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Title: Just one more thing to be completely healed
Post by: thehadezb on November 04, 2018, 11:39:23 pm
Hello guys,
I've been changing my diet a lot of times trying to find the way to overcome my food addiction and my SIBO.
After a very long journey I've come to a raw almost-carnivore diet. Mi history with SIBO comes from a severe case of constipation followed by a colon hydrotherapy
Regarding my food addiction, I'm consider myself cured. But, regarding my GI problems, I don't think so.
After switching to my carnivore diet I have no more diarrhea, stomach pain or nausea. What I have now is the following symptoms:

- Gas and/or water on the lower left side of my colon (sigmoid)
- Burping on my lower left side of my  colon (sigmoid)
- Vibration and gas burping on my rectum
- Intermittent bloating
- Not feeling the urge to go

I have bowel movements but I feel like they are incomplete. I feel bloating and discomfort every sitting.
When I stand up it's very hard to maintain my abdomen not distended and, if I deep breath, I make my belly growl.

I'm very dependan on Magnesium Citrate, lime and ACV every morning to feel the urge to go. This kind of symptoms makes me think of a kind of obstruction in my bowels but I'm not sure because a time a go when I ate a cooked carnivore diet I excreted more waste and it passed normal through my large intestines.

I really want to fix this. Because is the only problem I haven't healed so far. Hope you can help me.
Title: Re: Just one more thing to be completely healed
Post by: Gatsuri on November 05, 2018, 01:02:15 am
For constipation issues I would only stick to raw meat and raw eggs until you are better, those should be able to digest the best.
Title: Re: Just one more thing to be completely healed
Post by: norawnofun on November 05, 2018, 03:54:29 am
I would try probiotics if I were you. I recently started taking some I got for free, but I also ordered from another brand. I currently do a lot of research about them and I think they can be key for solving a lot of health issue. Especially after I noticed why I crave raw dairy so much I THINK. It doesn´t seem to be the dairy as such, but the additional bacteria it has coming from raw dairy, especially cultured. When I recently did raw goat quark, which I did by culturing raw goat milk in a big jug for 2 days until the whey separates, then putting it in a muslin cloth to strain overnight, I had a very powerful and emotional reaction after taking a few teaspoons. A clear sign that my body needs the bacteria or probiotics. So I am now turning to probiotics to maybe help with my similar digestion issues. Happy shitting is one of them :)

There are a couple of things I would consider before choosing a brand

1. According to Neurologist Dr. Perlmutter there are 5 major strains that should be in your probiotic. See below. Many brands do not have all of them, as lots of them are missing Lactobaccilus brevis for example. I would also take a brand that have a lot of other strains, the more the better I think.

Lactobacillus plantarum: Found in kimchi, sauerkraut, and other cultured vegetables, this bug is one of the most beneficial bacteria in your body. It survives in the stomach for a long time and performs many functions that help regulate immunity and control inflammation in the gut. It also helps fortify the gut lining, fending off potential invaders that might compromise the intestinal wall and sneak into the bloodstream. In fact, L. plantarum's beneficial impact on the gut lining is perhaps its most important attribute, for it reduces gut permeability, thereby reducing the associated risks for leaky gut-including an increased risk for virtually every brain disorder. Moreover, L. plantarum can quickly digest protein, and this has the ultimate effect of preventing food allergies and even treating such allergies when they arise. Its been shown in experimental animal studies to protect engineered mice from having clinical symptoms of multiple sclerosis and even reduce the inflammatory response typical of that condition. Finally, L. plantarum has an uncanny ability to absorb and maintain important nutrients such as brain-friendly omega- 3 fatty acids, vitamins, and antioxidants. All of these actions make L. plantarum essential for fighting infection and taking control of any pathogenic bacteria.

Lactobaccilus acidophilus: L. acidophilus is the darling of fermented dairy products, including yogurt. It keeps the balance of good vs. bad bacteria in check and in doing so, aids your immune system. In women, it helps to curb the growth of Candida albicans, a fungus that can cause yeast infections. L. acidophilus has also gained fame for its ability to help maintain cholesterol levels. In the small intestine, L. acidophilus produces many beneficial substances that combat pathogenic microbes, including acidolphilin, acidolin, bacteriocin, and lactocidin.

Lactobaccilus brevis: Sauerkraut and pickles owe a lot of their benefits to this bug, which improves immune function by increasing cellular immunity and even enhancing killer T cell activity. It's so effective in combating vaginosis, a common bacterial infection of the vagina, that it's added to pharmaceuticals used to treat it. L. brevis also acts to inhibit the effects of certain gut pathogens. Perhaps best of all, it has been shown to increase levels of that all-star brain growth hormone BDNF.

Bifidobacterium lactis (also called B. animalis): Fermented milk products like yogurt contain this gem, which is well documented to have a powerful effect on preventing digestive ills and boosting immunity. It's also known to be helpful in knocking out food-born pathogens like salmonella, which causes diarrhea.

Bifidobacterium longum: Just one of the 32 species that belong to the genus bifidobacterium, this is one of the first bugs that colonize our bodies at birth. It has been associated with improving lactose tolerance and preventing diarrhea, food allergies, and the proliferation of pathogens. It's also known to have antioxidant properties as well as the ability to scavenge free radicals. In laboratory mice, B. longum has been shown to reduce anxiety. Like L. acidophilus, B. longum also helps maintain healthy cholesterol levels.

2. I would take the ones that do not have any or many additives in them, like soy or magnesium stereate. The ones I have now have some crap in them, but I still take them just to see if they have any positive effect. The ones I ordered have a little bit of rice powder, but at least they have all 5 major strains

3. It seems to be important that when you buy some, that you put them in milk overnight (outside) to see if they ferment it, hence make some kind of joghurt. If not then they seem to be dead, hence useless. I for example tried the ones that I got for free and they didn´t ferment at all. So they seem pointless.

4. Another important factor seems to be the way how to take them. According to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5bG_0ubO0E they showed a study where they concluded:
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Bacterial survival was best when provided within 30 minutes before or simultaneously with a meal or beverage that contained some fat content
Another additional way could be the one User Van described to me in https://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/index.php?topic=13088.0 That seems to be much more lasting and efficient. He also mentioned human strain probiotics, but I didn´t dive too much into the subject which ones are present in humans too, i think the 5 mentioned above seem to be the most important either way.

What you can also do and what I think I might try myself is overdosing them as explained in https://www.selfhacked.com/blog/a6experience-megadosing-probiotics/ the reactions that this guy had sounded interesting. Especially that he said he can digest lectins (pork has them) better, since lectins can have negative effecs on the blood https://zerocarbzen.com/pork/ So it could be that probiotics help with blood circulation as well, just speculating.

Since I started taking the raw homemade quark and the probiotics for about 3 days, I feel much better and digestion including stools have improved a lot. And mind you my digestion was not where it should be at all. I also have the theory that once you fix your gut problems things like low HCI could be solved like that too. But I am just speculating here and still need to self experiment a lot. And I think high meat should also help here since this will give you additional bacteria needed to digest your stool, hence things will go easier. So I think even the best quality raw meat or raw organs or whatever will help nothing if you don´t have certain bacterial strains in your gut that can help digest your food. And constipation, bloating and what not will occur, until you repopulate your gut with a good quantity of certain bacterial strains.
Title: Re: Just one more thing to be completely healed
Post by: thehadezb on November 05, 2018, 04:52:44 am
I would try probiotics if I were you. I recently started taking some I got for free, but I also ordered from another brand. I currently do a lot of research about them and I think they can be key for solving a lot of health issue. Especially after I noticed why I crave raw dairy so much I THINK. It doesn´t seem to be the dairy as such, but the additional bacteria it has coming from raw dairy, especially cultured. When I recently did raw goat quark, which I did by culturing raw goat milk in a big jug for 2 days until the whey separates, then putting it in a muslin cloth to strain overnight, I had a very powerful and emotional reaction after taking a few teaspoons. A clear sign that my body needs the bacteria or probiotics. So I am now turning to probiotics to maybe help with my similar digestion issues. Happy shitting is one of them :)

Thanks for your response,
Well, I've had been taken probiotics some months ago but I left it because I felt that it make no change in my bowel health, maybe because I'm following a zero carb diet and bacteria has nothing to feed on inside me. I have an extra probiotic that I can test. Will it work without carbs in my diet?

Well, at this moment I have wasted a lot of money in supplements that were useless, so I'll take my time to choose a brand.
The thing about human strains is a possibility worth considering too. Looks similar to AV's suppository.
I'm a long time ago wanting to test some high meat but I share my refrigerator with family and this would be a problem.
This is the first brand of probiotic I used:
(https://s3.images-iherb.com/aor/aor08999/y/26.jpg)
This is the brand I have now
(https://s3.images-iherb.com/ren/ren15660/l/7.jpg)
Both had very interesting reviews so I bought them. First one gave me gas the first days then It goes. No emotional nor intestinal improvements.

What are your tips to improve digestion? I really have trouble digesting fats I think. Frequently I see white pieces of raw fat on my stools.
Title: Re: Just one more thing to be completely healed
Post by: van on November 05, 2018, 06:30:03 am
increasing fat digestion takes time, as to get the bile flowing again to handle the increased amounts of fats.  Chew better.  Shouldn't see the fat regardless of whether it digests or not.  Savor each bite and take your time eating.
Title: Re: Just one more thing to be completely healed
Post by: surfsteve on November 06, 2018, 12:00:49 am
From another thread: https://lifespa.com/digestive-enzymes-the-hidden-dangers/

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Step 1: Eat More Cholagogues

lifespa image, digestive enzymes, green apple and celery and glass of juiceEat more cholagogues or bile-movers such as raw beets, celery, apples, artichokes and leafy greens. Greens should make up 2/3 of your plate. The cellulose in greens will attach to the toxic bile and escort it to the toilet like a non-stop flight! Turmeric has been shown to increase gallbladder contraction by 50%!

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Step 3: Cinnamon

Have cinnamon with every meal. Cinnamon supports healthy blood sugar levels while supporting normal bile flow.

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Step 4: Olive Oil and Lemon Juice

Mix 1-2 tbsp of organic olive oil with 1-2 tsp of lemon juice. Shake and drink every morning OR night on an empty stomach for 1 month. This will exercise the liver and gallbladder while supporting healthy bile flow in the bile and pancreatic ducts.

Title: Re: Just one more thing to be completely healed
Post by: norawnofun on November 06, 2018, 03:30:09 am
I don´t know if it would work with zero carb. That´s something I can´t comment on as I don´t know. But maybe you took too little of the probiotics, especially if you have a big deficiency already, or they were dead, so you took them for nothing. The 2 you pictured I checked, the first one I would not take since it has way too many additives and only 3 strains, especially not the ones I want, and the 2nd one was one that I was considering but it didnt have all 5 mentioned strains, however it had at least not a lot of additives. Once I get mine I will first see if they are alive by putting them in raw milk to see if they create joghurt. Then I will take one, two and then I plan to overdose to see any reaction. I also want to do Van´s way including the high meat, to get the FULL blast of probiotics so they finally stay in my gut.

And are you sure this is fat? I saw the same thing in my stool, first I thought it´s parasites, then I thought it´s fat, but it turned out to be mucus. And for how long are you on zero carb? If you already do it for some time then I think that your body should be able to digest fats by now. But since you hinted a colon therapy there could lie the problem. Enemas and colon cleansings can flush out beneficial bacteria needed for digestion. I know this because the last time I did an enema, I could no longer digest meats properly. And drinking lots of homemade kefir didn´t bring it back to normal status. Because kefir is a maintenance tool, not something to permanently replace missing bacterial strains. So I am pretty certain that I flushed out a good amount of good bacteria which I now need to bring back with the 3 methods mentioned. Overdose, Van´s method and High Meat.

I also tried many things to improve digestion, different types of juices, ACV, lemon and and and. But I think this is all useless because it´s only a band aid that will temporarily help until you take it, but it won´t fix the underlying problem permanently. And I overdid it with these natural methods, to the point where I could no longer stand ACV and all this crap. You don´t want to take something for all your life, it´s like chasing your own tail. What you need is a permanent fix. The gut is the first brain, not the second to me. It controls everything. If your gut is in imbalance your brain will be too, and so will be all other body functions. Fixing your gut means fixing your health. That´s at least my point of view now, after wasting thousands of euros and trying all kinds of useless 'remedies' and diets throughout the years.
Title: Re: Just one more thing to be completely healed
Post by: thehadezb on November 06, 2018, 07:01:30 am
@surfsteve: 2/3 of my plate as greens, celery... That thing really scare me a lot. I've become intolerant to various vegetables after my colonic. I'm scared of fiber. At this time I'm doing ACV + lemon, that makes me go. That thing about turmeric is good?

I will take everything you have suggested with a grain of salt. But, as far as I understand. You are insinuating that I have bile attached in my gut that seems to be toxic. That is one of my hypothesis.

When I go to the bathroom, I evacuate really easily. My stools are soft and not well formed. But, after that, I feel this accumulation of gas and liquid in the lower left side of my abdomen that doesn't want to move. I don't know exactly what is this. I have thought in adding fiber to push this thing. But, maybe the reason my stool pass through my colon is that it is soft and that makes it possible to evade the obstruction and that makes it not-well-formed. What if I add fiber and that doesn't go through?

I've done an olive oil flush. No improvement. Thinking on going to the doctor in December.

@norawnofun: you make me doubt. I don't know if it's fat, mucus or collagen. That is something I will consider check the next time I see some. It looks like the stools where painted on the outside.

