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Raw Paleo Diet Forums => Hot Topics => Topic started by: DeadRamones on September 20, 2010, 01:53:33 am
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Why is it after having sex, most men want to either leave or have their partner go away?
Every time after sex(any form) I feel the need to be left alone & not bothered. It's nothing personal to my past GF or current. My friends & coworkers all agree that they are the same way.
I'm aware of the chemicals released after the deed is done. What is the evolution theory to this?
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Keeps world from overpopulating.
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I'm not a guy, but I feel the same way sometimes. I think it is you have an intense emotional experience, and then you just want some peace. ;D
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I am exactly the opposite. After "the deed is done" I enjoy cuddling with my partner, sometimes even partaking in intimate conversation.
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Klowcarb- Makes alot of sense!
Eric- I do that as well but it's more out of respect. There's been a few times with my current girl that we just burst out in laughter lol
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Me too, I tend to shut down my computer afterwards.
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I am exactly the opposite. After "the deed is done" I enjoy cuddling with my partner, sometimes even partaking in intimate conversation.
I'm the same.
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I'm the same.
Interesting. In my pre-RAF life, I had always felt similar to DeadRamones and, having discussed it with male friends, found that they'd felt the same. I've always found that the males wanted to 'escape' and the females wanted to cuddle or chat. These days, I probably lean more towards the latter too although, to be honest, not totally exclusively. I wonder if it is related to the loss of nutrients? This may also be further validated, now I think of it, by the fact that I tend to follow Taoist practices now and rarely 'indulge' in 'unlocking the gate'!
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Me too, I tend to shut down my computer afterwards.
lol
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Why is it after having sex, most men want to either leave or have their partner go away?
Every time after sex(any form) I feel the need to be left alone & not bothered. It's nothing personal to my past GF or current. My friends & coworkers all agree that they are the same way.
I'm aware of the chemicals released after the deed is done. What is the evolution theory to this?
I probably don't belong to the "most men" category.
I just feel the need to lie down and rest for some 5 minutes with my partner... at the same time fantasizing if a baby will be produced. Happy time.
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I probably don't belong to the "most men" category.
I just feel the need to lie down and rest for some 5 minutes with my partner... at the same time fantasizing if a baby will be produced. Happy time.
Whilst, perhaps, most of us WORRY about whether a baby will be produced?! :) (particularly with the obvious fertility this diet blesses us with!!)
Me too, I tend to shut down my computer afterwards.
Call me slow but you might have to explain that one to me guys?! :)
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@Michael :o Haha, Your joking right?
I don't have a girlfriend or wife etc. So I end up masturbating to relieve myself.
Since its it bit more arousing to watch porn on the internet, I end up doing that sometimes, which ends up with me shutting down my computer afterward in disgust lol :'(
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Not disgust really lol Just shut it down, because i feel like, ahh im done see ya computer
same as wanting distance from a girl afer sex
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ha ha!! Thanks for the explanation Sully. You confirmed my suspicions of what you were inferring! :) I had not idea the internet was used for such purposes! How naive do I feel?! -[
Hilarious how it still instills those same 'distance from the girl' feelings!!
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"Why is it after having sex, most men want to either leave or have their partner go away?"
Its because you've just given up all your bodies energies by orgasming. If you go full blown orgasm you drain your energy, your chi, and all you do is want to shut off and sleep. Your body gives so much of its energy when you orgasm, which makes sense as your creating a new life. The trick is to learn to become multi orgasmic (yes its possible for men too) and not waste your chi. When you learn this you can have sex for hours, and orgasm many times, and still feel 100% energised afterwards. Its explained fully in the book "The Multi-Orgasmic Man", im about half way through it at the minute ..
http://www.amazon.com/Multi-Orgasmic-Man-Sexual-Secrets-Should/dp/0062513362
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Precisely needs_and_wants! Hence the Taoist practices I mentioned earlier.
