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Title: Which RawDiet is Most Oxygenating & Where's the Proof?
Post by: RawZi on January 21, 2010, 05:01:26 am
My brain seems to feel oxygenated on a deeper level with RAF's. Is RawZC one of the most oxygenating raw diets? If so, how? Please if you can and you don't mind, explain. If it's not and you know, tell me why too. I am still not sure about some things in RawZC, but this may be another positive. Who knows? Where are there writings on this?
Title: Re: Which RawDiet is Most Oxygenating & Where's the Proof?
Post by: roony on January 21, 2010, 07:56:08 am
erm, the more blood flow & circulation to the brain, the more oxygen to the brain, liver & organs in general increases your blood flow
the best way to oxygenate your body is by aerating your body, ie exercise or cayenne
Title: Re: Which RawDiet is Most Oxygenating & Where's the Proof?
Post by: RawZi on January 21, 2010, 08:03:52 am
the best way to oxygenate your body is by aerating your body, ie exercise or cayenne
Thank you roony for the great response! I agree, aside from which diet, exercise is just about the greatest way to oxygenate.
Cayenne on the other hand, I know it's a quick circulation remedy, but it might thin the bones if used every single day. I'm not sure the cayenne would give the most advantage with oxygen, if not done regularly.
I kind of want to know whether raw vegan, raw vegetarian, raw breatharian, raw lactarian, raw omni or raw zc can have scientific advantages oxygen-wise for the animal or human body over all the other diets.
What thoughts do you have of zc as a diet? and effect on oxygen? Any? It's ok if with me if you say it's bad. I tend to adore my carbs. I know I feel good with raw meats too. I am pretty flexible though.
Title: Re: Which RawDiet is Most Oxygenating & Where's the Proof?
Post by: roony on January 21, 2010, 08:13:30 am
whichever increases the most amount of blood, liver & organs rapidly increase your existing blood levels, nothing else really comes close, zerocarb diet
the concept of oxygenating is a bit flawed tho, as oxygen is an oxidizer
Aereating is far more accurate, as it forces your whole body to breath, & process oxygen correctly
To oxygenate correctly you'd also need huge amounts of antioxidants to combat the free radicals formed from oxidising
My favourite antioxidants are soils & sediments like clay or charcoal & animal fats
Also can you provide any links or quotes for cayenne bone thinning?
thnx
Title: Re: Which RawDiet is Most Oxygenating & Where's the Proof?
Post by: RawZi on January 21, 2010, 08:28:06 am
My favourite antioxidants are soils & sediments like clay or charcoal & animal fats
Also can you provide any links or quotes for cayenne bone thinning?
thnx
Thank you! I was going to ask you about the first.
Don't know where right now, but I'll show you a start. I do believe that ingesting any kind of nightshade pepper takes calcium from bones and teeth and puts it places like kidneys, joints, those horrible knots under the skin some people sometimes get, heel spurs, etc. Applying peppers on the skin draws excess calcium up to the skin out through the pores. That's one reason why a lot of people on raw paleo diet avoid eating all nightshades, aside from the fact they didn't get peppers till they got to the Americas.
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Get hot on hot pepper cream. Research shows you can ease the pain by rubbing the joint with an over-the-counter ointment called Zostrix, made from capsaicin--the stuff that puts the hot in hot peppers. "You need to apply it three or four times a day on the affected area for at least two weeks before you'll see any improvement. An initial burning sensation at the site is not unusual for the first few days, but this goes away with continued application," says Esther Lipstein-Kresch, M.D., an assistant professor of medicine at the Albert Einstein College of Medicine of Yeshiva University in New York City who has done research at Queens Hospital Center in Jamaica, New York, and who has studied the effectiveness of capsaicin cream. "I also advise washing your hands immediately after you apply it--or even wearing gloves when you apply it--because it can sting and you don't want to get it in your eyes." (Sorry, but eating hot peppers won't help relieve arthritis.)
Title: Re: Which RawDiet is Most Oxygenating & Where's the Proof?
