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Raw Paleo Diet Forums => General Discussion => Topic started by: decbohan22 on August 27, 2008, 08:07:27 am
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Hello,
I have been ill on and off since I was 14 (35 no) and I have been bedbound at times with exhaustion, panting, pain all over etc.
I have just last week had another relapse and as I type this my legss are jerking and I can't catch my breath again. I'm scared as I can't cope with another year like this.
Last week I knew it was all starting again as I was out of breath waking up - more panting and blowing than out of breath. My limbs were jerking as I woke also and as I stood up could feel such thick thick deposts crushing in my neck and shoulders. These deposits are always at there thickist when I'm panting. The more deposits in my tissues - the more out of breath I'll be.
I'm lying on my sofa and my body has been contorting all day and the panting is crazy - you'd swear I was just after running a marathon. My stomach feels inflamed also as usual.
Hospitals and doctors have never been any help. Alternative doc told me I had Leaky Gut and Candida 5 years ago but would that cause these symptoms?
Hope you have some advice for me.
I have given up sugar and fruit and starch again as that helped somewhat before. I feel so acidic right now - my tongue is so thacky and the deposts are so thick tonight.
Appreciate any help anyone can be in steering me the right way.
Declan
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Have you tried raw paleo?
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Welcome Declan!
Have you been diagnosed with anything other than leaky gut syndrome? If cutting back on sugar, starches, and fruit helped you in the past, going raw paleo would most likely give you even better results. This will give you an idea of what raw paleo is: http://www.rawpaleo.com/nutrition.html
Craig
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Hi,
Just woke now (9.30am Ireland) - was suicidal last night. It felt like the deposits were suffocating me - couldn't bear to hear a sound or read or watch tv.
When I woke just now the face, head pressure, panting / blowing were all still with me and the deposits in tissues in neck and shoulders just as thick. As I type this am I am panting / blowing even worse. Could it be yeast die-off?
Have an overwhelming feeling of being constipated also. My tongue and mouth feels so thacky and my salvia gritty.
I can't bear standing up as all symptoms get 10 times worse.
I'm take some flaxseed meal with water and see if that helps. Have Lab4 probiotics, Licorice and Caprylic Acid, EV Coconut Oil in the fridge I bought a few weeks back but never took. Don't know which to start with or what to eat.
What could these tissue deposits be?
Declan
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No idea. What are you eating right now? If dairy is part of your diet, then having leaky gut syndrome would indicate that you should remove the dairy completely from the diet.
Here's a general info-page on how to go Rawpalaeo, if you're curious:-
http://www.rawpaleoforum.com/general-discussion/sticky-advice-for-newbies-wishing-to-slowly-ease-into-a-raw-animal-food-diet/
You should probably ditch the flaxseed oil and get hold of raw cod liver oil instead. The only good one I know of is the fermented cod liver oil product "Blue Ice".
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Hello,
The only thing I can think of that the deposits could be is acidic wastes of some sort. Eat tons of cooked duck, pork, chicken and beef this past two weeks and fried chips. My stomach flared then and felt inflamed inside and the deposits started up again.
When the deposits start I know I'm relapsing with whatever this illness is. Feel poisoned, clogged with something - I'm just lying here now and can't catch my breath at al - tongue even more thick and gritty. My face and head pressure is severe - ice cold face also as circulation is so bad with it.
Yesterday. I had raw salad (red cabbage, shallots, sprouts) with a tablespoon of Goat's Milk Probiotic Yogurt. A few dried apricots, brazil nuts, broccoli and low carb veg soup and aspargus with some garlic butter on them.
Gonna get the supermarket to deliver some food today to me. Was thinking some Oak smoked Organic Salmon as I had that before and it was good. Is smoked fish okay - that one doesn't have any of those nitrates. It's an Organic natural smokehouse in Galway.
Declan
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Candida can produce some crazy symptoms. You may be having candida die off (Google candida herxheimer reaction) I recommend that you not take any coconut oil, caprylic acid as this will increase your candida die off and make you feel even worse.
