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Title: Jack Lalanne
Post by: instant on October 02, 2009, 11:13:41 pm
I been looking into this guy for a little while now after coming accross some of his old youtube channels, the guy is 95 years old and is great shape.... I know he recommends raw foods and or undercooked foods. He is also a huge fan of supplements; i found this. But it seems he mostly is really into exercise.. he thinks exercise is king. It seems wise to really take some of his advice, he's doing what seems to be working and his voice should really be heard more.

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Lalanne reports that he usually takes about 30 liver tablets per day but during the week before his big events he would take as many as 200 liver tablets per day.


But mainly, I have about 400 vitamin supplements for breakfast right after I work out.

I put them in a blender and make a high-protein drink. I use a quart of carrot and celery juice, half and half, then put in two heaping tablespoons of wheat germ, two more of nonfat-milk solids, two more of high-strain brewers' yeast, then a heaping tablespoon of bone meal and a banana. Then I put in 100 liver-yeast tablets, 15,000 milligrams of vitamin C, 2000 units of B, some boron and some zinc; also 75 alfalfa-and-kelp tablets. Then I blend it and drink it. It's one of the worst-tasting health drinks you could have, but I still drink it, because it's the perfect breakfast. It's got about 40 grams of protein, all the B-complex vitamins, everything that's natural from the carrot and celery juices, the enzymes, the trace elements, calcium and potassium from the bone meal. And it's very low in calories. After you work out like me, you're not hungry; you're thirsty.
http://www.playboy.co.uk/life-and-st...Jack-La-Lanne/
Title: Re: Jack Lalanne
Post by: djr_81 on October 02, 2009, 11:40:04 pm
But mainly, I have about 400 vitamin supplements for breakfast right after I work out.

Talk about excessive. :o
Title: Re: Jack Lalanne
Post by: SkinnyDevil on October 02, 2009, 11:52:41 pm
Funny you should mention this. He came up in conversation earlier today...the guy did 1033 pushups for his birthday when he was in his early 40s (world record) and a couple of years later did 1000 jumping jacks (the exercise named after him) and 1000 chinups in under 90 minutes (another world record).

He has been talking about "eating food in their natural state" for years.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEboAJf9UVc
Title: Re: Jack Lalanne
Post by: DeadRamones on October 03, 2009, 01:34:11 am
Maybe the vitamins are for endorsement purposes.
Title: Re: Jack Lalanne
Post by: instant on October 03, 2009, 02:26:38 am
hmm i doubt it,, there was a video from him in the 50's saying he pops about 100 pills a day...

he claims hes been taking supplements since he was 15 years old
Title: Re: Jack Lalanne
Post by: TylerDurden on October 03, 2009, 04:40:06 pm
I don't think this is the right forum for this topic. I mean the guy takes humungous supplements and seems to be a raw vegan/fruitarian for the most part with some cooked animal food. No mention of raw meat-eating. Plus, he made  1 rather dubious quote re nutrition:-" If it tastes good, spit it out" - though he also said "if man made it, don't eat it".

*Moving to the hot topics forum*
Title: Re: Jack Lalanne
Post by: SkinnyDevil on October 03, 2009, 08:58:46 pm
Plus, he made  1 rather dubious quote re nutrition:-" If it tastes good, spit it out"

I don;t see a problem with that statement when you consider the standard modern diet. Whether raw vegan or raw paleo or even just run of the mill "health foods", most of it doesn;t taste good to folks who have been eating Big Macs and drinking Diet Coke for years.
Title: Re: Jack Lalanne
Post by: PaleoPhil on October 04, 2009, 02:31:28 am
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he would take as many as 200 liver tablets per day.
Good heavens. Maybe it's not as easy to get vitamin A toxicity from liver as some thought?
Title: Re: Jack Lalanne
Post by: instant on October 04, 2009, 11:45:06 am
UNless his tablets are very small or there so processed there basically useless?
Title: Re: Jack Lalanne
Post by: SkinnyDevil on October 04, 2009, 10:52:24 pm
Good heavens. Maybe it's not as easy to get vitamin A toxicity from liver as some thought?

