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Raw Paleo Diet to Suit You => Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet => Topic started by: DameonWolf on November 23, 2008, 05:56:08 am
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So as a raw vegan I've always had a painful time digesting nuts. My concern is that I'll have the same trouble with raw meat, ext. Is there much of a difference fat wise between the two? Does any one else have trouble getting nuts down?
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Before I discovered raw paleo i ate a good amount of seeds and nuts.
These gave me gas and a rumbly feeling in my stomach. (gas wasn't as bad as before I stopped eating grains though!)
With meat, there is no gas and no bad feeling in my stomach.
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in my experience, raw meat is the only thing that gives me absolutely no stomach complaints. for my body at least, it's a very calming food for my stomach. even funky sounding meat digests extremely well. i've heard organs digest even better than muscle meats. also, eggs do not digest well for me (lots of gas). but yes, try some fish and that should do fine
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Well most nuts are contain mainly polysaturated and monosaturated fats. Meats are mainly saturated fat. However, some nuts like coconut are mainly saturated fat, but coconut fat becomes liquid easily. Although, it becomes solid easily. oils such as sunflower oil will remain liquid even in a refrigerator.
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Nuts and meats are very different in terms of digestion. I've found meats to be the easiest to food to digest up there with fruit, nuts are probably the hardest to digest food even including cooked foods. Also like Sully said the fatty acid profile is entirely different. I believe you could probably digest meat better not chewing than you could digest nuts chewing one hundred times per mouthful.
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Another thing to keep in mind is that nuts contain little water if any. Raw meats contain much more water. The more water, usually the quicker the digestion.
Eating nuts is probably similar to eating dried meat, but the dried meat probably digest quicker than the nuts, especially with no fat.
Also, nuts and dried meat contain more calories per pound than fresh meat. Simply because they contain less water, water adds to weight. Same thing with dried fruit vs fresh fruit.
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Nuts contain antinutrients. Soak them in water for 24 hours, beforehand.
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Nuts contain antinutrients. Soak them in water for 24 hours, beforehand.
I know that some say paleo people would've ate mostly sprouted or soaked nuts and seeds, but I find black walnuts that aren't sprouted or soaked at all. Their on the floor dry by themselves. I'm sure paleo people would've eaten many dry nuts. Whether soaking lowers toxin levels or not, doesn't it lower nutrition too?
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I know that some say paleo people would've ate mostly sprouted or soaked nuts and seeds, but I find black walnuts that aren't sprouted or soaked at all. Their on the floor dry by themselves. I'm sure paleo people would've eaten many dry nuts. Whether soaking lowers toxin levels or not, doesn't it lower nutrition too?
I know in the RAF camp they soak nuts twenty-four hours, but many years ago I was a Living Food Lifestyle'ist. I don't know about black walnuts, but we soaked almonds and hazelnuts about twelve hours, until they were peelable while still raw and alive. We peeled them before using them in recipes. This helps in the culturing process. It also improves the flavor. We soaked seeds less hours, and didn't peel their inner skins. If digestion is better, then we obviously get more nutrients. Before I did living foods I couldn't gain weight no matter how I tried. With living foods I gained a good five to ten lbs the first week and kept it on almost a year after I quit eating that way.
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i had a pretty intense craving for nuts today which is weird because i havent eaten them in about 3 months and havent craved them before. anyways, i bought some walnuts and ate a handful of them without soaking beforehand. no problems digestion-wise which was unexpected. satisfied my craving though. i might start eating them every once in a while now.
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i had a pretty intense craving for nuts today which is weird because i havent eaten them in about 3 months and havent craved them before. anyways, i bought some walnuts and ate a handful of them without soaking beforehand. no problems digestion-wise which was unexpected. satisfied my craving though. i might start eating them every once in a while now.
This past few days I have been experimenting with eating quite a bit of macadamia nuts and pistachios with my raw red meats.
Not at the same time as the meats but either some time before or after...