Candida die off can cause severe emotional and physical symptoms and is serious. If your getting suicidal thoughts and severe pain I suggest eating some carbs immediately to to stop any yeast die off.
Read this site
http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/ (http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/)
This woman knows her stuff, no other site on the net comes close and recommend following her advice for now and forget Raw Paleo.
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I should probably add I've had candida my whole life and tried to cure it before but gave because I could seem to get rid of it and blamed others things for my problems. Since going zero carb raw paleo I began to realise how physically and emotionally candida had a grip on me I swear it controls your mind to make you angry/anxious so you reach for sugar/fruit/beer to keep it alive!!!
The problem with candida is you will feel a lot worse before you feel better and it takes a really long time to eliminate, 1 month for every year you have had the infection.
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Hi,
When I was 14 I was convinced i had tapeworms or something as the rectal crawling was bad and I was very weak, used to binge on carbs at that age too.
35 now and just can't do more months in bed like this .. if I could catch my breath and get the head pressure away I'd cope.
I'll try reading what you suggest. When I eat the dried apricots last night my wasn't as out of breath but then stomach felt burning hot inside an hour later.
Would licorice (the one with glychiza stil in it) help give me strength. ARe LAB4 probiotics worth trying?
Need to ly down .. I'll try post again later.
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Oak-smoked fish would be useless, I'm afraid. Smoking requires heating up to 80 degrees centigrade, and contains toxic nitrosamines etc.
Out of interest, how did you come to our forum? You don't seem to have gone down the usual path of RAFers(Raw Vegan diet etc.) given your mention of fast-food.
Re wodgina's comments:- He's probably right re suggesting starting off with anti-candida methods first before going rawpalaeo. It does take some time to acclimatise to rawpalaeo, anyway.
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This diet may be a good help for a the moment - Dr. Groves http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/ has mentioned it before (on the rawpaleo yahoo group).
http://www.naturallythriving.com/
Just don't try to make things complicated for your body (and mind); get fresh air and stick to a few foods (the lower carbs the better, raw animal fat and grass fed meat).
Make shore, that your stomach can digest the raw fat and protein (salt?). Drink alkaline mineral water well after or before food (don't over drink - better threw out the day). Give the digestive system time to rest.
Nicola
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Well. cause I've been ill so long have been readng about all sorts of diets that might help someone recover from illness. Some of the books are have are Loren Cordain's Paleo Diet & Weston Prices Nutrition & Physical Degeneration.
So last night I was just looking for diet stuff and candida etc and a link on one of those sites led to here.
The Oak Smoked Salmon is Wild Salmon and it's smoked at a very low temp according to what I'm told. Have a raw side of salmon also and two steaks for the week ahead. Some anchovies, raw goat's cheese (St Tola) and a dozen organic eggs.
The rest I have is coconut cream, letteces, asparagus, probiotic butter, scallions, spelt crackers, broccoli. Have some apples too but only going to eat one if I have to. Had five grapes today and while I felt 2% or so improved - then my stomach got so hot and limbs felt like lead weights and panting got even worse.
Deposits still so thick also.
Appreciate your suggestions, I'd do anything to get well.
Declan
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Thanks Nicola .. I'll try.
Declan
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The smoked salmon may be heated at a low temperature, but it'll have smoke-particles etc., and any processing is harmful. If you're following a cooked-diet it's a better option than many other processed foods(if it has no preservatives), but if you eventually want to follow a rawpaleo diet, things aren't going to work on a RPD diet unless you ditch the stuff, IMO.
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Okay Tyler, thanks .. appreciate it.
Declan
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Good Morning Declan,
If this has been mentioned already and I missed it, please forgive me, but my first instinct would be for you to do a short water fast. 3 days to a week, hopefully with someone you know, helping you.
If your digestive system is whacked, it might help giving it a breather. Maybe even a juice fast. I have a good 7 Day fast I could pm you. You can usually find cheap juicers in thrift stores if you don't own one.
