemistry. Your body needs to acquire certain things from the foods you eat. How on earth are you going to get better without proper nutrition? I worked in a hospital and I hated it. Bad food and toxic meds on top of it. The only "legal" way to treat cancer is radiation, chemo, or surgery? I just don't understand the concept of destroying the body to heal it. That's stupid! Medicine has changed for the worse since Hippocrates. It all boils down to the root of all evil: money.
I hate to say it, people should be dying anyways. What ecosystem allows a predator to outnumber the rest of the chain? That's what happened to humans when agriculture came about. Now we're six billion strong because of the green revolution. Boy, people do not get it. Let's see what happens when all the petroleum is gone, and people don't eat it anymore. Will our numbers dwindle once again?
agree with first paragraph (with a caveat): i agree with paleophil, herbs were used in the past and are still used even by wild animals for both external and internal healing.
and then i just plain agree with the second paragraph
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My grandfather had type 1 diabetes and lupus*, which meant he could not take medication for either. They're incompatible--lupus medication will worsen diabetes and vice versa. So instead, he had to monitor his diet. He ate to what he needed. My father told me (as my grandfather was dead by then) that he desired meat, that's what he ate. When he desired fruit or vegetables, he'd go for that. If he didn't, he would worsen. This is how my family tends to live (even though they do eat cooked food). I've always listened to my body. I've tried substituted food my cravings before--instead of eating meat, eating crackers. This never works and I'm usually either still hungry or still feel that craving in some way. Only until I eat the food I'm craving will it cease.
I think that's a big thing people do--ignoring their body.
*He happened to pass on other autoimmune disorders to his children. My father was born with a rash. My aunt and I get eczema, a lot. I've found that mine worsens with exposure to chemicals. I cannot stand perfumes, air fresheners, or soaps. My mother as well has issue with drugs and chemicals. We both are very sensitive to them.
As a scientist, I do believe in medication, but I don't believe in quick, faulty science. That's why I agree with raw foodism. What are we evolved to eat? What is the chemical difference between raw and cooked food? I've never believed that red meat was bad for people. However, people seem to have issue with cooked red meat. This makes a lot of sense. I think that if people ate what they're evolved to eat, then no, they shouldn't have much issue with health. However, if my leg breaks, I'm going to want to fix it.
I've never understood why people want Homo sapiens to be above animals (or in some strange other category--either we're apart of nature or we're not, and you can't not be a part of nature). I'm part of life as much as they are. I'm not above animals, of any sort, and I'm not their master of any kind. I may 'own' five cats, but I consider them as my friends. I have a warm, comfortable den, and they're welcome to join me, it's of no hindrance to me and they get a home. When I die, I've always wanted to be fed to another creature--I particularly have a soft spot for vultures and general carrion birds. As other animals are food for me, I would not want to deny them the privilege of a meal.
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I've never understood why people want Homo sapiens to be above animals (or in some strange other category--either we're apart of nature or we're not, and you can't not be a part of nature). I'm part of life as much as they are. I'm not above animals, of any sort, and I'm not their master of any kind. I may 'own' five cats, but I consider them as my friends. I have a warm, comfortable den, and they're welcome to join me, it's of no hindrance to me and they get a home.
When I die, I've always wanted to be fed to another creature--
Yes, I'd also like my body to be used positively like that in the wheel of life--preferably with me dead first. ;) I'd hate for my corpse to be filled with toxic chemicals and stored in a cement box, as with the bizarre current practice in the Western world. That never made sense to me. Even if my body did somehow get re-animated and smash through the lid and ground to rise from the grave, it would be filled with toxic junk and I would probably not be a happy camper. Yuck! Makes no sense.
I particularly have a soft spot for vultures and general carrion birds.
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing after I saw a video on the traditional Tibetan method of sky burial that uses vultures.
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Yes, I'd also like my body to be used positively like that in the wheel of life--preferably with me dead first. ;) I'd hate for my corpse to be filled with toxic chemicals and stored in a cement box, as with the bizarre current practice in the Western world. That never made sense to me. Even if my body did somehow get re-animated and smash through the lid and ground to rise from the grave, it would be filled with toxic junk and I would probably not be a happy camper. Yuck! Makes no sense.