Personally, I limit myself to very few ejaculatory orgasms per year now. There are a whole host of books on the subject but I prefer the more traditional taoist reflections and advice rather than some of the modern sensationalist, almost consumerist books on the subject. Done correctly, chi can not only be preserved by certain practices but actually 'gained' during sex with the right partner from the females multiple orgasms! :)
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@Michael :o Haha, Your joking right?
I don't have a girlfriend or wife etc. So I end up masturbating to relieve myself.
Since its it bit more arousing to watch porn on the internet, I end up doing that sometimes, which ends up with me shutting down my computer afterward in disgust lol :'(
I didn't understand this at first either.
Try it with a real girl next time and record your results!
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I didn't understand this at first either.
Try it with a real girl next time and record your results!
True, I need a woman bad. I don't even care of she is on raw paleo anymore. I must feed the need!!
If I don't masturbate, I will end up having wet dream. Can't hold mine back for long.
I am obviously in an unnatural circumstance, in paloe times I would have kids by now wouldn't you think?
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I didn't understand this at first either.
Thanks. I'm glad it wasn't just me gs! :)
Sully, go easy with unlocking the gate! At your age and, obviously, with this wonderful diet you are capable of withstanding far more of it than most men but it's probably still important to retain such energies. I'd recommend reading some of the taoist literature on such matters or even some of the westernised versions such as Daniel Reid's books. Some of the same exercises used in building the 'stamina' required for controlling ejaculation should also help minimise or eradicate the wet dreams.
Still a good idea to 'get that woman and feed that need though'! :)
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Sully- I almost peed myself reading your first comment! Witty
Needs & wants- The lost of energy makes alot of sense. Thanks for the input. I own a similar book like the link you recommend. I must say, it has improved my sex life tremendously!
I do masturbate frequently as a form of sexercise,relaxation & experimenting with my bodies sensitivity. I'm also aware of the loss of energy & nutrients that follows after ejaculating. That's why I save my ejaculations for what ever girl I'm with. There has been a few occasions where me & the girl relax,talk,or laugh together but about 60-80% of the time, I rather have a few minutes to myself.
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Thanks. I'm glad it wasn't just me gs! :)
Sully, go easy with unlocking the gate! At your age and, obviously, with this wonderful diet you are capable of withstanding far more of it than most men but it's probably still important to retain such energies. I'd recommend reading some of the taoist literature on such matters or even some of the westernised versions such as Daniel Reid's books. Some of the same exercises used in building the 'stamina' required for controlling ejaculation should also help minimise or eradicate the wet dreams.
Still a good idea to 'get that woman and feed that need though'! :)
I think "retaining" is for older men like in their 30s, 40s and above.
When I was 18 and in college we joked about the "universal solution".
You did it to wake up when still sleepy.
You did it to go to sleep when not sleepy
Hell I even did it before going on dates to control myself.
I have good experience with raw oysters, I can feel my balls producing juice immediately same day.
Eat raw oysters at lunch, go on a date in the afternoon or evening.
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I have good experience with raw oysters, I can feel my balls producing juice immediately same day.
hahaha :D
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Why is it after having sex, most men want to either leave or have their partner go away?
Every time after sex(any form) I feel the need to be left alone & not bothered. It's nothing personal to my past GF or current. My friends & coworkers all agree that they are the same way.
I'm aware of the chemicals released after the deed is done. What is the evolution theory to this?
I dont know what you are talking about mate. After those backbreaking 2-3 minutes of labour, my woman falls asleep and I start up Cubase. Seriously though. The chemical balance in your brain changes after sex and it does stuff to you. Some want to sleep, my creativity explodes so I want to produce, etc. But I think that's all there is to it.
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Precisely needs_and_wants! Hence the Taoist practices I mentioned earlier.
Personally, I limit myself to very few ejaculatory orgasms per year now. There are a whole host of books on the subject but I prefer the more traditional taoist reflections and advice rather than some of the modern sensationalist, almost consumerist books on the subject. Done correctly, chi can not only be preserved by certain practices but actually 'gained' during sex with the right partner from the females multiple orgasms! :)
Hi Michael, the book IS based on traditional Toaist reflections, although im curious to know what literature/material you have on the subject?
