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Health / Re: Constant paranoia and anxiety with zero carb
« on: August 28, 2009, 07:12:42 am »
My anxiety actually lessened. Although, I transitioned to zero-carb slowly, which makes me think that it might be caused by yeast or other carb-created creatures dying off and creating toxins that affect your brain. (Or maybe it's the carbs themselves, and the withdrawal symptoms of not having them all of the sudden. I just don't know.)  

Maybe try weening off of the carbs very slowly. We have to do that with several drugs and the same symptoms occur in those situations.

That's actually the way I see carbs now, as drugs.  


Hot Topics / Re: The Stone Age Diet
« on: August 28, 2009, 06:59:24 am »
Thank you so much Carnivore!

I'm going to read this cover to cover.

I wanted this book a long time ago and could never find it.

I came to zero carb because of colitis.

I'm going to print out a copy for my neighbor who has colitis, and is still using drugs to treat it.



The Appendix: Useful and in Fact Promising

The body's appendix has long been thought of as nothing more than a worthless evolutionary artifact, good for nothing save a potentially lethal case of inflammation.

Now researchers suggest the appendix is a lot more than a useless remnant. Not only was it recently proposed to actually possess a critical function, but scientists now find it appears in nature a lot more often than before thought. And it's possible some of this organ's ancient uses could be recruited by physicians to help the human body fight disease more effectively.

In a way, the idea that the appendix is an organ whose time has passed has itself become a concept whose time is over.

"Maybe it's time to correct the textbooks," said researcher William Parker, an immunologist at Duke University Medical Center in Durham, N.C. "Many biology texts today still refer to the appendix as a 'vestigial organ.'"

Slimy sac

The vermiform appendix is a slimy dead-end sac that hangs between the small and large intestines. No less than Charles Darwin first suggested that the appendix was a vestigial organ from an ancestor that ate leaves, theorizing that it was the evolutionary remains of a larger structure, called a cecum, which once was used by now-extinct predecessors for digesting food.

"Everybody likely knows at least one person who had to get their appendix taken out - slightly more than 1 in 20 people do - and they see there are no ill effects, and this suggests that you don't need it," Parker said.

However, Parker and his colleagues recently suggested that the appendix still served as a vital safehouse where good bacteria could lie in wait until they were needed to repopulate the gut after a nasty case of diarrhea. Past studies had also found the appendix can help make, direct and train white blood cells.

Now, in the first investigation of the appendix over the ages, Parker explained they discovered that it has been around much longer than anyone had suspected, hinting that it plays a critical function.

"The appendix has been around for at least 80 million years, much longer than we would estimate if Darwin's ideas about the appendix were correct," Parker said.

Moreover, the appendix appears in nature much more often than previously acknowledged. It has evolved at least twice, once among Australian marsupials such as the wombat and another time among rats, lemmings, meadow voles, Cape dune mole-rats and other rodents, as well as humans and certain primates.

"When species are divided into groups called 'families,' we find that more than 70 percent of all primate and rodent groups contain species with an appendix," Parker said.

Several living species, including several lemurs, certain rodents and the scaly-tailed flying squirrel, still have an appendix attached to a large cecum, which is used in digestion. Darwin had thought appendices appeared in only a small handful of animals.

"We're not saying that Darwin's idea of evolution is wrong - that would be absurd, as we're using his ideas on evolution to do this work," Parker told LiveScience. "It's just that Darwin simply didn't have the information we have now."

He added, "If Darwin had been aware of the species that have an appendix attached to a large cecum, and if he had known about the widespread nature of the appendix, he probably would not have thought of the appendix as a vestige of evolution."

What causes appendicitis?

Darwin was also not aware that appendicitis, or a potentially deadly inflammation of the appendix, is not due to a faulty appendix, but rather to cultural changes associated with industrialized society and improved sanitation, Parker said.

"Those changes left our immune systems with too little work and too much time their hands - a recipe for trouble," he said. "Darwin had no way of knowing that the function of the appendix could be rendered obsolete by cultural changes that included widespread use of sewer systems and clean drinking water."

Now that scientists are uncovering the normal function of the appendix, Parker notes a critical question to ask is whether anything can be done to prevent appendicitis. He suggests it might be possible to devise ways to incite our immune systems today in much the same manner that they were challenged back in the Stone Age.

"If modern medicine could figure out a way to do that, we would see far fewer cases of allergies, autoimmune disease, and appendicitis," Parker said.

