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Title: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: ladybug20 on January 02, 2013, 01:04:03 am
I was in a relationship for 2 year with a man that i thought i loved and was going to spend my life with. Long story short he treated me badly and i finally left him. I am now in a new relationship and my ex reaches out to me saying he has herpes and I should get tested. I didn't believe him, told my current bf and he said he is probably lying. I never had any symptoms, 3 months went by and then a small sore appeared. I went and got tested and 2 weeks later results came back positive. I never took the medication they gave me because I didn't want to accept that I had it. It never got worse and went away. Can meditation, positive thinking and paleo diet cure me? Im pretty stressed out, and afraid.
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: LePatron7 on January 02, 2013, 01:15:30 am
Herpes isn't that serious an illness typically, however it complicates relationships.
A raw paleo diet, not just paleo, would probably do wonders for symptoms. A strict raw diet of only specific carbohydrate diet legal carbs that are raw COULD even eventually lead to testing negative. Though there's no proof and it would just be an experiment.
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: ladybug20 on January 02, 2013, 01:47:26 am
Any good links for raw paleo diet? I live in north carolina and very new to this new way to eat?
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: TylerDurden on January 02, 2013, 01:50:44 am
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: Suiren on January 02, 2013, 04:27:56 am
I am sorry to hear about your past relationship. Good thing you got out!
I never had Herpes, but had the HPV virus for 8 years and abnormal cancerous cells for half of that time. I never had any treatment other than LEEP surgery in 2010, which did not remove the cells or HPV.
But a year after changing my diet my tests came back not just free of abnormal cells, but also free of HPV entirely! I am positive that not "poisoning" it with things like grains or Pasta already made it easier for my body to heal. My diet is partly cooked and partly raw Paleo right now, but I want to be fully raw in the future.
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: ladybug20 on January 02, 2013, 04:56:48 am
@ Suiren- that is amazing to hear! I have been having such a hard time getting out of my depressed state- my results just came in yesterday and I am in a new relationship. Do you believe that it can be cured with this type of diet? You definitely inspire me to try it and stick with it. Is it expensive?
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: Iguana on January 02, 2013, 05:10:10 am
Of course it self-heals. It's certainly due to cooked, processed food, wheat and/or dairy. I had something alike occurring randomly once in a way from 1973 to 1987 although it was never clearly diagnosed. It progressively decreased but took several years to completely disappear. As a matter of fact it was the minor health trouble I had which took the longest time to self-heal.
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: ladybug20 on January 02, 2013, 05:23:13 am
so stressed i have no desire to eat when i know now i really need to try not to stress and nourish my body and mind. im hoping it was a false positive but the did a culture test:/
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: Suiren on January 02, 2013, 05:28:07 am
@ Suiren- that is amazing to hear! I have been having such a hard time getting out of my depressed state- my results just came in yesterday and I am in a new relationship. Do you believe that it can be cured with this type of diet? You definitely inspire me to try it and stick with it. Is it expensive?
You can only improve on this diet, in more than one way. I will stick with it for life because of the benefits. It might take time for your Herpes to clear, but with this diet you give your body the best foundation to fight it, because you don't bombard it with foods that can cause problems.
We are on a budget too. Keep in mind that any kind of improvement is better than none. We are not always able to buy the highest quality, gras fed meats, but simply cutting out certain foods like grains, dairy, legumes etc. is already good. Then all you need to do is cutting down on cooking foods until you are eating raw.
Edit: If you are not struggling to keep your weight on, fasting a little is not a problem. Eat when you are really hungry and try to eat something healthy-er :) Healthier comfort snacks might be an idea, ...maybe some seeds, nuts and berries and some kombucha tea...or just tea...whatever. Can your boyfriend or a friend be there for you? I felt the same after every stupid diagnosis, you just need time to adjust and think about it.
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: cherimoya_kid on January 02, 2013, 05:35:55 am
Any good links for raw paleo diet? I live in north carolina and very new to this new way to eat?
If you need food sources, let me know. I am from NC, and go back there every weekend.
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: ladybug20 on January 02, 2013, 05:41:11 am
Well the first sore that appeared was very small- never spread or got worse and went a way in about a week- so i was really believing that it was nothing. They say the first outbreak is the worse but it wasn't for me. What are the chances it could be a false positive? @ Cherimoya- I am in Charlotte
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: goodsamaritan on January 02, 2013, 05:57:17 am
I was in a relationship for 2 year with a man that i thought i loved and was going to spend my life with. Long story short he treated me badly and i finally left him. I am now in a new relationship and my ex reaches out to me saying he has herpes and I should get tested. I didn't believe him, told my current bf and he said he is probably lying. I never had any symptoms, 3 months went by and then a small sore appeared. I went and got tested and 2 weeks later results came back positive. I never took the medication they gave me because I didn't want to accept that I had it. It never got worse and went away. Can meditation, positive thinking and paleo diet cure me? Im pretty stressed out, and afraid.
Stop being stressed, that will make it worse.
Aside from diet, you can also explore these things:
Also I've been sleeping with my girlfriend for 2 years now, unprotected, through supposed 'outbreaks' (please! lol)
PM me and I'll tell you more. Herpes is not the problem.!
Hey, you've got something really interesting info there. Can you just reply it here so we can all see as well?
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: CitrusHigh on January 02, 2013, 11:16:12 am
GS I wasn't going to say anything to D that I haven't written to the rest of the group multiple times.
Everyone has their own opinions here on where microbes fit in and their purposes, and mine (based on the most up to date science I can find AND an RVAF perspective), especially in regards to phages, is that the reason we think viruses are harmful is because we've only really been able to study them by looking at the damage they cause.
For example if they want to study a mosaic virus, then they'll look at a plant that is being 'eaten' (dissolved?) by this virus.
more to come, dinner now!
