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Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: Weaning
« on: November 01, 2009, 12:14:54 pm »
    Were there any particular studies to quote on cooked or raw liver for kids?  Cooked liver I have always found very sickening.  Raw is sweet and smooth and can get bubbly, but I don't eat it often.

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Suggestion Box / Re: More additions
« on: November 01, 2009, 04:12:02 am »
    Fermented coconut cream is great to bathe with and raw eggs clean the hair well.  Homemade beer should work for the hair too.  I never liked to drink beer, so I used to rinse my hair with it instead.  When I don't clean my face, I get more compliments.  This of course is coupled with not ingesting plant fats (although when my only plant fat was EVOO or avo from my own tree my skin fared well).  I've never used antiperspirant.  I stopped conditioning my hair before I started RAF, but occasionally I use a little fermented coconut cream, and it softens it.   

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General Discussion / Re: RAF seems unnerving to mother.
« on: November 01, 2009, 03:58:28 am »
..., if I recall correctly from my past research (although dairy is strongly linked too--so if you add cheese to the spaghetti you give yourself a double-whammy).

    I had been thinking of asking if there was a sauce with it.  Cooked tomato sauce should make the acne worse.  There's always blended extra virgin olive oil (EVOO), pignolias, spinach, basil and garlic, as pesto or just EVOO alone, maybe with some fine gray Celtic salt skipping the green, perhaps adding raw salt or oil cured olives.  The cheese people normally put on spaghetti is traditionally oversalted too, but at least raw most of the time. 

    My kid had acne and it went away by giving up organic dairy yogurt (wasn't really eating other dairy).

    Wheat was the first grain I really needed to give up, but everybody's different IMO.

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Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: Weaning
« on: November 01, 2009, 03:44:01 am »
I doubt it's necessary to pre-chew the food, as that would be rather time consuming. ... Ray fed his son pemmican after only a year without pre-chewing it.

    I pre-chewed all pemmican that afterward I gave to my cats and they ate, but that's another story.  They're picky about new foods, and more likely to try them if they see I deem them tasty.  Might work for a baby too; I never thought of it. 

    Pemmican fat isn't raw, but if it works for the baby's health; go for it!

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Off Topic / Re: Bee pollen, yay or nay?
« on: October 31, 2009, 11:03:34 am »
That said, I would feel such an instant rush of energy and a massive feeling of heat afterwards, that I didn't think it was any good. But I might be wrong. I , however, had good experiences with genuinely raw royal jelly.

    I wish I got energy from it, heat or something I could gauge.  I used it every day for a few weeks.  On rare occasion I soak it and blend it, but still never have felt a benefit.  I find it disturbing that when I use it I get seemingly hypothyroid effects.  I don't need that, it's bad for my health. 

    I've tried royal jelly too.  The first time I threw up water afterward.  I hadn't drank water.  I didn't feel bad though nor any improvement.  The dose was probably too big though.  I've tried royal jelly a bunch of times since, but never notice anything good coming from it, nor bad.

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Health / Re: edema
« on: October 31, 2009, 09:38:09 am »
    Fresh parsley, sage, watermelon rind, cucumbers and zuchini may help.



    This is a fruit that helps the kidneys.  You retaining water sounds like kidney stress to me.

    Immerse in water, better yet walk or exercise in it, and even better yet make it salt water.



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Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: Weaning
« on: October 31, 2009, 09:30:36 am »
Especially without developed teeth and jaw muscles?  Meat can be pretty tough to chew, especially raw.  Well, I realized the answer one day flipping through the channels watching a mama bird vomit up food to her young'uns.

    I'm not sure bird regurgitation is the same as bird vomit.  Their digestive system is different than ours.  I'm not saying that you mean they and humans are both the same.  I believe the Inuits chewed for elderly people as well, if necessary. 

In paleo times, a mother would have probably chewed up the food first, and then fed it to her child.  The food would easily go down, and the saliva would already have begun to break down the food.  Not only that, but I'm sure anitbodies would get passed as well.  Good luck convincing the wifey.