Best wishes,
Avalon :)
p.s. if you haven't been to CureZone you might want to spend some time reading posts. Peoplel are dealing with everything over there.
http://curezone.org/forums/f.asp?f=23
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Hi,
I seen the curezone but there was just so much information to take in. It's hard read right now - the nerves in my eyes are so strained and weak.
It's funny you should say fast as the only foods I feel like eating is bread and I know this is not a good idea and everything else I have no appitite for.
I have some lemons so maybe I'll up my water intake somewhat.
Thanks ..
Declan
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My advice to you:
http://tinyurl.com/vcodetox to cure candida.
Just 3 days.
Nourish yourself with Raw Paleolithic Diet for 1 week.
Then another vco detox for 3 days.
and for your parasite problems
http://www.curemanual.com/detox-protocols/parasite-cleanse
For your leaky gut problems and other intestinal damage:
14 day, 21 day or 40 day orange juice fast
http://www.curemanual.com/detox-protocols/intestinal-cleansing/orange-juice-fasting
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Um, Edwin, if I may say so, isn't it a bad idea to recommend really long water- or juice-fasts for as long as 14 days or more? I thought that 7 days would be the max, unless one is realy healthy.
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this is something i made to help beginners...
(http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r85/Junts2005/TheOne.jpg)
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Hi Sully,
Thanks for the post ..
Meant to say earlier that although I have no idea what these thick deposits are in my tissues that keep building up I think the panting is due to the servere stress, that whatever this illness is, is doing to me.
The nerves in my eyes are so week and sore. The nerves in my hands and feet are also so sensitive.
Would like lack of B-Vits due to candida cause this? I also was thinking would maganesium deificincey cause the jerking limbs and contortions or even the deposits?
Don't know what to think - lying here panting for over a week. If I could just catch my breath and get some strength or if the deposits would stop building up .. God I hope things pick up.
Declan
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Magnesium deficiency could be an issue, especially if you've been drinking a lot of dairy in the past.
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No, but had lot of roast pork and mutton lately with zero veggies for a least two weeks. Would that cause leaky gut or candida to flare?
Declan
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Educate yourself on candida, I posted a link earlier in the thread with IMO the best site on the net. If you had read this site you would know the answer to the question you posted.
but to answer your question anyway
No, but had lot of roast pork and mutton lately with zero veggies for a least two weeks. Would that cause leaky gut or candida to flare?
Declan
Cutting out sugars/carbohydrate cuts out candida's food supply this will cause a herxheimer raction (from candida die off) which causes toxins to be released into your blood stream which makes you feel terrible.
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Um, Edwin, if I may say so, isn't it a bad idea to recommend really long water- or juice-fasts for as long as 14 days or more? I thought that 7 days would be the max, unless one is realy healthy.
Hi Geoff, these are just tools.
You are so right to be cautious, these tools require good judgment when to use.
It is up to the sick and his healer to decide which tools to use.
RPD can build him up and prepare him for the use of these tools.
14 day orange juice fast requires lots of education before attempting. There is a support forum for OJ fasting.
Once the candida has been obliterated with virgin coconut oil detoxing, everything else should be easy.
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Okay I take back my juice fast idea because I'd missed the candida issue. A juice fast would be a bad move if one is already suffering from a yeast infection. Yeast feeds on sugar and juice is pure sugar. :o
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Okay I take back my juice fast idea because I'd missed the candida issue. A juice fast would be a bad move if one is already suffering from a yeast infection. Yeast feeds on sugar and juice is pure sugar. :o
How about veggie juices - would they be okay? There's a place beside me who juice Spinach, Celery, Fennel etc and deliver also.
Had some raw samon today with organic butter (little garlic). Still panting and depoits thick as ever.
My nerves are down to the bone right now. If I feel the same tomorrow I'll take some Licorice and Barberry.
Have Digestive Enzymes so might take them also.