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: cherimoya_kid on January 02, 2013, 11:49:42 am
Well the first sore that appeared was very small- never spread or got worse and went a way in about a week- so i was really believing that it was nothing. They say the first outbreak is the worse but it wasn't for me. What are the chances it could be a false positive? @ Cherimoya- I am in Charlotte
I don't know of a lot of resources in the Charlotte area. You might want to check some local seafood markets around there. Whole Foods generally has excellent seafood. I'm from a little bit north of Winston-Salem, but I've spent time in Charlotte before, I've worked there a couple of times. What part of Charlotte, roughly, are you in?
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: ladybug20 on January 03, 2013, 12:50:31 pm
please everyone keep the info coming- could really use all the help and support i can get :(
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: Inger on January 03, 2013, 04:54:42 pm
Ok. Here comes some more support. :) I got the herpes virus "down there" 13 years ago. First time was painful. After that I had it occasionally, but it was not a big deal, healed fast and the better I lived the less I got the outbreak. It is just as herpes on your lips. Nothing more. I had herpes on my lips from since I was a kid. In nursing school my teacher told us if you have a herpes outbreak on your lips and then have sex and kisses one another a bit everywhere.. ;) it can spread to the genitals. You absolutely need NOT to stress at all about this issue, just take good care of yourself and you will have no outbreaks, or if they appear, they will be very minor and almost not noticeable. You might just avoid sex then. I usually had the outbreaks, if, at the same times with TOM maybe womens body is as its weakest then.
The virus might always stay in your body but it is a virus hat, I think, the most people carries anyways. ;)
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: wodgina on January 04, 2013, 05:03:23 am
A lot of women have it (around 25%). Another reason not to wash too much as the oils in your skin will kill virus's.
You should probably tell beta males you sleep with prior to sleeping with someone again that you have it. Alpha's probably have it anyway.
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: raw-al on January 05, 2013, 02:25:01 am
Some good advice here.
My dad used to get cankers and as a pharmacist he took something to alleviate it.
I worked shiftwork and was weakened by the weird hours and after awhile I started getting them. Took me awhile to figure it out but it was sour things that triggered it ie fruit juice and also fried things. Stress is a biggy also as well as things with sugar in them. I get them within 24 hours. I learned from Ayurveda what triggered them. Yogurt, kefir, fruit are also triggers.
Eating raw food is a good thing but raw fruit still does it.
However having said all of that, a friend of mine in Africa ran his Rife machine on me, by putting some of my DNA (fingernail) between the handholds. http://www.rifemedic.co.za/ (http://www.rifemedic.co.za/) model RM5 Voila, no more cankers. He also ran it on my liver and BEP, curing both. The amazing part as he did it from South Africa, 13,074 kms away from me. I bought one subsequently.
Cankers as well as a large # of other issues including chicken pox are versions of Herpes apparently.
Bottom line is that sour things will tend to trigger them in me, but now they are gone, sour things still upset my stomach. Poor diet will definitely set them off
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: raw-al on January 05, 2013, 02:51:53 am
Some more info...
Give up washing with soap. Seems counterintuitive but soap is responsible for all kinds of ills. It washes away the natural oils on the skin so completely, that infection easily sets in. In any areas where there is mucous membrane such as anus, vagina, penis, mouth, nose eyes it is a very bad idea to wash away the oils. The oils seal the pores preventing bacteria getting in. When the oils are gone the skin dries, and cracks and in bad cases will bleed.
Widespread use of soap is simply an example of advertising at it's worst. People have been convinced that it is not only necessary but disgusting not to use it.
Additionally you might consider doing 'abhyanga' or a massage with light cooking oils such as olive, sesame or almond or coconut daily before your shower or bath. http://abhyanga-rub-yourself-the-right-way.blogspot.ca/ (http://abhyanga-rub-yourself-the-right-way.blogspot.ca/)
Consuming raw fats will help also.
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: Suiren on January 05, 2013, 06:30:22 am
I like what you explained about the soap, and I want to add that soap is alkaline, while the body's pH is rather acidic, so it really creates an imbalance. Stripping your skin of oils, can also cause excessive oil production, because the skin is trying to make up for moisture loss, but too much oil is not good either, and the overload can cause all kinds of skin problems (including acne).
I think that is good to keep in mind when people speak of being soap-less as being "dirty"...because really I find it much more gross to have your skin be so out of balance it produces a bunch of gunk and has no defense barrier whatsoever. :/
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: raw-al on January 05, 2013, 07:51:38 am
Making a glove from two pieces of raw silk sewn together, will also serve in the abhyanga rather than using oil.
You're right suirien, I always think in terms of somewhat dry skin, but some do have oily skin.
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: ladybug20 on January 06, 2013, 12:17:45 pm
what do you guys think about the elemental miracle or oil of oregano wild mediteranean variety and DMSO used together..they say that it kills the virus completely. Though i do not now how to get the elemental miracle?
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: goodsamaritan on January 06, 2013, 03:25:32 pm
I'm familiar with using wild oregano oil. But I'm not familiar with dmso. Wild oregano oil will kill germs, add health with raw paleo diet and you win.
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: Iguana on January 06, 2013, 06:22:27 pm
what do you guys think about the elemental miracle or oil of oregano wild mediteranean variety and DMSO used together..they say that it kills the virus completely. Though i do not now how to get the elemental miracle?
Maybe better so since the virus is certainly useful!
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: Nora on January 06, 2013, 06:49:56 pm
I read in AV's book that the herpes virus has been known to cure cancer. Perhaps it is not all bad. I used to get herpes outbreaks but I have not had one in 6 years. I have never used any kind of medicine for it.
How would you use the oregano oil and DMSO? Would you ingest it or put it on the herpes sore? I think the virus supposedly lives in the nerves.
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: goodsamaritan on January 06, 2013, 09:51:07 pm
Beam ray will kill herpes. I'll tell you an example case if you are interested.