    If the man has trustworthy habits, he may not have breasts, but maybe he could pre-chew food. 

    Some carnivorous animals, the older members of the group eat from carcasses first, and then the youngsters eat from it after.  They also benefit from the saliva. 

    Some folivorous tree dwelling animals, the adults dwell mostly in the higher branches, while the younger ones spend their time mostly on lower branches.  As you can imagine, there is bacteria that comes with excrement that the youths eat along with the leaves, which helps colonize their digestive systems so they can assimilate nutrients better.

    I'm not saying you are a mere animal, or that we should follow one or more of their paths, but you get the point.  There can be many benefits, we don't know how many, to eating naturally.     

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General Discussion / Re: RAF seems unnerving to mother.
« on: October 31, 2009, 06:34:08 am »
At this point i'm extremely annoyed at her willful ignorance on the subject. I dont know what to do and i surely dont have any money to move out on my own at the moment. i kept telling her I wont eat the meat around her but she doesn't care.   I've been eating cooked spaghetti ever since i recovered from my sickness but more so because i dont know whether it was that time of the year or because it was due to the meat.

    You got it.  her IgnoreAnce is likely WillFull.  She is choosing to BeLieve what she's saying.  I don't think her number one intention is to be against you or against raw or anything like that, and even if it was, it probably won't help you to take what she says personally.  She may just not want to tell you her reasons out of fear.  She might be very afraid to support anything but what the government says in this.  There may be little or no way for you to allay such fears in that case.  It is sad that a mother word protect the government rather than her child, but who knows how damaged she is because of their rules or what has happened to her friends because of them?  If you can, feel sorry for her idiocy, avoid it, and do for yourself what you know is right.  Allow some boundaries.  Pushing her to agree with you might do more harm than good, not totally unlike her pushing you to agree with her is wrong.

    If she has enough to do this, maybe you can get her to take you out to a restaurant that serves some kind of raw meat. In that environment, she might even decide on her own to taste it.  That might be a first step either in her accepting the meat or accepting you.

    I hope you find a way to move out or whatever you need to do as soon as possible.  She may not realize how uncomfortable you are.

    Why spaghetti?  I know it's inexpensive and has no fiber, but just curious as to what you say.

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General Discussion / Re: Vegetarians are really Starchitarians!
« on: October 30, 2009, 04:14:35 pm »
Listen to Dr. Moo Twahz and the host Patrick Timpone make fun of that fact.

http://www.oneradionetwork.com/health_-_podcasts/diet_and_nutrition/dr._moo-twahz_-_ancient_solutions_for_the_modern_world_-_october_8th_200910081323/

So today's vegetarians are actually starchitarians.

    Actually, I know one who only eats butter, honey and fruit, nothing else to eat, no starchy drinks, no bananas no starch, no grain fed food.  That isn't called vegetarianism though, is it?  Lactarian?

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Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: Weaning
« on: October 30, 2009, 02:38:02 pm »
As many of you know, I have a new 5 month old son and the time will soon be arriving when we'll be weaning him onto solids.  So far, he's purely breast-fed.  His mother is not raw or paleo but has been very co-operative with regards to her own diet and my advice throughout the pregnancy and breast-feeding period.  She's largely been following a Weston Price style diet.  I've also been ensuring that she gets plenty of raw animal foods at least in the form of whole eggs, home-made grass-fed beef jerky, jersey butter, occasional jersey cream/milk and raw fermented blue ice cod liver oil.  Fortunately, she LOVES the jerky I make so has been eating 2-3kgs per week with lots of raw jersey butter.

    I think I'd give him egg yolks, calf or lamb liver, chopmeat I'd make fresh and share with him for fun, maybe try chewing food for him and possibly a bit of cream or milk here and there. 

My son is doing incredibly well and is strong, well developed and seemingly advanced.  Of course, we also decided to eschew all vaccinations (as I did with my now 11 yr old daughter in my pre-raw days).