Post by: RawZi on January 21, 2010, 08:45:44 am
the concept of oxygenating is a bit flawed tho, as oxygen is an oxidizer
Aereating is far more accurate, as it forces your whole body to breath, & process oxygen correctly
To oxygenate correctly you'd also need huge amounts of antioxidants thnx
Oxygenating, oxidative stress, oxidizing, rusting, they are not all the same. Raw food helps oxygenation. Hydrogen peroxide "eats up" oxygen (it essentially rusts things/us if we partake). Irritation from some food constituents, certain stress and at least some endocrine problems which can be affected by food may reduce proper oxygenation in the body (meaning the foods will oxidize you). Some exercises help you oxygenate better than other exercises do. You gotta see at least both sides on each issue to more fully understand everything.
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So a trypsin inhibitor will irritate your pancreas, stressing it to produce hormones when it can’t, leading to decreased oxygenation from the irritation. Soy prevents the protein you eat from being fully utilized and digested. Your immune system can’t get fueled with proper antibodies and lymphocytes — a double whammy. Therefore, soy is cancer-causing to your pancreas and cancer of the pancreas is typically a death sentence.
Title: Re: Which RawDiet is Most Oxygenating & Where's the Proof?
Post by: roony on January 21, 2010, 09:13:05 am
hmm your needlessly over complicating the issue, basically if your body cant aerate properly, you'll get free radical issues from stuff like glycation, which leads to stuff like stress
stress doesnt cause oxidation, its your bodies inability to handle & process the large amounts of oxygen your brain needs in stressful situations, you'll get glycation etc occurring, basically youre not generating enough antioxidants to process the extra amount of oxygen correctly
Glycation & other free radical causatives are caused by poor circulation & low amount of blood supplies, blood vessels not only supply oxygen but also process oxygen
Aeration or exercise is a remedy, but is not a solution, as all it does is increase blood circulation & oxygen throughout the body, it is completely incapable of processing & filtering oxygen, thats your organs & vasceolur's job
The only way to cure oxidaton & free radical damage, is to force your body to process & expel oxygen from the body correctly, before it causes damage, by increasing the levels of blood in your body & antioxidants from fats & detoxants like clays sediments, charcoal etc.
Title: Re: Which RawDiet is Most Oxygenating & Where's the Proof?
Post by: klowcarb on January 21, 2010, 10:55:01 am
I don't know about oxidyzing. I will say that I started ZC in March and was eating cooked ZC. I progressively went more and more raw, until in September I started the raw GB (except for eating a very rare steak at a restaurant). I DO feel more energetic and my workouts are better. Am I getting more nutrients and oxygen?
Title: Re: Which RawDiet is Most Oxygenating & Where's the Proof?
Post by: roony on January 21, 2010, 11:00:09 am
raw gb?
Title: Re: Which RawDiet is Most Oxygenating & Where's the Proof?
Post by: klowcarb on January 21, 2010, 11:03:05 am
Overcomplicating, that is being done here. I have gotten a full consult by aajonus. The only oxygenation problem I have in my body is that there are toxins in the lining of my brain, sometimes preventing enough oxygen to my brain. Otherwise, as far as oxygen, I am fine.
As for the skin, my skin looks close to a prepubescent person who has never had acne. I don't think I have that long list of ploblems you enumerated just above using the word "you" and refering to "me" RawZi it likely seems. I have not gotten operations nor face peel treatment. I have not used moisturizer in more than a decade. I am most likely older than most of the people on this entire forum. And I wash my skin with chlorine tap water.
Title: Re: Which RawDiet is Most Oxygenating & Where's the Proof?
Post by: roony on January 21, 2010, 11:20:30 am
Overcomplicating, that is being done here. I have gotten a full consult by aajonus. The only oxygenation problem I have in my body is that there are toxins in the lining of my brain, sometimes preventing enough oxygen to my brain. Otherwise, as far as oxygen, I am fine.
As for the skin, my skin looks close to a prepubescent person who has never had acne. I don't think I have that long list of ploblems you enumerated just above using the word "you" and refering to "me" RawZi it likely seems. I have not gotten operations nor face peel treatment. I have not used moisturizer in more than a decade. I am most likely older than most of the people on this entire forum. And I wash my skin with chlorine tap water.