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: ladybug20 on January 07, 2013, 12:13:48 am
You would take 5 drops under the tongue twice a day and also rub on your spine- and also rub DMSO on your spine- says that people have reported being herpes free in less then a month
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: jessica on January 07, 2013, 12:15:29 am
make sure you are getting plenty of the amino acide lysine and zinc in your diet(and not too much of their antagonists!) sun light will help. grape fruit seed extract is pretty legit for killing bacteria, i am wondering how well it would work for a virus?
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: Iguana on January 07, 2013, 01:45:08 am
Why the hell do you all want to kill or get rid of the poor virus? ;) It's not even alive and certainly contains the genetic information allowing our bodies to expel some specific kind of noxious abnormal molecules.
Stop ingesting those molecules and your herpes will progressively get inactive, the virus just remaining in stand by, available in case it could be needed again. :)
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: Inger on January 07, 2013, 03:12:27 am
Francois and Thoth are onto something... I too strongly believe viruses are something good for us, at least mostly..
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: raw-al on January 07, 2013, 03:20:03 am
Beam ray will kill herpes. I'll tell you an example case if you are interested.
For anyone who is interested the beam ray works the same as the one I have. They both work on frequency.
Iguana,
You are right in that the herpes acts as a warning signal that you are eating or doing something wrong. It acts like a safety valve and is sending a message. If you don't heed it some other thing will get seriously damaged.
It's kind of like driving down the highway and the engine starts to run dry of oil, so it slows down and rather than fix the oil problem, you push harder on the gas.
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: ladybug20 on January 07, 2013, 03:25:50 am
Even if it is inactive it's still highly contagious and I don't want to have to worry about spreading it- why would anyone want this in there bodies
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: ladybug20 on January 07, 2013, 03:42:18 am
I'm interested in beam ray
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: Iguana on January 07, 2013, 04:26:07 am
Even if it is inactive it's still highly contagious and I don't want to have to worry about spreading it- why would anyone want this in there bodies
Additional genetic info is a valuable asset and can be useful... :)
But anyway I don’t think you have to worry about it. No one of my subsequent girlfriends ever had any symptoms, even when it was active on me while we were eating cooked food plus dairy.
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: ladybug20 on January 07, 2013, 04:31:28 am
Additional genetic info is a valuable asset and can be useful... :)
But anyway I don’t think you have to worry about it. No one of my subsequent girlfriends ever had any symptoms, even when it was active on me while we were eating cooked food plus dairy.
That doesnt mean they wont later down the line. Im going to stick with the oil or oregano and dmso cream to see if i can kill it and test negative- thats my choice and believe with all my heart it will work
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: jessica on January 07, 2013, 05:42:32 am
perhaps i should have phrased it "grapeseed extract may help compliment your bodies abilities to bring itself to a healthier equilibrium" fucks sake that is a mouthful!
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: goodsamaritan on January 07, 2013, 07:13:41 am
Our beam ray operator works with his daughter as an assistant. They went on a vacation to a mountain city and were cold, his daughter bought a 2nd hand jacket. She found out later on that this 2nd hand jacket was infested with herpes. So she got herpes from the jacket. And her herpes was all over her body. (she was the sexually inactive type of lady, so the cause of herpes was found from the 2nd hand jacket) So since they were beam ray operators, they treated her herpes with beam ray... and that did away with the herpes.
How did they know it was herpes? They set the beam ray frequencies to herpes. And her herpes went away.
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: ladybug20 on January 07, 2013, 07:19:27 am
did it get rid of the virus?
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: goodsamaritan on January 07, 2013, 07:54:08 am
I think I made it clear that she was totally cured.
But you may just want to call him just to be clear on the issue. You might also wish to talk to his daughter / assistant... her name is Amy.
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: ladybug20 on January 07, 2013, 08:50:07 am
ok thank you!
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: raw-al on January 07, 2013, 08:55:24 am
Re the Beam ray There are lots of people in the US with Beam Rays and other similar devices. That is a brand name for a rife machine that uses a light for treatment. Mine uses electrical current but I use it long distance.
There is a forum called the Rifeforum.com where people talk about their devices treatments etc. It is down for maintenance today and possibly tomorrow but it's a good place to find out about it.
I spoke with Edwin's friend Romy awhile back and he was quite friendly and helpful. He convinced me that it worked well. He was right.
It just occurred to me that for simplicity sake, if I were in your situation, I would go for the simplest and cheapest treatment of all: Hydrogen Peroxide H2O2, either topically or orally unless you want to try a Doctor who will administer it intravenously.
I suspect topically by using 35% food grade HP, thinning it out to 3.5% by adding 9 parts distilled water and putting it in an absolutely clean spray bottle used for fine spray and then simply spraying the problem area. It should be almost instantaneous off to Herpes heaven for the little critters.
No worries about that being toxic because you can also use it as a mouth spray.
Stuff is amazing!
Here is an explanation... http://educate-yourself.org/cancer/benefitsofhydrogenperozide17jul03.shtml (http://educate-yourself.org/cancer/benefitsofhydrogenperozide17jul03.shtml) It's been around for a long time and has a good track record.
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: ladybug20 on January 07, 2013, 09:09:28 am
thanks- im going to do the oil of oregano and dsmo cream combination to try and kill the virus. i dont have outbreaks- just one really tiny one. Already ordered it >:
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: Wattlebird on January 07, 2013, 09:17:30 am
for what its worth, excuse my ramblings, but.... In my opinion, 'cure' is not always what takes place, or is not necessarily always the best goal. Searching for 'cures' often increases inner conflict about ones situation, rather than fostering a more peaceful (less stressed) inner landscape. I find with many health situations (illnesses, maladies, etc), its not so much as being cured, as rather the organism falls into a harmonious accord. Moreover, quite often folk with serious conditions like cancer, (who end up surviving and living into old age) are not 'cured' as such, but rather the cancer has gone to sleep, is inactive. Personally, I dont see herpes virus as something one can 'cure,' in the sense that it is eradicated from the body forevermore, but rather it becomes inactive, or is not required by the body, as part of the overall homeostatic processes of the organism. One can also view maladies such as herpes as something to be conquered, wiped out, killed, etc, or one can accept (it) as part of the inherent wisdom of the body, and honor its role (even if it might not fit into roles we may think are integral to the functioning intelligence of the body). Eating sound foods, getting plenty of natural therapy (sunlight, wind, fresh air, starlight, salt water, lakewater, spending time amongst trees, plants, on the seashore, in gardens, in the hills, fields, forests, etc with exposure through the skin) and working to increase mindfulnesses of the grandeur of the moment now, is a fantastic way to navigate through any illness, facilitating healing the dis-ease it causes to ones mental state, and initiating overall harmony in the organism.