So far no problems I feel great, why do people say nuts are so bad, I have had no problems digesting them whatsoever (it may just be me though).
I find that on days where I don't have fresh bone marrow or any fatty meat, just lean meat, supplementing with fatty nuts really helps me. Or on days where I just don't feel like eating plain fat... I feel more full and sated then just with the meat and have less issues with nuts then the fruits. If I eat fruits too close to meat time I get big problems, nuts no problems everything fine and dandy.
According to the info I have read this shouldn't make sense because nuts are soo full of antinutrients and are soo hard to digest, I am not feeling this at all, maybe I have lots of acid in my stomach for digesting the nuts, weird...
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I don't have any problems digesting nuts as long as I don't mix them with anything or eat too much (mixing them with honey or fruit gives me lots of problems, runny stools and bloating). If you eat them with meat, eat the lean meat first then the nuts after, for better digestion. I ate them close together, but I ate the nuts after the lean meat.
Back then I simply did this because the nut's flavor was more enjoyable to me than the lean raw beef I was eating, so I wanted to eat the nuts last. But it worked out for digestion too which I was unaware of at the time.
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Lean pork and beef meats are harder to digest in my experience so I would rather have as many fishes as I can as it's lighter plus combined with vegetables. With nuts, not to mention farting (in a good way) too much. :D
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Lean pork and beef meats are harder to digest in my experience so I would rather have as many fishes as I can as it's lighter plus combined with vegetables. With nuts, not to mention farting (in a good way) too much. :D
Are you eating COOKED pork and COOKED beef?
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I seem to do fine on nuts too, i eat about 100gs every morning, maybe its because I eat alot my body has adapted to be better at digesting them, associated gut bacteria etc. I have noticed though a huge difference between how my body reacts to organic nuts vs non-organic. Non organic give me stomach upsets, and generally make me feel slightly off kilter. I usually heat brazil nuts in the oven for about 5 minutes to kill any fungus that grows on them. Cashews have this problem too, they're the worst offenders, you can actually see the red colonies of fungus growing on them in alot of cases.
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Nuts do not satiate me. I'm still hungry after eating them.
After the same amount of calories from meat and fat I'm not hungry and I've got much more energy.
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Another thing to keep in mind is that nuts contain little water if any. Raw meats contain much more water. The more water, usually the quicker the digestion.
If it was true the digestion of meat with water would be quicker. But it's definitely longer.
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If it was true the digestion of meat with water would be quicker. But it's definitely longer.
I find I digest raw meat blazingly fast :'( , besides fruit there is nothing faster I digest, and nuts digest slower....
on another note, soaking the nuts does make them have more water, and then they digest easier...
Raw meat is of course SUPERIOR to nuts, but for a fast digester like me, with very high metabolism, I usually have a huge appetite and can eat like someone twice my size...nuts actually help because they take longer to digest and I have something that can keep my digestive system busy for a while. Sometimes when I eat a bunch of raw meat but digest it too fast, eating a handful of fatty nuts feels good in my stomach. Maybe my digestion will change the longer I eat raw meat.
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I find I digest raw meat blazingly fast
You mean - without drinking or adding to it any water?
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You mean - without drinking or adding to it any water?
Yup, besides eating fruit on an empty stomach I find raw meat easiest to digest! I can keep eating it and eating it, but adding more fat helps then I get fuller. Nuts are more complex to me so sometimes they give me the exact fullness effect/feel that I was looking for, but NOT if I just eat nuts as the only meal, I like to have them close to the time of eating some animal product - preferably after not before. If I eat too many nuts though I don't feel good, its only a supplement to my diet now.
Sully mentioned he digests the nuts well after the meat but not before. That is another proof that nuts are harder to digest...something thats easier to digest should be eaten first (raw meat in this case), and then then after something harder to digest (nuts in this case)....
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So it's not true that the more water the quicker the digestion.
Adding water to meat or fat makes them longer to digest.
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So it's not true that the more water the quicker the digestion.