I don;t think there is any such thing as vitamin A toxicity when you get your A from natural sources. Please correct me if I'm mistaken on this, but...
Title: Re: Jack Lalanne
Post by: TylerDurden on October 04, 2009, 11:01:36 pm
I don;t think there is any such thing as vitamin A toxicity when you get your A from natural sources. Please correct me if I'm mistaken on this, but...

It's rumoured that eating too much polar bear liver or seal liver will kill you
Title: Re: Jack Lalanne
Post by: PaleoPhil on October 05, 2009, 04:59:29 am
I know you can get it from the livers of polar bears and some other creatures. People have died from it.
Title: Re: Jack Lalanne
Post by: DeadRamones on October 05, 2009, 08:24:03 pm
I read scurvy was caused by to much liver consumption. Was cured when sailors were given lemon/lime. So scurvy can be argued that it was a Vit A & C imbalance.
Title: Re: Jack Lalanne
Post by: Alan on September 06, 2010, 07:33:51 am
>> read scurvy was caused by to much liver consumption. Was cured when sailors were given lemon/lime. So scurvy can be 
>> argued that it was a Vit A & C imbalance


Dr  KGH  (paleonu.com)  states that C is only needed in tiny quantities in a non-Carb diet.  Carbs compete to bind to the same intra-cell receptors that Ascorbic Acid does; and they do so preferentially. British Sailors of centuries past got scurvy at sea only because they were eating high-Carb rations
Title: Re: Jack Lalanne
Post by: sabertooth on September 06, 2010, 12:28:37 pm
yes sailors ate moldy biscuits and got scurvy, If they only ate raw fish skin and organs(like the Eskimos) they would of been fine, instead they had to go to the the ends of the earth to get suck on lemons in order to survive on rancid starch food
Title: Re: Jack Lalanne
Post by: Brother on September 06, 2010, 11:19:46 pm
Jack is a body culture frontrunner and deserve a lot of credit. He started out as a sickly kid with enormous acne problems and he was so weak he did not participate in sports. his nutritional view was heavily influenced by Paul Bragg and Bernarr McFadden. They must have been doing something right as Bragg died at age 96....from a surfing accident. When he was bodybuilding he ate beef and even drank blood together with Armand Tanny. Later he reverted to vegetarianism but included fish and eggs for protein. I dont know if that is still the case. Guy looked good!

(http://www.raw-food-repair.com/images/jack-lalanne.jpg)
Title: Re: Jack Lalanne
Post by: raw-al on September 07, 2010, 02:41:39 am
The early settlers in North America (French in Nova Scotia) developed scurvy and the natives told them to eat the sap from (I believe) one of the softwood trees, maybe spruce. Thus spruce gum. Lemons and limes lived in Nova Scotia maybe back when the dinosaurs roamed. ;D When I was born. LOL

He's the guy that sells the juicer?
Title: Re: Jack Lalanne
Post by: Brother on September 07, 2010, 04:10:39 am
The early settlers in North America (French in Nova Scotia) developed scurvy and the natives told them to eat the sap from (I believe) one of the softwood trees, maybe spruce. Thus spruce gum. Lemons and limes lived in Nova Scotia maybe back when the dinosaurs roamed. ;D When I was born. LOL

He's the guy that sells the juicer?

Well whenever I have access to fresh birch sap, I will drink it with great pleasure. From Wiki; "The tree sap contains sugars (namely xylitol), proteins, amino acids, and enzymes."
I have no doubt in my mind that it would not take a human in the natural state many moments to figure out that this stuff, is good stuff, the first time he licked his fingers after cutting one up. If you have birch near you, the season to tap it is right now, if frost has not set in where youre at. At the break of spring and winther. Just make sure to plug the hole with a piece of branch and dont take too much from one tree at a time or you will hurt it more than necessary.

yeah, Jack is the juicer guy. But he has been a proponent of healthy eating from way before it ever got popularized by hollywood stars and looking at him even today, something tells me that he is doing something right. Ohyeah, and then this;