I dont know what you are talking about mate. After those backbreaking 2-3 minutes of labour, my woman falls asleep and I start up Cubase. Seriously though. The chemical balance in your brain changes after sex and it does stuff to you. Some want to sleep, my creativity explodes so I want to produce, etc. But I think that's all there is to it.
A little off topic- but Brother, what do you make? Im also making stuff...
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2-3 minutes of labor?
Maybe you need more minutes of working time to expend your extra energy.
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I think "retaining" is for older men like in their 30s, 40s and above.
Yes, that's certainly true gs. The older one gets the more important it becomes. Although, as you suggest, our incredible diet can reduce these requirements significantly. I've had similar experiences with oysters although raw meats are ordinarily more than sufficient.
2-3 minutes of labor?
Maybe you need more minutes of working time to expend your extra energy.
ha ha :) I'm sure (hope?!) DeadRamones was joking about that.
Hi Michael, the book IS based on traditional Toaist reflections, although im curious to know what literature/material you have on the subject?
Sorry n&w, I didn't mean to imply that your particular book wasn't. It's been some time now since I read that material. I'll try to dig out a few titles.
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A little off topic- but Brother, what do you make? Im also making stuff...
Just some electronic stuff. Mostly prog. trance and drum'n'bass.
Edit: This kind of stuff http://www.speedyshare.com/files/24330771/freshfromDAW.mp3
something I just started out. Nothing is EQ'ed into place, there are no automations besides a hipass on beat1 and bass in the start, no booming sub, nothing. But it gives you the idea. What do you do?
2-3 minutes of labor?
Maybe you need more minutes of working time to expend your extra energy.
Could be!. ;D
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True, I need a woman bad. I don't even care of she is on raw paleo anymore. I must feed the need!!
If I don't masturbate, I will end up having wet dream. Can't hold mine back for long.
I am obviously in an unnatural circumstance, in paloe times I would have kids by now wouldn't you think?
You should take home that woman you met the other day in your video, hell she already gave you money :)
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"Why is it after having sex, most men want to either leave or have their partner go away?"
Its because you've just given up all your bodies energies by orgasming. If you go full blown orgasm you drain your energy, your chi, and all you do is want to shut off and sleep. Your body gives so much of its energy when you orgasm, which makes sense as your creating a new life. The trick is to learn to become multi orgasmic (yes its possible for men too) and not waste your chi. When you learn this you can have sex for hours, and orgasm many times, and still feel 100% energised afterwards. Its explained fully in the book "The Multi-Orgasmic Man", im about half way through it at the minute ..
http://www.amazon.com/Multi-Orgasmic-Man-Sexual-Secrets-Should/dp/0062513362
Ayurveda says similar things in regards to getting rid of your energy. What it says is that you discharge your Ojas
http://www.scribd.com/people/view/507852-alan-faulkner and since that is your energy / vitality etc you are essentially exhausted. In some ways it is similar to menstruating. (PMS)
I can actually feel it departing my cells over my body during an orgasm. The cells don't seem as strong or rigid anymore. Some athletes will abstain from sex for this reason for a period of time before an event. For me I get slightly tired and sometimes slightly cranky for a day or two just like PMS.
I see guys come into work the morning after looking like something that the cat dragged in. Their facial skin colour is actually paler. You cannot hide it. Just like a woman who is menstruating. It's easy to figure out.
The Kama Sutra also explains things that can be done to prevent this issue and if you are interested it's actually quite nice. I have some concoctions that I use that speed "recovery". I have to say though that the raw diet seems to make recovery a shorter term process. However as Michael suggests abstinence (which is easier said than done) is the best policy.
The Ojas gets stronger as time goes on and it is very important to have strong Ojas for a healthy progeny. Your child's physiology and immune system is dependent on your and your mate's state at the moment of conception. (In addition to other factors)
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Ayurveda says similar things in regards to getting rid of your energy.