Adding water to meat or fat makes them longer to digest.
Adding water should be done if you need it, like if you are thirsty. I don't believe in forcing yourself drink or not drink, just drink when you want, follow you instinct.
With raw meats I am much less thirsty (even lean meats), probably cause they give me more water ...hmmmm...
Adding water to fat is difficult cause they don't mix with each other, probably thats why.
I have no problem eating fruits and drinking water probably cause the fruits don't have fat. -\
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Adding water should be done if you need it, like if you are thirsty. I don't believe in forcing yourself drink or not drink, just drink when you want, follow you instinct.
Even when I'm thirsty I do not drink water with the meat - the digestion would be really bad.
Diluting HCL in the stomach is a really a bad idea, for various reasons.
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Even when I'm thirsty I do not drink water with the meat - the digestion would be really bad.
Diluting HCL in the stomach is a really a bad idea, for various reasons.
Of course...When I am thirsty I am not eating meat, I am drinking water lol
When I am eating my raw meat it because I want my MEAT and not water, one is one the other is the other :P
Even when I ate SAD diet I didn't like to drink while eating, I waited after not only to wait to digest but also to let the flavor of food sit in my mouth.
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If I’m thirsty I always drink water before to eat anything because, as Hannibal pointed out water dilute the digestive juices and impairs digestion.
Also, I never tried to eat nuts before the meat: I eat meat first (of course, after having drunk water if thirsty). I never had any problem in digesting either meat or nuts and sometimes I eat nuts after having eaten meat if I’m still hungry for fat / proteins. But I never mix different nuts in a meal, only one kind at a time, and of course I don’t override the instinctive stop. I tried once almonds after avocados, and then it was a hell!
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Something amazing happened to me: I had never been very found of walnuts, preferring macadamias, pecans, almonds or hazelnuts. But since last winter I got crazy about walnuts! They became delicious! Did walnuts change or did I change?
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Nuts contain antinutrients. Soak them in water for 24 hours, beforehand.
Hmmh... Apes eat nuts, hunter-gatherers eat nuts, instinctos eat nuts, Yuli eat nuts, Iguanas eat nuts...;) There is probably anti-nutrients in every foodstuff, I mean everything can become an anti-nutrient if you eat or drink too much of it. As always, it's only a matter of dose. See DHMO.org (http://www.dhmo.org/) (once again!) :P
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I hate nuts. They are too addictive, and I always get some sort of stomach-ache afterwards from the antinutrients. I don't bother with them unless I have nothing else that's suitable, and then it's only a handful or so here and there.
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Nuts are best in moderation. Also, it is wise not to eat solely nuts.
I remember, I ate just raw almonds for one day and that's it and quite a few (i was am still am doing one meal a day when I had the nuts, so it was just one big meal of nuts for that day) got severe cramps when I was laying down to sleep.
I wouldn't get that prob if I would have eaten some fresh fruit before I ate the nuts or sometime during that day.
That's the difference, I can't just eat nuts to fill me alone. But I can just eat meat and not get cramps.
I am guessing some nuts are better than others.
Keep in mind, different nuts/seeds have different fat/carb/protien ratios too. Seeds like sunflower seeds having less fat for ratio of calories. I am less likely to over eat on nuts when they are soaked and absorbed water. Although i like the dry flavor more. Walnuts are 80-85% of calories coming from fat I believe. I am also less likely to over do English walnuts than I am to over do my favorites, like pistachio, Brazil nuts, filberts etc.
Walnuts seem to have more anti-nutrients? perhaps idk
nut butters are a cool experiment, i made sunflower butter
(http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r85/Junts2005/Meals-Diet/SunflowerSeedButter.jpg)
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A good trick to insure that you can eat too much of it, Sully! Also if you decide to eat nuts only or if you have nuts only to eat, you're likely to eat too many.
I hate nuts. They are too addictive, and I always get some sort of stomach-ache afterwards from the antinutrients. I don't bother with them unless I have nothing else that's suitable, and then it's only a handful or so here and there.