    * 1954 (age 40): swam the entire length of the Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco, underwater, with 140 pounds (64 kg; 10 st) of equipment, including two air tanks. A world record.
    * 1955 (age 41): swam from Alcatraz Island to Fisherman's Wharf in San Francisco while handcuffed. When interviewed afterwards he was quoted as saying that the worst thing about the ordeal was being handcuffed, which reduced his chance to Star Jump significantly.
    * 1956 (age 42): set a world record of 1,033 push-ups in 23 minutes on You Asked For It, a television program with Art Baker.
    * 1957 (age 43): swam the Golden Gate channel while towing a 2,500-pound (1,100 kg; 180 st) cabin cruiser. The swift ocean currents turned this one-mile (1.6 km) swim into a swimming distance of 6.5 miles (10.5 km).
    * 1958 (age 44): maneuvered a paddleboard nonstop from Farallon Islands to the San Francisco shore. The 30-mile (48 km) trip took 9.5 hours.
    * 1959 (age 45): did 1,000 star jumps and 1,000 chin-ups in 1 hour, 22 minutes and The Jack LaLanne Show went nationwide.
    * 1974 (age 60): For the second time, he swam from Alcatraz Island to Fisherman's Wharf. Again, he was handcuffed, but this time he was also shackled and towed a 1,000-pound (450 kg; 71 st) boat.
    * 1975 (age 61): Repeating his performance of 21 years earlier, he again swam the entire length of the Golden Gate Bridge, underwater and handcuffed, but this time he was shackled and towed a 1,000-pound (450 kg; 71 st) boat.
    * 1976 (age 62): To commemorate the "Spirit of '76", United States Bicentennial, he swam one mile (1.6 km) in Long Beach Harbor. He was handcuffed and shackled, and he towed 13 boats (representing the 13 original colonies) containing 76 people.
    * 1979 (age 65): towed 65 boats in Lake Ashinoko, near Tokyo, Japan. He was handcuffed and shackled, and the boats were filled with 6,500 pounds (2,900 kg; 460 st) of Louisiana Pacific wood pulp.[19]
    * 1980 (age 66): towed 10 boats in North Miami, Florida. The boats carried 77 people, and he towed them for over one mile (1.6 km) in less than one hour.
    * 1984 (age 70): Once again handcuffed and shackled, he fought strong winds and currents as he swam 1.5 miles (2.4 km) while towing 70 boats with 70 people from the Queensway Bay Bridge in the Long Beach Harbor to the Queen Mary.


The guy is a Houdini (or nuts) no less amazing than the real one. 
Title: Re: Jack Lalanne
Post by: raw-al on September 07, 2010, 04:27:04 am
Brother,
I was getting exhausted just reading all of that about Jack. I guess I really don't know Jack.... Boom paddy ding  :P

A # of years ago a buddy of mine had a Mother Earth Magazine that had an article on tapping birch trees in Russia. (pre-internet) Long story, but we decided to try it because Labrador has no Maple trees (too far north)
Anyways we tapped and boiled it down to make syrup. Eventually we went to using freezing to concentrate it which was easier and less likely of disaster. If you boiled it down the house turned into a sauna, not good for conjugal bliss and if it boiled down too much it would burn. We're talking 60 gallons of sap to make 1 gallon of syrup. That's a lotta haulin' buckets and boilin'. We lived at a hydroelectric power project (largest underground hydroelectric powerhouse in the world) so electricity was free.

Anyhooo the stuff carmelized when boiled and came out somewhat like molasses but when rendered by freezing was a nice sweetener for tea. Diuretic and used by the natives for kidney stones.
Maybe I'll get some again.

In Russia apparently they destroyed a lot of trees by overdoing it.
Title: Re: Jack Lalanne
Post by: Brother on September 07, 2010, 04:43:05 am
Anyhooo the stuff carmelized when boiled and came out somewhat like molasses but when rendered by freezing was a nice sweetener for tea. Diuretic and used by the natives for kidney stones.Maybe I'll get some again.

In Russia apparently they destroyed a lot of trees by overdoing it.

