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Ditto on that one Kyle.

I try to find a balance between simple foods and things that taste good. Anything that ends up consuming too much time (like making pemmican, for instance) I usually ditch. I like to just find the right dry seasoning combo to throw on certain cuts of meat, and throw these in the oven or on the grill and then eat them. I also only eat once or twice a day, which keeps it even more simple. I love not having to eat while I'm around lots of crap food, which is very typical in this society.

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Thanks Kyle and Lex.

Satya, I do some raw meat and eggs at times, but, generally cook my meat very rare. I am just eating meat & eggs, herbs & spices, and a little butter, with only water to drink. This seems to be working out best for me at this time. I'm glad to have gotten rid of all the rest, so far.

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Week 5 results are in! 8)

http://magicbus.myfreeforum.org/sutra31429.php#31429

Here's your answer, Satya.

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Satya,

I'm now on seasoned meat and eggs with no dairy. I gave dairy up for good. Check my MAM thread and you'll see why. Like you, it's not good for me to touch dairy, and, I never will again. I don't have any problem with eggs.

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Total : Wed Jan 14 - Tue Feb 3

Average Calories: 4105
Average Fat: 86%

Expected: 5.4 kg body fat gain
Actual: 4.3 kg body fat loss

http://magicbus.myfreeforum.org/sutra30994.php#30994

This should speak loud and clear for itself.

I've been over consuming calories since Nov 24, 2008. Since then, I've lost 10.3 kg of body fat!

In November, I was not able to button my size 34 jeans. Now, I cannot wear those jeans, cuz they fall off me. The size 33 jeans I have been wearing are falling down to the point I won't be able to wear those anymore here real soon. I had a large bulging belly back in November, and now, my fat roll around my belly is getting very small. When I'm sitting down, I can still grab some fat, and so, I've still got some to lose. Eating this way, I'm totally sure that, no matter how much I eat, I will lose every bit of body fat I have.

Boy, Satya, Kato sounds like one wild cat.

I use kilos, cuz that is the most universal measurement. Most members on the Bus use that as well.

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Week 3 results are in!

http://magicbus.myfreeforum.org/sutra30994.php#30994

Interesting, Lex. I find it very hard to keep fat above 80%. I'm getting down to that last bit of body fat, where I might have to do some real calorie restriction to lose more. We'll see what happens next week, when I drop my cals down to maintenance levels, while still eating carnivorously.

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Satya,

I used to have a cat that looked just like that. I love those markings on a cat.

Are you a cat person?

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It's good to read your progress reports, Dean.  Are you actually testing your body fat, or are you assuming the weight lost is fat?  It could be water, muscle, waste and or fat.  Only by testing body fat can you know for sure.  However, considering that you are close to no carb, it's probably fat and/or water.  Keep it up!

Satya,

I've been using the average of four different instruments to measure body fat, so, yes, this is actual body fat loss. I have been just meat and water for so long that all the water is gone. My jeans keep getting looser and looser. I can even tell when looking in the mirror or when I pinch the small fat roll around my belly, that it is vanishing. 8)

BTW, your cat looks a lot like mine.

http://magicbus.myfreeforum.org/about913.html

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Well,

My meat and fat experiment has been getting some interesting results.

On Tuesday I finished my first week. Despite consuming 5232 average daily calories, and 86% average daily animal fat, which should have put 2.8 kg of body fat on me, I actually lost 0.4 kg of body fat. And, the loss continues. Today I was down 0.9 kg! It's really amazing to me.

So much for the calorie theory, huh?

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Well, I did it again. 8) Went over 5,000 cals, and 81% fat to boot.

This experiment is about to begin.

Read the details here.

http://magicbus.myfreeforum.org/sutra30106.php#30106

I'm feeling a lot better eating all this fat. It's funny how quickly I adjusted to it. For that I'm glad, cuz, not only is it going to be good for the experiment to keep cals as high as possible, but, I really think the more animal fat I consume, the quicker I'm going to lose this excess roll of fat, which is that last, stubborn bit of fat that is so hard to lose.

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Last couple days, did over 5,000 calories each day. Been drowning my meat in animal fat. Sorta makes me queasy for a spell. I'm going to officially begin my experiment on Thursday, posting my cals each day, and my weight each Thursday. I sure wish I could eat butter, and may have to at some point, since all that tallow and lard is sorta making me sick.

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Thanks.

Yah, I'm trying to leave the dairy out, cuz, it seems to have some sort of stalling effect on me. I've done really high calorie, high animal fat, including eggs and lots of heavy cream and cheese, but, I stalled dead in my tracks. I didn't gain, though. This time, I want to eliminate those factors, and I wanna see if I'll actually lose body fat.

Believe me, I know what you mean about having a hard time eating lots of calories on ZC. I'm a little worried how sick I might get eating all that animal fat. Perhaps if I do a lot of eating throughout the day, I can get a lot of calories in. Realistically, I'm probably gonna be closer to 3-4,000 calories a day doing this. But, that will still be excess calories.

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OK. So, in just a while, my experiment begins.

I am going to eat as much animal fat as I can stand, getting my calories way up there, just to see if I can continue losing body fat doing this.

I have always thought the calorie theory had merit, but, possibly it makes no difference if one eats zero carb and eats plenty of animal fat.

This should be a very interesting experiment.

I invite you all to come check it out.

http://magicbus.myfreeforum.org/about1484.html

It's gonna be hard to eat all this fat, but, somebody has to do it. ;)

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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: Overeating
« on: December 29, 2008, 01:17:41 pm »
Was the key to success for "me too". ;)

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For me, personally, it has been a gradual process of eliminating non-animal foods, and experimenting with different animal foods, like rendering pig fat to make lard, or trying raw liver, or raw bison, etc. I used to eat lots of veggies, thinking they were doing me a lot of good, but, over time I eliminated all fruits and veggies, and I noticed no difference in my health. What I do notice is when I go for a stretch without enough red meat. For me, red meat seems to have many of the things that keep me feeling good. Also, if animal fat is low, I start to get anxiety. IFing is another thing I have learned to love.

I'm still experimenting, and try not to look at it as all or nothing. I look at it like this: Imagine if I never tried to change my WOE? I remember back ten years ago when I just ate whatever (they call it SAD for a very good reason). So, even if my WOE is not as optimal as it could be, I'm a lot better off without a lot of things that would be destroying my health. I do believe that certain foods destroy one's health. I can feel the difference very quickly when I eat certain things, especially grain based foods, or carby stuff.

One could look at eating certain ways as a healing process, and not worry so much about what they will adopt long term. Also, it is good to experiment with things, to find what works best for you. For me, social settings are important, and sometimes careful compromises are necessary. It's no big deal, really. It's all part of life. I wouldn't take it too seriously. It's not a religion. It's just a way to try to help heal your body, and to try out ways of eating that are usually very discouraged by the status quo, probably for profit. Anyway, that's my story.

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