The only carbs I've eaten today were two dried apricots and two spelt crackers which I put Garlic Butter on.
Thanks everyone ..
Declan
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Just reposting that it would be a good idea to do a nutritious Raw Paleo Diet to build up your nutrition stores.
Say 1 week to 10 days, juice a lot of green juices too like Aajonus, eat your raw meat, raw liver.
Then do a 3 day VCO detox.
http://tinyurl.com/vcodetox
Do it again after 1 week.
Your candida will be history, gone, finished, killed, obliterated, you will be balanced.
Then you can do whatever juice fast or water fast you need to do.
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Thanks, the tiny url didn't work though but I understand what your saying. I just hope it is candida and not something else.
I just woke up ten minutes ago seriously panting and blowing, body jerking and facial muscles contorting really bad (still are).
My mouth feels so gritty and thacky and I feel an asmatic feeling - like I'm clogged with moucous or something like that.
Feel starved of oxygen in a way - the deposits are so so thick in my neck and shoulders. When I moved I can feel them crushing but they are replaced straight away. I just know whatever it is these are is the key to me being ill.
I'll try and rest but i's hard panting, blowing and contorting like this. It's like my body is trying to get rid of something though my lungs.
It sucks my nerves dry and it's a horrible hellish feeling. The nerves in my hands, eyes and legs are raw - the slightest noise and it's painful. Would this be a B Vitamins thing cause my stomach is not good. Would taking enzymes help a little or probiotics?
I'll drink some licorice tea and drink veg juices today. Maybe some raw salmon later.
Thanks for your posts everyone ..
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Just reposting that it would be a good idea to do a nutritious Raw Paleo Diet to build up your nutrition stores.
Say 1 week to 10 days, juice a lot of green juices too like Aajonus, eat your raw meat, raw liver.
Then do a 3 day VCO detox.
http://tinyurl.com/vcodetox
Do it again after 1 week.
Your candida will be history, gone, finished, killed, obliterated, you will be balanced.
Then you can do whatever juice fast or water fast you need to do.
Some people who have yeast infections could probably heal quite quickly with your your protocol Good Samaritan but it seems a little optimistic for someone with systemic candida IMO.
Systemic candida is quite a different animal through my experience and according to other guru's such as Bee Wilder and Aajonus who give much longer recovery times for candida.
Bee Wilder - 1 month for every year you have had the infection
Aajonus - 2 years following a zero fruit primal diet
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These crystal type deposits are getting worse in my jaw, neck, shoulds and even face. My facial muscles are contorting bad and I'm panting more .. my head feels clogged like I'm suffocating .. what could it be?
Would lumphatic fluids clog like this? Have an impacted wisdom tooth there that gives pain but dentist doesn't think it's infected.
I believe they are the root of the problem - whatever is causing these deposits to build up is causing all my problems I think.
Declan
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Sounds rough :(
I have to tell you that your descriptions are graphic and perhaps another visit to a Hospital Emergency Room might not be a bad thing. Otherwise, try everything you can. Google, Google, Google. It might be something very simple.
Good luck,
Best wishes,
Xeta :)
oh, yes, I think veggie juice would be alright- but not carrots :)
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The ER is useless here .. they just make sure your not dying after a 12 hour wait and send you back to your GP.
One question about the thacky gritty tongue - this is always bad when the deposits are bad along with panting and burning eyes. Could this be my lymphatic system is clogged or overburdened?
Would cutting back on fat (butter) help clear things a little. I'll just drink veggie juice for two weeks if that's what it takes.
Declan
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See your chiropractor:
http://www.curemanual.com/detox-protocols/chiropractic-treatments-nervous-system-fixing
Always begin with a colon cleanse:
http://www.curemanual.com/detox-protocols/colon-cleanse
Then a kidney cleanse:
http://www.curemanual.com/detox-protocols/kidney-cleanse
Then a couple of liver flushes spaced 2 weeks apart:
http://www.curemanual.com/detox-protocols/liver-flush
See your biological dentist and clean up:
http://www.curemanual.com/detox-protocols/dental-cleanse
During this whole time, eat a raw paleolithic high fat diet.