In the past, when I ate a cooked carnivore, my stools were always pale, hard at the beginning and they came with blood and white mucus. After raw no more mucus, blood, hard or pale stools. Just in case I change diet, symptoms occur. The last case of constipation and hard stools I had is when I wanted to save money and ate canned sardines.

I'm 4 months on carnivore and 2 months on raw carnivore. If I'm adapted? I don't know how to test for that.

@van: As norawnofun said, probably is not fat and I'm wrong. I've seen translucent liquid at the top of my stools, not so much, but some. I remember seeing undigested raw tallow on my stools for sure. You are making me doubt that Im not adapted, but I feel with good energy. I don't know.
Title: Re: Just one more thing to be completely healed
Post by: surfsteve on November 06, 2018, 07:53:32 am
Not just clearing out stuck bile in your colon but mainly to make you able to produce more bile to enable better digestion. If the article as I recall is to be believed the main reason you don't produce enough bile is because it's too thick and clogs up the glands that produce it. I been trying this approach to produce more digestive juices instead of taking digestive enzymes and I seem to be digesting every bit as well. Only greens I've added back so far are wheatgrass juice. Been taking an apple a day plus a can of beets since I read that article and it seems to be helping to the point I haven't felt the need for digestive enzymes. No expert as I'm just learning myself. I've always loved olive oil and lemons but haven't added any lemons in since I stopped going full carnivore and only a little olive oil but gradually more and more till today when I instead ate nuts to keep my fat levels high.
Title: Re: Just one more thing to be completely healed
Post by: thehadezb on November 06, 2018, 09:16:53 am
Update: I saw some of that white stuff. It is not fat nor mucus (in this case), it is connective tissue. The type of connective tissue that is chewable like gum and as you chew more it becomes whiter.

Altough, I saw some rendered fat and white foam next to them.
One thing I would want to add is that I tested clay some days ago, but I didn't hydrated for the recommended 5 days. It gave me diarrhea, gas and bad breath. It has been 3 days that I stopped taking it and I still erupting gas that smells like clay.
Title: Re: Just one more thing to be completely healed
Post by: thehadezb on November 26, 2018, 06:59:36 pm
The gas and sounds on my higher upper side of my belly are lessening. It seems that I'm unable to digest certain parts of the meat that are similar to collagen which I'm trying to remove when eating my meat.

This is the problem that I have lately:
My stools are becoming very sticky and thin which makes it hard to evacuate. I'm currently on zero-carb but I'm thinking in adding some fruit to see if this address this issue. What fruit do you recommend to makes things moving?
I have tried lemon water, acv, magnesium citrate and olive oil but they don't seem to fix the problem.
Hope someone could help.
Title: Re: Just one more thing to be completely healed
Post by: surfsteve on November 27, 2018, 01:00:24 am
Perhaps “if” it's fat or protein you should work on your digestion. If it's collagen it's not fat. It's protein. Have you considered digestive enzymes? Betaine HCL seems to work well for me. I also like the other form of betaine “TMG” which has no HCL for digestion and gives me bad breath in large quantities. I've taken papian and bromelain in the past and had good luck with them. Considering going back on them. I also tried preparations from companies of digestive enzymes but they always upset my stomach and were expensive.

Many think digestive enzymes are not the way to go and that you will become dependent upon them. I don't think the betaine HCL makes you dependent. Mostly because your body can not store HCL. When you take it, it breaks it down into what it uses to make it's own HCL through a sort of recycling process. It keeps the chemicals separate and mixes them together to form HCL on demand.

I been supplement free for the past couple months and just went back on all my acid supplements and TMG a couple days ago and it has helped immensely with muscle and tendon aches. It has also changed my digestion back to digesting like a pro. Am considering enzymes and will probably go back on them too and stop being afraid of “all” supplements.  Apparently I need some of them.

This advise is all based upon my own experience so do your own research and due diligence.
Title: Re: Just one more thing to be completely healed
Post by: van on November 27, 2018, 01:51:50 am
have a radish or two, or a big thick dark green leek leaf as a snack in between meals.  Fruit will most likely cause cravings if truly on zero carb.
Title: Re: Just one more thing to be completely healed
Post by: surfsteve on November 27, 2018, 02:53:29 am
When I was eating nuts (soaked, sprouted) I had the best bowel movements ever. Unfortunately they made the rest of my health and my mood much worse. I agree with Van that fruit would be a huge risk in addiction which is why I suggested considering supplements that might help with your digestion. If you don't want to consume greens; have you considered resistant starches like legumes? I'm considering adding some greens back in my diet. When I was in the best shape of my life back in April I think I was still adding cooked kale along with my supplements into my raw organ meat smoothies.

I'm not totally against fruit but right now it is not even in season. Sometimes I like to gorge myself on watermelon when it is. Before modern transportation fruits were available only for a short period of time. The availability of fruit year round, not to mention sodas and other sources of sugar, has led to a huge increase in diseases like diabetes. Perhaps some of the acids I mentioned in my previous post like malic acid would give you some of the good in the fruit without the bad sugar. Or maybe some unripe fruit like green apples might work and not provide the excess sugar. What do the rest of you think about that?
Title: Re: Just one more thing to be completely healed
Post by: thehadezb on November 27, 2018, 04:58:46 am
Radish and leeks? I switched to ZC because of vegetables. Are you sure is safe to eat that types of fiber on ZC? I come from a severe case of fiber obstruction and posterior IBS. I haven't tried any vegetable since then, I'm scared of getting obstructed again.
Sure, I can try betaine HCl but I'm skeptic about digestive enzymes. If there is a natural way to obtain all that stuff I will do. I really need a juicer. I will try HCl 500mg for 14 days and keep you posted.
Regarding fruit. I just go for the easiest to digest and high in soluble fiber and water. In the past after a bite of carbs I'll get like crazy and seek for more. But, at this time, I see fruit as medicine or a supplement. If I think to eat just one piece I'll eat just one, they don't attract me. Eating raw has bring my instinct back and I easily recognize when I'm hungry or not. I was thinking about 1 or 2 servings per week.
Title: Re: Just one more thing to be completely healed
Post by: surfsteve on November 27, 2018, 05:52:32 am
Never tried HCL capsules. I always buy powders. I pay around twenty dollars for a kilogram of betaine HCL. Probably about ten times cheaper than buying it in capsules. I buy malic acid in 5 pound bags for about the same price. Malic acid and most other powders taste ok in smoothies. Never tried HCL in one...
Title: Re: Just one more thing to be completely healed
Post by: thehadezb on November 27, 2018, 10:29:28 pm
Surfsteve,
How is it possible to drink HCl? Won't that burn your throat? How much HCl in mg do you take?

Holy fuck! Two days of fruit and I fucked up my teeth. Just 200g of papaya and 1 mango for each day. What's happening? I throat was sore all day long. I couldn't eat the next day.

(https://i.imgur.com/fH49hf8l.jpg)
First picture: lower teeth, enamel is gone, teeth are yellow are sensitive.
(https://i.imgur.com/yDXb8Yvl.jpg)
Second picture: I have my enamel intact but my teeth turned yellow.

This helped me go to the bathroom just a little bit. Stools are still sticky and have a lot of connective tissue. I'm adding 650mg HCl for 2 weeks.
Title: Re: Just one more thing to be completely healed
Post by: surfsteve on November 28, 2018, 02:50:56 am
After I dissolve the betaine HCL in water and swallow it just rinse my teeth with clean water.  No it doesn't burn my throat at all. I take up to a tablespoon in a glass of water. You might try less. I take an awfully big dose.
Title: Re: Just one more thing to be completely healed
Post by: surfsteve on November 28, 2018, 06:14:36 am
I just tried a tablespoon of both kinds of betaine, HCL and TMG mixed together and the TMG seemed to cancel out some of the acid from the HCL form. At least taste wise it did. I may be onto something! I asked a friend if I had any sign of bad breath that the TMG used to give me and they said no and they should know because they were the main one complaining when I was taking it. Maybe. Just maybe; the bad breath from TMG is neutralized from consuming lots of acids. I sure hope so! It always seemed like the more TMG I took the more energy and less aches and pains I had!

I don't like the idea of taking man made supplements to make me feel my best but it is what it is...
Title: Re: Just one more thing to be completely healed
Post by: thehadezb on December 22, 2018, 04:54:13 am
I did ad the HCl for 3 weeks; no improvement with the trapped water and gas.
Bowel movements are regular at the moment, but the pain and discomfort afterwards persists.

I think I have Candida. The reason is that my tongue is coated and I've seen that mething strange in my stools that seem to be Candida - at least as Google Images has told me.

Does anyone has experience or knowledge on how to kill Candida? I know some people say it's beneficial, but I can live this way, fatigue is unbearable.

Lately I've had a lot of sugar cravings that I've tried to satisfy with raw honey. I feel shit everytime I have succumbed. I will avoid all sugars after Christmas. Wish me luck!
Title: Re: Just one more thing to be completely healed
Post by: van on December 22, 2018, 11:00:25 am
honey is a trap, you will just want more.  look into prebiotics and cultured products if you aren't going zero carb.   Good fats are key for energy on low or zero carb.
Title: Re: Just one more thing to be completely healed
Post by: thehadezb on December 23, 2018, 02:33:49 am
I second the argument about honey. I thought that I would tolerate it, but It became addictive after a few days. No more honey nor fruit now.

At this moment I can't get suet nor backfat from grass-fed ruminants. The only fat source that I have is butter. What are your thoughts on butter? Mine is raw and grass-fed. I don't have problems with it, but I think it might be lacking several long-chain fatty acids such as stearic acid and others.

There are some hype on mainstream low carb about short and medium chain fatty acids such as MCT or butyrate because they are fast burning fats. In my opinion, humans have a tendency for more complex tissues. And the most complex tissues has always more long-chain fatty acids than SCFA. LCFA are more difficult to get rancid, give more calories and probably are a cleaner type of fuel that's why they can be burned with no hurry.
Title: Re: Just one more thing to be completely healed
Post by: van on December 23, 2018, 06:43:34 am
for some butter seems to work well.   Maybe you can get lamb fat trimmings.  They tend to keep much longer than beef fat.  I think it may be that it has higher sat. fat. not sure, but very good sliced very thin and eaten warm along with meat portion.
Title: Re: Just one more thing to be completely healed
Post by: thehadezb on December 23, 2018, 10:19:30 pm
The problem is that I have no way to know if lamb is grain-finished or grass-finished. Beef is easier to distinguish because the fat has a discernible color and taste when grass-finished.
Do you have any recommendation when looking for lamb fat or lamb in general?
Title: Re: Just one more thing to be completely healed
Post by: van on December 23, 2018, 11:54:38 pm
You can ask the butcher to track it down, or ask for the rancher and ask him.  But,, most lamb isn't grain finished.   And quite often grass finished beef has white fat, I know, I go through a  lot of it, though no where near as tasty as yellow fat.  I think it's genetics and age of the cow.
Title: Re: Just one more thing to be completely healed
Post by: surfsteve on December 25, 2018, 01:05:00 am
I noticed some grain finished beef also has yellow fat and that it tends to taste better too. Also generally the more yellow cuts seem to be smaller. Maybe they are from cows that arrived at the feed lot later just before the slaughter truck pulled up?  I have some triple coupons for grass fed ground lamb but I can only buy one pound per visit.
Title: Re: Just one more thing to be completely healed
Post by: thehadezb on January 27, 2019, 06:53:43 am
Drinking fermented sprouted corn juice (chicha de jora) is alleviating my symptoms. It makes me fart but I'm not longer feeling bloated.

I also introduced raw clabbered milk and It seems that its giving me constipation. Any Aajonous Vonderplanitz follower that has a solution for this?

I will drink chicha de jora during the day and see what happens. Chicha de jora is a beer-like beverage native to my country and It was regularly consumed by the incas instead of water. There is no scientific research about this beverage which is a shame. My theory is that this beverage is highly acidic which interfere with whatever organism I have inside my GI tract that is causing me this problem. Also, is very hydrating.

Title: Re: Just one more thing to be completely healed
Post by: surfsteve on January 28, 2019, 12:10:41 am
No fermented juices here but I was drinking apple cider vinegar and baking soda and instead of feeling better my allergies got really bad. I could also tell that the gas made my belly look extended. It's been two days and I'm still farting. Don't think it was a good idea. At the time I thought maybe my back aches were being caused by kidneys as they always seem a lot worse in the mornings and fade away to nothing once I get up, pee and start moving. I'm certain I burned them twenty years ago by taking too much cayenne pepper. I was taking crazy amounts thinking it was good for me and I also liked the taste. Bad mistake. That's my one more thing to be completely healed! I think I'm going to have to baby them for the rest of my life. Been thinking that all the meat I been eating puts a lot of strain on them too.

Anyway. I watched a lot of videos saying baking soda was supposed to heal kidneys. Thus the ACV and baking soda...

I'm open to suggestions and would appreciate any tips on healing them up! I think eating lots of kale was helping as good or better than vinegar and baking soda. I don't want to go around with a belly full of gas. Would my body eventually get used to it and dissipate it? Or would it just keep expanding and give me a beer belly? I think that combined with the allergies is a sign that I shouldn't be taking it. I wish I'd listened to by body better when I was taking all that cayenne. I was going through a restaurant sized jar every month or two and using a tablespoon full on a rahmen noodle. Yeah. I ate them back then too! It took quite a bit of experimentation to confirm that they were causing me back aches.
Title: Re: Just one more thing to be completely healed
Post by: norawnofun on January 28, 2019, 05:48:01 am
@thehazeb do you drink clabbered milk with food or on it´s own? I have found that on it´s own it can cause issues. with food was best for me. And for how long did u ferment it and how, do you close the lid or leave it open? Another thing that I noticed when doing clabbered milk is that when I left it out on a window sill, where it got lots of natural direct sunlight, the taste was much better than fermenting inside. I think it might also depend if you drink it warm or cold.
Title: Re: Just one more thing to be completely healed
Post by: thehadezb on January 28, 2019, 08:35:05 am
@norawnofun: some sips after my meal and then during the day for hydration. I ferment it for 3 days and covered with a cloth. I don't ferment it on direct sunlight. I keep it on the refrigerator and let it get to room temperature when I wake up. I drink it on room temperature during the day.