I'm wondering if anyone has suggestions for good early weaning foods?  Ideally, I would raise him on RAF but my partner - although accepting that RAF can be a part of his diet - also wants him to eat 'normal' food.  His diet is probably going to end up being a variation of a Price diet too with me emphasising raw meats and fats (I've been RAF for almost 9 years and now zero carb for the last few months).  I am going to be adamant that he is not fed any grains and no dairy (except, perhaps, raw butter). 


    Ok, switch that bit of cream/milk for butter.  Maybe you want to try goat butter, as the Vitamin A in it is in more usable form than cows.

I'm thinking raw egg yolks, thinly sliced raw meats & ground suet, chopped lamb liver/heart, cod liver oil, vegetable soups/purees made with homemade bone stock, etc.  What do you guys think of him eating raw meats before he has teeth (still awaiting the 1st!)?  Obviously, I'd slice it thin and chop it up small but choking may be a concern.

Any thoughts, suggestions or experiences?

Thanks,

Michael

    Cook the vegetables thoroughly.  Babies don't digest fiber well.  I have experience with undercooked vegetables.  Personally I find thinly sliced backfat nicer. 

    In other cultures they don't start grain until the teeth are in a bit.  Meat they will start earlier if the teeth come in too late.

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General Discussion / Re: Eating Egg Shells
« on: October 30, 2009, 02:20:27 pm »
I eat eggshells with the egg.  When I eat eggs, I just insert the whole egg, shell and all, into my mouth, chew and swallow.

    Are they underdeveloped eggs you get with the chicken's chest cavity?


Hey, now that's a great party trick Sully!  :o  I'm impressed!  And to think that people in the office used to be impressed when, back in my Primal Diet days, I'd crack a whole box of eggs into a glass, drink it in one gulp and chase it down with a whole pack of butter right in front of them!  They would find it so incredible that they video'd me doing it on their mobile phones to show their friends!   ;D

    I'd love to see the videos.


ooookay  :o  Let me guess, your plane crashed in the jungle and you were raised by snakes. I KNEW IT!!!

I rinse my shells, let them dry a few days and grind them to a powder in the coffee grinder. Then mix up some raw cat food, since my cat has like, no teeth to chew with  :'(

P.S. From what I've read, egg shell calcium is tops in bioavailability so if you're gonna supplement, I'd say GO EGG SHELLS!

    Has that shown any improvement in your cat's health?

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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: Feeder mice
« on: October 30, 2009, 02:14:01 pm »
I can't say that I have. I've only kept snakes to whom I'd feed them. I do hear though that some Asians put pinkies in with their wine and supposedly has some medicinal properties or health benefits. This is according to a friend from Hong Kong and another from Thailand.

Craig

    What do you mean by pinkies?

    Some people call themselves vampires and drink a little blood regularly from feeder rats when no people have made an agreement to donate blood to them.

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General Discussion / Re: Vegetarians are really Starchitarians!
« on: October 30, 2009, 05:25:25 am »
Yes. Did you have a diagnosis??What nutrient in fruit caused the problems for you??

You're upset and overly defensive.I'm trying to be open minded. What was the mechanism by which cooked pig cures inflammed intestines?

    This is a raw forum, about vegetarians actually being starchatarians, Mr/Ms Derailer.  Are you a medical establishment doctor that you demand a real diagnosis?  Fruit is far from ideal in some situations.  You would need many years on Earth to discover this, not by eating wrong but by living through life etc.  I can imagine cooking pasture raised pig bones for days and the proline and other nutrients helping heal intestines.  You've never heard of this?  You would be "defensive" too if someone came into your forum and didn't even know how to use quoting html.

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I remember reading in one of Ori Hofmekler's books about an advice to not mix nuts with honey or with carbs because it makes you fat.

You can try that (the opposite).

    I gained lean muscle years ago, when any other way I had tried before that hadn't worked, by soaking nuts, peeling them, blending them with my rejuvelac and culturing them.  Honey was allowable by that diet (Living Food LifestyleTM), but I didn't eat honey.