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: Neone on January 07, 2013, 10:12:48 am
I like the sound of our bodies manufacturing the virus itself.. but then its pretty obvious to me that things like colds spread through people. I personally see a virus jumping from one person to the next and living in them, rather than I go around someone who has a cold, and they send out some frequency from their body that initiates the virus production in my own body, or however you're telling me it works...?
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: goodsamaritan on January 07, 2013, 11:33:41 am
for what its worth, excuse my ramblings, but.... In my opinion, 'cure' is not always what takes place, or is not necessarily always the best goal. Searching for 'cures' often increases inner conflict about ones situation, rather than fostering a more peaceful (less stressed) inner landscape. I find with many health situations (illnesses, maladies, etc), its not so much as being cured, as rather the organism falls into a harmonious accord. Moreover, quite often folk with serious conditions like cancer, (who end up surviving and living into old age) are not 'cured' as such, but rather the cancer has gone to sleep, is inactive. Personally, I dont see herpes virus as something one can 'cure,' in the sense that it is eradicated from the body forevermore, but rather it becomes inactive, or is not required by the body, as part of the overall homeostatic processes of the organism. One can also view maladies such as herpes as something to be conquered, wiped out, killed, etc, or one can accept (it) as part of the inherent wisdom of the body, and honor its role (even if it might not fit into roles we may think are integral to the functioning intelligence of the body). Eating sound foods, getting plenty of natural therapy (sunlight, wind, fresh air, starlight, salt water, lakewater, spending time amongst trees, plants, on the seashore, in gardens, in the hills, fields, forests, etc with exposure through the skin) and working to increase mindfulnesses of the grandeur of the moment now, is a fantastic way to navigate through any illness, facilitating healing the dis-ease it causes to ones mental state, and initiating overall harmony in the organism.
I'm now officially a waatlebird fan.
Hope Mr D can understand in time that there are many ways to look at health issues.
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: ladybug20 on January 07, 2013, 02:36:12 pm
Beautifully said - but would it still be contagious?
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: Wattlebird on January 07, 2013, 03:05:41 pm
Beautifully said - but would it still be contagious?
Hi Demorican, not sure if you are referring to my comment, or someone elses. -\ However, personally I would not be having sex (protected or otherwise) while the sores are present. I would allow the skin to heal and favour other means of intimacy and sharing for that time. The sores will heal. If you are near the sea, saltwater has great restorative qualities. Kind wishes, J :)
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: raw-al on January 07, 2013, 10:53:37 pm
I like the sound of our bodies manufacturing the virus itself.. but then its pretty obvious to me that things like colds spread through people. I personally see a virus jumping from one person to the next and living in them, rather than I go around someone who has a cold, and they send out some frequency from their body that initiates the virus production in my own body, or however you're telling me it works...?
I learned this, maybe someone can tell me if it is right: Colds are not actually passed on, rather something in your body is activated to cause it to detox (in form of a cold). If there is no need to detox, you won't get the cold. My son (17 mos.) never gets anything. I could be sneezing and coughing over him all day, and he would just be fine. I barely get sick since eating raw/cooked Paleo. I will get very minor cold symptoms for one or two days. If anything the stuffy nose lasts the longest. When I was transitioning to Paleo, I did get sick too, but far less bad than I used to.
I am thinking my body does not need to detox much anymore. And my son is on breast milk and all RPD, so he is even better.
What puzzles me though...is how this reaction happens, something coming from the sick person must trigger it.
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Personally, I dont see herpes virus as something one can 'cure,' in the sense that it is eradicated from the body forevermore, but rather it becomes inactive, or is not required by the body, as part of the overall homeostatic processes of the organism.
Could it be the same with my HPV? The doctor said it was cleared, meaning no HPV was even found after my last test. I also wonder if it could reactivate if that was the case. I suppose so...
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: wodgina on January 08, 2013, 07:24:19 am
I rarely get colds and its psychological. I just say 'nup I'm not getting a cold'.
Colds are an emotional deterrent... feel the pain of a cold rather than emotions.
You hear of people who have crippling anxiety but once they get a terrible cold the anxiety completely disappears.
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: Iguana on January 08, 2013, 07:32:59 am
I learned this, maybe someone can tell me if it is right: Colds are not actually passed on, rather something in your body is activated to cause it to detox (in form of a cold). If there is no need to detox, you won't get the cold.
Yes, the most adequate and simplest theory (best explaining the known facts, including those we note with raw paleo nutrition) is due to GCB and it says the virus or bacteria are passed on, providing specific information to the cells and the body on how to detox. But if there's nothing to detox, you don't get ill.
Those detox "programs" are adapted to small amounts of toxins such as can occasionally be found in nature, for example in a food that has been heated on a rock in the sun or grilled in a forest fire. Thus, if a constant intake of the kind of toxins the “program” is meant to expel happens 3 times a day with a standard cooked diet, this “program” tends to runaway out of control.
So, there is contagion (it's a fact we can't deny) but in normal conditions it's beneficial. The cooked, processed, modern and neolithic foods cause abnormal conditions which can make virus and some bacteria dangerous.