The scientists detailed their findings online August 12 in the Journal of Evolutionary Biology.

Off Topic / Re: Check out this crazy clip about raw meat eating
« on: August 23, 2009, 03:12:33 am »
There's another clip of the white father having an emotional breakdown in the bathroom. He actually starts weeping and comes off as a complete wacko. He doesn't represent raw meat eaters very well.

Off Topic / Re: Whole Foods Boycott
« on: August 22, 2009, 07:06:34 am »
Yeahm I hate wholefoods, but what the guy was actually saying made a hell of a lot of sense (and I'm from the UK).

Why do you hate them? Just curious as to specifics. I haven't done a ton of research on them or anything. It seems like they treat their workers much better than other corporations though. 

I just hate the fact that their eggs are usually not truly free-range, and that they're fed soy. They obviously need to sell more grass-fed meats at better prices. I'm hoping that they are making a slow progression towards that. The meat guys at my local WF say that the grass-fed sells right away every time. You'd think that would help. 

I actually get my sparkling mineral water there because it's much cheaper than at mainstream grocery stores. Which is funny, because here in Chicago people think that Whole foods is always more expensive, and you get made fun of if you shop there by the blue collar culture. (Even if the particular people aren't really blue collar.)

I just started this method of training Tuesday. I'm still sore because I haven't lifted weights in about 4 months. It's so great because my workout only took about twenty minutes, and that was only because I was waiting for other people to get off certain machines. People in the gym were probably looking at me like, "Why is that guy only doing one rep for each exercise." I'm interested to see how my body responds since I'm on a zero-carb diet.   

General Discussion / Re: palatable and safe raw food
« on: August 20, 2009, 09:11:15 am »
As far as organs go, I prefer lamb. They're smaller and easier to deal with. I treat organs the way I used to treat supplements in my standard western diet days. I just eat a small portion with the usual meal of fat/meat. I don't really like eating them as one big meal.

My meat and fat are usually from beef or bison. I honestly can't tell much of a difference between the two. I love them both.

Lamb meet is okay with me, but the cuts are more expensive and not really worth it to me to eat consistently. Plus, my mother cooked a lot of lamb when I was growing up and I always had mint jelly with it. I don't really like being reminded of that while I'm eating. I ate a lot of steak growing up and it was pretty rare with no condiments so it was easier for me to transition with that I guess.

The only fish I like now are salmon from the store, and mackerel at sushi restaurants. I'll eat oyesters, scallops, and shrimp from time to time.   

I would eat more eggs if I had a convenient (and trusted) source.


Hot Topics / Re: Shampoooo!
« on: August 20, 2009, 08:55:16 am »
The whipped eggs makes my hair extremely soft. I was at the bar a few weeks ago and people were taking turns feeling my hair. I kid you not. I think I had washed it the day before. 

Whenever I get out of the ocean my hair feels very sticky, not clean.

Health / Re: More on IBD
« on: August 18, 2009, 06:07:10 am »

I am basically gainst all plant foods now. Our diet can be very simple. I just eat fat, meat, and organs. I do eat fish but only once in awhile because it's expensive. The other day I got some wild coho salmon and bay scallops at Whole Foods because they were on sale. I love mackerel at sushi restaurants because it's the cheapest and healthiest thing on the menu. I do like lamb (lamb is considered red meat by the way.) but it's more expensive than the beef I get so I stick to beef. My organs are from lambs actually. From what I've read, red meat is nutritionally superior to fowl, but if I run into a trusted source where I know the birds were not fed some weird feed, than I would definitely tear into some chicken or turkey. Same thing with eggs. I was getting some good eggs from a truly free-range place when I was on AV's diet, but since I stopped ordering dairy from there, so went the eggs. All the eggs at Whole Foods are from soy-fed chickens. It pisses me off because I would love to snack on some eggs but I have to go out of my way for them. 

I cannot have carbs in any form if I do, my UC will come back. I even tried to have as little as a 1/4 cup of blueberries after a workout and it would still cause me problems. I came to raw through AV, but I highly disagree with his raw honey theory. His diet got me on the right track but the honey was making me relapse.

As for dairy, I never had a problem with cream and butter when I was following AV. I just cut it out to eliminate all possible suspects. I actually plan on experimenting with cream and butter in the future so I can accurately assess it's effects on me after being a straight carnivore for a while. I would definitely only try it from a 100% grass-fed place and raw of course. I would never drink milk again due to the lactose. 