Probably I will do what Pagan_guy told me on another post. I will add 1 egg and 1 teaspoon of honey and blend it to create an eggnog or somewhat. I will drink this after my meal and I will use my peruvian beer as a source of hydration instead.
Title: Re: Just one more thing to be completely healed
Post by: norawnofun on January 29, 2019, 06:30:57 am
I had issues drinking it on an empty stomach, i either drank it with a meal or not too long time after. I fermented it until the whey separated. But the more I read about your and surfsteve issue the more I think about myself trying to experiment like you, non stop to find final solutions. Looking back now I can say I wasted my time and money. All these extra things, different methods, different theories, supplements never truly fixed it. It made things better but there was always something left. At one point I thought that these helpers won´t fix the problem permanently. And I was right, let your body improve it´s digestion by itself don´t interfere with all these additional helpers.

So if I were to do everything again I would go carnivore straight away. You can start with ground meat if your hci is low, have pork (always cure to minimize lectins), beef, chicken, lamb, turkey, maybe salmon, sardines and makerele. Try organic, at least have the fish wild. Have much more fat than protein (like 80:20 or 70:20), digesting protein is way harder than fats I think, especially on low HCI. Have eggs and raw high fat dairy, try to keep it low carb, maybe keto which would be around 20g carbs per day or ZC. And most importantly do not touch any herbs, vegetables, juices, teas.  Not even seasonings like pepper. Just meat, fat (like marrow), eggs and dairy (if you can). I also found that drinking with meals helped a lot, regardless of what anybody claims. 6 month of eating cooked carnivore (yes cooked helped regardless), i have my HCI back, my sleep is better, focus better, digestion better, after many many years of struggling. And I had my cheat meals mind you. Just try it for a week or 2 and I am pretty sure you will feel the difference.
Title: Re: Just one more thing to be completely healed
Post by: thehadezb on January 29, 2019, 09:10:32 pm
I will take that advice. Actually, I was planning on doing that already.

I will do what you are saying but I'll add the beer sparingly. I'm talking seriously when I say that that beer is cutting my symptoms almost for the entire day. Not definitely but at least I feel better.
Title: Re: Just one more thing to be completely healed
Post by: norawnofun on January 30, 2019, 03:52:05 am
Red wine, green tea, honey was helping me as well. But I mainly I used them in emergency cases. Especially when I was not able to digest the food and did not have enough liquid with it. The food will get stuck, you won´t produce that much HCI, you feel hunger because the food is not in the right place to be absorbed by the vili, you get agitated, brainfog and you cant shit. I think our intestines are like toilet pipes. If you add liquid or oil everything goes through smoothly, if you add too much dry matter the pipe gets clogged. To unclog you pour in an acidic medium. That´s why red wine, honey, ACV, lemon...helps. Even AV suggested in his book WWTL a combo of honey, ACV and lemon. Or you add weight like fibre, but you then run the risk of clogging it up more, making matters worse. Adding fat won´t do much usually on a clogged system, thats why its vital to add enough fat to make things go through smoothly. That was the biggest mistake I did, too much protein and too less fat. And the more I had cut the "helpers", the better things went. So you might no longer need ur beer at some point, because your body will adapt, but you need to let it adapt naturally by stopping all this extra crap :)

Another thing I notice that once your digestion enhances and peristalis improves, you are much more aware of how you eat. I used to gorge food down because I was constantly hungry as the food was stuck in the intestines and didn´t absorb the nutrients. That makes you chew less, makes your HCI low, your pancreas inefficient, as I use to get a kind of pain when eating too fast and not digesting it. And even if you eat plenty of fats it will still cause constipation. The negative side effect was that my body temperature dropped, i heard my bones cracking and i didn´t gain weight.

Now I sit down, chew very slowly a couple of pieces and wait until I burp internally, that´s a sign that your HCI is working. Then I take another couple of bites, chew properly and wait until you burp (never externaly). When you don´t do that the problem is that you eat big amounts, that are accumulating in the stomach and your stomach acid can´t handle it and sends it not properly digested further downwards. I think that puts more strain on the intestines and it can cause bloating. It can also happen that you get acid reflux as it goes up through the esophagus.  In fact there is one way to test if you have adequate HCI. When you wake up you take sodium bicarbonate with water and wait till u burp. If it takes longer than a specified time frame you apparently have low HCI. You can look up the proceedure on the internet or do the Heidelberg Test. I used to do the SB and it took either way too long to burp, or I never did. To me the burping after eating a couple of bites is the same thing. To conclude. Do NOT eat more food until you burb internally, like this you are much more aware what´s going on inside your body and you will automatically not eat over your limits. And I would suggest that with every piece of protein you eat 2 pieces or more of fat. Otherwise you end up eating too much protein, then try to compensate with fat but during that catch up you are already too full and you can´t eat enough fat, which will cause issues. I know these things might sound stupid and mundane, but sometimes the obvious is not so obvious at first sight.

And allthough I suggested ground meat as a starter like I did, you might want to try cut pieces before that (I only read about the below after my experiments):

Quote
This test was during spring of 2017. It was tested with raw fat ground beef that I used to eat before I did the test, and with raw fat beef that was cut into half-inch pieces (I started to eat this beef after the test). I made 2 piles of meat – one was from ground meat, the other was from cut meat. On the top of the piles I made cavities and poured some water into them. In the cut meat pile all water soaked in immediately. In the ground meat pile, the soaking in took up to 40 sec. Raw fat ground meat behaves as a piece of dense wet clay. In the stomach fat ground meat can delay digestion because meat and fat particles stick together into a big piece and interrupt fast soaking of the stomach acid. Probably you may also use a mixture of raw lean ground meat (which is more cheap) and raw fat cut into small pieces.

After this test I use only cut meat. Usually I cut meat and its fat into half inch pieces and eat the fat first (the feeling of satisfaction comes faster). If some pieces are difficult to chew, just swallow them. They digest very good and meat and fat doesn’t need to be chewed for a long time. THE NOTICEABLE CHANGES WERE: feeling of heaviness in the stomach after eating becomes much lighter, meat digests faster and the bowel movements are more regular, the desire to sleep after eating is less. CONCLUSION: it’s better to not eat ground meat.

It’s interesting that the same conclusion was had by Dr. H. L. Newbold and his patients (https://zerocarbzen.com/2015/05/04/dr-h-l-newbold-on-ground-meat/). He had an opposite explanation about the harmful influence of the ground meat (that it digests faster). …It’s possible to check precisely which explanation is more correct but is it worth it to do if the conclusion is same? More information about meat influence is in Article 2 https://rawdiets.wordpress.com/my-experience-on-raw-meat-and-fish-diet/


One reason why clabbered might not do u well could be the breed of cow. Whenever I made clabbered I used A2 milk. Goat or indigenous cow breeds, where the A2 trait chances are much higher (in cow). Once I drank raw A1 GMO fed cow milk and my body refused totally. But I had no issues with raw Jersey GMO fed cow milk (which I drank for several months). So organic doesn´t seem to be the main factor, it might be the BCM7-protein that causes the issues during fermentation.
Title: Re: Just one more thing to be completely healed
Post by: political atheist on November 08, 2019, 09:52:35 pm
I had issues drinking it on an empty stomach, i either drank it with a meal or not too long time after. I fermented it until the whey separated. But the more I read about your and surfsteve issue the more I think about myself trying to experiment like you, non stop to find final solutions. Looking back now I can say I wasted my time and money. All these extra things, different methods, different theories, supplements never truly fixed it. It made things better but there was always something left. At one point I thought that these helpers won´t fix the problem permanently. And I was right, let your body improve it´s digestion by itself don´t interfere with all these additional helpers.

So if I were to do everything again I would go carnivore straight away. You can start with ground meat if your hci is low, have pork (always cure to minimize lectins), beef, chicken, lamb, turkey, maybe salmon, sardines and makerele. Try organic, at least have the fish wild. Have much more fat than protein (like 80:20 or 70:20), digesting protein is way harder than fats I think, especially on low HCI. Have eggs and raw high fat dairy, try to keep it low carb, maybe keto which would be around 20g carbs per day or ZC. And most importantly do not touch any herbs, vegetables, juices, teas.  Not even seasonings like pepper. Just meat, fat (like marrow), eggs and dairy (if you can). I also found that drinking with meals helped a lot, regardless of what anybody claims. 6 month of eating cooked carnivore (yes cooked helped regardless), i have my HCI back, my sleep is better, focus better, digestion better, after many many years of struggling. And I had my cheat meals mind you. Just try it for a week or 2 and I am pretty sure you will feel the difference.

i wonder if drinking water with RAW meat would help digestion...

did you drink water only with cooked meat/eggs? cooking meat/eggs removes the water content, so drinking water with cooked meat/eggs makes sense that it made digestion  better..

how much water were you drinking per meal? and what type of water? spring, sparkling mineral, filtered?
Title: Re: Just one more thing to be completely healed
Post by: norawnofun on November 09, 2019, 07:42:52 pm
If you have low stomach acid then not drinking any water with a meal is the way to go IMO. I frequently read that people on a RAF diet do not touch water with their meals. Which is the way to go. I would generally refrain from "mineral" waters, regardless if I were to eat cooked or raw animal products, because their PH is high, in the range of 7-8 usually. Also because the minerals there are inorganic and harmful, distilled is healthier according to my experimentation and research. Animal products have a lower acidity content, with the exception of egg whites and goat dairy. So if you have low stomach acid production I recommend cutting these out. Egg yolk would be ok because their PH is lower, as well as cow and sheep dairy.

Some time ago I focused on foods that have a low PH, animal products and veggies including berries. Best diet I ever had for digestion. And the meats were cooked, also some of the veggies. But I did not touch any water, meaning mineral water, low ph mineral water, filtered water and even distilled water (which turns acidic when it comes into contact with CO2). The only exception I sometimes do is to drink man made carbonated water around 30 min after food, if I feel my stomach acid is too weak to digest the foods I have. Carbonated water helps increase stomach acid production pretty well. Even naturally sparkling water does, however, the carbonation content is not that high and decreases fast the more you open and close the bottle, since gas evaporates. I also did experiments with home made carbonated distilled water (putting distilled water into a sodastream), but I found it to be too aggressive and uncomfortable to my body.

I know that cooking meat removes the water content, which is why people need to drink more water, especially if they consume plenty of salt with it. But as a general suggestion I would recommend not drinking water at all before a meal, since high ph mineral water will dilute your stomach acid that you need for the upcoming food digestion, not drink it during the meal, and also wait around 30 min or so after food. That counts for all types of water.

So if you want a permanent good digestion without any issues I would say.

a) eat only acidic foods, don´t mix with alkaline in the same meal
b) do not drink before, with or right after foods, regardless of the type of water
c) eat either enough fats or enough fiber (depending on your genetical make up) with it
d) make sure that you have adequate stomach acid in general. If you don´t have find the reason for that first, before going into endless experiments. Pre-set low HCI (before you even start consuming your meal) can be caused by stress, antacid drugs and h.pylori overgrowth (which apparently half of the population have). Oral dental health is important as well.

If you have low HCI then you will have all types of health issues. thyroid issues, IBS, Crohns, parasites, candida/fungal overgrowth, weight loss, hair loss, mineral and vitamin deficiencies, which leads to every possible health problem including cancer. I think low HCI, including bad dental health, is the root cause of almost every disease on this planet. On low HCI you get a weak immune system and invite the uninvited (bad bacteria, parasites and everything else). If you can´t digest the healthiest foods in the world due to low HCI, you will never get out of your health misury.
Title: Re: Just one more thing to be completely healed
Post by: political atheist on November 09, 2019, 08:17:20 pm
If you have low stomach acid then not drinking any water with a meal is the way to go IMO. I frequently read that people on a RAF diet do not touch water with their meals. Which is the way to go. I would generally refrain from "mineral" waters, regardless if I were to eat cooked or raw animal products, because their PH is high, in the range of 7-8 usually. Also because the minerals there are inorganic and harmful, distilled is healthier according to my experimentation and research. Animal products have a lower acidity content, with the exception of egg whites and goat dairy. So if you have low stomach acid production I recommend cutting these out. Egg yolk would be ok because their PH is lower, as well as cow and sheep dairy.

Some time ago I focused on foods that have a low PH, animal products and veggies including berries. Best diet I ever had for digestion. And the meats were cooked, also some of the veggies. But I did not touch any water, meaning mineral water, low ph mineral water, filtered water and even distilled water (which turns acidic when it comes into contact with CO2). The only exception I sometimes do is to drink man made carbonated water around 30 min after food, if I feel my stomach acid is too weak to digest the foods I have. Carbonated water helps increase stomach acid production pretty well. Even naturally sparkling water does, however, the carbonation content is not that high and decreases fast the more you open and close the bottle, since gas evaporates. I also did experiments with home made carbonated distilled water (putting distilled water into a sodastream), but I found it to be too aggressive and uncomfortable to my body.

I know that cooking meat removes the water content, which is why people need to drink more water, especially if they consume plenty of salt with it. But as a general suggestion I would recommend not drinking water at all before a meal, since high ph mineral water will dilute your stomach acid that you need for the upcoming food digestion, not drink it during the meal, and also wait around 30 min or so after food. That counts for all types of water.