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: Suiren on January 08, 2013, 08:36:43 am
Thanks for explaining Iguana! It will be interesting to see how much I will react when I am fully on Raw Paleo.
wodgina Lately I haven't been getting colds much at all, so last time I was convinced I would not get anything and then had a runny nose and eyes for a day. Maybe it would have been worse though if I was paranoid about getting sick.
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: wodgina on January 08, 2013, 08:59:43 pm
Thanks for explaining Iguana! It will be interesting to see how much I will react when I am fully on Raw Paleo.
wodgina Lately I haven't been getting colds much at all, so last time I was convinced I would not get anything and then had a runny nose and eyes for a day. Maybe it would have been worse though if I was paranoid about getting sick.
Who knows S. I think not wanting to get a cold can cause a cold?
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: Suiren on January 08, 2013, 10:22:16 pm
Maybe...
Next time I will just be laid back, welcome any cold (detox) it happens, but not expect it.
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: cherimoya_kid on January 08, 2013, 11:41:43 pm
Yes, the most adequate and simplest theory (best explaining the known facts, including those we note with raw paleo nutrition) is due to GCB and it says the virus or bacteria are passed on, providing specific information to the cells and the body on how to detox. But if there's nothing to detox, you don't get ill.
Those detox "programs" are adapted to small amounts of toxins such as can occasionally be found in nature, for example in a food that has been heated on a rock in the sun or grilled in a forest fire. Thus, if a constant intake of the kind of toxins the “program” is meant to expel happens 3 times a day with a standard cooked diet, this “program” tends to runaway out of control.
So, there is contagion (it's a fact we can't deny) but in normal conditions it's beneficial. The cooked, processed, modern and neolithic foods cause abnormal conditions which can make virus and some bacteria dangerous.
This does not explain how wild animals, eating their natural diet, can die of disease epidemics.
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: Iguana on January 09, 2013, 01:08:32 am
That’s true. The theory is only valid for all the human viruses and germs we have experienced up to now. There might some viruses able to wipe out most of a population when it got too dense or couldn't adapt to a modified environment.
Epidemics in wild animals populations generally happen when they became too numerous and/or can't find enough of all their normal foods. This may be due to:
- an habitat constrained or destroyed by human presence; - human pressure has pushed them to move to an area not really suited and where they miss certain nutrients or cannot properly balance their diet; - overpopulation because their predators have been eliminated; - water and/or food pollution; - there might be some other causes of which I have no idea at the moment.
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: cherimoya_kid on January 09, 2013, 01:33:45 am
That’s true. The theory is only valid for all the human virus and germs we have experienced up to now. There might some virus able to wipe out most of a population when it got too dense or couldn't adapt to a modified environment.
Epidemics in wild animals populations generally happen when they became too numerous and/or can't find enough of all their normal foods. This may be due to:
- an habitat constrained or destroyed by human presence; - human pressure has pushed them to move to an area not really suited and where they miss certain nutrients or cannot properly balance their diet; - overpopulation because their predators have been eliminated; - water and/or food pollution; - there might be some other causes of which I have no idea at the moment.
Wild animals can die of infectious diseases even on their species-appropriate diet. Would you like a cite on that?
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: Iguana on January 09, 2013, 01:54:53 am
Sure, please go on.
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: LePatron7 on January 09, 2013, 02:02:03 am
Unfortunately, without paying $34 we can't read the next pages of this article dated of 1931.
Weston Price published his work in the 1920s and 1930s. For that matter, the French scientist who wrote about white blood cells and cooked food wrote his article in the 1920s, right?
But never mind all that. How about this? The bubonic plague killed 1/4 to 1/3 of Europeans several times. They were pretty much all eating the diet appropriate for their social class, yet some died and some did not. Why did some die, while others did not? it's obviously not nutritional. It's mostly genetic. Some people have more genetic resistance than others to specific diseases. It's just reality, and it's pointless to deny it.
Just like some people tolerate some foods better than other people because of genetics, some people tolerate some microbes better than others. We all vary genetically in many, many different ways.
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: TylerDurden on January 09, 2013, 03:43:53 pm
CK does have a strong point re genetics/epigenetics. But I also think that environment plays a large part. I mean, peoples' diet varied greatly in the Middle-Ages with the aristocrats eating a quite different diet from the peasants, for example(more meats), and some individuals might have become more likely to survive because they'd recently had a flu which boosted their immune-system afterwards or something similiar. It would be interesting to find out what proportion of nobles survived compared to the peasants.
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: wodgina on January 09, 2013, 04:40:45 pm
Weston Price published his work in the 1920s and 1930s. For that matter, the French scientist who wrote about white blood cells and cooked food wrote his article in the 1920s, right?
But never mind all that. How about this? The bubonic plague killed 1/4 to 1/3 of Europeans several times. They were pretty much all eating the diet appropriate for their social class, yet some died and some did not. Why did some die, while others did not? it's obviously not nutritional. It's mostly genetic. Some people have more genetic resistance than others to specific diseases. It's just reality, and it's pointless to deny it.
Just like some people tolerate some foods better than other people because of genetics, some people tolerate some microbes better than others. We all vary genetically in many, many different ways.
At least they are immune to HIV now!
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: Iguana on January 09, 2013, 06:59:57 pm
Weston Price published his work in the 1920s and 1930s. For that matter, the French scientist who wrote about white blood cells and cooked food wrote his article in the 1920s, right? But never mind all that.
Yes, I didn’t mean that the article is obsolete and invalid by mentioning its year of publication. So I agree, it doesn’t matter. I would like to search for other articles and info on this, but it takes time and answering to various topics here already takes a lot of time.
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How about this? The bubonic plague killed 1/4 to 1/3 of Europeans several times. They were pretty much all eating the diet appropriate for their social class, yet some died and some did not. Why did some die, while others did not? it's obviously not nutritional. It's mostly genetic. Some people have more genetic resistance than others to specific diseases. It's just reality, and it's pointless to deny it.