I do take a probiotic capsule that I think helps me a lot. I usually take Sustenex. I've also taken Jarrow's, and Dr. Ohirra's probiotics but I feel like Sustenex has helped the most. I think taking it in capsule form helps it to make it to your lower intestines. Although, it's hard to tell how those things are actually occurring inside of you.   

Plant foods caused me nothing but problems, and after reading Lex's journal, I realized that I was making things way too complicated. I would try giving up the plant foods if you can. 

I have never tried kefir. Do you let it ferment long enough to let the bacteria consume all the lactose?


Swine flu jab link to killer nerve disease: Leaked letter reveals concern of neurologists over 25 deaths in America

By Jo Macfarlane
Last updated at 11:05 PM on 15th August 2009

A warning that the new swine flu jab is linked to a deadly nerve disease has been sent by the Government to senior neurologists in a confidential letter.

The letter from the Health Protection Agency, the official body that oversees public health, has been leaked to The Mail on Sunday, leading to demands to know why the information has not been given to the public before the vaccination of millions of people, including children, begins.

It tells the neurologists that they must be alert for an increase in a brain disorder called Guillain-Barre Syndrome (GBS), which could be triggered by the vaccine.

GBS attacks the lining of the nerves, causing paralysis and inability to breathe, and can be fatal.

The letter, sent to about 600 neurologists on July 29, is the first sign that there is concern at the highest levels that the vaccine itself could cause serious complications.

It refers to the use of a similar swine flu vaccine in the United States in 1976 when:

    * More people died from the vaccination than from swine flu.
    * 500 cases of GBS were detected.
    *  The vaccine may have increased the risk of contracting GBS by eight times.
    * The vaccine was withdrawn after just ten weeks when the link with GBS became clear.
    * The US Government was forced to pay out millions of dollars to those affected.

Concerns have already been raised that the new vaccine has not been sufficiently tested and that the effects, especially on children, are unknown.

It is being developed by pharmaceutical companies and will be given to about 13million people during the first wave of immunisation, expected to start in October.

Top priority will be given to everyone aged six months to 65 with an underlying health problem, pregnant women and health professionals.

The British Neurological Surveillance Unit (BNSU), part of the British Association of Neurologists, has been asked to monitor closely any cases of GBS as the vaccine is rolled out.

One senior neurologist said last night: ‘I would not have the swine
flu jab because of the GBS risk.’

There are concerns that there could be a repeat of what became known as the ‘1976 debacle’ in the US, where a swine flu vaccine killed 25 people – more than the virus itself.

A mass vaccination was given the go-ahead by President Gerald Ford because scientists believed that the swine flu strain was similar to the one responsible for the 1918-19 pandemic, which killed half a million Americans and 20million people worldwide.

Within days, symptoms of GBS were reported among those who had been immunised and 25 people died from respiratory failure after severe paralysis. One in 80,000 people came down with the condition. In contrast, just one person died of swine flu.

More than 40million Americans had received the vaccine by the time the programme was stopped after ten weeks. The US Government paid out millions of dollars in compensation to those affected.

The swine flu virus in the new vaccine is a slightly different strain from the 1976 virus, but the possibility of an increased incidence of GBS remains a concern.

Shadow health spokesman Mike Penning said last night: ‘The last thing we want is secret letters handed around experts within the NHS. We need a vaccine but we also need to know about potential risks.

‘Our job is to make sure that the public knows what’s going on. Why
is the Government not being open about this? It’s also very worrying if GPs, who will be administering the vaccine, aren’t being warned.’

Two letters were posted together to neurologists advising them of the concerns. The first, dated July 29, was written by Professor Elizabeth Miller, head of the HPA’s Immunisation Department.

It says: ‘The vaccines used to combat an expected swine influenza pandemic in 1976 were shown to be associated with GBS and were withdrawn from use.

‘GBS has been identified as a condition needing enhanced surveillance when the swine flu vaccines are rolled out.

‘Reporting every case of GBS irrespective of vaccination or disease history is essential for conducting robust epidemiological analyses capable of identifying whether there is an increased risk of GBS in defined time periods after vaccination, or after influenza itself, compared with the background risk.’

The second letter, dated July 27, is from the Association of British Neurologists and is written by Dr Rustam Al-Shahi Salman, chair of its surveillance unit, and Professor Patrick Chinnery, chair of its clinical research committee.