I can actually feel it departing my cells over my body during an orgasm.
I don't think this is a rule. It probably depends of the individual. I feel pretty refreshed right after.
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After those backbreaking 2-3 minutes of labour...
2-3 minutes? Pace yourself Brother!
I've noticed the longer I last, the more powerful my climax is (and the more climaxes my partner gets to enjoy).
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I don't think this is a rule. It probably depends of the individual. I feel pretty refreshed right after.
Try ejaculating 3-4 times in one sitting, and the exaustion will probably rear its head then. Im sometimes not too drained after one, depending on my arousal.
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Try ejaculating 3-4 times in one sitting, and the exaustion will probably rear its head then. Im sometimes not too drained after one, depending on my arousal.
i don't know and have not heard of anyone who has sex regularly doing it 3-4 times in one sitting.
maybe after year long drought?
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Try ejaculating 3-4 times in one sitting, and the exaustion will probably rear its head then. Im sometimes not too drained after one, depending on my arousal.
How old are you?
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You should take home that woman you met the other day in your video, hell she already gave you money :)
THAT 50 YEAR LADY IS BIT FAR FROM MY AGE HAHA ;)
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Whilst, perhaps, most of us WORRY about whether a baby will be produced?! :) (particularly with the obvious fertility this diet blesses us with!!)
Sully,
One less thing to worry about. HaHa ;)
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Try ejaculating 3-4 times in one sitting, and the exaustion will probably rear its head then. Im sometimes not too drained after one, depending on my arousal.
My experience is similar since eating RPD. In fact, prior to my Taoist 'enlightenment', my previous girlfriend was somewhat sex-crazed and it was 2 years of constant sex. There were many periods when I'd 'unlock the gate' as much as 8 times within a few hours! :) I can tell you, those later climaxes were incredibly powerful. But, despite the RPD, I did find the whole experience rather draining and I don't imagine it was very good for my health! It's taoist practice all the way for me these days which, as others pointed out, is a big plus for the female involved! :)
THAT 50 YEAR LADY IS BIT FAR FROM MY AGE HAHA ;)
I haven't seen the video (where are these?!) but she could probably teach you a thing or two Sully! :)
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I haven't seen the video (where are these?!) but she could probably teach you a thing or two Sully! :)
In the video he just mentioned someone gave him cash for looking too destitute (paleo), I was joking maybe she chickened out on a proposition.
THAT 50 YEAR LADY IS BIT FAR FROM MY AGE HAHA ;)
50 year olds work for me. Although one still insisted she might get pregnant. anyway...beggars can't be choosers dude, even faux beggars :)
Try ejaculating 3-4 times in one sitting, and the exaustion will probably rear its head then. Im sometimes not too drained after one, depending on my arousal.
I think 2 at night and 2 in the morning would be pretty good standing for me. I think I've had sex 3x in a row sometime on a extremely rare occasion, and just remember my balls feeling drained. on the proper end of things, I think there is probably some benefit to internalizing orgasm and other such qi practices or even vasectomy, but I find that proper diet seems to lessen any 'damage' by constant screwing whereas SWD seems indifferent (when one is young I assume) and vegan diet very draining to have sex regularly.
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In the video he just mentioned someone gave him cash for looking too destitute (paleo), I was joking maybe she chickened out on a proposition.
But which video was Sully referring to? I wasn't aware he had any videos. Any links?
50 year olds work for me. Although one still insisted she might get pregnant. anyway...beggars can't be choosers dude, even faux beggars :)
ha ha :) She can hope!! Faux beggars. I like that.
I think there is probably some benefit to internalizing orgasm and other such qi practices or even vasectomy, but I find that proper diet seems to lessen any 'damage' by constant screwing whereas SWD seems indifferent (when one is young I assume) and vegan diet very draining to have sex regularly.