Are you sure the nuts you buy haven't been warm dried, as is most often the case? Otherwise they wouldn't be addictive: normally we can't eat too much raw nuts if unmixed and unprocessed.
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Are you sure the nuts you buy haven't been warm dried, as is most often the case? Otherwise they wouldn't be addictive: normally we can't eat too much raw nuts if unmixed and unprocessed.
Only some of the nuts I have bought are likely to have been warmed/heated, such aas cashews. The rest were fine. It was definitely the antinutrients, as when I soak the nuts in water for 24 hours beforehand, I get far fewer symptoms.
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How do I know if the walnuts I get are raw? There is no label on them indicating raw, or heat treated either. I doubt they are totally raw, many nuts are processed using some form of heat.
The walnuts I get are from Costco, called Kirkland Signature's Walnuts. I buy them locally but this a picture of them in this link
http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=10253182&whse=BD_823&Ne=4000000&eCat=BD_823|9894|75763&N=4047545&Mo=55&No=4&Nr=P_CatalogName:BD_823&cat=75763&Ns=P_Price|1||P_SignDesc1&lang=en-US&Sp=C&topnav=bd
Should I still eat them?
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I wouldn't eat it unless I'm starving to death: shelled nuts are generally hot dried, usually at 60 to 70° C. Nuts in shell are more likely to be all right, but it's not sure either.
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So avoid all nuts and seeds unless I can be sure they are properly handled?
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Yes, it's wise to make sure that they haven't been heated to more than 40 - 45° C maximum if you want to eat 100% raw.
Also, when a food has been overheated (I mean over 40° C) you can eat too much of it and thus break your nutritional instinctive balance. That's a an additional reason why the standard commercial nuts and dry fruits are hot dried: so people can eat more of it and they buy more!
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check out this link : http://www.living-foods.com/articles/nuts.html it has all the info you need.
Basically there's no such thing as "raw" nuts in the commercial world.It's kind of a false label.Most or all nuts go through high heat in processing to prevent molds and whatever else.....If you want them raw,you need to pick them from the tree yourself.And even then,you have to deal with the enzyme inhibitors.When you soak them in water they taste bland and soggy -v.....getting the idea you might be better off with meat? ;)
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yeah, even in shell the only one I hear that is consistently reliable are pecans, the old Billing's link 'confirms' this.
the other way to avoid almost certainly buying heated products is to go directly through a grower on ebay. I've eaten fresh macadamias before that a friend had ordered this way, and they were out of this world. Of course I was eating veg at the time. Now I can't even sit and cut my meat with a knife, so even the process of opening and eating nut fragments drives me up the wall - and is more than incentive to eat other healthier things - unless i'm watching tv or something.
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pecans grow wild in central texas. they're everywhere. i could literally go out and pick a pound of them in about half an hour if i really wanted. i've been eating them a lot recently (read about 15 whole pecans at a sitting maybe two or three times a week, so not THAT much) with no apparent problems, but i think it's just a passing thing. meat still works best for me. i just don't see why i wouldn't eat nuts if they're local, free, and tasty. i don't soak them either. i don't think paleo peoples did either. so what, there are some anti nutrients. it's not like they're a staple or anything. they're totally seasonal. and i think im getting something out of them that's hard to get from other sources because i've been craving them. maybe magnesium? i dunno
edit: i will say though, the pecans have been breed to bear larger nuts that are much easier to get the meat out of. the truly wild and unadulterated pecan trees the i've seen out in the hill country have small nuts that are extremely difficult to extract the meat from. not impossible but very time consuming. so, with that in mind, nuts (well i guess i can only say this about pecans) probably weren't anywhere near a staple for the paleo-indians of texas.