In my town, we have a habit of cremation. Everyone is then poured into a tube in the Earth (not your own personal tube, but a communal one). They didn't want to take up land space with cemeteries. Whenever I tell my friends from the city and urban areas, they think its quite weird.
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing after I saw a video on the traditional Tibetan method of sky burial that uses vultures.
I think that's where I must of first heard about the idea. I believe there are feeding fields for human burials in the USA, I'm just not exactly sure where. In my town, we have a lot of vultures. I've always found them fascinating. From time to time, we'll see them sitting with our male cat.
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.... From time to time, we'll see them sitting with our male cat.
That's interesting. A scientist who studies wolves decided to eat with them. As long as he ate only meat the wolves respected him and treated him as one of the pack (and if he ate the liver they treated him as the alpha male). But if he ate any plant foods, they would growl at him. I'm starting to wonder if this is not an isolated phenomenon. Maybe most or all carnivores respect each other in some way. Granted, they fight and kill each other too when they compete for a kill or encroach on territory.
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Link please?
This is a boost to Aajonus' credibility.
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Kiss and Howl: This Man Is a Wolf’s Best Friend
By SUSAN STEWART
http://movies.nytimes.com/2007/04/16/arts/television/16wolv.html
Shaun Ellis doesn't have a PhD, apparently, so technically he is called an "animal researcher" instead of a scientist.
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lol am i the only one who believed his great wolf experience, i just rationalised we all do crazy things at times, or brilliant theyre both the same lol
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"next they’re ripping up your face with their love bites. (When this happens, Mr. Ellis says wolf saliva heals his cuts faster than conventional medicine.)" ...
This is how we'll eat in the future, not with plates & knives, but through the ecology of the animals around us, running in packs with other animals & galloping with gazelles, naturally eating what nature chooses for us, interacting with natures ecological cycles, through its animals, in order to help us back to our own natural instincts & natural primacy
giving back to the earth in the form of ecological cycles within cycles, hunting packs within packs & nourishing & recreating the soil with the remains of our food
disposing of any real living food in a plastic bin is a travesty
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Mr. Ellis says wolf saliva heals his cuts faster than conventional medicine.
The saliva of zero carbers must be like wolf saliva, as our teeth stay white, need no brushing, get stronger and like that.
Anyone with university contacts might consider suggesting this to a biologist, as there could be some of that lovely grant money in it.
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The saliva of zero carbers must be like wolf saliva, as our teeth stay white, need no brushing, get stronger and like that.
Anyone with university contacts might consider suggesting this to a biologist, as there could be some of that lovely grant money in it.
It's already been researched, plenty of studies on it out there, its the bacteria in the saliva, combined with enzymes & amylase or something lol
But it does prove transporting & using biological agents in their natural ecological states, heal better then any isolated or synthesised medicine. also applies to broadspectrum agents, such as garlic etc., intact natural colonies are needed to heal, living cells
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It's already been researched, plenty of studies on it out there, its the bacteria in the saliva, combined with enzymes & amylase or something lol
But it does prove transporting & using biological agents in their natural ecological states, heal better then any isolated or synthesised medicine. also applies to broadspectrum agents, such as garlic etc., intact natural colonies are needed to heal, living cells
The saliva of zero carbers must be like wolf saliva, as our teeth stay white, need no brushing, get stronger and like that.
Anyone with university contacts might consider suggesting this to a biologist, as there could be some of that lovely grant money in it.
I've always heard that when dogs lick people, it helps them heal. That dogs have lots of quick recirculating saliva.
Anyone have experience that they want to share having used their ZC saliva to help others to heal from injuries? If so, do you think your saliva did help? And did they heal?
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I've heard of saliva cures on skin symptoms with normal SAD people.
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I've heard of saliva cures on skin symptoms with normal SAD people.
I'm allergic to my saliva, for a day after I take a bite of something SAD, like bread. Otherwise my saliva doesn't give me a problem.
Where might you have heard of the saliva cures? Which skin symptoms did the saliva alleviate? Itchiness? Or more than that?
I had problems with cooked proteins. When I became allergic (on vegan diet) to just about all denatured proteins, I had to learn a bunch of more views on my road to health. I learned a little energy trick that can make a person who is allergic to their own saliva, to not react to it.