I'm almost tempted to tell you to detox your scalp with some clay or charcoal in that case ...
I wasnt referring to anyone i was simply expounding, i dont attack ppl on forums lol
Title: Re: Which RawDiet is Most Oxygenating & Where's the Proof?
Post by: roony on January 21, 2010, 11:28:50 am
I don't know about oxidyzing. I will say that I started ZC in March and was eating cooked ZC. I progressively went more and more raw, until in September I started the raw GB (except for eating a very rare steak at a restaurant). I DO feel more energetic and my workouts are better. Am I getting more nutrients and oxygen?
I'm not sure why so many beginners are using raw ground beef, ground beef oxidises rapidly, you also end up absorbing metals from the grinder ... you're much better off slicing your meat into small chunks
also never buy ground beef, as butchers fill it with cereals or some other crap
You need to add organs & raw fats, as lean meat on its own can lead to unpleasant side effects, i wouldnt consider lean meats on their own a complete meal, check the beginners section klowcarb
Title: Re: Which RawDiet is Most Oxygenating & Where's the Proof?
Post by: RawZi on January 21, 2010, 11:55:25 am
I'm almost tempted to tell you to detox your scalp with some clay or charcoal in that case ...
I wasnt referring to anyone i was simply expounding, i dont attack ppl on forums lol
I was on RAFs over two years before someone told me to wash my hair with egg instead of water alone or shampoo. It took me quite a while after that before I tried the eggs. My hair has gotten so thick since I started RAFs, that I was concerned the egg may be hard to rinse out. I finally started using egg, and it does clean very well, and rinse out pretty well from my hair. I will think about using clay and charcoal to wash. I had actually thought clay a while ago, but am waiting.
Ok, good :) It took me time to learn to make sure I'm never misunderstood. It was not too many years before I started my RAFs. Actually, I find more people who are long time raw paleo people who explain themselves in such a manner that they cannot be misunderstood, than any other people expressing themselves.
I apologize if it seemed I was attacking back.
Title: Re: Which RawDiet is Most Oxygenating & Where's the Proof?
Post by: RawZi on January 21, 2010, 12:00:20 pm
I'm not sure why so many beginners are using raw ground beef, ...
I was told ground beef is the best way to start, by the person who introduced me to RAFs (they were never a guru btw). So I tried excellent quality fresh raw high fat ground beef. I was disapponted by it, but not so much as not to ever eat raw beef again. I rarely get beef anyway, I don't like the smell very much. I love the smell of buffalo.
You talk about putting butter on the skin here and there all over. I know someone detoxing their scalp using butter on it. Do you think I should try it with my thick hair? I don't want it to be stuck in making my scalp smell cheesy. The butter applied to and cleansed from the scalp properly might help me oxygenate my brain better, right?
Title: Re: Which RawDiet is Most Oxygenating & Where's the Proof?
Post by: roony on January 21, 2010, 12:17:11 pm
I was told ground beef is the best way to start, by the person who introduced me to RAFs (they were never a guru btw). So I tried excellent quality fresh raw high fat ground beef. I was disapponted by it, but not so much as not to ever eat raw beef again. I rarely get beef anyway, I don't like the smell very much. I love the smell of buffalo.
You talk about putting butter on the skin here and there all over. I know someone detoxing their scalp using butter on it. Do you think I should try it with my thick hair? I don't want it to be stuck in making my scalp smell cheesy. The butter applied to and cleansed from the scalp properly might help me oxygenate my brain better, right?
yes, definitely try some raw egg too, i highly recommend charcoal for the scalp though, but its a pain to get out of your hair lol, butter & charcoals the best combination ive found so far
If anyone knows a good way of getting charcoal out of hair, wld be great lol
Buffalo's great, get the tougher cheaper cuts & try & get hold of some buffalo fat, not sure what its called, or ask for the fattiest cuts, also get organ meat as soon as possible, eating lean meats without organs isnt very healthy, it has unpleasant side effects
Title: Re: Which RawDiet is Most Oxygenating & Where's the Proof?