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Yon,you're craving them so you think they provide something you can't get elsewhere? Dude,have you ever craved ice cream? cigarettes? cookies?hmmm come on man ;D
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Yon,you're craving them so you think they provide something you can't get elsewhere? Dude,have you ever craved ice cream? cigarettes? cookies?hmmm come on man ;D
King Salmon, there’s a threshold between real, natural Paleo stuff (anything an animal or our ancestors could find in nature) and processed Neolithic, modern food. Clearly the duration in which we have been in contact with the latter (ice creams, cookies, chocolate and wheat, dairy, cooked food,etc) has been ways too short for a perfect adaptation to take place.
On the contrary, pecans have been there since hundreds millions or a billion years, so that animals and humans had all the time to adapt to it. Therefore, our metabolism and instinct have all the reasons to be adapted to it, while they have no reason to be adapted to recently appeared stuff.
I like pecans very much, but they are expensive in Europe.
By the way, I replied to your PM.
Francois
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Yon,you're craving them so you think they provide something you can't get elsewhere? Dude,have you ever craved ice cream? cigarettes? cookies?hmmm come on man ;D
uh, pecans are a wild raw food source. ice cream is not. there is a clear difference as iguana said. but i don't want to argue. they're working for me right now. that's all that matters to me
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Pecans are very tasty I even ate cereals with pecan last weak lol was worth it (with pasturized homogonized dead milk lol) :D
But I felt like it scratched all my digestive lining and my gums like hell. eat this food once a year to remember why I started eating healthy at the first place haha
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Why not just eat the pecans without the cereals..?
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I was refering to the "craving" part.I don't believe that because you crave a certain food,regardless of what it is,it means that you are deficient in what that food provides.Including pecans,ice cream,or whatever else.Paleolithic,Neolithic,Monolithic...whateverlithic.A craving is kind of an addiction.That's all I was trying to say.
I know how long pecans have been around and I also know how long ice cream has been around.
Francois,Thanks,I sent you my email already(I guess you didn't receive it?)
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I was refering to the "craving" part.I don't believe that because you crave a certain food,regardless of what it is,it means that you are deficient in what that food provides....
So you mean craving are only due to addiction?
That puts the whole instincto concept in the trash then.
Because how do I know when I am craving raw salmon that its because I need some of that good fatty fish fat or because its for the same reason as I would crave ice cream?
I think its more related to deficiencies.
For example if you are plagued by cravings it probably means you are lacking something or are not in balance, even if you are craving ice cream, the reason you are craving it so much is because you are missing something in your diet (and not necessarily ice cream).
True some cravings are partly due to food addiction, like sugar addiction is a common one. But if you took a sugar addict and made them eat a good diet for a coupla weeks guess what, their cravings for sugar will diminish. So the reason the sugar addict was addicted in the first place was BECAUSE they were lacking something in their diet and replacing it with sugar. IF the diet is fixed then your brain won't be screaming "gimmie something!".
So I think we SHOULD listen to our cravings, but we should analyze them, for example if you are constantly craving crap you actually don't need this crap but should analyze whats wrong in your diet. BUT if you are craving a valid food item (meat, fresh plant foods, nuts, fats, fruits etc)...perhaps your body is not so stupid and its telling you to eat something else because whatever you're eating is not good enough.
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Yuli,I see what you mean, but to me it is simple.I don't get cravings.I'm either hungry or I'm not.So,either I eat or I don't.End of story.I eat beef and lamb but I don't "crave" it.I just eat,then move on with my day.
Cravings,to me,are addictive/obsessive behavior towards foods or whatever other substances.
I also realize I won't be popular here for saying that,primarily because this is a "food" obsessed/focused forum,but so be it. ;)
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Well if I am really hungry and theres is only one thing I will just eat that one thing.
But if I am hungry and there is perhaps four different things I could eat I have to decide which one I want to eat, to help me decide I ask my brain "well what are you craving for?"...provided these "things" aren't garbage and I have been eating (or trying) the best diet I can then HOPEFULLY my brain will say "well I want that thang!" because it needs that thing over all the other things.