It seems some people are somewhat less un-adapted than others to cooked and Neolithic foods. For example, most Scandinavians seem to be partly adapted to dairy while South-Asian and Africans are not. There are also individual genetic variations between individuals amongst the same population group. That’s the way evolution works: the best adapted survive, the others die.
So, we can see it as a difference in genetic partial adaptation to new foods rather than resistance to specific diseases. Also some people are stronger than others and the feeble are eliminated first. Both factors are certainly at work. Anyway, the final result is the same.
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Just like some people tolerate some foods better than other people because of genetics, some people tolerate some microbes better than others. We all vary genetically in many, many different ways.
Yes, except that I don’t see the need to introduce resistance to microbes into the equation because we would fall back into the theory of Pasteur — which can perhaps also explain all the known facts but with much complications and circumvolutions. We can understand it by considering that some people are less intoxinated than others because they are better equipped to eliminate the toxins (or whatever reason). Therefore Occam’s razor is very much in favor of GCB’s theory which is simpler and explains all the known facts equally well or even better.
A NEW THEORETICAL MODEL OF VIRAL PHENOMENA http://www.reocities.com/HotSprings/7627/ggvirus.html (http://www.reocities.com/HotSprings/7627/ggvirus.html)
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: Iguana on January 09, 2013, 07:16:18 pm
(…) and some individuals might have become more likely to survive because they'd recently had a flu which boosted their immune-system afterwards or something similiar. (…)
Toxins are obviously eliminated by the flu, so that the overall intoxination level is decreased. Such “detoxination” sicknesses therefore reduce the likelihood of being victim of deadly auto-immune diseases or cancers which are entirely different things than detoxination.
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: cherimoya_kid on January 09, 2013, 08:31:42 pm
CK does have a strong point re genetics/epigenetics. But I also think that environment plays a large part. I mean, peoples' diet varied greatly in the Middle-Ages with the aristocrats eating a quite different diet from the peasants, for example(more meats), and some individuals might have become more likely to survive because they'd recently had a flu which boosted their immune-system afterwards or something similiar. It would be interesting to find out what proportion of nobles survived compared to the peasants.
You are right about the nobles and peasants eating different diets. However, large portions of both of those groups died, so diet wasn't a crucial difference.
You also make a good point about previous infections helping with detox.
I really think that people vary not only in their ability to detox specific toxins efficiently, but also in their immunity to specific microbes. It looks like both genetics and epigenetics play a role in those two areas, detoxing and immunity.
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: sabertooth on January 10, 2013, 09:50:06 am
It looks like the chimeras box has been opened.
There is so much more at work in viral outbreaks than just the cleansing of toxins. There are genetic realignments, and intracellular battles that occur and for the most part are not fully understood. There is an element of Darwin's survival of the fittest as well involved. Organisms that are unfit will undergo a viral episode in order to force it back in line within the laws of the biological order. Sometimes the organism is so unfit or hasn't the right mechanics to survive the ordeal and it is killed in the process. This is the ugly truth that one has to face. Survival of the fittest isn't always fair , just or logical!
There is an element of Genocide involved in this biological struggle. Take for example small pox and the American Natives. The Europeans had lived in such septic conditions and ate such horrific foods for so many generations that they were forced to undergo the most sever outbreaks of viral realignment ever in the history of Man. Small pox emerged as a particularly powerful viral agent. Because of generations of inherited immunity the European peoples developed certain adaptions to their immune systems which gave them some protection against the powerful strains of virus. When these traveler brought small Pox with them to the new world, the native populations had no such genetic protection against the supper bugs brought over. The viral outbreak of small pox hit them so hard that even those in their prime where killed. Possibly because immune overreaction to the mutigenic effects of the alien virus. They were just not properly adapted to receive such a powerful viral agent and where virtually wiped out in just a few generations.
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: raw-al on January 11, 2013, 01:55:28 am
Sabertooth, The arrival of the white men on the shores of America was a low day in the life of the natives.
I had understood that initially the disease that was spread was scarlet fever which came ashore from a slave brought over from Africa. This devastated the middle Americas and South America and I suspect spread up through the southern part of N. America.
Now obviously this does not lay the blame on the poor slave, as he was lucky to even survive the ocean passage in the horrific conditions they were put in, stuffed like sardines in the hold of a ship.
Another theory is that the animals (pigs especially) that were brought on the boats for provisions during the voyages, were brought ashore and raised and some escaped into the wild bringing their bacteria load with them, which the local native population ate, and caught the same illnesses that Euros were dealing with.
One author suggests that the Euros kept their animals in shelters (barns) which meant they walked around in their own excrement and this was likely the cause of their sicknesses.
Native NAs had no such situation and neither did SA natives as their animals lived outside always so no walking and sleeping in their excrement.
Of course whatever the source, the destruction of the aboriginals was so complete that even the white man's guns were not really necessary to bring them to their knees.
Apparently the natives were very much into agriculture despite what earlier historians surmised, as most of the Eastern US was deforested and planted with crops. There was also a lot more natives than originally guesstimated. When I was young the estimates were 1/2 million in North America but now the estimates are up around 90 million.
It's only by a quirk of fate that the Chinese weren't the first 'off continent invaders' to NA about 300 to 400 years before the honkies arrived.
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: TylerDurden on January 11, 2013, 03:19:31 am
The estimate of 90 million seems way above the reality then.
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: CitrusHigh on January 11, 2013, 05:00:18 am
You are right about the nobles and peasants eating different diets. However, large portions of both of those groups died, so diet wasn't a crucial difference.
You also make a good point about previous infections helping with detox.
The diet is still the crucial point, how many people during the bubonic plague era were eating any raw meat? Probably slim to none. So nobility would only have likely had higher rates of survival than the general populace if they had any kind of less bad diet, and I do believe that's precisely what we would see if we studied them. Nobility with a heavily animal diet and some raw dairy would have faired so much better than the general populace living on starches, and relatively bad starches at that.