Post by: RawZi on January 21, 2010, 12:27:02 pm
If anyone knows a good way of getting charcoal out of hair, wld be great lol
Buffalo's great, get the tougher cheaper cuts & try & get hold of some buffalo fat, not sure what its called, or ask for the fattiest cuts, also get organ meat as soon as possible, eating lean meats without organs isnt very healthy, it has unpleasant side effects
When I try charcoal, I'll tell you here how I wind up getting it out, and if I notice feeling more oxygenated or not. Which ways have you tried cleaning it out of yours so far?
I eat raw bison marrow, backfat, suet, glands and organs. In the Spring I've arranged to try raw buffalo milk and buffalo whole fat raw yogurt.
I never in my life believed in lean meats/muscle meats alone. If I ever had to eat it, it gave me a terrible headache. Also, if your meat isn't grass grazed, don't eat its fat, organs, skin nor glands.
Title: Re: Which RawDiet is Most Oxygenating & Where's the Proof?
Post by: TylerDurden on January 21, 2010, 07:20:57 pm
I don't see how raw zc is more oxidising. As for me, I get greater mental alertness when including a lot of raw animal foods in my diet. But after 2 weeks on RZC, my mental alertness drops like a stone.
Title: Re: Which RawDiet is Most Oxygenating & Where's the Proof?
Post by: roony on January 21, 2010, 08:51:03 pm
oh my bad, i thought raw zero carb was another type of raw meat diet, i'll have to go look it up lol
erm no, the zerocarb diet is too mono, you need a large amount of organs & fats to build your vascolur system, eating a limited range of fatty muscle meats is actually bad for your health
Also he doesnt include high meats, so no zerocarb is no where as good as a regular RP diet
I just use a large dry towel to get the charcoal out of my hair, takes about 10 minutes, but i have short hair, takes ages lol
Yes use butter all over, combine it with marrow or suet, the charcoal will deodarise, that is stop the butter & marrow from smelling cheesy, use small amounts of charcoal .... a small amount at the tip of your finger is enough to cover one half of your face
wash the charcoaled area then Wipe the charcoal off with a dry towel, then apply the butter etc., this is the best way to use charcoal unless you enjoy looking like a charcoal miner lol
Butter up everyone!! lol
Butter EVERYONE, all your relatives, your pets, kids etc., slippery relatives rock lol
Title: Re: Which RawDiet is Most Oxygenating & Where's the Proof?
Post by: Paleo Donk on January 21, 2010, 09:03:50 pm
I am most likely older than most of the people on this entire forum
Pics for verification would be appropriate.
Title: Re: Which RawDiet is Most Oxygenating & Where's the Proof?
Post by: jessica on January 21, 2010, 10:17:46 pm
i think the pic of rawzis feet told all good toe spread, skinny ankles....:)
as for oxygenation carbohydrates are converted into CO2 in our system and it is the work of our organs(skin, liver, kidneys) to rid us of this noxious gas...that is why many people have acne after high carb food.....so the less carbs in the diet the less time these organs are spending processing and respiring this waste product i know that roony is partially right that clay is help to rid the waste products of protein from the system(urea/uric acid) because the salts help to neutralize the acidity and also nourish the system, i also believe that within the digestive cavities of the intestines it is the necessary job of the microorganism, bacteria and possible parasite to further the breakdown of the proteins and fat into what we can benefit from and what we should pass..... i think in taking great care health with a low to no carb diet and also taking excellent care of the skin to allow for maximum exposure to fresh air and to let the CO2 escape from the skin(minimal bulky clothing, as much skin showing as weather/temp permits) and exercise of the muscles as well as the lungs through conscious breathing are the best ways to assist and enrich the blood, muscles, organs and brain with oxygen:)
Title: Re: Which RawDiet is Most Oxygenating & Where's the Proof?
Post by: William on January 21, 2010, 10:22:12 pm
oh my bad, i thought raw zero carb was another type of raw meat diet, i'll have to go look it up lol
erm no, the zerocarb diet is too mono, you need a large amount of organs & fats to build your vascolur system, eating a limited range of fatty muscle meats is actually bad for your health
Also he doesnt include high meats, so no zerocarb is no where as good as a regular RP diet
Zero carb is about 80% fat by calories, varying on the state of the body.