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I'm allergic to my saliva, for a day after I take a bite of something SAD, like bread. Otherwise my saliva doesn't give me a problem.
Where might you have heard of the saliva cures? Which skin symptoms did the saliva alleviate? Itchiness? Or more than that?
I had problems with cooked proteins. When I became allergic (on vegan diet) to just about all denatured proteins, I had to learn a bunch of more views on my road to health. I learned a little energy trick that can make a person who is allergic to their own saliva, to not react to it.
lol what are your symptoms for the saliva allergy ... being allergic to your saliva is a bit like saying your allergic to your own blood or pee lol
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lol what are your symptoms for the saliva allergy ... being allergic to your saliva is a bit like saying your allergic to your own blood or pee lol
When I eat wrong food I get allergic to my own blood too. I was very sick.
My mouth, throat and lips were swollen from the saliva allergy, and if I put my finger in my mouth: my finger would break out in a rash and itch.
I don't think I've ever been allergic to my pee, but I have practiced amaroli to help cure myself. I was vegan then. Works really well for raw fruitarians. Helps them with getting enough/recycling protein.
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... I don't think I've ever been allergic to my pee, but I have practiced amaroli to help cure myself. I was vegan then. Works really well for raw fruitarians. Helps them with getting enough/recycling protein.
Yes, before the development of commercial vitamin supplements, traditional vegetarians and vegans apparently used to advocate amaroli and/or coprophagia to get some of the nutrients that are lacking in plant-heavy diets. Years ago I saw a vegetarian Indian leader (I forget if he was a spiritual leader or a politician) who advocated amaroli on the 60 Minutes tv program.
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Yes, before the development of commercial vitamin supplements, traditional vegetarians and vegans apparently used to advocate amaroli and/or coprophagia to get some of the nutrients that are lacking in plant-heavy diets. Years ago I saw a vegetarian Indian leader (I forget if he was a spiritual leader or a politician) who advocated amaroli on the 60 Minutes tv program.
LOL yes, in a famous vegan restaurant, I picked a book up off their shelf of what to read with your meal. The book had therapies of both substances written about in detail. I've never used poop to treat myself with, yet. Maybe if I would have, I could have continued to be vegan. I just can't bring myself to eat poop. Not intentionally anyway. I just can't imagine it.
60 Minutes should do one on coprophagia. I know the treatment is still used in vegetarians who refuse commercial supplements. I refuse commercial supplements too, so I understand their stance.
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LOL yes, in a famous vegan restaurant, I picked a book up off their shelf of what to read with your meal. The book had therapies of both substances written about in detail. I've never used poop to treat myself with, yet. Maybe if I would have, I could have continued to be vegan. I just can't bring myself to eat poop. Not intentionally anyway. I just can't imagine it.
60 Minutes should do one on coprophagia. I know the treatment is still used in vegetarians who refuse commercial supplements. I refuse commercial supplements too, so I understand their stance.
Yes, the vegans/vegetarians who fare worst tend to be moderners who aren't aware of the traditional knowledge and think they're diet is so good that they don't need any such supplements as urine or poo or vitamin pills to replace the nutrients which were plentiful in Paleo times that their diets lack. I find eating wild and pasture-fed animal foods to be a far preferable option. :) I'll bet there would be a lot fewer Americans becoming vegetarians and vegans if they heard about how to do it properly from cultures with a much longer history of the practice like Hindu vegetarians. :)
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I'll bet there would be a lot fewer Americans becoming vegetarians and vegans if they heard about how to do it properly from cultures with a much longer history of the practice like Hindu vegetarians. :)
There is also a physiological conditioning required to sustain the yogi - yoga, in the true sense - which regulates breathing, heart rate & circulation, digestion, etc with biorhythmic focus; and the caste system provides social structure for the practice
A yogi doesn't eat vegetarian/vegan and then go off to work under artificial light and deal with people all day, or jog a mile, or undergo pregnancy, or stay up late watching TV...
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Good points. Many generations of dealing with such a difficult diet has probably taught them many tricks. It amazes me how so many young Americans adopt what they consider a vegetarian or vegan diet and within months start talking as if they are experts on it after reading the latest fad book on it, without ever inquiring with the people who have been doing it longest.