You dont need to do anything to the birch sap. If you do it right and at the right time for whatever species you have avaible, you can practically drink it from the tree. Tates like sugarwater. So a couple of strawberries in there, a quick stir and a couple of cubes and you have a really nice treat :)

Typical for our species to deplete the resources without though. For the brightest animal on the planet we are acting pretty stupid.
Title: Re: Jack Lalanne
Post by: raw-al on September 07, 2010, 06:35:32 am
You dont need to do anything to the birch sap. If you do it right and at the right time for whatever species you have avaible, you can practically drink it from the tree. Tates like sugarwater. So a couple of strawberries in there, a quick stir and a couple of cubes and you have a really nice treat :)

Typical for our species to deplete the resources without though. For the brightest animal on the planet we are acting pretty stupid.
I hear ya. I will try that. For anyone else who wants to try tapping, you get a stick of some kind, drill a hole in the center or slice it in half then drill a hole in the tree on an angle upward, then simply push the stick in and catch the sap when it pours out. After finished, make absolutely sure you put a snug plug into the hole so it won't leak and kill the tree. Sap is like blood to the tree.
Title: Re: Jack Lalanne
Post by: personman on April 10, 2012, 08:23:06 am
Jack Lalanne was a 33 degree mason. He worshipped Lucifer and was an advocate for global fascist government.
Title: Re: Jack Lalanne
Post by: cobalamin on April 22, 2012, 04:22:11 am
Jack LaLanne: In those days everybody was saying that you had to eat meat to build muscle, so I went on a meat thing for awhile. NowI only eat fish--no chicken, no turkey, just fish. I get all my protein from fish and egg whites.
Source: http://www.shareguide.com/LaLanne.html (http://www.shareguide.com/LaLanne.html)

From what he said. It seems like he ate a very anti-inflammatory diet. Fish, ripe fruits and vegetables.
Title: Re: Jack Lalanne
Post by: TylerDurden on April 22, 2012, 09:35:26 am
Jack Lalanne was a 33 degree mason. He worshipped Lucifer and was an advocate for global fascist government.
What evidence do you have re this claim?
Title: Re: Jack Lalanne
Post by: sabertooth on April 22, 2012, 08:19:15 pm
http://scottishrite.org/journal/march-april-2011/ci-lalanne-1914%E2%80%932011/ (http://scottishrite.org/journal/march-april-2011/ci-lalanne-1914%E2%80%932011/)
Apparently he was only a 32 degree mason.
Title: Re: Jack Lalanne
Post by: personman on April 23, 2012, 03:12:19 am
He still worshipped lucifer like all freemasons at high degrees. Is he then a trustworthy source??
Title: Re: Jack Lalanne
Post by: cobalamin on April 23, 2012, 04:44:30 am
He still worshipped lucifer like all freemasons at high degrees. Is he then a trustworthy source??

What is the difference between those that worship Lucifer and those that wrote the bible based on what is God? How can you tell who is correct? Nobody can. For all we know, Lucifer could be God and the God the majority worship could be the devil.

Freemasonry is just a private club. I can make a private club tomorrow and not invite you because I don't see you fit for it. No point being jealous about it.

Look at the physical and psychological health of those that follow religions. Now look at the psychological and physical health of Jack Lalanne that worshipped Lucifer as you say. Jack Lalanne is a trustworthy source, he has spoken a lot of wisdom and TRUTH. He has been saying for years how much garbage people eat; did anybody listen? Its not like he kept the truth to himself and watched people suffer. The problem with society is that nobody wants to hear the truth!

Anyone that puts Jack Lalanne down should go put their head back under the sand.  ;)
Title: Re: Jack Lalanne
Post by: sabertooth on April 23, 2012, 08:03:47 am


The problem with society is that nobody wants to hear the truth!




I don't see being labeled an admirer of Lucifer as being negative. The light bearer is a mythical being, whose story was meant to scare the masses into blindly serving an other mythical being( The almighty God)

I could see how some people or groups of people like the free masons would admire the spirit, wisdom and beauty of Lucifer and wish to rebel{ as Satan had done} against the mythical God Almighty.  Devil worshiping practices may have liberated the early masons from the crippling theology of Christianity. People were so brainwashed from bible reading during the early days of the free masons, that the theme of mans liberation from God had to be told in the context of the story of Lucifer. I  see  the free masons using the image of the light bearer to make their club look more appealing to the disenfranchised intelligentsia counter culture of their day.

In short, Lucifer is to Free masons as Santa Clause is to today's contemporary Christians, just a mostly symbolic remnant of the old religion not meant to be taken too literally.
Title: Re: Jack Lalanne
Post by: personman on April 25, 2012, 07:19:48 am
freemasons involve themselves in child sacrifice and are behind the plot to depopulate the world by 90%. Freemasonry is an evil cult(evil defined as willingness to harm others"). I am no christian my friend.
Title: Re: Jack Lalanne
Post by: sabertooth on April 26, 2012, 08:39:17 pm
Its not just free masons that are evil.