Those who are eating a limited range of fatty muscle meats do at least as well in terms of health as anyone else. Even those on cooked zero carb do well. See ZIOH, including the pemmican thread.
Title: Re: Which RawDiet is Most Oxygenating & Where's the Proof?
Post by: jessica on January 21, 2010, 10:27:30 pm
i think the pic of rawzis feet told all good toe spread, skinny ankles....:)
as for oxygenation carbohydrates are converted into CO2 in our system and it is the work of our organs(skin, liver, kidneys) to rid us of this noxious gas...that is why many people have acne after high carb food.....so the less carbs in the diet the less time these organs are spending processing and respiring this waste product i know that roony is partially right that clay is help to rid the waste products of protein from the system(urea/uric acid) because the salts help to neutralize the acidity and also nourish the system, i also believe that within the digestive cavities of the intestines it is the necessary job of the microorganism, bacteria and possibly parasites to further the breakdown of the proteins and fat into what we can benefit from and what we should pass..... i think in taking great care health with a low to no carb diet and also taking excellent care of the skin to allow for maximum exposure to fresh air and to let the CO2 escape from the skin(minimal bulky clothing, as much skin showing as weather/temp permits) and exercise of the muscles as well as the lungs through conscious breathing are the best ways to assist and enrich the blood, muscles, organs and brain with oxygen:)
Title: Re: Which RawDiet is Most Oxygenating & Where's the Proof?
Post by: klowcarb on January 22, 2010, 02:40:36 am
I'm not sure why so many beginners are using raw ground beef, ground beef oxidises rapidly, you also end up absorbing metals from the grinder ... you're much better off slicing your meat into small chunks
also never buy ground beef, as butchers fill it with cereals or some other crap
You need to add organs & raw fats, as lean meat on its own can lead to unpleasant side effects, i wouldnt consider lean meats on their own a complete meal, check the beginners section klowcarb
I'm not a beginner, but thanks for the advice. I feel just great on raw ground beef and there are no cereals added to my beef. It is fresh ground at the market--I see them grinding it. I would not call 80/20 and 75/25 meat "lean."
Title: Re: Which RawDiet is Most Oxygenating & Where's the Proof?
Post by: Paleo Donk on January 22, 2010, 03:15:35 am
Zero carb is about 80% fat by calories, varying on the state of the body.
Those who are eating a limited range of fatty muscle meats do at least as well in terms of health as anyone else. Even those on cooked zero carb do well. See ZIOH, including the pemmican thread.
There are an abudance of people who do quite well on cooked grain-fed meats on ZIOH. I check their journal section often as I get lots of value out of seeing the experience of others. Not everyone fairs well though, and the long time member Martin(kzantal) seems to have fared among the worst. I enjoy checking the journals of the members that are having bad experiences as I gain more insight on peoples failures than their triumphs.
Martin seems to be a rare case in that hes tried many different approahes including extended pemmican, raw meat, cooked meat, lots of HCL tabs with nothing working permanently. He got so frustrated yesterday that he might be ditching the board for good. It seems like if he could visit this board he could find even more potential combinations such as eating lot of raw organs or trying a clay/charcoal combination or eating some high meat or lots of raw eggs etc..
Title: Re: Which RawDiet is Most Oxygenating & Where's the Proof?
Post by: roony on January 22, 2010, 03:24:10 am
Zero carb is about 80% fat by calories, varying on the state of the body.
Those who are eating a limited range of fatty muscle meats do at least as well in terms of health as anyone else. Even those on cooked zero carb do well. See ZIOH, including the pemmican thread.
hi, sorry but that claims been refuted by plenty of raw paleoists, who've tried subsisting on lean meats, even if theyre fatty, without organs, just doesnt work, lean fatty meats, are too monocultured in nutrition to give the broad spectrum of nutrition your body needs to regenerate.