And clean your lymphatic system systemically with Sitz Baths 3x per day:
http://barefootherbalistmh.com/index.php?page=barefoot
(see step IV, sitz bath)
"Using a metal tub filled with water beside the cook stove, take a 1 hour or longer bath until sweating well. Then dump the bath water and fill 1/4 full with fresh hand pumped well water. Then insert a milking stool and set on it with your feet over the edge of the tub. Take your hand and scoop up the 55 degree water to your belly button and allow to drip downward off your butt. Do this for 15 minutes. For clinic style treatment do this 3X daily. This is the original sitz bath."
In modern times, just sweat it out in the hottest water you can stand in your bath tub for 1 hour. Then dump the hot water. Then fill your tub 1/4 full with 55 degree farenheight water (cold), then pour this same cold water over your belly button. Only your butt must be in the cold water. Do this for 15 minutes.
Do this 3x a day.
You sound like an emergency case. I suggest you seek professional help face to face.
Thanks, the tiny url didn't work though but I understand what your saying. I just hope it is candida and not something else.
I just woke up ten minutes ago seriously panting and blowing, body jerking and facial muscles contorting really bad (still are).
My mouth feels so gritty and thacky and I feel an asmatic feeling - like I'm clogged with moucous or something like that.
Feel starved of oxygen in a way - the deposits are so so thick in my neck and shoulders. When I moved I can feel them crushing but they are replaced straight away. I just know whatever it is these are is the key to me being ill.
I'll try and rest but i's hard panting, blowing and contorting like this. It's like my body is trying to get rid of something though my lungs.
It sucks my nerves dry and it's a horrible hellish feeling. The nerves in my hands, eyes and legs are raw - the slightest noise and it's painful. Would this be a B Vitamins thing cause my stomach is not good. Would taking enzymes help a little or probiotics?
I'll drink some licorice tea and drink veg juices today. Maybe some raw salmon later.
Thanks for your posts everyone ..
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What about getting really Drunk! with a plate of Sushi and a good comedy to watch.
Sorry, just trying to make you smile. Don't get really drunk!
Hang in there,
Avalon
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This sounds like pure hell.
When you say deposits, what exactly do you mean?
You might get something to balance your electrolytes to what symptoms it clears up. Since you want to avoid sugar, you might try this: http://www.supplementcentral.com/alacer-emergen-c-electro-mix-36-lemon-lime (http://www.supplementcentral.com/alacer-emergen-c-electro-mix-36-lemon-lime). It uses Stevia leaf as a sweetner, which tastes just like sugar. I bought a packet of this the other day from a local store, and it tastes alright. Not spectacular, but it's edible. Each packet makes 1 liter.
Since you have to order that, try and get a vitamin for now. Take one everyday. I don't normally recommend vitamins or supplements of any kind (it's better to get what you need through your diet), but your case is extreme and if you can get any relief for now that's a good thing.
Raw salmon is great! It's loaded with omega fats. If you don't have to use butter to get it down, don't. I would avoid dairy at all costs. Use extra-virgin olive oil if you can. Fats are very important, but only raw fat from meat or oil. If you have to cook, try and get macadamia nut oil to fry things with--it has a higher smoke point then olive oil.
Slanker's is an awesome site for grass-fed/pasture-raised/organic meats and they have other products. Macadamia nut oil is one of them: http://www.texasgrassfedbeef.com/id79.htm#macadamia_nut_cooking___salad_oil (http://www.texasgrassfedbeef.com/id79.htm#macadamia_nut_cooking___salad_oil)
Veggie juice would probably be a good idea--they have carbs, but not excessively. Definitely avoid carrots and starchy vegetables, they're high in sugar.
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Exactly ::)
roll eyes doesn't seem to be working! Damn emoticons to Hell!
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