So you say "when I am hungry I just eat..", well if you are hungry and you are put two plates of raw meat from two very different animals you HAVE to pick SOMETHING! Unless you wanna eat BOTH? So then I have to wonder how the 'craving' or 'picking something' plays a part in you nutrition.
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to clarify, i wasn't literally like obsessing over wanting to eat some pecans. they were there, i ate some, they tasted good, so i ate more. and more frequently. this is totally natural in my opinion. so if you're saying this is somehow unhealthy or something then we'll just have to agree to disagree.
i think all wild animals 'crave' foods at different times of the year as part of their survival instinct. so i dunno, labeling all raw wild food cravings as addictions seems pretty inaccurate.
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Yuli,fair question.I'll give you an example.The grass fed beef I get is rather lean.So,in order to add fat content I'll switch to lamb for a day,or alternate days or whatever.I don't crave either one.It's more of an "intellectual" choice.As humans in modern society,we have more choices and don't have to spend time hunting.This gives me more time for other things.
My point is,I'm not walking around during the day lickin' my chops for lamb or anything else.
I used to have cravings when I was on SAD(coffee ice cream...etc),so I know the difference. ;)
I find not having cravings very liberating.
Compared to animals,humans(modern humans anyway)have more choices of activity.So,instead of hunting for our next meal,we can build houses,meditate or whatever.
I don't believe that animals behavior is comparable.They eat what they can find and need to be opportunistic,or they starve.
Bottomline: Instead of obssesing/craving certain foods due to flavors or whatever,it's best to keep things simple(I eat because I have to essentially).After I eat,I move on to other things.
Sorry if the above sounds bland,but I don't believe in "sugar-coating" the RPD diet -d
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I have a little craving problem though Im on SAD diet.
Next day after a hard workout Im all sleepy and have craving for sweats tea butter and stuff like that
and I feel like I need to eat but when ever I eat its hard for my body and all I want to do is Sleep after meals. I eat 4-6 meals
and constantly hungry. I need to make this transition to raw because Im tired of feeling like sleepy hungry pieace of shit
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Why not just eat the pecans without the cereals..?
Because the pecans were inside one of the "Healthiest" Cereals evahh it contains 7 Vitamins and Iron!! dont you watch TV??!!?
And the worst part is my little 5 years old sister eats em all day long she gets sick every end of the month and parents feed her antibiotic like its a candy woohoo!! :'( she is so beautiful if she gets some chronic disease or grow bad I have no idea what I am gonna do to mother...
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I suffered from very nasty cravings for highly processed stuff such as Pringle's crisps and black magic chocolates etc. when I was eating a SAD diet all those years ago. I had similiar cravings when I consumed raw dairy. By contrast, years later on a rawpaleodiet, I never had any such cravings for raw grassfed meats, only a mild, instinctive positive feeling after eating them. So, I can see that there is a big difference between unhealthy, addictive cravings which are drug-like in effect, and a natural instinct.
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I don't believe that animals behavior is comparable.They eat what they can find and need to be opportunistic,or they starve.
They eat what they find as long as it is palatable : generally they don’t eat poisonous mushrooms or stuff inedible for their specie. Carnivores run to hunt their prey, but herbivores don’t run to hunt other animals. Conversely, carnivores don’t eat much plants.
It’s easy to observe a cat carefully smelling what we give him to eat and choosing by the smell what is best according to his instinct.
I don’t say that we should totally disregard cravings, they can be useful: it’s an advantage to know in advance what we will like, so that we walk in the right direction to find the food we need, for example it may tell us it’s useless to walk inland to find fruits when we crave for shellfish and not for fruits.
But our cravings are often driven by our memory, and what was delicious last time may not be anymore now since our body needs may have changed during the interval, perhaps because we’ve perhaps filled up of some nutrients contained in the stuff we crave for. So, it’s better to always carefully check by our senses of smell and taste, just like a cat or any other mammal.
Well if I am really hungry and theres is only one thing I will just eat that one thing.