Among many very different groups of people who have held position of power throughout history, there have been individuals who commit atrocity. There are extremist in every type of religion. Some satanist are into human sacrifice, but that doesn't mean Jacks worshiping of Lucifer is in anyway related to child murder. Lucifer was the angle of light and only later was he interpreted as a murderous blood thirsty demon.

The inquisition for example, was conducted by Christians. That doesn't mean that the followers of Christ at that time were  all guilty of such crimes. So it is that most of the free masons don't condone child sacrifice. Although I do admit that in general they may be a heartless bunch.

Perhaps I speak from the narrowness of my own experience with people who claim to be satanist. Most of the devil worshipers I have met are the type of Gothic antisocial misanthropes that read the satanic bible and preform rituals without the need for human sacrifice. They seem for the most part harmless lost souls.
Title: Re: Jack Lalanne
Post by: Ferocious on April 27, 2012, 01:09:03 am
While I think it's stupid to call yourself Satanist, it's a very misleading title because of how people view the title Satan. Satan is actually not associated with any kind of "evil". That is just what Christians are taught. But any unbiased, reasonable person would consider Satan to be "good". In my opinion, the Bible is evil, because of what is condoned in it. To me, God is "evil". I don't understand why someone could consider Satanists(at least the real ones) or Satan, evil.

Lucifer and Satan are not the same thing. Lucifer is only mentioned once in one version of the Bible and it only refers to a fallen human king. He is not the same as the being or beings associated with the title Satan. Someone that worships "Lucifer" doesn't know who they are worshiping.

Also, sabertooth, no one that reads the Satanic Bible worships the devil. They don't even believe in the devil as an actual being, and are actually atheists. They only believe in what the devil represents, which is not evil things like everyone is taught that Satan represents.

But of course, good and evil are subjective and don't exist in the first place.
Title: Re: Jack Lalanne
Post by: TylerDurden on April 27, 2012, 01:30:12 am
True, the Old Testament, if not the New Testament, is full of evil. All about God promoting genocide, treachery etc. I have never understood the attraction of monotheism with a vain, dictatorial god who has to be worshipped devoutly or you'll go to hell. Other religions are a lot saner, such as animism and Buddhism and pagan pre-Christian religions like the Norse and Celtic ones. Animism seems the most humane of them all, I think, and more practical.
Title: Re: Jack Lalanne
Post by: Ferocious on April 27, 2012, 02:17:13 am
True, the Old Testament, if not the New Testament, is full of evil. All about God promoting genocide, treachery etc. I have never understood the attraction of monotheism with a vain, dictatorial god who has to be worshipped devoutly or you'll go to hell. Other religions are a lot saner, such as animism and Buddhism and pagan pre-Christian religions like the Norse and Celtic ones. Animism seems the most humane of them all, I think, and more practical.

The New Testament is bad too, just not as bloody. Oh, God promotes many horrible things, including raping preteen virgin girls and slaughtering children, among many other things. I could never understand why someone would consider someone that opposes that as "evil".

Yes, I don't understand either. I would not want to worship anyone or anything that demands to be worshiped and sets all these rules, yet doesn't explain why these rules need to be followed, or why it's wrong to break them. Why they exist in the first place?

Satan is not even a being, it's a title given to more than one individual. It's simply one that opposes. It was wrongly capitalized in the English versions to seem like it's a name, but it's obviously not a name. There is no such thing as Satan, according to the Bible.