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: TylerDurden on January 11, 2013, 05:28:25 am
Precisely. The nobility had far more access to (albeit cooked) meat than the lower classes.
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: Suiren on January 11, 2013, 08:02:33 am
Nobility with a heavily animal diet and some raw dairy would have faired so much better than the general populace living on starches, and relatively bad starches at that.
This might not be the best example, but the vikings ate a diet mostly consisting of meat, wild berries and fruits and some dairy (I think often goat) and mead (fermented honey drink). In the early Middle ages most were not farming much. Vikings were much taller than the average European and lived slightly longer lives. They were known as strong warriors. Their diet might have helped. Just a thought.
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: LePatron7 on January 11, 2013, 09:45:24 am
I was just doing my usual reading on this website - www.microbialinfluence.com (http://www.microbialinfluence.com) - it seems every time I look I find something new.
"NF-?B (nuclear factor-kappa B) is a protein complex that plays a key role in regulating the immune response to infection. Unfortunately, incorrect regulation of NF-?B has been linked to cancer, inflammatory and autoimmune diseases, septic shock, viral infection, and improper immune development."
Maybe there's something to what the microbes in the gut are doing and herpes.
I know when I saw this, I was shocked, and I'm sure the same applies to herpes.
"Lipopolysaccharide (LPS) potently stimulates human immunodeficiency virus type 1-long terminal repeat (HIV-1-LTR) CAT constructs transfected into monocyte/macrophage-like cell lines but not a T cell line. This effect appears to be mediated through the induction of nuclear factor kappa B (NF-kappa B). Electrophoretic mobility shift assays demonstrate that LPS induces a DNA binding activity indistinguishable from NF-kappa B in U937 and THP-1 cells. LPS is also shown to dramatically increase HIV-1 production from a chronically infected monocyte/macrophage-like cloned cell line, U1, which produces very low levels of HIV-1 at baseline. The stimulation of viral production from this cell line occurs only if these cells are treated with granulocyte/macrophage colony-stimulating factor (GM-CSF) before treatment with LPS. This stimulation of HIV-1 production is correlated with an increase in the level of HIV-1 RNA and and activation of NF-kappa B. LPS is not able to induce HIV-1 production in a cloned T cell line. The effect of LPS on HIV-1 replication occurs at picogram per milliliter concentrations and may be clinically significant in understanding the variability of the natural history of HIV-1 infection."
If something that goes on with the microbes can affect the rate HIV replicates, who knows if tweeking the microbes can give you resistance to HIV, herpes, etc. Like Thoth has stated, he is symptom free even after being exposed to various typically pathogenic bacteria/virus.
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: raw-al on January 11, 2013, 11:58:16 pm
The estimate of 90 million seems way above the reality then.
That number came from at least one book I read and I cannot point to a definitive source. You may be right.
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: aLptHW4k4y on March 29, 2013, 02:52:10 pm
I've just been reading on how some viruses (virotherapy) are potentially very effective for treating cancer. The article is focusing on something else, but still interesting: http://www.aeonmagazine.com/living-together/alexander-masters-crowdfunding-cancer-treatments/ (http://www.aeonmagazine.com/living-together/alexander-masters-crowdfunding-cancer-treatments/)
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: svrn on April 04, 2013, 02:21:51 am
stds are a fraud to push condoms as part of the depopulation agenda.
the systems message?
"have all the sex you want with plenty of people. just make sure you wear a rubber so you dont get an std (the worst std being a baby according to the new world order)"
yes paleo diet cures "stds".
colloidal silver helps too. I got an "std" once when I wasnt having sex at the time. Colloidal silver destroyed it.
I think tis usually best to let the detox run its course on its own but I was freaking out and the colloidal silver showed me theres nothing to worry about.
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: cherimoya_kid on April 04, 2013, 08:42:57 am
stds are a fraud to push condoms as part of the depopulation agenda.
the systems message?
"have all the sex you want with plenty of people. just make sure you wear a rubber so you dont get an std (the worst std being a baby according to the new world order)"
yes paleo diet cures "stds".
colloidal silver helps too. I got an "std" once when I wasnt having sex at the time. Colloidal silver destroyed it.
I think tis usually best to let the detox run its course on its own but I was freaking out and the colloidal silver showed me theres nothing to worry about.
STDs don't spontaneously arise (well, only one time, in the original host). They are spread by contact. A healthy immune response, assisted by good diet, is a good way to avoid some of the worst effects of STDs. However, STDs don't just happen on their own.
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: svrn on April 04, 2013, 11:44:50 pm
I havent had sex in almost a year when this happened.
there is no such thing as an std. Just because someone has eczema or something like that on their genitals doesnt mean itn came from sexual contact. These things can erupt anywhere on the body and the genitals are no exception.
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: cherimoya_kid on April 05, 2013, 12:42:08 am
Just because someone has eczema or something like that on their genitals doesnt mean itn came from sexual contact. These things can erupt anywhere on the body and the genitals are no exception.
Yes, I recognize this. However, diseases like syphilis and gonorrhea didn't exist in certain parts of the world until they were introduced by people that already had them. Syphilis didn't arise naturally in Europe. It came from the Americas. Gonorrhea did the opposite, it spread from Europe to the Americas.
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: svrn on April 05, 2013, 01:53:58 am
I dont believe you can naturally catch diseases like that. It is my belief that they are produced in the body for detoxification and all illness is simply detoxification.
now bilogical weapons are a whole different story. Im only talking about natural stuff right now
either way, im not scared of any stds or viruses of any sort.
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: goodsamaritan on April 05, 2013, 05:57:29 am
Crabs and mites? though it can be thought of as hair to hair. :)
I do agree with you about that "STDs" are mostly bogus from a real healing point of view.
Though there is such a thing as abuse.