So if you want a permanent good digestion without any issues I would say.

a) eat only acidic foods, don´t mix with alkaline in the same meal
b) do not drink before, with or right after foods, regardless of the type of water
c) eat either enough fats or enough fiber (depending on your genetical make up) with it
d) make sure that you have adequate stomach acid in general. If you don´t have find the reason for that first, before going into endless experiments. Pre-set low HCI (before you even start consuming your meal) can be caused by stress, antacid drugs and h.pylori overgrowth (which apparently half of the population have). Oral dental health is important as well.

If you have low HCI then you will have all types of health issues. thyroid issues, IBS, Crohns, parasites, candida/fungal overgrowth, weight loss, hair loss, mineral and vitamin deficiencies, which leads to every possible health problem including cancer. I think low HCI, including bad dental health, is the root cause of almost every disease on this planet. On low HCI you get a weak immune system and invite the uninvited (bad bacteria, parasites and everything else). If you can´t digest the healthiest foods in the world due to low HCI, you will never get out of your health misury.

but low dental health is calcium deficiency IMHO
Title: Re: Just one more thing to be completely healed
Post by: norawnofun on November 10, 2019, 03:51:03 am
low dental health can have many causes, mineral deficiencies, amalgam, root canals, fillings, death teeth, braces, bacteria (sugar or fat/protein feeding), i think even misalignments. One thing that seems to be great for teeth is silica. Calcium I would be careful with. I don´t think we need as much.
Title: Re: Just one more thing to be completely healed
Post by: thehadezb on November 16, 2019, 08:50:29 am
I'm hydrating myself before eating. I salt my food and don't drink any water 2 hours after eating.

My problems haven't gone. I have some sort of fungal infection. It's not SIBO because I have problems with everything, not just carbs. My main problem is getting is the autoinmune issues (fatigue, inflammation, sore joints, heavy legs) I'm no longer eating raw meat. I eat meat seared on the outside and I use salt. I also eat fruit because I live in a tropical country. I don't have problems digesting fruits besides that they don't energize me, only makes me dizzy.

During my 48 hour dry fast, trying to combat this issue, my breath was metallic, got sinus congestion, anxiety and depression increased. After several weeks, I had a fever with a urinary infection out of nowhere. I was in severe pain for 2 days, mentally and physically. Lots of mucus and fungus got out my system by my bowels, but after that I don't feel really better, just a bit less fatigued. I can't fast anymore. Im too skinny and I don't feel hunger to be honest. I can't overeat because I get bloated so fast.
Title: Re: Just one more thing to be completely healed
Post by: thehadezb on January 12, 2020, 02:23:15 am
My final guess is fungal overgrowth.

I'm currently eating rare pasture-raised beef, raw beef fat, sweet potatoes, papaya, onions, salt and natural sparkling water.

My supplements to kill the fungal overgrowth are: 1200mg NAC, Monolaurin 3g, 1250mg Magnesium malate, 2-3g Vitamin C and 500mg L-Taurine.

I'm upping my monolaurin dose up to 3g, currently on 1.3g. When I'm at the highest dosage, I will add 500mg Lactoferrin.

GI and mental symptoms are improving. Side-efffects of taking this supplements are sleepiness during the day, a kind of heartburn, fatigue and joint pain. It seems that the NAC-monolaurin combo is exacerbating this symptoms.

Will keep you updated.
Title: Re: Just one more thing to be completely healed
Post by: norawnofun on January 15, 2020, 05:26:12 am
Let me chime in here as well, because I think I am getting closer to heal my health issues and I wanna share my experience after reading tons of stuff from people and papers every day.

Let´s start with the most important thing, at least in my opinion. I am sure I might repeat myself but whatever.

Stomach acid. If you don´t have enough of that you will have leaky gut, SIBO, candida, fungal overgrowth, IBS, food sensitivities, mineral and vitamin deficencies (hair loss, hair greying, weightloss), fatigue, low energy, low libido, indigestion, bloating, constipation and and and. So I think that needs to be tackled first and it might solve all your health problems. Sources of low HCI can be a previous low animal product diet, such as vegan or vegetarian, simply because grains and plants don´t need much HCI and can also diminish HCI (grains especially). Low HCI means parasites, candida, fungus, h.pylori can thrive and they will lower your PH that is needed to digest your foods even further.

After some digging I found what i´ll describe now... How to get the mineral acid back for proper gastric secretion. You can either supplement BETAINE or you can try GLYCINE, an aminon acid and proton donor. So if Betaine HCI + Pepsin didn´t work go for Glycine. I tried several of different brands and different dosages of Betaine HCI and Pepsin but it did either nothing, or constipated. It can also damage your stomach lining and can cause more harm than good. Therefore I will try for the glycine:

Hydrochloric acid - That is a H+ (proton) and a CL- (chloride anion). Proton is the acid and chloride is the salt. You need to combine these 2 otherwise the HCL pairing won´t work and u dont have ur HCL.  Therefore, if Betaine Pepsin did not work go for the LIQUID HCL drops. Dr. Clark sells them. You can find other brands. You put a couple of drops in a liquid such as water and drink that with a straw, don´t put that on your teeth as it will mess them up. You can put it directly onto food, but then it will touch the teeth, not good. I did not try the liquid HCI version yet, but it seems to be working very well for people that cannot tolerate the tablets or pepsin. I will get it soon and report back.

Another option is Sulfuric acid - can be found in some cruciferous vegetables, onions or garlic. I found that I have far better digestion when I eat raw onions, especially red. I think they have the highest sulphur content of the 3 (white, yellow, red). So bingo here. Again to be combined with chloride (salt). Red wine is someting that is the best for my digestion, I mentioned that many times. When nothing works this always works wonders. I think one of the reason is because of the sulphites added, same goes for thick balsamic vinegar, seems to increase HCI.

Then there is Phosphoric acid - Found in meats, dairy and eggs in very low concentrations, but also beans and other veggies. As a food additive it´s mainly in Cola, called additive E338. As far as I can remember, my digestion was very good when I drank coke with meals, that was before I had health issues. So when I had bad digestion today and I felt bloated I thought fuck it, so I bought diet coke, and it digested my food pretty well. Reason for that was certainly the phosphoric acid, the caffeine (which helps against parasites as well), and the carbonation. Won´t do it again though, coke is full of crap and the worst u can drink. Interesting to note though is that coke is more acidic than lemon. You can get the food grade phosphoric acid in liquid drops as well. So there is another option to digest foods again.

You need to keep in mind that you need the chloride ion to pair it with the above acids, otherwise it won´t pair and create your HCL properly. One option for that is salt or food. If Betaine and Glycine doesn´t work, increase the chloride. Glycine is just the amino acid but it can help build half of the mineral acid that one needs.

Also, vinegar (like ACV) does not contribute to stomach acid reserves because the acetic acid is broken down into hydrocarbons that don't supply the free protons. 

Anyhow, after experimenting for years I am back to increasing HCl, not the other way around. If you try and kill parasites, tackle candida overgrowth, h.pylori, you could also try and increase HCI. I think once it´s back to normal things will balance out, or you at least do both, tackle the critters and supply HCI at the same time. After many years I can say that I feel best on the following "protocol".

1. Waking up on a glass of distilled water, or I just leave it out and drink later
2. I take "spice" and peel" from theinterstellarplan.com. This guy does some crazy herbal blends, for different illnesses. And that combo is best for candida and h.pylori. Out of everything I have ever tried I think this is the real deal. However, I would recommend going for the stronger ratio (200:1). Atm i got 20:1 and i think its not effective enough, so the only thing I can do atm is maintenance, but I think increasing the dosage would be the best to maybe totally kill all the bad stuff inside my stomach and elsewhere.
3. i take a spoonful of coconut oil, coconut oil is pretty effective for molds and candida
4. I trink black tea with lemon. never did that before, but I find that it sorted out all my constipation issues and I am certain that the caffeine in the black tea kills parasites. I know that cuz when I started doing this I could vomit up parasites, easily without effort. It just came naturally.
5.Then I eat something. I also eat after almost each meal thawned cranberries with a piece of 100% dark chocolate (8g carbs per 100g only, organic and consistent of cocoa mass and cocoa butter, very low in oxalates opposed to normal chocolate) and roasted pumpkin seed oil (lower in phytates and higher nutrient count than cold pressed https://www.researchgate.net/publication/46032980_Nutritional_Evaluation_and_Physiochemical_Properties_of_Processed_Pumpkin_Telfairia_occidentalis_Hook_Seed_Flour and https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6526651/). I find that the magnesium really calms me down and aids digestion a lot. Point is that when you have low HCI and you try and eat things like liver or sea food for mag and copper, you won´t be able to extract lots of it cuz your hci is not able to break it down properly. Pumpkin seed oil and dark chocolate on the other hand side are easily digestible I found. Cranberries are anti-parasitic as well, plus the most acidic berry and lowest in sugar (unless you get the shitty american GMO ones). Low acidity aids digestion as I have found too.
6. after food I chew and subsequently swallow that famous mastic gum from the greek island, one of the most effective remedies for h.pylori and "bad bacteria" that exists. i take that twice a day.

As you can see I am very deterimined to solve my health once and for all, with all that candida, h.pylori, parasites shit that comes with it. However, I think that atm all I can do is maintenance, because I am certain that I live in a moldy home and regardless what I do, I find that when I am in the fresh air everything, including digestion changes. So the only way for me to get out of this forever is to get out of that fucking place I am living at :) Anyhow, once I get my liquid HCI I will update here.

Edit: One more thing I wanted to mention. That´s iron toxicity. Well mentioned in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nofRzKj0UgA and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urk-i6RmSEI Morley mentions the connection between candida and heavy metals such as iron. Candida holds on to it. the more iron u got in your body the bigger oxidative stress and health issues you can get. I´m certain that dietary iron is not so much of an issue. After all I eat meat, especially red, every day. I think it more the toxic iron from cooking pans, showers, fortified foods (that I used to eat) that causes over accumulation. So I actually did something I never did, I went for a blood donation to start getting rid of the overload. Just to be sure I can rule that iron toxicity out which might be effecting my candida/parasites and other critters. I did pretty well, no fainting and was active the whole day. Being weak after donating can be a sign of low adrenals, so I def did not have that. Anyhow, I think its good to incorporate blood donation to download toxic blood and make way for ur body to create new one. Morley mentioned also something that makes sense. Back in the days we used to bleed much more, because of field work, hunting and what not, so blood loss and recycling of blood was something natural and normal, nowadays it´s not.
Title: Re: Just one more thing to be completely healed
Post by: political atheist on January 16, 2020, 11:54:39 pm
Let me chime in here as well, because I think I am getting closer to heal my health issues and I wanna share my experience after reading tons of stuff from people and papers every day.

Let´s start with the most important thing, at least in my opinion. I am sure I might repeat myself but whatever.

Stomach acid. If you don´t have enough of that you will have leaky gut, SIBO, candida, fungal overgrowth, IBS, food sensitivities, mineral and vitamin deficencies (hair loss, hair greying, weightloss), fatigue, low energy, low libido, indigestion, bloating, constipation and and and. So I think that needs to be tackled first and it might solve all your health problems. Sources of low HCI can be a previous low animal product diet, such as vegan or vegetarian, simply because grains and plants don´t need much HCI and can also diminish HCI (grains especially). Low HCI means parasites, candida, fungus, h.pylori can thrive and they will lower your PH that is needed to digest your foods even further.

After some digging I found what i´ll describe now... How to get the mineral acid back for proper gastric secretion. You can either supplement BETAINE or you can try GLYCINE, an aminon acid and proton donor. So if Betaine HCI + Pepsin didn´t work go for Glycine. I tried several of different brands and different dosages of Betaine HCI and Pepsin but it did either nothing, or constipated. It can also damage your stomach lining and can cause more harm than good. Therefore I will try for the glycine:

Hydrochloric acid - That is a H+ (proton) and a CL- (chloride anion). Proton is the acid and chloride is the salt. You need to combine these 2 otherwise the HCL pairing won´t work and u dont have ur HCL.  Therefore, if Betaine Pepsin did not work go for the LIQUID HCL drops. Dr. Clark sells them. You can find other brands. You put a couple of drops in a liquid such as water and drink that with a straw, don´t put that on your teeth as it will mess them up. You can put it directly onto food, but then it will touch the teeth, not good. I did not try the liquid HCI version yet, but it seems to be working very well for people that cannot tolerate the tablets or pepsin. I will get it soon and report back.

Another option is Sulfuric acid - can be found in some cruciferous vegetables, onions or garlic. I found that I have far better digestion when I eat raw onions, especially red. I think they have the highest sulphur content of the 3 (white, yellow, red). So bingo here. Again to be combined with chloride (salt). Red wine is someting that is the best for my digestion, I mentioned that many times. When nothing works this always works wonders. I think one of the reason is because of the sulphites added, same goes for thick balsamic vinegar, seems to increase HCI.

Then there is Phosphoric acid - Found in meats, dairy and eggs in very low concentrations, but also beans and other veggies. As a food additive it´s mainly in Cola, called additive E338. As far as I can remember, my digestion was very good when I drank coke with meals, that was before I had health issues. So when I had bad digestion today and I felt bloated I thought fuck it, so I bought diet coke, and it digested my food pretty well. Reason for that was certainly the phosphoric acid, the caffeine (which helps against parasites as well), and the carbonation. Won´t do it again though, coke is full of crap and the worst u can drink. Interesting to note though is that coke is more acidic than lemon. You can get the food grade phosphoric acid in liquid drops as well. So there is another option to digest foods again.