Liver has a MASSIVE amount of nutrients compared to lean fatty meats, trying to live on lean meats even with fats, is unhealthy because you drastically limit the range of nutrition you ingest, pointless diet.
I've tried living on fatty cuts of meats without organs & its almost impossible, the cravings & energy swings are nuts ...
As for a cooked zerocarb diet being healthy .... no comment lol
Title: Re: Which RawDiet is Most Oxygenating & Where's the Proof?
Post by: Paleo Donk on January 22, 2010, 03:31:29 am
Roony,
There are literally hundreds of members on the ZIOH forum that eat almost nothing but cooked meat and water and are thriving so your claim about needing organs, at least in the short run, is not true for everyone. It is mostly documented in their "on you" section so you can read for yourself.
Perhaps deficiences will arise down the road but for now many people are doing very well. I too would suggest eating organs and trying other things as well as it makes more sense to me but their all muscle meat plan seems to be working. I'd also mention that I don't necessarily advocate their philosophy just that their way of eating does work.
Also to add, yes there are many people that will have problems with zero carb like yourself as it does not seem to work for everyone.
Title: Re: Which RawDiet is Most Oxygenating & Where's the Proof?
Post by: William on January 22, 2010, 03:56:25 am
I've tried living on fatty cuts of meats without organs & its almost impossible, the cravings & energy swings are nuts ...
Cravings are caused by low fat. Energy changes are inevitable when changing from sugar burning to fat burning - it takes time, from weeks to months, depending.
Title: Re: Which RawDiet is Most Oxygenating & Where's the Proof?
Post by: roony on January 22, 2010, 04:53:12 am
Cravings are caused by low fat. Energy changes are inevitable when changing from sugar burning to fat burning - it takes time, from weeks to months, depending.
What makes you think cravings are simply caused by low fat ...
I was eating the fattiest cuts possible with plenty of butter & cream
Lean meat even with fats, are too monocultured to be considered a whole food
Title: Re: Which RawDiet is Most Oxygenating & Where's the Proof?
Post by: William on January 22, 2010, 05:19:01 am
What makes you think cravings are simply caused by low fat ...
I was eating the fattiest cuts possible with plenty of butter & cream
Lean meat even with fats, are too monocultured to be considered a whole food
Experience. The fattiest cuts of meat I can find in a store were too lean; dairy is allergenic for many of us, including me.
Monocultured? Until I do the wild man thing and start eating whole frogs, mice, bugs, bats, beaver, rabbit etc. raw grass-finished organic beef+tallow will have to do.
Title: Re: Which RawDiet is Most Oxygenating & Where's the Proof?
Post by: roony on January 22, 2010, 07:57:59 am
lol im not suggesting you need to hunt roadkill, im simply stating you need the full range of nutrition, you just need to include organs, as muscle meats dont contain the nutrition organs do necessary to regenerate health & heal disease optimally
I'm not putting down tallow or whatever, if you dont want to eat organs great, but those are the facts, if you want to disagree then fine, but do it with some evidence pls
Title: Re: Which RawDiet is Most Oxygenating & Where's the Proof?
Post by: William on January 22, 2010, 08:04:42 am
muscle meats dont contain the nutrition organs do necessary to regenerate health & heal disease optimally
I'm not putting down tallow or whatever, if you dont want to eat organs great, but those are the facts, if you want to disagree then fine, but do it with some evidence pls
It's your proposition, it's up to you to support it, after people have proven the opposite.
Title: Re: Which RawDiet is Most Oxygenating & Where's the Proof?
Post by: aunaturale on January 22, 2010, 08:51:19 am
lol im not suggesting you need to hunt roadkill, im simply stating you need the full range of nutrition, you just need to include organs, as muscle meats dont contain the nutrition organs do necessary to regenerate health & heal disease optimally
I'm not putting down tallow or whatever, if you dont want to eat organs great, but those are the facts, if you want to disagree then fine, but do it with some evidence pls
People on this forum need to start thinking and acting like a caveman!!!!!! If you were out in the wild, obviously you'd be hunting. Thats not a question. You certainly would not let nothing goes to waste!!!!! NOTHING
'Like nourishes like' For me, no dairy minimal vegetables (cooked, maybe in a soup or stew) raw tallow, suet, marrow raw meats, no lean meat though none of this lean s**t, picture a killed elk or other large land animal in front of you, theres plenty of fat and protein. You're not going straight for one. also, no nuts or seeds (these are more agricultural-type foods, found more commonly later in time) cant imagine caveman soaking these
Title: Re: Which RawDiet is Most Oxygenating & Where's the Proof?