    I'm probably averaging daily now about four to five ounces of lean meat (buffalo, chicken, pork, fish, goat etc).  My cats eat several ounces each also.  No other human in my house touches any kind of meat.  I think I might eat more meat and feel more well if I had a larger number raw meat eaters here.

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Off Topic / Bee pollen, yay or nay?
« on: October 30, 2009, 04:31:16 am »
    I personally don't like bee pollen.  It makes my period early and heavy, and it takes me months to detox it.  What I tried was from several hundred miles away, but very good source. 

    Have you guys tried pollen?  Was it from bees or just flowers?  Was it local?  Was it good or bad for you?  Is it very unpaleo?

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Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: fermenting fruit?
« on: October 30, 2009, 04:15:13 am »
    I've fermented fruit.  Experiment! 

    Kind of like AV a little, I have some "new" stuff in a honey jar, alcohol fermented from interstitial buffalo shoulder fluid.  I'm almost afraid to taste it.  Smells like scotch whiskey or something, I'm not all that familiar with commercial alcohols.  This one I fermented here grew at room temperature.  Anyone with experience with this?

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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: Tapeworms? Salmonella?
« on: October 30, 2009, 04:03:25 am »
;D I saw it on animal planet..
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General Discussion / Re: Sashimi knife for raw meat?
« on: October 30, 2009, 03:23:10 am »
Thanks for the answers!

I agree that slicing meat when it's partly frozen is a great tip -- I've noticed that too.

To the folks who use ceramic knives, a question.   Have any of you compared your ceramic knifes to well-sharpened carbon steel knives?  The reason I ask is that every time I read about ceramic knives on websites where knife fanatics hang out, people say they aren't as sharp as well-sharpened carbon steel knives.   They say the advantage of a ceramic knife is not that it's sharper than the best steel knives, but that it keeps its edge a long time.    However I have my own sharpening equipment and I don't mind resharpening my knives as frequently as necessary, so this isn't an advantage for me.

My current knives work fine for everything else I cut.   I really only need this knife for raw meat.   Since you love your cleaver for its quality, I think probably you can appreciate why I want the Masamoto yaganabi.   Apparently white carbon steel can take a sharper edge than any other knife material.  (It also corrodes the fastest and requires the most maintenance.)

That sounds yummy, and it's interesting, maybe the same principle could be applied with other substances like salt.  Unfortunately for me, though, I don't eat sugar.

    I can respect that.  Honey probably isn't paleo anyway.  Sorry so OT, but have you tried unheated unfiltered honey in a dish combined with other raw food?  I don't normally do good with much salt of any kind.  I actually made some alcoholic thing by drawing the interstitial fluid from meat with honey.  I tend to be frugal and not throw excessive things out.  This is an exception though.  If I give it a taste, I'll tell you about it.  I'm understandably ambivalent thinking about tasting any.  I should have put this in a fermentation thread.

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Hot Topics / Re: Are we meat eaters or vegetarians ?
« on: October 30, 2009, 02:56:52 am »
I am not totally a vegetarian yet. But I stooped eating meat and other meat based products though sometimes I eat fish and egg.
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    Why are you going to become a vegetarian?  You're giving up milk, rice, honey and poultry flesh too?

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General Discussion / Re: Vegetarians are really Starchitarians!
« on: October 29, 2009, 12:39:20 pm »
Commercial fruit is traditionally picked before ripe and loses more nutrients in transit. So far you've established that commercial unripe yet old fruit is naturally mucous-cleansing but that commercial fruit is traditionally low in nutrients. This is nothing new. It helps to obtain the food fresh as long as the soil is rich.

Being 'cold' is not surprising since humans are great apes from the tropics, where much leaner relatives still reside... No morphological overhaul prevented humans from withstanding colder temps just because human explorer ancestors decided to radiate far from ecological niche of hominadea. To solve the temperature problem, wear some clothes, use blankets and/or return to warmer climate (human ecological niche).


There is no mechanism by which raw, whole fruit causes hypoglycemia. Were you consuming high fructose corn syrup? Or taking the fiber off, juicing and gulping? Or did you impare insulin response before you incorporated low quality fruit into your diet?