You need to keep in mind that you need the chloride ion to pair it with the above acids, otherwise it won´t pair and create your HCL properly. One option for that is salt or food. If Betaine and Glycine doesn´t work, increase the chloride. Glycine is just the amino acid but it can help build half of the mineral acid that one needs.

Also, vinegar (like ACV) does not contribute to stomach acid reserves because the acetic acid is broken down into hydrocarbons that don't supply the free protons. 

Anyhow, after experimenting for years I am back to increasing HCl, not the other way around. If you try and kill parasites, tackle candida overgrowth, h.pylori, you could also try and increase HCI. I think once it´s back to normal things will balance out, or you at least do both, tackle the critters and supply HCI at the same time. After many years I can say that I feel best on the following "protocol".

1. Waking up on a glass of distilled water, or I just leave it out and drink later
2. I take "spice" and peel" from theinterstellarplan.com. This guy does some crazy herbal blends, for different illnesses. And that combo is best for candida and h.pylori. Out of everything I have ever tried I think this is the real deal. However, I would recommend going for the stronger ratio (200:1). Atm i got 20:1 and i think its not effective enough, so the only thing I can do atm is maintenance, but I think increasing the dosage would be the best to maybe totally kill all the bad stuff inside my stomach and elsewhere.
3. i take a spoonful of coconut oil, coconut oil is pretty effective for molds and candida
4. I trink black tea with lemon. never did that before, but I find that it sorted out all my constipation issues and I am certain that the caffeine in the black tea kills parasites. I know that cuz when I started doing this I could vomit up parasites, easily without effort. It just came naturally.
5.Then I eat something. I also eat after almost each meal thawned cranberries with a piece of 100% dark chocolate (8g carbs per 100g only, organic and consistent of cocoa mass and cocoa butter, very low in oxalates opposed to normal chocolate) and roasted pumpkin seed oil (lower in phytates and higher nutrient count than cold pressed https://www.researchgate.net/publication/46032980_Nutritional_Evaluation_and_Physiochemical_Properties_of_Processed_Pumpkin_Telfairia_occidentalis_Hook_Seed_Flour and https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6526651/). I find that the magnesium really calms me down and aids digestion a lot. Point is that when you have low HCI and you try and eat things like liver or sea food for mag and copper, you won´t be able to extract lots of it cuz your hci is not able to break it down properly. Pumpkin seed oil and dark chocolate on the other hand side are easily digestible I found. Cranberries are anti-parasitic as well, plus the most acidic berry and lowest in sugar (unless you get the shitty american GMO ones). Low acidity aids digestion as I have found too.
6. after food I chew and subsequently swallow that famous mastic gum from the greek island, one of the most effective remedies for h.pylori and "bad bacteria" that exists. i take that twice a day.

As you can see I am very deterimined to solve my health once and for all, with all that candida, h.pylori, parasites shit that comes with it. However, I think that atm all I can do is maintenance, because I am certain that I live in a moldy home and regardless what I do, I find that when I am in the fresh air everything, including digestion changes. So the only way for me to get out of this forever is to get out of that fucking place I am living at :) Anyhow, once I get my liquid HCI I will update here.

Edit: One more thing I wanted to mention. That´s iron toxicity. Well mentioned in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nofRzKj0UgA and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urk-i6RmSEI Morley mentions the connection between candida and heavy metals such as iron. Candida holds on to it. the more iron u got in your body the bigger oxidative stress and health issues you can get. I´m certain that dietary iron is not so much of an issue. After all I eat meat, especially red, every day. I think it more the toxic iron from cooking pans, showers, fortified foods (that I used to eat) that causes over accumulation. So I actually did something I never did, I went for a blood donation to start getting rid of the overload. Just to be sure I can rule that iron toxicity out which might be effecting my candida/parasites and other critters. I did pretty well, no fainting and was active the whole day. Being weak after donating can be a sign of low adrenals, so I def did not have that. Anyhow, I think its good to incorporate blood donation to download toxic blood and make way for ur body to create new one. Morley mentioned also something that makes sense. Back in the days we used to bleed much more, because of field work, hunting and what not, so blood loss and recycling of blood was something natural and normal, nowadays it´s not.

did you try beet juice to increase HCL?
Title: Re: Just one more thing to be completely healed
Post by: norawnofun on January 17, 2020, 03:08:53 am
Yes, I tried it raw juiced alone and raw juiced with carrot and ginger (that combo was good), I also tried it boiled. Juiced was best but it was more because of the ginger, not the beet. Besides, beets are way too high in oxalates, to take that for some time with foods to increase HCI is not advisable. Hands down the best thing ever to increase HCI was raw corn on the cob, this worked really well. I gotta thank AV for that suggestion. But sourcing raw organic corn on the cob is hard, especially if its not in season.
Title: Re: Just one more thing to be completely healed
Post by: political atheist on January 18, 2020, 07:13:30 pm
Yes, I tried it raw juiced alone and raw juiced with carrot and ginger (that combo was good), I also tried it boiled. Juiced was best but it was more because of the ginger, not the beet. Besides, beets are way too high in oxalates, to take that for some time with foods to increase HCI is not advisable. Hands down the best thing ever to increase HCI was raw corn on the cob, this worked really well. I gotta thank AV for that suggestion. But sourcing raw organic corn on the cob is hard, especially if its not in season.

did you ever try bitter tasting stuff before meals?
Title: Re: Just one more thing to be completely healed
Post by: norawnofun on January 19, 2020, 04:52:25 pm
Yes, tried herbs and bitters such as dandelion root, green tea, swedish bitters, 7 kräuter stern then different bitter alcohols such as fernet branca. And the 2 herbal blends from interstellar, which work well, but at the same time its not something that increases HCI, more something that kills pathogens (which I am sure diminish HCI). Then mint, wormwood I need to count as well, but these I have mainly taken after food. One thing though is that peppermint tea can help after digestion quite a lot. But you need to give it some time, drunk with a meal or right after won´t help your HCI, but it can help with bowel movements. I took wormwood in tinkture form and as a tea for around 10 days. Tea was a desaster, I was sweating and felt so bad that I had to stop. Tincture i took for longer and was ok.  For some time I also bit into a fresh ginger root after food and let it sit in the mouth for a couple of minutes, but didn´t swallow it. That activated my digestive powers greatly, id almost put it in the same effectiveness as corn on the cob. Carbonate water, right before the meal can also help a lot. But not with a meal. If food didnt digest well you can also drink carbonated water, it will aid digestion.

Currently I am experimenting with chilli and cayenne. I find that chilli oil is a bit too much, i think it can interfere with digestion, but thats maybe because of the addition of the "chilli flavor" that they put in there. But when I find I do not have enough HCI for that meal I am eating, I am craving something spicy, often mustard or chilli. I also tried tabasco, but you would need too much if you want good results. Jalapenos I also tried for some time, effective but red chilli is better. Yesterday I got harissa, a spicy sauce made of chilli, garlic, caraway, coriander, citric acid and salt. When I took this yesterday my digestion was very well. If that continues well I will make my own. Chilli is also great against parasites, garlic against h.pylori and has sulphuric acid helps for HCI as mentioned above, caraway and coriander aid digestion and lemon juice has low PH. Adding ginger might even enhance this "formular". I´ll see how it goes.
Title: Re: Just one more thing to be completely healed
Post by: political atheist on January 20, 2020, 02:14:14 am
Yes, tried herbs and bitters such as dandelion root, green tea, swedish bitters, 7 kräuter stern then different bitter alcohols such as fernet branca. And the 2 herbal blends from interstellar, which work well, but at the same time its not something that increases HCI, more something that kills pathogens (which I am sure diminish HCI). Then mint, wormwood I need to count as well, but these I have mainly taken after food. One thing though is that peppermint tea can help after digestion quite a lot. But you need to give it some time, drunk with a meal or right after won´t help your HCI, but it can help with bowel movements. I took wormwood in tinkture form and as a tea for around 10 days. Tea was a desaster, I was sweating and felt so bad that I had to stop. Tincture i took for longer and was ok.  For some time I also bit into a fresh ginger root after food and let it sit in the mouth for a couple of minutes, but didn´t swallow it. That activated my digestive powers greatly, id almost put it in the same effectiveness as corn on the cob. Carbonate water, right before the meal can also help a lot. But not with a meal. If food didnt digest well you can also drink carbonated water, it will aid digestion.

Currently I am experimenting with chilli and cayenne. I find that chilli oil is a bit too much, i think it can interfere with digestion, but thats maybe because of the addition of the "chilli flavor" that they put in there. But when I find I do not have enough HCI for that meal I am eating, I am craving something spicy, often mustard or chilli. I also tried tabasco, but you would need too much if you want good results. Jalapenos I also tried for some time, effective but red chilli is better. Yesterday I got harissa, a spicy sauce made of chilli, garlic, caraway, coriander, citric acid and salt. When I took this yesterday my digestion was very well. If that continues well I will make my own. Chilli is also great against parasites, garlic against h.pylori and has sulphuric acid helps for HCI as mentioned above, caraway and coriander aid digestion and lemon juice has low PH. Adding ginger might even enhance this "formular". I´ll see how it goes.

Any experience ith apple cider vinegar?

Aajnus said beet juice helps HCL production, few ounces per day... also eating 1 tblsp. papaya or pineapple with meals
Title: Re: Just one more thing to be completely healed
Post by: norawnofun on January 20, 2020, 05:48:14 pm
I drank ACV religiously for several months every day, before food, with food, after food, with water, undiluted...allthough it´s acidic, it does not properly help create the real HCI. It does help for constipation if one drinks some minutes/hours after eating, but that´s about it. I know he said beet juice helps HCl, that´s why I tried it in the first place, but I found it to be pretty useless. His corn suggestion was far better. I also tried papaya and pineapple. Papaya helped only once, but it does not create or help HCI, it just gives you all the enzymes needed for further digestion, but if ur lacking HCI in the first place, its of no use. It´s also pretty high in sugar, especially pineapple, not a good idea if you fight candida or parasites. I got my liquid HCI today, going to try it very soon. Extremely curious about it. Will update.
Title: Re: Just one more thing to be completely healed
Post by: norawnofun on January 25, 2020, 04:41:36 am
Update. I took the liquid HCI for several days now, before food, with food and after food. I took around 60 drops with each meal. Allthough it does give you more acid it´s not what I need. And the bottle is almost gone anyway. So this was a fail. From tomorrow onwards I will also stop the mastic gum, which I took 2-3 times a day (morning, eve and sometimes in between) for around 2 weeks. Recommended is around 1 gram. I took more than that. I took it unchewed and chewed, no difference. I took it on an empty stomach, right before food, with food and after. Before food is not a good idea, it made my stomach feel bad and killed my appetite therefore the preparation of gastric juices. With food it does not help acid production, and after food it does either nothing or it hinders digestion. When I take something I always aim to take it for longer, to make sure that this is not an adaption or die off phase, but in this case I am pretty certain that it did more harm than good. One thing that I noticed is that my thyroid seems to be swollen after taking it. I am uncertain if the problem is that I usually eat chilly (harissa) with it, or due to the mastic gum. Since I introduced mastic gum for longer than harissa, I think it´s the mastic.

So after taking this into consideration I assume that I could possibly rule out h.pylori as a reason for my low stomach acid. A stool test came back negative some weeks ago and I did a colonoscopy some years ago and that was negative as well. The last test I could do, which they don´t offer in my country, would be a Urea breath test. Allthough there are certain things that work pretty well for me and that automatically combat h.p,  such as green tea, liquorice, red wine, garlic, onion, ginger and so forth, it does not automatically mean that I have h.p overgrowth.

I also took spirochetes into consideration, which can also be the reason for lyme, so I got myself one (or the most) effective remedy against it, which is Sarsaparilla, bought the whole pack, took it once and felt really shitty and bloated. I never took it again. There are sometimes things that you would try for longer, this is def not one of these things.

So what´s left for the cause of my low HCI? I think parasites and/or candida. I bought myself the original hulda clark parasite cleanse called Paracleanse (not the vegetarian version) which consists of Black Walnut Tincture, Super W Blend and Clove, which I expect very soon. Seems to be the most effective properly prepared plan against parasites. I tried a shitload of different anti-parasitic things, including medical drugs, but nothing really "killed" them. Here is the protocol http://drclarkstore.com/content/Para-Cleanse%20P65.pdf for whoever is interested.

Then I was rethinking candida, and it starts to make more and more sense. I used to eat a SAD diet with daily alcohol and lots of stress. I also live in a humid country where mold is present everywhere in your surroundings, including a lot of pesticides sprayed on crop. Add to that antibiotics which I had to take (briefly but still) and I think I might know the root cause for my low stomach acid that I seem to have for over a decade. Add a high carb plant based diet to the mix and I think you have the perfect combination for systemic candida overgrowth. I noticed that when I was eating more carbs this christmas, i felt a lot worse the days after, and since I ran out of my herbal blends and my coconut oil, things ain´t going so well, even though I´m still on low carb. I still have the same problem when I go into the kitchen where I live, i start to feel really bad in the stomach and my appetite gets killed almost instantly. So I read again about candida and came across this post http://candida.com/read-my-candida-story/ and she got rid of it with 10-Undecenoic Acid, (also known as Undecenoic Acid or Undecylenic Acid). This acid is apparently far stronger than in coconut oil (which is caprylic acid) and coconut oil is known to help against candida and yeast overgrowth. So I bought it and will see how it goes.