Anyway, I don't want to hijack this thread because I know this is not the exact topic of the thread. Was just sharing my thoughts because many people believe things that were never even in the Bible!
Title: Re: Jack Lalanne
Post by: TylerDurden on April 27, 2012, 02:33:55 am
I disagree. The New Testament is not evil. That is the character of Jesus does some amazing things. I don't just mean the benevolence, but also his way of tricking the Pharisees("render unto god what is due to go etc.") but also his volence against the moneylenders. I still think that we would have all been far better off if the 3 Abrahamic religions had never been invented, but Jesus is the only good aspect of the lot.
Title: Re: Jack Lalanne
Post by: personman on April 27, 2012, 07:01:53 am
AGREED. THE MONEYLENDERS ARE IN THE TEMPLE. JESUS AS AN ETHICAL FIGURE SERVES A GOOD EXAMPLE FOR THE SHEOPLE BUT...ANTI-NATURAL MORALITY AT ITS FINEST....YET...RATIONAL IN ORCHASTRATING A KINGDOM OF HEAVEN ON EARTH....BETTER MAYBE THAN A NEO-FEUDALISM UNDER THE NWO.....MAYBE
Title: Re: Jack Lalanne
Post by: sabertooth on April 27, 2012, 09:13:14 pm




Satan is not even a being, it's a title given to more than one individual. It's simply one that opposes. It was wrongly capitalized in the English versions to seem like it's a name, but it's obviously not a name. There is no such thing as Satan, according to the Bible.



I agree with this. My earlier run ins with satanist basically was confined to Gothic kids who dabbled in an eclectic occult of satanism and neo paganism. I dont know anyone who is loony enough to call themselves an outright satanist.

I wonder since satanist are atheist then isn't the whole opposing God religion kind of futile anyway.

Actually the biblical definition of Satan as being one who opposes, seems to define much of my own beliefs as satanic.

I belong to Universalist Unitarian church and have adopted the basic UU principles in regards to views on religion. They believe that all religious belief as well as disbelief has some value from a humanistic perspective. Humans as well as all life forms are interconnected in a universal web of existence. God is to big to fit into any one religious concept , the scope of human existence is to wide to be subjected to a single dogma.

From a biblical perspective our church is Satanic.

 
Title: Re: Jack Lalanne
Post by: Ferocious on April 27, 2012, 10:46:12 pm
I agree with this. My earlier run ins with satanist basically was confined to Gothic kids who dabbled in an eclectic occult of satanism and neo paganism. I dont know anyone who is loony enough to call themselves an outright satanist.

I wonder since satanist are atheist then isn't the whole opposing God religion kind of futile anyway.

Actually the biblical definition of Satan as being one who opposes, seems to define much of my own beliefs as satanic.

I belong to Universalist Unitarian church and have adopted the basic UU principles in regards to views on religion. They believe that all religious belief as well as disbelief has some value from a humanistic perspective. Humans as well as all life forms are interconnected in a universal web of existence. God is to big to fit into any one religious concept , the scope of human existence is to wide to be subjected to a single dogma.

From a biblical perspective our church is Satanic.

 
Yeah, I think calling oneself a Satanist is kind of pointless and stupid.

Technically, I am a satan (saw-tawn in Hebrew) too just because I oppose and challenge what most people just accept.

I think whatever "God" is, is already what we are and what everything around us is. It can't really be comprehended with the mind.
Title: Re: Jack Lalanne
Post by: Joy2012 on April 28, 2012, 09:36:33 am
Please read the first four books (the Four Gospels) of the New Testament carefully and you will see Jesus reveals God's heart of love and compassion to the whole world.  It is to a man's infinite loss when he chooses to refuse God's offer of love and help.
Title: Re: Jack Lalanne
Post by: sabertooth on April 28, 2012, 02:05:59 pm
The love of Jesus may be real, but I despise the Idea that somehow the murder of Christ somehow is suppose save us from our sins. The Unitarians view Christ as a man of love and a profit, but he is not Gods only Son, he was a just a man. His murder was a horrible event, but it does not signify any thing such as the Bible professes.

Its up to each person to cultivate their own love and compassion for the world. If that to you personally means following the Gospels and believing in its God then I wish you all the blessings in the world.
Title: Re: Jack Lalanne
Post by: Joy2012 on April 28, 2012, 03:13:41 pm
The love of Jesus may be real, but I despise the Idea that somehow the murder of Christ somehow is suppose save us from our sins. The Unitarians view Christ as a man of love and a profit, but he is not Gods only Son, he was a just a man. His murder was a horrible event, but it does not signify any thing such as the Bible professes.

Its up to each person to cultivate their own love and compassion for the world. If that to you personally means following the Gospels and believing in its God then I wish you all the blessings in the world.