But if I am hungry and there is perhaps four different things I could eat I have to decide which one I want to eat, to help me decide I ask my brain "well what are you craving for?"...provided these "things" aren't garbage and I have been eating (or trying) the best diet I can then HOPEFULLY my brain will say "well I want that thang!" because it needs that thing over all the other things.
Yeah, but we should beware of our brain and we’d better learn from our cats or dogs: they don’t ask their brain, but their nose. ;)
So you say "when I am hungry I just eat..", well if you are hungry and you are put two plates of raw meat from two very different animals you HAVE to pick SOMETHING! Unless you wanna eat BOTH? So then I have to wonder how the 'craving' or 'picking something' plays a part in you nutrition.
Sure. I got a lot of different foodstuffs at home and I have to choose something for my dinner. As I ate durian for lunch, I’m not hungry for sweets (I know it in advance), so perhaps some meat and vegetables. I’ll choose by the smell between the the wild boar, moufflon, deer and badger pieces I have in my fridge – never had so much choice! :P – but in case nothing smells good, I’ll eat perhaps some avocados instead. Then I’ll probably pick some vegetables, also choosing with my nose, trying to disconnect my brain.
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....And the worst part is my little 5 years old sister eats em all day long she gets sick every end of the month and parents feed her antibiotic like its a candy woohoo!! :'( she is so beautiful if she gets some chronic disease or grow bad I have no idea what I am gonna do to mother...
Aaah...I have these same thoughts when I see friends, family, any people I give a shit about, taking their kids to McDonalds or giving them candy and crap etc...I try to say things but its hard to make them realise, not impossible though ;)
Edit: my friends kid has had a lingering cold for like a month now, and they're like "gee why wont it go away"...and I'm like "geeee, maybe if you stop feeding her candy, McDonalds, milk and spraying Lysol like its cocaine then maybe it will"... l) ....lol....now they (the adults) got the kid's cold too, what a surprise, but for them its a flu now. I slept over just recently with with my friend and her kid right beside them and I haven't got no flu, maybe its because I have an immune system. Why don't they connect the two things together.
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Yeah, but we should beware of our brain and we’d better learn from our cats or dogs: they don’t ask their brain, but their nose. ;)
Sure. I got a lot of different foodstuffs at home and I have to choose something for my dinner. As I ate durian for lunch, I’m not hungry for sweets (I know it in advance), so perhaps some meat and vegetables. I’ll choose by the smell between the the wild boar, moufflon, deer and badger pieces I have in my fridge – never had so much choice! :P – but in case nothing smells good, I’ll eat perhaps some avocados instead. Then I’ll probably pick some vegetables, also choosing with my nose, trying to disconnect my brain.
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Thats true but we still need to process the smell with our brain unfortunately, perhaps its a matter of clearing the brain, sort of just meditating on the smell to know if its good instead of thinking about other things.
I wish I could ask my cats what they think, they are so choosy its incredible, and I do feed them raw (although they probably steal kibble from my moms cat and scavenge in neighbours cat's houses :P )
They don't like raw chicken but they are ok with raw turkey. They love both grass-fed and commercial beef though. They adore deer and goat the most. One likes liver the other hates it. One likes cooked chicken treats the other hates it. One likes raw salmon and the other not really. Weirdos.
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Thats true but we still need to process the smell with our brain unfortunately, perhaps its a matter of clearing the brain, sort of just meditating on the smell to know if its good instead of thinking about other things.
Right, exactly that! I should have used the word "mental" instead of "brain".
I wish I could ask my cats what they think, they are so choosy its incredible, and I do feed them raw (although they probably steal kibble from my moms cat and scavenge in neighbours cat's houses :P )
Mine disappeared since Saturday, I hope he'll come back. He already once went away for 3 days, but unexpectedly came back.
So, my cravings rather led me to the avocados, but I nevertheless opened the fridge and carefully smelled at all the meat pieces. The best smelling was the badger leg. The fat was a delight this time, contrary to the first time I tested it about a week ago. I ate almost all that fat and a bit of muscle - very tasty as well but not as tender as most other animals muscles.