There are some interesting things to note here, when I go down to the kitchen with a blocked nose I feel pretty well, once I blow it I am certain that through my nose I inhale the surrounding mold that´s in the air and walls, so I start to feel worse, kill my hunger, my gastric juices and when I eat my food I can´t break it down, get constipation and all the shit that comes with it. It obviously comes with stress and stress lowers mag, so I think that´s why I am craving dark chocolate, pumpkinseed oil and lately seafood (mollusks) and I can shit happily again. I also cleaned my distiller yesterday and the fan and inside was full of black mold and dust. So what could I do? I tried to clean the mold which is impossible since its behind the wall. The only thing I could do is run around in a gas mask (i tried a normal mask briefly), have nose clips or a dehumidifier. But that´s not quite a solution...

Since many years I subconciously always want to open the window when I´m in the kitchen and go into the living room to eat, or even better eat outside. I never understood this behaviour but after many years of not understanding why (when you have digestive issues you can´t think clearly anyway), I think I got it. All that surrounding mold keeps aggrevating my candida (i did a test for that on several occations and it always indicated issues with candida overgrowth), which kills my hunger and HCI, and it also makes parasites thrive, since your HCI is lowered, and these parasites which I clearly have, since I see them in my vomit. Another thing I realized is that where I live is a LOT of humidity, and I instinctly hug the heater since there is no central heating, the heater emits dry air and after I felt bad and couldn´t digest my fuckin food again, like today, I felt instantly better after a couple of minutes. Another indication that humidity and mold will wreck havoc if you have candida/fungal issues in your body. That´s why a far infrared sauna, rather than a wet sauna could be more beneficial.

I mentioned before that I did a carnivore diet for 6 months, and that gave me lots of energy. I think it was because of the "low carb" approach, cutting out carbs (which aggrevate candida), all plant foods, but, I still had constipation due to the imbalance of calcium and magnesium. If I would have consumed more mag and less dairy carbs (more cheese and butter instead of yoghurt and milk), I might could have had the perfect balance to lower candida more significantly and and the same time sort out my digestion once and for all. Allthough I did a carnivore diet, I think I was never in ketosis, which, moving forward, I plan to finally do, this time properly and measured and at the same time take 10-Undecenoic Acid to kill the candida and possible do that parasite cleanse. Plus I plan to move from this moldy shithole I am living in, so if that will not do the trick then I don´t fucking know what.

That post went again a bit overboard but I think it might help people give some clues. Will update again once I tried the undecenoic acid.
Title: Re: Just one more thing to be completely healed
Post by: kelpguy on January 25, 2020, 12:16:06 pm
hey norawnofun...
tnx for sharing, hope u find the solution to your ills soon.   

what country and or latitude are you currently at?
Title: Re: Just one more thing to be completely healed
Post by: political atheist on January 25, 2020, 08:26:40 pm

That post went again a bit overboard but I think it might help people give some clues. Will update again once I tried the undecenoic acid.

You need to eat enough SALT and drink enough water to create enough HCL.

You also need to focus on cleaning your liver.
Title: Re: Just one more thing to be completely healed
Post by: norawnofun on January 26, 2020, 04:13:39 am
i eat plenty of salt and drink enough water, going overboard with water hinders HCI. And I know that the liver is extremely imporant, its one of the most important organs. And creating or taking HCI does not seem to be the problem for me, the problems seems to be something that hinders or lowers it´s production. Remove the root cause is what I need to focus on. And these causes are almost certainly parasites or candida
Title: Re: Just one more thing to be completely healed
Post by: PaganGoy on January 26, 2020, 02:15:34 pm
For HCL and digestion
I've been mixing red meat with fowl and fish with a few tbsp each of liver and kidney and eating that as I feel cut up into pieces in a jar for convenience. 

As soon as I get acidic from red meat i just switch to white and then as soon as I feel im lacking from white I eat a spoonful of red.

Personally when it comes to me sweetbreads as well as lamb fat, marrow, tongue, are easy for me to digest.

I think we can both really benefit from getting some tripe and gall bladder on a regular basis, sucks that they bleach tripe here in canada...
I don't even think gall bladder is considered an edible part of the animal by law here... sucks.
blood can help digestion too, dry aged meats probably require more hcl
Pancreas probably helps digestion too if eaten with meat




Title: Re: Just one more thing to be completely healed
Post by: norawnofun on February 29, 2020, 08:10:17 am
So, i finished the parasite cleanse some days ago. Nothing much has changed, allthough my mood is far better, i still have the same issue with low HCI. I assume its because the products of the cleanse also have antifungal properties. But, at least I can say that 99% I know what my problem was for all these years. Candida. No wonder why the medical drugs for parasites did nothing, nor did the mastic gum for the h.pylori I do not seem to have. All these things I saw in my saliva and puke was candida, in different shapes, allthough I can sometimes see some small worms, but I read that there is a parasite that likes to be in symbiosis with candida. Anyway, I leave it at that and focus on candida.

So its good to finally know after all these years what the issue is, only problem is that chronic candida can be a tough one to get rid of, since they can adapt well, apparently also to a ketogenic diet, but I guess its better than high carb anyway. There are many remedies that seem to work for people, too many to mention here, some of them I tried, but reading through the comments of candida sufferers, it can take months or years for people to balance it out if you rely on just supplements. I´m not interested in that. I´m pretty fed up of supplements by now, unless its something that aids detoxification of organs such as liver. Here I would recommend the herbal blend. It also seems that if you have the MTHFR gene, you might not do well on supplements.

I think the best is to focus on the fastest and most effective ways, which seem to be dry fasting in combination with keto or ZC, no dairy and eggs, alongside eating a lot of probiotics and fermented foods, that would take over your gut and lower the candida amount to a normal level. When it comes to meat I think the best food against candida would be dry aged meat, like sabertooth consumes, due to the natural probiotic bacteria that is created during the aging process. I consumed it some some days ago, it was the most amazing thing I ate in a long time. To say I crave it would be an understatement. The longer its aged the more I want it. Maybe even high meat would work, allthough if you have low HCI due to candida, you might invite the uninvited. I will also try raw kefir again, even if its dairy. I was eating natto for the first time as well, to see how it "feels", since my natural senses seem to be coming back. So far I can´t say much, but one issue I see alongside the (possibly still high) estrogen amount (unless the fermentation lowers it), is that the PH is very alkaline. Natto seems to be the only fermented food which is not acidic. When I ate it together with some meat my digestion was impaired. Same as with coconut meat, which I crave every time I see it, but it´s hard to digest, I guess the fault lies again at the higher alkaline PH level which isn´t good if you have low HCI. So best is to eat these things alone. Anyway, it seems that I know the enemy now so I can finally focus on fixing it once and for all.

But the most significant thing that I noticed is the change in mood. Candida can alter your mind tremendously. It can trigger sudden "out of the blue" aggression and anger, maybe because it can accumulate in your brain stem causing a whole lot of mess up there. It´s interesting to observe, but it can be not so nice for others. Coincidently, the foods that I found helpful and work for parasites, such as cayenne, garlic, pumpkin seed oil, green tea (caffeine in general), also work against Candida. No wonder I had always thought my problems were related to parasites only. Might also drink a couple of green teas again, because that triggered the biggest and most effective candida detox cleanse I ever experienced in my life some time ago. Will update again in some time.
Title: Re: Just one more thing to be completely healed
Post by: RawFoodist on March 01, 2020, 03:23:27 pm
So, i finished the parasite cleanse some days ago. Nothing much has changed, allthough my mood is far better, i still have the same issue with low HCI. I assume its because the products of the cleanse also have antifungal properties. But, at least I can say that 99% I know what my problem was for all these years. Candida. No wonder why the medical drugs for parasites did nothing, nor did the mastic gum for the h.pylori I do not seem to have. All these things I saw in my saliva and puke was candida, in different shapes, allthough I can sometimes see some small worms, but I read that there is a parasite that likes to be in symbiosis with candida. Anyway, I leave it at that and focus on candida.

So its good to finally know after all these years what the issue is, only problem is that chronic candida can be a tough one to get rid of, since they can adapt well, apparently also to a ketogenic diet, but I guess its better than high carb anyway. There are many remedies that seem to work for people, too many to mention here, some of them I tried, but reading through the comments of candida sufferers, it can take months or years for people to balance it out if you rely on just supplements. I´m not interested in that. I´m pretty fed up of supplements by now, unless its something that aids detoxification of organs such as liver. Here I would recommend the herbal blend. It also seems that if you have the MTHFR gene, you might not do well on supplements.

I think the best is to focus on the fastest and most effective ways, which seem to be dry fasting in combination with keto or ZC, no dairy and eggs, alongside eating a lot of probiotics and fermented foods, that would take over your gut and lower the candida amount to a normal level. When it comes to meat I think the best food against candida would be dry aged meat, like sabertooth consumes, due to the natural probiotic bacteria that is created during the aging process. I consumed it some some days ago, it was the most amazing thing I ate in a long time. To say I crave it would be an understatement. The longer its aged the more I want it. Maybe even high meat would work, allthough if you have low HCI due to candida, you might invite the uninvited. I will also try raw kefir again, even if its dairy. I was eating natto for the first time as well, to see how it "feels", since my natural senses seem to be coming back. So far I can´t say much, but one issue I see alongside the (possibly still high) estrogen amount (unless the fermentation lowers it), is that the PH is very alkaline. Natto seems to be the only fermented food which is not acidic. When I ate it together with some meat my digestion was impaired. Same as with coconut meat, which I crave every time I see it, but it´s hard to digest, I guess the fault lies again at the higher alkaline PH level which isn´t good if you have low HCI. So best is to eat these things alone. Anyway, it seems that I know the enemy now so I can finally focus on fixing it once and for all.

But the most significant thing that I noticed is the change in mood. Candida can alter your mind tremendously. It can trigger sudden "out of the blue" aggression and anger, maybe because it can accumulate in your brain stem causing a whole lot of mess up there. It´s interesting to observe, but it can be not so nice for others. Coincidently, the foods that I found helpful and work for parasites, such as cayenne, garlic, pumpkin seed oil, green tea (caffeine in general), also work against Candida. No wonder I had always thought my problems were related to parasites only. Might also drink a couple of green teas again, because that triggered the biggest and most effective candida detox cleanse I ever experienced in my life some time ago. Will update again in some time.

candida is not the problem.. but a lack of clean bile
Title: Re: Just one more thing to be completely healed
Post by: norawnofun on March 01, 2020, 03:44:02 pm
mind going a bit more into detail?
Title: Re: Just one more thing to be completely healed
Post by: Inger on March 01, 2020, 08:13:54 pm
I have learned that too much iron accumulated in the liver/gallbladder and coming out in the intestines with the bile makes candida grow.
Another issue with too much iron.
Title: Re: Just one more thing to be completely healed
Post by: RawFoodist on March 03, 2020, 08:51:29 pm
mind going a bit more into detail?

you need clean and thin bile.... it is the bile that keeps the intestinal flora in balance, bile is also a digestive fluid, bile also makes you shit... when constipated, it is because of lack of enough clean thin bile, not because lack of fiber, according to my research
Title: Re: Just one more thing to be completely healed
Post by: smokeyquartz on March 03, 2020, 10:47:01 pm
@norawnofun
Do you know how Sabertooth dry ages his meat?  Do you just keep it uncovered in the fridge?  I also have the "mood symptoms" of candida you mentioned.

Also, would this work if I used a meat that was previously frozen?  I finally found a grass-fed farmer about 1/2 hour away from me; however his meats are all frozen and I have to thaw them. 
Title: Re: Just one more thing to be completely healed
Post by: norawnofun on March 04, 2020, 08:00:23 am
Morley mentioned that candia can be caused by too much iron, I am aware of that. When I did the blood donation I felt no change whatsoever, either I don´t have too much iron accumulated or I would need more donations. So iron might not be the issue. I am also aware of the importance of bile as a digestive aid, nothing new for me here. One thing that I think helps bile flow is drinking coffee, very slowly and a cup or half max. At least for me. And regarding derek (sabertooth), in this video he explains his fridge and the process of dry aging his meats https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_xEsAK7-dA I am not sure if it works with frozen meat. I assume it does, but who knows? Doing high meat with frozen meat works too. Maybe he could answer your question directly here. And regarding candida there are 2 very good groups on fb that discuss candida. Lots of noobs but also several people with good knowledge in those 2.
Title: Re: Just one more thing to be completely healed
Post by: thehadezb on March 17, 2020, 12:27:23 am
Hi @norawnofun, thanks for keeping this post alive.

I would like to share an update of my journey:

These months doing my anti-candida protocol has been pretty intense. I can't relate all the die-off sypmtoms I have passed in the 2.5 months I've been doing this. I've had mood swings, joint pain, constipation, gas, bloating, black-outs, migraines, brain-fog, etc. I will divide my protocol in 3 dimensions and explain why I did this or that.

Nutrition:
I switched from Carnivore to Paleo. I've been eating just this things: Meat (rare or raw), fish, mollusk, sweet potatoes, mineral carbonated water, raw fat (much less than when I was on Carnivore), papaya and watermelon.
The reason I avoided a ketogenic diet It's because I felt like pure bullshit doing a ketogenic diet. I was in ketosis and I was surviving in it, but I felt horrible. Just before doing my protocol, I found that Candida does best on a ketogenic host. So I'm out of the ketosis bandwagon.