Post by: roony on January 22, 2010, 08:59:57 am
People on this forum need to start thinking and acting like a caveman!!!!!! If you were out in the wild, obviously you'd be hunting. Thats not a question. You certainly would not let nothing goes to waste!!!!! NOTHING
'Like nourishes like' For me, no dairy minimal vegetables (cooked, maybe in a soup or stew) raw tallow, suet, marrow raw meats, no lean meat though none of this lean s**t, picture a killed elk or other large land animal in front of you, theres plenty of fat and protein. You're not going straight for one. also, no nuts or seeds (these are more agricultural-type foods, found more commonly later in time) cant imagine caveman soaking these
Great post, eat like a natural instinctive person
All animals & all forms of primacy realise the need for broad spectrum meats, & nutrition, they dont run around picking nutritionally monoculture'd meats, all meats & organs are complete ecological cycles,
Title: Re: Which RawDiet is Most Oxygenating & Where's the Proof?
Post by: aunaturale on January 22, 2010, 09:06:30 am
All animals & all forms of primacy realise the need for broad spectrum meats, & nutrition, they dont run around picking nutritionally monoculture'd meats, all meats & organs are complete ecological cycles,
Well said Roony. In laymans terms, think act but most importantly eat like a beast devour everything in sight. you know those eyeballs look tempting ;)
Title: Re: Which RawDiet is Most Oxygenating & Where's the Proof?
Post by: roony on January 22, 2010, 09:29:39 am
Well said Roony. In laymans terms, think act but most importantly eat like a beast devour everything in sight. you know those eyeballs look tempting ;)
You're beast like nourish for like is great too, can we avoid butchers to sanitise our meat for us? Cleaning out intestines etc., as a caveman i say no
Title: Re: Which RawDiet is Most Oxygenating & Where's the Proof?
Post by: aunaturale on January 22, 2010, 09:44:41 am
You're beast like nourish for like is great too, can we avoid butchers to sanitise our meat for us? Cleaning out intestines etc., as a caveman i say no
think about it, raw probiotics you didn't hear it from me ;)
everything a human needs is found in nature. Our Creator set mankind up very nicely. To know that the majority of people nowadays are turning atheist is disgusting and wrong. big bang theory my ass!!!!! its a theory for a good reason
....but religion and faith, thats a whole 'nother issue
Title: Re: Which RawDiet is Most Oxygenating & Where's the Proof?
Post by: PaleoPhil on January 22, 2010, 10:17:18 am
I'm not sure why so many beginners are using raw ground beef, ground beef oxidises rapidly, you also end up absorbing metals from the grinder ... you're much better off slicing your meat into small chunks
also never buy ground beef, as butchers fill it with cereals or some other crap
I buy only pasture-fed beef from quality sources in my own or adjacent states and the ground version is the only kind I can afford (whole cuts all cost much more per pound in my local markets). The fact that it's pre-ground is also a time savings, though that is just a beneficial side effect, not the main reason I bought it. Despite what some here claim, I also find ground meat to be the easier and faster to eat for me than the alternative cuts the markets sell and it gives me more fat than the other cuts (which tend to be lean steaks and tough cuts of meat intended for stews or tenderizing). I've never had a problem with pasture-fed ground beef and I'm not concerned if small amounts of metal get into it (selenium, which is rich in wild and pasture-fed animal flesh, helps to detox metals, BTW).
I'm not concerned about oxidation because I actually intentionally oxidize some of my meat into high meat and eat the rotted meat. I find it more important to avoid de-oxidation (anaerobic bacteria and anaerobic cancer cells) than oxidation. Indeed, the thread topic was about trying to eat a MORE oxygenated diet, not less. I recommend that anyone interested in this topic read about Warburg's work on the subject. Rosedale was also mentioned.