Yes, I'm no expert but the internalisation and control of sexual energy by moving it through the chakras is billed as being incredibly life enhancing depending which literature one reads. There are also others that advise great caution with some of these practices as, done incorrectly for long periods, they can result in serious psychological disturbances.
I agree about the impact of our dietary choices. RPD has been a revelation. Vegetarian/Vegan totally killed my sexual desire entirely!
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My experience is similar since eating RPD. In fact, prior to my Taoist 'enlightenment', my previous girlfriend was somewhat sex-crazed and it was 2 years of constant sex. There were many periods when I'd 'unlock the gate' as much as 8 times within a few hours! :) I can tell you, those later climaxes were incredibly powerful. But, despite the RPD, I did find the whole experience rather draining and I don't imagine it was very good for my health! It's taoist practice all the way for me these days which, as others pointed out, is a big plus for the female involved! :)
I haven't seen the video (where are these?!) but she could probably teach you a thing or two Sully! :)
I have that book on order. I had read and followed one of his other books. Mantek Chia. I found it useful.
I think @57 I am in a different age bracket than most here. I recall in my misspent youth going back to my hometown to see my girlfriend (at the time) and staying @ a motel for a day and 8X was all I could manage. I recall having difficulty walking afterwards. I was in love with her.
RPD has definitely made me stronger after many years of vege.
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How old are you?
Im 26, not in any way though am I claiming to still be able to do this, not since my testosterone fueled teenage years.
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Found this:
When men ejaculate they do lose nutrients and hormones.Most of the nutrients lost are trace amounts but zinc (around 5 mg), selenium and copper are lost in significant amounts. Upon ejaculation, testosterone, serotonin, acetycholine and dopamine are also lowered, prolactin is raised. High levels of prolactin are associated with poor mood, tiredness, and many different health issues. Prolactin also stimulates the production of the enzyme 5alpha reductase which converts testosterone
into DHT, DHT is the hormone that causes male pattern baldness...
DHT is produced when a man has an erection or is sexually stimulated but, as far as I know, the DHT
produced is bound to the penile tissues. The wisest thing to do is to make love frequently while limiting actual ejaculation to once a week.
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"Why is it after having sex, most men want to either leave or have their partner go away?"
Its because you've just given up all your bodies energies by ejaculating. If you go full blown orgasm and ejaculate you drain your energy, your chi, and all you do is want to shut off and sleep. Your body gives so much of its energy when you ejaculate, which makes sense as your creating a new life. The trick is to learn to become multi orgasmic (yes its possible for men too) and separate orgasm from ejaculation thus not wasting your chi. When you learn this you can have sex for hours, and orgasm many times, and still feel 100% energised afterwards. Its explained fully in the book "The Multi-Orgasmic Man", im about half way through it at the minute ..
http://www.amazon.com/Multi-Orgasmic-Man-Sexual-Secrets-Should/dp/0062513362
edited to be bit more accurate...
btw good find DR, it could well be a major contributor to baldness..
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needs_and_wants. How come you used to have a woman with a baby as your profile picture? o_O I thought you were a woman.
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edited to be bit more accurate...
btw good find DR, it could well be a major contributor to baldness..
I really doubt that.
I believe baldness comes through over eating, over stressing, alchohol etc. Pretty much anything SAD.
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needs_and_wants. How come you used to have a woman with a baby as your profile picture? o_O I thought you were a woman.
hehe did i yeah? cant remember, tho i don't think i ever upped a profile pic, well as far as i recall anywho -\
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needs_and_wants. How come you used to have a woman with a baby as your profile picture? o_O I thought you were a woman.
I think that was raw.
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I really doubt that.
I believe baldness comes through over eating, over stressing, alchohol etc. Pretty much anything SAD.
Most guys are into over eating, over stressing, alchohol etc. Pretty much anything SAD. but yet most guys are not bald.
I think that for me pasteurized milk was a big factor. Going back in history there was bald guys long before the current SAD's prominence.