Supplements:
SF722 (8 pills a day): The most important shit to kill my Candida. Die-off is FUCKING intense, but don't hesitate, this shit works.
Molonaurin (7g): Another anti-fungal, but also a bio-film disruptor. Gentler than the SF722 but effective. Also important AF.
Bee propolis (20-30 drops) : I got an extract made with mead. This made my anti-fungals work way stronger and effective. Also important, but not AF.
apo-Lactoferrin (2 caps): Really don't know if this did something, but theoretically this bind to iron bio films and support my own inmune response, which I believe is negligible because your inmune system is your gut flora and my gut flora is unbalanced and bullshit.
NAC (1g): Anti-oxidant, mood stabilizer, impulsiveness controller, bio film buster and I don't know what else. This supplement is also important AF. Without this I would have surrender to my cravings and mood swings.
Interfase Plus (2 caps): Enzymes to destroy biofilm. Made my anti-fungals work stronger. I don't know If It add that much effectiveness taking in consideration that I was also taking the Monolaurin and Bee propolis, but It surely add something. Take it if you have the money.
UDCA (2 caps) : Bile support, liver support, remedy against constipation. Take it if needed.
Collagen (1 tbsp): Added this just a few days before. You know what collagen is for. Nothing special.
Apple Cider Vinegar (2 tbsp): Added a week ago. Seems to be helping. I don't know how much or if It is placebo due to I'm improving slowly with the other things, but I've seen my major improvements after starting taking 2 tbps before food.
Unmodified Potato Starch: 1 tbsp of resistant startch. To feed my probiotics. Seems to be helping.
Custom Probiotics 11 Strain: I don't know if it helping, tbh. Everyone on Reddit says that probiotics works. I can't relate.
Vitamin C (4g) : Anti-oxidant for the die-off reactions. Also good against COVID n_n.
Activated charcoal (1-2 caps): Binder for the die-off by-products.

Lifestyle changes:
Sun bathing: Sun is your ally. Makes you sweat and detox. Give you energy. I don't know what else the sun does, but the sun has turned me from being mad and sad AF to be a controlled civilized individual.
Intermittent fasting: I only eat when It's daytime. I eat my carbs first and then wait 1-2 hours to eat my meat. Antifungals always after or during meal time. From experience. I would also recommend dry-fasting for minimum 48 hours. I've seen a lot of Candida out of my GI tract after dry-fasting. It really does something.
Don't drink water before or after meals.
Don't trust your cravings, ever.


Regarding HCl, I would like to add that anti-fungals helps you recover some of your acidity. When you start taking anti-fungals, you would note recurrent acid reflux. I believe this is a reaction of the Candida metabolism or die-off. Candida produce amonia which lowers your GI acidity. Kill the Candida and you will recover some of your acidity.

Also, your bile have to be moving. Take UDCA or any other bile supplement. Bile detoxes you and restore your gut flora. You need to be flushing with bile constantly to get rid of the infection.

When I finally recover I would make a complete and long post to clarify and explain my complete protocol and journey. Hope this helps for now.

Also, @norawnofun, keep us updated, please.

Love to all
Title: Re: Just one more thing to be completely healed
Post by: Inger on March 17, 2020, 03:09:40 pm
Quote
Lifestyle changes:
Sun bathing: Sun is your ally. Makes you sweat and detox. Give you energy. I don't know what else the sun does, but the sun has turned me from being mad and sad AF to be a controlled civilized individual.
Intermittent fasting: I only eat when It's daytime.

Love this :)
Sun really is a  magic healer, the very best one :) :)
I too only eat when sun is out. It feels very natural to do so. Not eating before sunrise and not  after sunset.
Title: Re: Just one more thing to be completely healed
Post by: norawnofun on March 17, 2020, 04:28:11 pm
Thanks for the update. Well for me I can say that life changed a bit. Im out of the moldy house, out of the humid, congested and filthy country I lived at. Now I live in a clean environment, air is superior, no moldy house. I thought the changes of moving will be more significant, but they aren´t. I still have the occurance that whenever I have food in front of me candida gets more activated and lowers my stomach acid. These fuckers are well adapted and smart. In the previous country I lived I had sun every day, but I did not see any siginificant change. But I do realize that breathing fresh outside air is very important to lower symptoms.

I read about the warnings of keto and candida, however this does not count for everybody. There are people that do well on keto vs candida, then there are some that don´t. This is an individual thing and I think the most important thing is to listen to your intuition when doing any dietary changed. But the problem is, as you already mentioned, cravings. To distinguish between intuition and cravings. I think candida could possibly make you crave certain foods (such as dairy), for its own survival. Candida certainly messes with your brain. I notice that when there is a die-off it goes together with a pulling at the region of the brain stem and/or headaches, among mood issues. Personally I seem to do well on low carb, i feel mentally very good when I fast, until the point when I think fasting inaugurates a die-off, then I can get very agressive and moody. It´s pretty annoying. Then when I take somthing to kill them, all of a sudden my mood changes. I still want to try getting into ketosis, I think that might be the step I need to make a big change. If I feel like its doing harm, I´d stop. It´s silly to keep doing something allthough you feel shitty in it. The "hang in there" approach is not the best if you intuition tells you otherwise.

Now turning to the supplementation. You take a lot of things, like I used to. But I came to the conclusion that you need to be careful. When I did the parasite cleanse which for sure also helped for killing candida, you might overburden your organs. So now my digestion works pretty well but, I don´t have much energy, sex drive or will to do much. I used to work out but I stopped. What I will do now is to focus on bringing the organs in top shape, with the herbal blends that I had mentioned and matcha tea. I find that caffeine, be it coffee, black tea or green tea is pretty effective in killing candida. And there is scientific evidence that caffeine kills candida. I had mentioned that I had a huge die-off after drinking 2-3 cups of green tea, and also some kind of die-off when drinking black tea with lemon in the morning. Coffee is also a great aid if I drink half a cup to a cup max, it also aids bile flow.

I also noticed that taking a lot of spicy foods caused a die-off, but this also seems to have an effect of the thyroid. I read that candida die-off can cause thyroid "sensations" such as pulsation and I believe that. The foods I am taking atm is lots of meat, sardines (I think B12 is very important), berries, 100% dark chocolate, walnuts, low carb veggies (including cruciferous), raw sauerkraut, eggs and dairy among other things. I am still experimenting with raw dairy because I want to finally know if it aids or hinders. Same as with eggs. But it seems like that anything that interferes with your mind can hinder healing from candida. Since dairy and eggs have lots of hormones, I think cutting them out might just be what is needed for any candida sufferer. Maybe that´s the reason why some people with candida don´t do well on keto, because they focus on too much dairy and eggs for it´s fat content. Did you eat any of these 2 on your keto? I´m also convinced that candida lowers your gastric acid capability, so you end up not being able to digest your food. So there is definitly a connection between acid and candida. They want a more alkaline ph, otherwise they can hardly survive. That´s why, at least in my opinion and experience, its so important to focus on acidic foods (that have a lower ph) until candida is resolved, anything with a higher ph will just hinder your digestion. You want to create the most acidic environment in your stomach, so stand no chance. I realize this during fasting, your stomach fights them by trying to lower the ph to "digest" them, they counteract. During fasting I notice that I digest something when I burp, and thats candida, not parasites as I have always though. carbonated water also helps a lot, as its very acidic. I do drink distilled and carbonated water. I think distilled is the best water for cleansing, but not right after eating, as its ph is not low enough to increase gastric acid production.

The next couple of days will tell if I should stay away from dairy and eggs or not. I have experimented with both many times. But I keep on thinking they are ok. I guess I´m just foolish to think they are beneficial for candida. They have some pros but for this condition I don´t think there are any. I am also experimenting with raw kefir again, because I think that might actually be good against candida. And I´ll add raw marrow. Maybe a keto diet with raw kefir might just be what I need. Adding a lot of the right kind of probiotics should be the right way to kick out candida I suppose. I believe dry aged meat would be the best for that. But it´s expensive. I also take good amounts of pumpkin seed oil and the mentioned dark chocolate because I think magnesium and copper are very important. Liver I can´t handle. Fish I don´t feel like except sardines. Another thing, I read that floaters can be a cause of candida (whereas I though it´s a sign for parasites), and one remedy for that seems to be good is hemp seed oil. When I used to take it, back then when I had no clue about candida, it did me well. So I´ll buy that again. Lastly, I started taking bee pollen again, which I consider superior over many foods. I want to be sure to have a good immune system if I get corona, that plus high vitamin C foods should do the trick I hope. Because if you have this candida issue, how can you be certain to have a good working immune system? Especially if it has to constantly fight candida? Therefore, better to ramp up the nutrition. Not that I am freaking out as many others do, but I rather be as healthy as possible if I get it.
Title: Re: Just one more thing to be completely healed
Post by: thehadezb on March 19, 2020, 08:05:06 am
Yeah @Inger, the sun is a powerful healer.

Hi. @norawnofun

What I take in the form of supplements, you take it in the form of food. Your diet seems very complex.

So, do you take herbal blends for the liver? What other organ are you trying to support?

Regarding dairy, when I was on keto, I was a fan un butter and cheese. I bought it raw. I tried raw milk, clabbered and fresh, but It was not high quality so I dropped it. I can tell by my experience that dairy didn't help me with my problems (probably It worsened, I felt more constipated, bloated and gassy during that time), but It helped me maintain a keto lifestyle. Months later I found beef fat, lamb fat and marrow as new sources of calories and dropped the dairy all together.

Regarding eggs, I only do yolks and them don't seem to cause me symptoms.

Regarding coffee and caffeine, from my experience cultivating magic mushrooms, I can tell you that fungus can also metabolize caffeine and this drugs functions the same It does to humans. Fungus grows and acts frenzy in the presence of a caffeine-rich substrate. We use it as an additive to quicken colonization. Also, coffee has a lot of mold and easily grows fungus. I'm not that much experienced, so I would tell you just to avoid the coffee and use another source of caffeine. Yeah, It aids bile flow and bile flow is important to detox from the toxic metabolites from the fungus, but there are other options which can be less dangerous. As an add-on, coffee is an stimulant and consuming it for a long time can cause withdrawal symptoms and burnt-out.

Regarding keto, I couldn't said it better, It is an individual factor. I have also seem people doing great on keto to kill their fungal infections. Just to inform people that keto is not always the best option.

Yeah, nutrition is very important. I really have neglected my nutrition the last 3 months. Before I ate liver, marrow and very, very high-quality raw fat and meat. That time has to come back.

In a few weeks, my supplements will be empty and I will maintain a periodic dry-fasting protocol and being carefully with my diet at a minimum, just until I can save enough money to buy a new round of supplements again. My list will me shorter this time and I will add chelation supplements because I continue to believe that Candida survive because It has a very powerful bio-film matrix that helps him being attached to my GI tract and this matrix is composed of various metals and minerals.

Saludos
Title: Re: Just one more thing to be completely healed
Post by: norawnofun on March 20, 2020, 06:42:33 am
Actually my diet is pretty easy I think. I just focus on important minerals (such as copper and mag), low carb and good quality meats and fats. The blends I already took and want to get again are https://theinterstellarplan.com/product/interstellar-spice-blend/ and https://theinterstellarplan.com/product/peel-blend/ the 20:1 concentration, 200:1 is far stronger but I don´t have the money for that right now. That concentration might also be overkill, but I dunno. Both have huge amounts of Polyphenols / Flavonoids, which seem to regenerate organs pretty well. Out of all the supplements and herbal things I took, these felt right and did me well. So these 2 plus matcha green tea, that´s what I plan to take and ideally nothing else, beside diet.

If you would ask an experienced chinese TCM herbalist which organ is the most important, he should say ALL of them. I don´t think you should only focus on the liver, sure its one of the most important, but if you overburden one of them, then most likely all of them will be effected. I believe that Polyphenols / Flavonoids can fix most, if not all organs, thats why I go for them. Detox of anything, be it candida, heavy metals, parasites...put your organs in a lot of stress, why not give them a little hand? They seem to be a universal aid for many misalignments. I also think that my pancreas are messed up, as when I have some digestive issues due to eating higher carb, I always have some kind of pain in that region and I feel really weird, like too much insulin is going out. So just focusing on one organ suchs as the liver doesn´t make sense, especially if you don´t know which on is affected. Funnily enough the blends taste quite like ayahuasca to me, and I consider this drink of mother nature the most powerful and profound remedy of anything that I have ever tried.

Now regarding dairy, I did a little reseach and I found that Estrogen helps grow and keep candida alive. Not that I never heard of that but I think that might be the connection I needed to read to understand why I´m not improving 100 percent. See https://hormonesbalance.com/articles/anti-candida-articles/candida-yeast-overgrowth-creates-hormonal-havoc-part-1-surprising-symptoms-causes-tests/ So I will ditch dairy and eggs. I am a bit uncertain regarding raw homemade kefir though. If it helps or hinders. So I did a batch of some raw A2 cow milk kefir, drank some and had this sensation at the thyroid. Then when reading about that, it shows that hormones/estrogen can also mess with the thyroid. I think I have a hormonal inbalance of all that dairy that I was consuming, so I will only try the kefir for a short period of time. Until then I make coconut kefir with the grains I have and see how that goes. Also, keep in mind that if you have candida and still eat yolks this might not be a good idea, eggs are a estrogen rich hormonal food, that would again feed candida. If I were you I would cut it out. Just because you don´t have symptoms, you still have issues with candida :)

I read conflicting reports about coffee being ok in small quantities on candida, but problematic in bigger ones. Here it says that caffeine would have a positive effect against c. albicans https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2195351 I also know about the concerns regarding mold, coffee beans and that you shouldn´t drink non-organic. Also about the withdrawal and stimulating/malicious effects on the adrenals. But I´m not sure if 1 cup or even half would make such a difference. Either way, Ill try swapping coffee with some strong black tea blend such as early grey, to see if that would have a similar effect, as of now the ones I tried don´t come close to the effects of good coffee. I am still very careful with coffee though, if I drink it too fast, I get some really bad stomach ache and bloating which results in a total kill of appetite, if I don´t have some fats some time after drinking coffee. Another thing that needs to be taken into consideration regarding your fungus comment is the fact that you cannot put all fungi in one pot, and generally say that all is created equal. If you have a look at medicinal mushrooms such as chaga and birch polypore, they seem to be the most effective fungi against candida, despite being a fungi. I never tried them but if you have access to them, I´d def go for it. Surely some of them can affect candida in a negative way, but when people put all fungi in one pot and generalize, not a good idea. I also read and heard that fungi has a powerful biofilm and that it attracts heavy metals and I can surely believe that.
Title: Re: Just one more thing to be completely healed
Post by: RawFoodist on July 14, 2020, 10:01:28 pm
Thanks for the update. Well for me I can say that life changed a bit. Im out of the moldy house, out of the humid, congested and filthy country I lived at. Now I live in a clean environment, air is superior, no moldy house. I thought the changes of moving will be more significant, but they aren´t. I still have the occurance that whenever I have food in front of me candida gets more activated and lowers my stomach acid. These fuckers are well adapted and smart. In the previous country I lived I had sun every day, but I did not see any siginificant change. But I do realize that breathing fresh outside air is very important to lower symptoms.