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It says: ‘Traditionally, the BNSU has monitored rare diseases for long periods of time. However, the swine influenza (H1N1) pandemic has overtaken us and we need every member’s involvement with a new BNSU survey of Guillain-Barre Syndrome that will start on August 1 and run for approximately nine months.

‘Following the 1976 programme of vaccination against swine influenza in the US, a retrospective study found a possible eight-fold increase in the incidence of GBS.

‘Active prospective ascertainment of every case of GBS in the UK is required. Please tell BNSU about every case.

‘You will have seen Press coverage describing the Government’s concern about releasing a vaccine of unknown safety.’

If there are signs of a rise in GBS after the vaccination programme begins, the Government could decide to halt it.

GBS attacks the lining of the nerves, leaving them unable to transmit signals to muscles effectively.

It can cause partial paralysis and mostly affects the hands and feet. In serious cases, patients need to be kept on a ventilator, but it can be fatal.

Death is caused by paralysis of the respiratory system, causing the victim to suffocate.
It is not known exactly what causes GBS and research on the subject has been inconclusive.

However, it is thought that one in a million people who have a seasonal flu vaccination could be at risk and it has also been linked to people recovering from a bout of flu of any sort.

The HPA said it was part of the Government’s pandemic plan to monitor GBS cases in the event of a mass vaccination campaign, regardless of the strain of flu involved.
But vaccine experts warned that the letters proved the programme was a ‘guinea-pig trial’.

Dr Tom Jefferson, co-ordinator of the vaccines section of the influential Cochrane Collaboration, an independent group that reviews research, said: ‘New vaccines never behave in the way you expect them to. It may be that there is a link to GBS, which is certainly not something I would wish on anybody.

‘But it could end up being anything because one of the additives in one of the vaccines is a substance called squalene, and none of the studies we’ve extracted have any research on it at all.’

He said squalene, a naturally occurring enzyme, could potentially cause so-far-undiscovered side effects.

Jackie Fletcher, founder of vaccine support group Jabs, said: ‘The Government would not be anticipating this if they didn’t think there was a connection. What we’ve got is a massive guinea-pig trial.’

Professor Chinnery said: ‘During the last swine flu pandemic, it was observed that there was an increased frequency of cases of GBS. No one knows whether it was the virus or the vaccine that caused this.

‘The purpose of the survey is for us to assess rapidly whether there is an increase in the frequency of GBS when the vaccine is released in the UK. It also increases consultants’ awareness of the condition.

‘This is a belt-and-braces approach to safety and is not something people should be substantially worried about as it’s a rare condition.’

If neurologists do identify a case of GBS, it will be logged on a central database.

Details about patients, including blood samples, will be collected and monitored by the HPA.

It is hoped this will help scientists establish why some people develop the condition and whether it is directly related to the vaccine.

But some question why there needs to be a vaccine, given the risks. Dr Richard Halvorsen, author of The Truth About Vaccines, said: ‘For people with serious underlying health problems, the risk of dying from swine flu is probably greater than the risk of side effects from the vaccine.

‘But it would be tragic if we repeated the US example and ended up with more casualties from the jabs.

‘I applaud the Government for recognising the risk but in most cases this is a mild virus which needs a few days in bed. I’d question why we need a vaccine at all.’

Professor Miller at the HPA said: ‘This monitoring system activates pandemic plans that have been in place for a number of years. We’ll be able to get information on whether a patient has had a prior influenza illness and will look at whether influenza itself is linked to GBS.

‘We are not expecting a link to the vaccine but a link to disease, which would make having the vaccine even more important.’

The UK’s medicines watchdog, the Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency, is already monitoring reported side effects from Tamiflu and Relenza and it is set to extend that surveillance to the vaccine.

A Department of Health spokesperson said: ‘The European Medicines Agency has strict processes in place for licensing pandemic vaccines.

‘In preparing for a pandemic, appropriate trials to assess safety and the immune responses have been carried out on vaccines very similar to the swine flu vaccine. The vaccines have been shown to have a good safety profile.

‘It is extremely irresponsible to suggest that the UK would use a vaccine without careful consideration of safety issues. The UK has one of the most successful immunisation programmes in the world.’

But within hours, she was on a ventilator in intensive care after being diagnosed with Guillain-Barre Syndrome.

She spent three months in hospital and had to learn how to talk and walk again. But at times, when she was being fed through a drip and needed a tracheotomy just to breathe, she doubted whether she would survive.