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But which video was Sully referring to? I wasn't aware he had any videos. Any links?
didn't know you asked for a link,
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000035678641&v=app_2392950137#!/video/video.php?v=159668554044333
its on facebook, i tell a story
lady thought i was homeless
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I have good experience with raw oysters, I can feel my balls producing juice immediately same day.
I feel the same after eating ram's testicles 8)
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I conceived my last baby while feasting on oysters and pork testicles, we mated everyday for a week, she had just quit nursing so immediately went into full heat :D and This diet allowed me to keep up with her marathon breeding requirements
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I eat raw oysters once a week. The morning after I eat them I wake up with the sickest erections! -d
Funny cause guys who use a ZMA supplement brag about their morning wood while on the supplement. No thanks I rather eat some juicy oyster with lemon or hot sauce.
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didn't know you asked for a link,
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000035678641&v=app_2392950137#!/video/video.php?v=159668554044333
its on facebook, i tell a story
lady thought i was homeless
Thanks Sully. It appears that I need to join Facebook to have a look, unfortunately, which I intend NEVER TO DO!!! :) If there's any other way I can view it, please let me know.
I have that book on order. I had read and followed one of his other books. Mantek Chia. I found it useful....I think @57 I am in a different age bracket than most here. I recall in my misspent youth going back to my hometown to see my girlfriend (at the time) and staying @ a motel for a day and 8X was all I could manage. I recall having difficulty walking afterwards. I was in love with her.
Which books have you read on the subject Alan? You're probably a little older than many on here (as am I at 39 today!) but there are certainly quite a few older. Sounds like a good misspent youth! ;) If only you'd known about RPD back then hey?!
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michael, yeah that's the only way
i was going to upload to youtube for you
but i checked my comp., i must ave deleted it.
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Thanks Sully. It appears that I need to join Facebook to have a look, unfortunately, which I intend NEVER TO DO!!! :) If there's any other way I can view it, please let me know.
Which books have you read on the subject Alan? You're probably a little older than many on here (as am I at 39 today!) but there are certainly quite a few older. Sounds like a good misspent youth! ;) If only you'd known about RPD back then hey?!
I resisted Facebook, but now I have it and I get requests to be friend and play games -\ . Maybe just old guy syndrome. ;)
Books on sex? Well "Kama Sutra" was quite an eye opener. It is Vedic literature from the same stream as Ayurveda. Worth a read. You can usually find a copy in a used book store.
"Ayurveda For Mother And Child" by Vaidya Bhagwan Dash. A fascinating look at the ancient medicine on procreation. It hasn't changed. The ancient things were explained in ways that nowadays seem like superstition, but in reality, it is a case of the words used by the translators in a country whose native tongue is not English and couched in terms that are different than nowadays. For instance they knew about bacteria but it was translated as spirits. This is why the early Allopaths had such a grand time making fun of it. Bacteria had not been discovered by them yet. You have to fake an Indian accent ;D when you are vreading dem. LOL
Mantak Chia - Chi Self Massage is a good book on that subject.
Playboy etc... ;) Lots of other useless books which simply satisfied my male libido ;D
As far as the misspent youth my ex told me I will have done everything when I finally sign off. ;)
RPD wasn't on my radar till last December when I got AV's book. No regrets, some part of me had to go through being a vege. Quite pleased to be doing RPD though.
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I'll shower and either fall asleep or facebook. :|
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Michael,
Not being from Europe I thought you might be able to give a more objective opinion.
I got this after the G whatever meeting not far from here in Ontario. Is this true...
The Canadian: self-absorbed and disconnected from reality.
The American: businesslike, unwilling to be distracted.
The Italian and the French: "LOOK AT THAT ASS!"
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Well in that case look at the lady crouching, she's looking at the Canadian guy's...ahem...! :o
The Canadian: self-absorbed and disconnected from reality.
The American: businesslike, unwilling to be distracted.
The Italian and the French: "LOOK AT THAT ASS!"
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Well in that case look at the lady crouching, she's looking at the Canadian guy's...ahem...! :o
ROFLMAO good catch Yuli !