C

    C, GS lives in the tropics.  I doubt his fruit is low quality like wherever you're from.  I doubt he replaced his fruit with HFCS or anything like that.  Are you trying to turn us fruitarian?  There are plenty of fruitarian forums.  Many of us here only eat animal meat, no fruit, nothing else.  I myself have eaten only fruit several times, at times of which were in the tropics with only wild crafted fruit that readily fell off the trees each day on their own, yes I saw it every day, for near a year at a time.

    Inuits are human.  They lived quite a long time on the permafrost.  I myself have slept in the snow, no blanket nor sheet nor pillow.  If you're trying to be paleo, do you really believe they had bedding like you use today?

    By the way, when I lived in the tropics, and most of my life I was extremely lean.  At the end of my Veganism did I gain weight.  What a way to derail a thread.

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Hot Topics / Re: Pemmican
« on: October 29, 2009, 09:28:07 am »
    This is it http://www.grasslandbeef.com/Detail.bok?no=1061, US Wellness's pemmican that I tried. Their other varieties do both have salt.  I don't understand why honey is added to one.  Weren't honeybees first brought over by the Europeans after they colonized?  I would think some ripe berries would be sweet.  Maybe it's the preservative quality of honey they're looking for?  Maybe maple was first used in it, or even agave and definitely not beef, anyway. 

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Hot Topics / Re: Pemmican
« on: October 29, 2009, 07:23:54 am »
I haven't personally eaten US Wellness' pemmican but I've read a number of comments from posters on a couple boards that it used to be overtly salty for their tastes.

    They must have changed the recipes.

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Health / Re: ALL VACCINES are dangerous to human health. Reject them ALL.
« on: October 29, 2009, 06:05:33 am »
It is the height of foolishness to refuse all vaccines automatically, in my opinion. Some are much better/worse, surely, in terms of effectiveness and side effects.  To refuse them all, without examining each one for side effects and efficacy, is a poor choice.

    I used to think like that.  I've examined too many vaccines now, and understand how much more unnatural vaccines are especially childhood ones, unnatural in such a way that is to the detriment of the being.  I have to assume the vaccines are all unhealthy now.  I still research should I be offered vaccines, but I don't come from the assumption that they will likely build my immune system or do no harm.  I give the benefit of the doubt now, that it may go either way.  I do not accept them blindly now.  My eyes see them. 

    Truthfully no one has offered me a vaccine in maybe seven or more years.  They offered me a flu vaccine.  I was vegan.  I knew my body had bad reactions to animal foods.  I just replied, "I'm allergic to eggs", and they immediately let me go and went for the next person, no problem at all.

    I'm not you though.  I've always had a heightened immune response, that is only now regulated with RAF.  Vaccines may be good for you, and just not good for me.
     

Europeans who were sensitive to such diseases died out generations before.  IIRC it was mentioned in the book "Guns, Germs and Steel" .

    What's IIRC?

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Off Topic / Re: Over 400 members!
« on: October 28, 2009, 10:38:20 pm »
And even, among those, there would be many who would ultimately prefer the quick(if pisspoor) fix of pharmaceutical drugs to spending years recovering on a really strange diet.

    I'd prefer a quick fix.  I tried it first, for a year and a half.  They nearly killed me with their simple prescriptions.  They weren't bad doctors, and my insurance was pretty decent, that wasn't it.  There's not always an easy way, or better put:  RAF may be the easiest way.  Not that it's necessarily easy to get the foods, but in some situations it's the only way to live.

    Advertising, IDK, word of mouth is best in many situations.  Advertising might be good here.


   

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Off Topic / Re: Scientist claims Modern Man had sex with Neanderthals
« on: October 28, 2009, 10:12:58 pm »
    From the article presented above published in the Telegraph last week:
Quote
Modern man and Neanderthals had sex across the species barrier

    Well, that's not news, with all the bestiality I hear about today.  Sorry.

    I too am curious as to what mixes there are.  Some people now look a little like Neanderthals.

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