If one day you find your love and compassion fall far short of your own personal ideal...or if you fall into deep depression and no one offers you the kind of love and compassion that even partially satisfy your heart,  then I invite you to re-consider God's invitation to receive His love and compassion.

God's infinite love/compassion is made available to everyone in the whole world--all because Jesus Christ died for our sins on the Cross and thus forever secures forgiveness for all sins--but only to those who willingly accept God' s love and compassion....God requires this "willingness" because He respects each person's free will....because mankind is the most noble and dignified and magnificent creation among God's creations...so each person is given free will--to choose everlasting bliss or the contrary.

I have had a personal relationship with Jesus Christ for 20+ years. It has been a love story from DAY 1. And it is getting richer every year. He is alive in my life every day.

"No eye has seen,
no ear has heard,
no mind has conceived,
what God has prepared for those who love Him..." (1 Corinthians 2, from the Bible)
Title: Re: Jack Lalanne
Post by: Ferocious on April 28, 2012, 09:52:13 pm
If one day you find your love and compassion fall far short of your own personal ideal...or if you fall into deep depression and no one offers you the kind of love and compassion that even partially satisfy your heart,  then I invite you to re-consider God's invitation to receive His love and compassion.

God's infinite love/compassion is made available to everyone in the whole world--all because Jesus Christ died for our sins on the Cross and thus forever secures forgiveness for all sins--but only to those who willingly accept God' s love and compassion....God requires this "willingness" because He respects each person's free will....because mankind is the most noble and dignified and magnificent creation among God's creations...so each person is given free will--to choose everlasting bliss or the contrary.

I have had a personal relationship with Jesus Christ for 20+ years. It has been a love story from DAY 1. And it is getting richer every year. He is alive in my life every day.

"No eye has seen,
no ear has heard,
no mind has conceived,
what God has prepared for those who love Him..." (1 Corinthians 2, from the Bible)
Hahaha, free will???

So I have the free will to choose to worship God or suffer everlasting fire?
Title: Re: Jack Lalanne
Post by: Joy2012 on April 29, 2012, 03:52:04 pm
Ferocious, yes and no.

My understanding is that God the Father is inviting you to become one of the eternal companions of God the Son (Jesus Christ) and to be Jesus’ little brother. God created us to become His big Family, to enjoy His infinite love and riches throughout eternity.
I believe that if the Gospel message could be explained clearly with the echoes of heaven, everyone would rush to grasp it.

God’s purpose for sending Jesus Christ into the world (to be crucified on the Cross for all men's sins) is not to condemn us, but to save/bless us. Every thought of God towards you (as a unique individual person) is for good and not for evil, because you were created in the likeness of God and God loves you with infinite love.

I think the most misunderstood person in the whole universe is God. Even after 20+ years of relationship, I am still discovering new facets of God’ s heart which is good beyond my wildest imagination.
Title: Re: Jack Lalanne
Post by: Dorothy on April 30, 2012, 04:00:40 am
Ferocious, yes and no.

My understanding is that God the Father is inviting you to become one of the eternal companions of God the Son (Jesus Christ) and to be Jesus’ little brother. God created us to become His big Family, to enjoy His infinite love and riches throughout eternity.
I believe that if the Gospel message could be explained clearly with the echoes of heaven, everyone would rush to grasp it.

God’s purpose for sending Jesus Christ into the world (to be crucified on the Cross for all men's sins) is not to condemn us, but to save/bless us. Every thought of God towards you (as a unique individual person) is for good and not for evil, because you were created in the likeness of God and God loves you with infinite love.

I think the most misunderstood person in the whole universe is God. Even after 20+ years of relationship, I am still discovering new facets of God’ s heart which is good beyond my wildest imagination.


You say God is my father and Jesus is my brother and God is offering to make me part of his family - but what kind of family has a father and son and no mother? If God is my father then as a woman I'm not in his likeness. Where's my mother in this paradigm?

Patriarchial conceptions like these are so alienating for me as modern woman.

If anything I need a good mother to show me love and compassion not some guy sitting up on the clouds that kills off my brother because of me.

Ok - I get all the mythical aspects and I'm a big fan of Joseph Campbell and I know you might be speaking metaphorically - at least I HOPE you are!  But even metaphorically I just can't relate to these gods you are speaking of.