I haven't bought a big freezer or meat grinder yet, because I may be moving soon. Some day I plan on doing so and will then probably do something like what Lex is doing, including grinding meat, organs and fat myself.
I do also make and eat jerky from cheap supermarket steak to give my mouth a workout and as a tasty treat and publicly semi-acceptable convenience food. I also occasionally make raw pemmican from the jerky, but it's too time-consuming to bother with beyond special occasions.
Many people report eating supermarket ground beef without any problems, but I want the higher levels of vitamins A, K2 and D3 in pasture-fed meats and I much prefer the taste. Pasture-fed meats also give me more of the mildly euphoric well-being feeling, which tells me that they're probably healthier for me (of course, it could be psychological, but it was unexpected). Pasture fed meats also tend to be raised in more humane and environmentally sound ways.
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You need to add organs & raw fats, as lean meat on its own can lead to unpleasant side effects, i wouldnt consider lean meats on their own a complete meal, check the beginners section klowcarb
Ground beef contains fat as well as lean muscle meat, though I add fat to mine to bring the % calories as fat up to 70-85%, though I don't measure it precisely. Katelyn, did you ever tell me what the % of calories as fat in your ground beef is?
Lex, someone said you have a fat-meter that measures the % of fat in ground meat. Is it worth getting?
Title: Re: Which RawDiet is Most Oxygenating & Where's the Proof?
Post by: klowcarb on January 23, 2010, 08:38:51 am
Phil, I'm eating 80/20 and 75/25 right now. I keep my Fitday records, and each day I get, if the ground beef is consistent, between 72-74% of my daily calories from fat, the rest protein. I feel great! :D
Title: Re: Which RawDiet is Most Oxygenating & Where's the Proof?
Post by: PaleoPhil on January 23, 2010, 10:11:12 am
Phil, I'm eating 80/20 and 75/25 right now. I keep my Fitday records, and each day I get, if the ground beef is consistent, between 72-74% of my daily calories from fat, the rest protein. I feel great! :D
OK, that sounds like a good level. I'm getting gradually better at digesting fat, so I've been gradually upping my own fat intake % and I feel better when I eat more fat. I should measure it some time. I know my beef is supposed to be 60% calories as fat, so I'm probably well above that.
Title: Re: Which RawDiet is Most Oxygenating & Where's the Proof?
Post by: klowcarb on January 23, 2010, 11:04:23 am
You might try setting up a Fitday account for yourself. You are like me--we are thin so we need more calories than we feel like eating at times. I feel great at this ratio.
Title: Re: Which RawDiet is Most Oxygenating & Where's the Proof?
Post by: PaleoPhil on January 23, 2010, 11:50:36 am
Thanks, I did that some time ago. I'm not fond of that software. I find it easier to use Nutritiondata, generally, but I have indeed been able to put on some weight as I've increased my % fat intake and tried to make sure I eat 2 pounds or more of meat and fat per day. While counting calories may not help in losing weight, it does seem to help in gaining it (although I don't count calories, I just measure out portions).
Title: Re: Which RawDiet is Most Oxygenating & Where's the Proof?
Post by: klowcarb on January 24, 2010, 02:43:39 am
I use nutritiondata as well to see consistency in the figures. I also choose to enter my meats as custom foods so I can continually select them. Lol, right now it is easy each day: 80/20 raw, 75/25 raw, and list the amounts! I kind of find it fun.
Right now I'm planning on keeping my gains. I have my body at the leanness I've wanted for a while--all while going raw since September, I should add, and I am still going up in weights at the gym. I added 5 lbs. to some of my lifts today, in fact, so I am maintaining/gaining strength. That is important to me as an ectomorph--I know you can relate.
BTW, a lot of us carnivores are journaling over at Active Low Carber forum. Moises, the other ectomorph, is journaling there to. You are welcome to come by and say hello, Phil. Let me know if you are ever in the area again--we can meet up for raw steaks, lol.