Such as people doing things to abuse their own sexual functions.
Like having too much sex too frequently.
Like doing deviant sexual acts that results in injuries to themselves because the organs weren't designed to do those things.
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: svrn on April 05, 2013, 06:01:19 am
I wouldnt consider crabs a disease. Theyr just an animal that likes to live in hair.
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: van on April 05, 2013, 06:28:09 am
Troll, if I had sex with another with syphilis or gonorrhea chances are I'd catch it. And since I don't have it now, what then is the connection between not having it and then getting it from another. Or are you saying that you can not catch it from another, OR, that it's to my benefit If I do catch it because it will speed some other healing or increase the release of toxins that I didn't even know I had?
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: goodsamaritan on April 05, 2013, 09:00:56 am
We raw paleo dieters have a sense of over confidence that we have better immunity than the common 21st century person.
Since we are more attune with our health, we would not be into having sex with sick people, right? There are obvious indicators and they turn off sexual attraction towards that sick person.
Even if we did make the mistake once or twice, our immune system will probably take care of it.
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: svrn on April 05, 2013, 11:54:50 pm
Troll, if I had sex with another with syphilis or gonorrhea chances are I'd catch it. And since I don't have it now, what then is the connection between not having it and then getting it from another. Or are you saying that you can not catch it from another, OR, that it's to my benefit If I do catch it because it will speed some other healing or increase the release of toxins that I didn't even know I had?
i dont agree that youd catch it.
If you do catch it, it means that you have in your body that which the virus is meant to cleanse you of, in which case be thankful.
someone who has it that is not a raw paleo person may be constantly taking in those things which cause them the need for such a virus in which case it will never go away unless the person stops taking in the toxins which the virus constantly needs to clean up.
If a raw paleo person has thos toxins still in them and then catches it from someone, it may last for a bit but will go away once those toxins which the virus feeds on are longer in the body, in which case you should be happy you got a little help from the virus.
this is of course my opinion based on research as well as personal experience.
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: van on April 06, 2013, 03:53:43 am
i'm open to the idea, what's your personal experience with those two sexually transmitted viruses?
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: svrn on April 06, 2013, 04:49:50 am
i dont know about those two. But I had some sort of "std" for about a month. I killed it with colloidal silver and it hasnt been back in a few years. Im sure it was a detox but if i went to the doc he would have definitly diagnosed me with and std.
the colloidal silver destroyed it in a couple days. I felt it work immediately though.
if it ever happens again though ill probably just let it run its course. I was just freaking out back then,
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: jessica on April 06, 2013, 06:20:50 am
i dont know about those two. But I had some sort of "std" for about a month. I killed it with colloidal silver and it hasnt been back in a few years. Im sure it was a detox but if i went to the doc he would have definitly diagnosed me with and std.
the colloidal silver destroyed it in a couple days. I felt it work immediately though.
if it ever happens again though ill probably just let it run its course. I was just freaking out back then,
troll did you get tested to know exactly what strain of STD you had? I had a friend who thought he had herpes for 2 YEARS, turned out it was just a yeast infection he picked up from some chick.
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: MaximilianKohler on May 22, 2013, 03:22:18 am
You should probably tell beta males you sleep with prior to sleeping with someone again that you have it. Alpha's probably have it anyway.
... wow. I both laughed and facepalmed at this. You should definitely tell all of your sexual partners rather than try to guess and make assumptions on who might already have herpes. And make sure to not have sex when you have any visible herpes outbreaks or other possible symptoms.
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: svrn on May 22, 2013, 07:53:05 am
troll did you get tested to know exactly what strain of STD you had? I had a friend who thought he had herpes for 2 YEARS, turned out it was just a yeast infection he picked up from some chick.
i do nt go to doctores and dont care what they want to label whatever I got. I just looked at it and my intuitive abilities told me colloidal silver would get rid of it and I was right once again. Next time Im leaving it alone though since I know its nothing to worry about. It hasnt come back since the day I killed it with colloidal silver.\
also, wouldnt catching a yeast infection from someone else be considered getting an std?
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: van on May 22, 2013, 09:06:06 am
herpes stays with you for life, at least most believe it to be true. The real only danger for someone with herpes is for females if they have an outbreak of it when delivering a child, the child can then catch it and it poses some risk then. My guess is that the colloidal silver ( unless ingesting huge amounts ) only retarded the outbreak visible on the skin, for the base camp of herpes lies along the nerve pathways in the lower groin and spine area. Some outbreaks only last for a few days, some for weeks, hard to tell if the any remedy was just coincidental. One thing is certain though keeping ones blood sugar levels low makes it difficult for the virus to flourish.
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: svrn on May 22, 2013, 11:13:30 pm
It wasnt herpes. It only happened once and and never came back after the colloidal silver. I was not having any sex at the time. It was not coincidental, I felt it working soon as it touched my skin.
Either way, definitly wasnt herpes and definitly wasnt sexually transmitted since I didnt have sex in so long.
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: LePatron7 on May 22, 2013, 11:45:55 pm
Getting tested it the only way to really know. Most people who have herpes never get an outbreak, or they have such mild symptoms (like getting a pimple in the pubic region once) that they never think to get tested.
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: svrn on May 23, 2013, 12:23:39 am
If you never get an outbreak what does it matter?lol
its like I told you that you have this illness called pithelocia. you ask me what the symptoms are and I say none. You say then why does it matter? and i respond , BECAUSE YOU MIGHT HAVE PITHELOCIA!!!!! (even though theres no symptoms)
Plus the doctors know nothing about disease anyway, Anything they say has literally zero value to me.
Title: Re: Just tested positive for herpes
Post by: LePatron7 on May 23, 2013, 04:51:11 am
If you never get an outbreak what does it matter?lol
That's how most people see it. And realistically even if you did get an outbreak, why would that matter? Herpes isn't typically a problem for most people. Very rarely does it cause any serious issues.