Title: Re: Jack Lalanne
Post by: Dorothy on April 30, 2012, 04:04:28 am
I belong to Universalist Unitarian church and have adopted the basic UU principles in regards to views on religion. They believe that all religious belief as well as disbelief has some value from a humanistic perspective. Humans as well as all life forms are interconnected in a universal web of existence. God is to big to fit into any one religious concept , the scope of human existence is to wide to be subjected to a single dogma.
 

You've convinced me Sabertooth to check out the Universalist church. I've always felt that I was missing out on the positive side of belonging to a church in the community building sense - and if that is the basic belief system - I would like to meet more people that think that way.
Title: Re: Jack Lalanne
Post by: sabertooth on April 30, 2012, 07:28:58 am
The UU Church I attend as been a blessing to me and my family. The grounds are beautiful and the main church is a do-decagon that is kind of shaped like a space ship. The reverend is a woman who writes sermons based on eclecticism from all walks of life. She is a big fan of Wendell Berry who is a Kentucky native that is an advocate for a simpler life and sustainable living. People of all walks of life and belife are allowed to participate.

There is a man who is part of the pagan group who dedicated a whole service to explaining the nature of man and his development from his roots as hunter-gatherers. He explained how our minds and bodies where designed by nature in order to be successful persistence hunters.

Then there was a homily on valentines day about how we are wired biologically to need friendship and how basic positive human interactions are essential for happiness. Even Darwin himself valued the development of personal friendships above all other accomplishments.

The church sits on a historic farm with a house on it that was built by one of the original settlers of the area. People have been gathering for spiritual discussion in that house for about two hundred years. The whole grounds radiates healing energy, and I began going there at the same time I transitioned int the raw diet.

The child's religious exploration education program at our church is by far the best thing ever. There is usually a spirit play story time, where stories are acted out using objects and symbols. I got to act out the story of Stella Luna recently.  The each story tells a lesson that relates to the 7 basic principles of Unitarian Universalism . Much of themes are nature oriented. My children seem to like the whole experience .

There is a of building a community that the members chose to participate in. Much of it is Humanistic and has nothing to do with God or religion. We have been rehearsing for the last three weeks with the music director to sing songs. We are lerning"We are the world"  with hand signals and everything.


We are the world, we are the children
We are the ones who make a brighter day
So lets start giving
There's a choice we're making
We're saving our own lives
Its true we'll make a better day
Just you and me
Title: Re: Jack Lalanne
Post by: Dorothy on April 30, 2012, 07:58:42 am
If the church here is anything at all like your church Sabertooth - I'm sold. Your post made me tear up a little. It sounds simply lovely.
Title: Re: Jack Lalanne
Post by: svrn on May 03, 2012, 05:30:45 am
He still worshipped lucifer like all freemasons at high degrees. Is he then a trustworthy source??

Theres nothing wrong with worshiping lucifer. There is a good lucifer and an evil lucifer so someone worshiping him may be good or evil. Lucifer is simply the lightbearer and bringer of knowledge to humans. Prometheus for example is the good lucifer. He gave us fire and got punished for it.

Theres definitly something to the freemasonry being involved in world government but I believe that to say every mason is evil would be inaccurate although many high ranking masons definitly do use it for evil.

Title: Re: Jack Lalanne
Post by: personman on May 03, 2012, 07:03:29 am
so far as I have been (mis) informed, the condition to 'level-up' in the freemasonic hierarchy is child sacrifice. I might be wrong but have heard that those lower levels in the 'blue degrees'(amongst whom Jack WASN'T) are largely ignorant of the meaning of freemasonry but those beyond have this as part o their initiation rite. The oncept of a lucifer, a man-god type superman(ubermensch) is all well and good so long as it doesn't lead to a neo-feudalism that throws the orbit of the social world into chaos and famine and nuclear holocaust so the superclass can take over from the ashes....
Title: Re: Jack Lalanne
Post by: svrn on May 03, 2012, 01:19:54 pm
What you said here is true. What we need to realize though is the child rapists and sacrificers are a small minority in freemasonry. We must also not forget that these people have been caught in the catholic church and in lots of synagogues and pretty much every religion at the top. Where there is power there are child sacrificing pedophiles.