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I prefer meats over nuts as I find them easier on my stomach and more satisfying. However when I do eat nuts I make sure to soak them for the day in water with a little bit of vinegar added. Seeds (including nuts) sprout better when the soil is slightly acidic so the vinegar added to the water helps mimic this environment.
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This is part of why I couldn't be vegan. Nuts, raw or otherwise, give me terrible, painful stomach cramps for over a day. The pain is as intense as a kidney stone (I know, I've had a couple).
I'm also allergic to soy and olives (though I can use the oil, just not eat the flesh).
Try being a raw vegan with no nuts, no soy, and no legumes (which give me cramps also, though not quite as bad). I CAN eat peanut butter--but only cooked. I can't eat lima beans, garbonzo beans, kidney beans, chickpeas (but can eat regular peas), and I can't eat uncooked carrots. Carrots, in point of fact, are one of the worst foods for me as far as putting my stomach into sheer agony.
The problem with a lot of the people who push vega/tarianism in whatever form is that they don't take into account the fact that every body isn't the same. If you can't digest half of the needed foods, you're just not going to thrive. I was miserable the entire time I was raw vegan because I was in continual pain and I was faint and dizzy. Couldn't stand up without swooning and having to wait for the blackness to pass.
With almost every kind of eating lifestyle/diet, I think there are bodies that just don't handle it well. When we as human beings start understanding this, and looking at each body as an individual, rather than thinking they're like all the same exact brand and make of car... then we may well begin to find genuine health. But it almost seems like everyone thinks that "what works for me works for everyone, PERIOD."
I somewhat envy those who can do raw vegan and thrive. But I cannot, and denying it for so long made me quite sick. I honestly wonder if my current teeth problems are a product of doing that to myself for so long. Although I know for certain that I was horrifically malnourished as a child and literally got only dog food to eat with the rare bit of ham, bacon, or other "treat" (like the dogs) sometimes. Perhaps it is related to that, but I have my suspicion that trying to force my body to accept a lifestyle that it couldn't thrive in had at least as strong an impact.
You can't fight your body. You just cannot win, because your body doesn't give in, it just gives out.
(Yes, I am aware the OP is long since gone. Just chatting, since the topic is of interest to me and has been bumped)
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I remember hearing we crave which we are allergic to. Like someone said some people with food allergies crave what they're allergic to like a peanut allergy person craving peanuts.
I theorize one side effect of food allergies is craving.
Personally I count nuts/seeds/grains/beans - as a seed. Seeds in my eyes are bird food. They make me itch horribly and the enzyme inhibitors in raw nuts/seeds even sprouted twist my stomach in nuts and would prob lead to food sensitive/food allergy reactions. I avoid them like the plague.
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I tried eating raw nuts before, a couple times. I noticed that when I ate them in small amounts, they seemed to be fine with digestion.. Although I know they are definitely harder to digest than raw meat.
but whenever I ate a lot of them, I noticed that I would get this bright, yellow-orange, very oily substance come out the other end.. and the same stuff even for different types of nuts, I think both raw brazil nuts and raw cashews did this. Though, they were trader joe's brand, and might not have been truly raw, either, but they were labeled as raw. But I have avoided nuts ever since that happened to me a second time.
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Grains: Seed
Nuts and Seeds: Seed
Legumes: Practically Seed
I save the seeds for the birds, their digestive systems were built for it. Humans not really.
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Grains: Seed
Nuts and Seeds: Seed
Legumes: Practically Seed
I save the seeds for the birds, their digestive systems were built for it. Humans not really.
This is perfect.
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I honestly wonder if my current teeth problems are a product of doing that to myself for so long.
Have you ever tried mineral supplements like bone meal or Terramin clay? Those have worked wonders for my teeth problems. Also scallops seem to really heal my teeth, as well as vitamin D supplements.