I read about the warnings of keto and candida, however this does not count for everybody. There are people that do well on keto vs candida, then there are some that don´t. This is an individual thing and I think the most important thing is to listen to your intuition when doing any dietary changed. But the problem is, as you already mentioned, cravings. To distinguish between intuition and cravings. I think candida could possibly make you crave certain foods (such as dairy), for its own survival. Candida certainly messes with your brain. I notice that when there is a die-off it goes together with a pulling at the region of the brain stem and/or headaches, among mood issues. Personally I seem to do well on low carb, i feel mentally very good when I fast, until the point when I think fasting inaugurates a die-off, then I can get very agressive and moody. It´s pretty annoying. Then when I take somthing to kill them, all of a sudden my mood changes. I still want to try getting into ketosis, I think that might be the step I need to make a big change. If I feel like its doing harm, I´d stop. It´s silly to keep doing something allthough you feel shitty in it. The "hang in there" approach is not the best if you intuition tells you otherwise.

Now turning to the supplementation. You take a lot of things, like I used to. But I came to the conclusion that you need to be careful. When I did the parasite cleanse which for sure also helped for killing candida, you might overburden your organs. So now my digestion works pretty well but, I don´t have much energy, sex drive or will to do much. I used to work out but I stopped. What I will do now is to focus on bringing the organs in top shape, with the herbal blends that I had mentioned and matcha tea. I find that caffeine, be it coffee, black tea or green tea is pretty effective in killing candida. And there is scientific evidence that caffeine kills candida. I had mentioned that I had a huge die-off after drinking 2-3 cups of green tea, and also some kind of die-off when drinking black tea with lemon in the morning. Coffee is also a great aid if I drink half a cup to a cup max, it also aids bile flow.

I also noticed that taking a lot of spicy foods caused a die-off, but this also seems to have an effect of the thyroid. I read that candida die-off can cause thyroid "sensations" such as pulsation and I believe that. The foods I am taking atm is lots of meat, sardines (I think B12 is very important), berries, 100% dark chocolate, walnuts, low carb veggies (including cruciferous), raw sauerkraut, eggs and dairy among other things. I am still experimenting with raw dairy because I want to finally know if it aids or hinders. Same as with eggs. But it seems like that anything that interferes with your mind can hinder healing from candida. Since dairy and eggs have lots of hormones, I think cutting them out might just be what is needed for any candida sufferer. Maybe that´s the reason why some people with candida don´t do well on keto, because they focus on too much dairy and eggs for it´s fat content. Did you eat any of these 2 on your keto? I´m also convinced that candida lowers your gastric acid capability, so you end up not being able to digest your food. So there is definitly a connection between acid and candida. They want a more alkaline ph, otherwise they can hardly survive. That´s why, at least in my opinion and experience, its so important to focus on acidic foods (that have a lower ph) until candida is resolved, anything with a higher ph will just hinder your digestion. You want to create the most acidic environment in your stomach, so stand no chance. I realize this during fasting, your stomach fights them by trying to lower the ph to "digest" them, they counteract. During fasting I notice that I digest something when I burp, and thats candida, not parasites as I have always though. carbonated water also helps a lot, as its very acidic. I do drink distilled and carbonated water. I think distilled is the best water for cleansing, but not right after eating, as its ph is not low enough to increase gastric acid production.

The next couple of days will tell if I should stay away from dairy and eggs or not. I have experimented with both many times. But I keep on thinking they are ok. I guess I´m just foolish to think they are beneficial for candida. They have some pros but for this condition I don´t think there are any. I am also experimenting with raw kefir again, because I think that might actually be good against candida. And I´ll add raw marrow. Maybe a keto diet with raw kefir might just be what I need. Adding a lot of the right kind of probiotics should be the right way to kick out candida I suppose. I believe dry aged meat would be the best for that. But it´s expensive. I also take good amounts of pumpkin seed oil and the mentioned dark chocolate because I think magnesium and copper are very important. Liver I can´t handle. Fish I don´t feel like except sardines. Another thing, I read that floaters can be a cause of candida (whereas I though it´s a sign for parasites), and one remedy for that seems to be good is hemp seed oil. When I used to take it, back then when I had no clue about candida, it did me well. So I´ll buy that again. Lastly, I started taking bee pollen again, which I consider superior over many foods. I want to be sure to have a good immune system if I get corona, that plus high vitamin C foods should do the trick I hope. Because if you have this candida issue, how can you be certain to have a good working immune system? Especially if it has to constantly fight candida? Therefore, better to ramp up the nutrition. Not that I am freaking out as many others do, but I rather be as healthy as possible if I get it.

are you aware of heavy metal toxicity in relation to candida/sibo?

did you ever try turpentine, sodium thiosulphate, borax?
Title: Re: Just one more thing to be completely healed
Post by: norawnofun on July 15, 2020, 05:16:31 am
are you aware of heavy metal toxicity in relation to candida/sibo?

did you ever try turpentine, sodium thiosulphate, borax?

I am aware of the connection between heavy metals and candida, and I never tried the 3 you mentioned, although I know about them. But I got fed up of experimenting. I decided to stop all supplements and "extras", also finished the herbs I had, although they clearly made a difference, but I decided to put my focus on food and EMF. The shungite pendant I have definitely helped me, but I recently took it off since I got a q-link pendant. Just to see what´s more effective. Some people swear by it and funnily enough "vegetable police" might have found the cause for his year long health issues https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMQr1qk6TX0. Imagine if "just" EMF is the main cause for most peoples never ending health problems. I would bet on that. Either way, so far I see not much difference by wearing the q-link. For some people it can take some weeks and some feel great right away. I´ll wear it for around a month, only then can I say that Shungite is better. I did notice however that recently I put another q-link (beside the one I am wearing) on my laptop and after some time I felt really shitty in front of my laptop. My vains started to pop out of my fingers and I felt very uncomfortable. I´m not sure what that means but I won´t do that again and just stick to the q-link necklace that I wear.  I am also waiting for some additional shungite protection "stuff" that I am very curious about.

I also decided to change my diet. Keto did not work. I felt weird at times, had no energy for so long, didn´t gain weight and sometimes got super tired after eating some cooked carbs (such as tomatoes). So I decided to eat more carbs and I couldn´t care less about counting them. I got fed up of the restrictions, that brought me to nowhere. Meat wise not much changed, although I eat more wild game now, but I decided to add acidic raw fruits that don´t have too many carbs, have a low GI and not too high oxalates. That would be kiwi, plums, green apples, and of course berries. I also found a brand that does low temp coconut butter, which initially I found way to sweet and now I can eat it with no disgust, but I think I need to be a bit careful with it. And I worked myself up on bee pollen. 1 tablespoon a day.

I also have completely cut out dark chocolate. Even just one piece almost made me vomit and gave me stomachache and headache. It´s funny how you gorge on one thing for so long, then the next day you can´t stand it. I even started to crave raw dairy. Which is a problem for me after all the knowledge I gained about it, mostly the downside of it. I would say I am very much against it. But I decided that I listen to my body and drank it cold, and it felt very good. One strange thing I noticed though is that when I drink organic raw milk I did not feel good, but when I drank the non organic one it´s fine. The milk comes from the same indigenous breed (so no A1), so that can´t be it. It could be the chemicals they use to clean the milk machine (in the organic one), or it could be something very speculative, the area it comes from. Maybe you should drink raw milk from the area you live, because the microbiome of that area is in the pasture is what your body is used to? I don´t know, that was just a though. It is said that for bee pollen this is what you should do. Maybe the same counts for milk.

After adding more carbs great things happened, first my dental decay got better, then I started to train again after many months, and I started to gain weight (which is kinda obvious). I don´t go crazy on carbs though. I do eat max one piece of fruit, maybe some berries and the coconut butter. And some saurkraut, tomatoes and such sub acid things. Veggie wise I stay low carb, I just feel that the raw fruit is helping against candida. Previously seen as "the enemy" I see raw acidic fruits now as helpers. So the conclusion so far is that EMF is the main issue, keto might not be a too good idea on candida (i´m not the only one that things that way), that I should listen more to my body rather than restricting myself and that just raw milk (no altered products such as cheese, butter, cream or kefir) might have some benefits. 
Title: Re: Just one more thing to be completely healed
Post by: political atheist on October 25, 2020, 05:08:04 pm
I am aware of the connection between heavy metals and candida, and I never tried the 3 you mentioned, although I know about them. But I got fed up of experimenting. I decided to stop all supplements and "extras", also finished the herbs I had, although they clearly made a difference, but I decided to put my focus on food and EMF. The shungite pendant I have definitely helped me, but I recently took it off since I got a q-link pendant. Just to see what´s more effective. Some people swear by it and funnily enough "vegetable police" might have found the cause for his year long health issues https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMQr1qk6TX0. Imagine if "just" EMF is the main cause for most peoples never ending health problems. I would bet on that. Either way, so far I see not much difference by wearing the q-link. For some people it can take some weeks and some feel great right away. I´ll wear it for around a month, only then can I say that Shungite is better. I did notice however that recently I put another q-link (beside the one I am wearing) on my laptop and after some time I felt really shitty in front of my laptop. My vains started to pop out of my fingers and I felt very uncomfortable. I´m not sure what that means but I won´t do that again and just stick to the q-link necklace that I wear.  I am also waiting for some additional shungite protection "stuff" that I am very curious about.

I also decided to change my diet. Keto did not work. I felt weird at times, had no energy for so long, didn´t gain weight and sometimes got super tired after eating some cooked carbs (such as tomatoes). So I decided to eat more carbs and I couldn´t care less about counting them. I got fed up of the restrictions, that brought me to nowhere. Meat wise not much changed, although I eat more wild game now, but I decided to add acidic raw fruits that don´t have too many carbs, have a low GI and not too high oxalates. That would be kiwi, plums, green apples, and of course berries. I also found a brand that does low temp coconut butter, which initially I found way to sweet and now I can eat it with no disgust, but I think I need to be a bit careful with it. And I worked myself up on bee pollen. 1 tablespoon a day.

I also have completely cut out dark chocolate. Even just one piece almost made me vomit and gave me stomachache and headache. It´s funny how you gorge on one thing for so long, then the next day you can´t stand it. I even started to crave raw dairy. Which is a problem for me after all the knowledge I gained about it, mostly the downside of it. I would say I am very much against it. But I decided that I listen to my body and drank it cold, and it felt very good. One strange thing I noticed though is that when I drink organic raw milk I did not feel good, but when I drank the non organic one it´s fine. The milk comes from the same indigenous breed (so no A1), so that can´t be it. It could be the chemicals they use to clean the milk machine (in the organic one), or it could be something very speculative, the area it comes from. Maybe you should drink raw milk from the area you live, because the microbiome of that area is in the pasture is what your body is used to? I don´t know, that was just a though. It is said that for bee pollen this is what you should do. Maybe the same counts for milk.

After adding more carbs great things happened, first my dental decay got better, then I started to train again after many months, and I started to gain weight (which is kinda obvious). I don´t go crazy on carbs though. I do eat max one piece of fruit, maybe some berries and the coconut butter. And some saurkraut, tomatoes and such sub acid things. Veggie wise I stay low carb, I just feel that the raw fruit is helping against candida. Previously seen as "the enemy" I see raw acidic fruits now as helpers. So the conclusion so far is that EMF is the main issue, keto might not be a too good idea on candida (i´m not the only one that things that way), that I should listen more to my body rather than restricting myself and that just raw milk (no altered products such as cheese, butter, cream or kefir) might have some benefits.

What is your conclusion with the q-link thing?
Title: Re: Just one more thing to be completely healed
Post by: norawnofun on October 27, 2020, 03:47:28 am
I am wearing the Q-Link since several months and my conclusion is that it does make me less anxious in front of EMF sources. I tried to switch for a day to the shungite pendant, but my feeling was that I should revert back. Since I have it I also don´t feel that shitty anymore driving a car (which, if you measure the EMF inside, can be a driving antenna), being in front of the oven/cooker while being switched on, and being in front of the computer. I do have shungite magnets and stickers on these electronic devices/Wifi router and electric hobs as well, as I am the only one in the household wearing it and I do want to protect others. I also calmed down a lot since wearing it. My aggressive behavior, when let´s say the oven was turned on was no longer bearable for me and others, so I needed a solution. Needless to say I though to myself that it could just be in my head, but after several observations I can say it´s not. Besides, EMF is real and can cause proven damage, that´s not something that you just "put in your head". Certainly people that have no health issues might not feel EMF at all, or just don´t notice it, but if you have problems then it can effect you a lot.