The mother of two, 57, from Maryport, Cumbria, had been in good health until she developed a chest infection in March 2006. She gradually became so weak she could not walk downstairs.

Doctors did not diagnose Guillain-Barre until her condition worsened in hospital and tests showed her reflexes slowing down. It is impossible for doctors to know how she contracted the disorder, although it is thought to be linked to some infections.

Mrs Wilkinson said: ‘It was very scary. I couldn’t eat and I couldn’t speak. My arms and feet had no strength and breathing was hard.

I was treated with immunoglobulin, which are proteins found in blood, to stop damage to my nerves. After ten days, I still couldn’t speak and had to mime to nurses or my family.

‘It was absolutely horrendous and I had no idea whether I would get through it. You reach very dark moments at such times and wonder how long it can last.

But I’m a very determined person and I had lots of support.’

After three weeks, she was transferred to a neurological ward, where she had an MRI scan and nerve tests to assess the extent of the damage.

Still unable to speak and in a wheelchair, Mrs Wilkinson eventually began gruelling physiotherapy to improve her muscle strength and movement but it was exhausting and painful.

Three years later, she is almost fully recovered. She can now walk for several miles at a time, has been abroad and carries out voluntary work for a GBS Support Group helpline.

She said: ‘It makes me feel wary that the Government is rolling out this vaccine without any clear idea of the GBS risk, if any. I wouldn’t wish it on anyone and it certainly changed my life.

‘I’m frightened to have the swine flu vaccine if this might happen again – it’s a frightening illness and I think more research needs to be done on the effect of the vaccine.’

Hotline staff given access to confidential records

Confidential NHS staff records and disciplinary complaints could be accessed by hundreds of workers manning the Government’s special swine flu hotline.

They were able to browse through a database of emails containing doctors’ and nurses’ National Insurance numbers, home addresses, dates of birth, mobile phone numbers and scanned passport pages – all details that could be used fraudulently.

And private and confidential complaints sent by hospitals about temporary medical staff – some of whom were named – were also made available to the call-centre workers, who were given a special password to log in to an internal NHS website.

It could be a breach of the Data Protection Act.

The hotline staff work for NHS Professionals, which was set up using taxpayers’ money to employ temporary medical and administrative staff for the health service.

The not-for-profit company runs two of the Government’s swine flu call centres – with 300 staff in Farnborough, Hampshire, and 900 in Watford, Hertfordshire.

Shadow Health Secretary Andrew Lansley described the revelations as ‘disturbing’.

Anne Mitchell, a spokeswoman for Unison, said: ‘There’s no excuse for such a fundamental breach of personal security. Action needs to be taken as soon as possible to make sure this does not happen again.’

A spokeswoman for NHS Professionals would not confirm whether access to the confidential files had been granted.

So it's actually pretty easy, if one can get over the social pressures and psychological issues,

That's exactly why he does it. Most people can't get over it. Also, people are so used to shopping in the grocery stores like robots, he knows he can at least direct them to dairy.

and I don't understand why he doesn't at least mention suet,

He might not know what suet is. Hell, I've had two different grass-fed farmers not know what suet is. He mentions grass-fed tallow, lard, brains, bone marrow, organs in different articles.

I think he does a well enough job explaining that we evolved on actual animal fat, not dairy fat. He mentions that some people will have issues with dairy. If those people can't conclude for themselves that they should substitute dairy fat with real paleo animal fat, then natural selection steps in.

It reminds me of many of us who came to raw paleo through AV. I had to gradually realize many of the foods he recommended were not ideal at all. He pointed me in the right direction though.   


Off Topic / Re: Over 400 members!
« on: August 14, 2009, 12:40:16 pm »
I think about this all the time, but then I just laugh because it just isn't going to happen. I could be wrong, but I think it usually takes a pretty bad sickness and an extremely open mind to come to this diet. Even if they have the former they will just listen to doctors most of the time. My own family witnessed the turn-around in my health on this diet and they haven't changed any of their practices.

Also, I live in Chicago and everything is about different cuisines. All of which are at odds with paleo. I feel like such an observer now, which is totally fine. It's just funny how differently I look at it all now. Some people feel bad for me at first when they remember I can't partake, but I always assure them it doesn't bother me at all anymore. I sort of feel bad for them because my diet is making me feel so good now.

I do hear more about the importance of grass-fed animals though. Maybe there could be a slow transition in that aspect. I suspect factory farms will be with us for some time though. They have such a powerful hold on the people.

I've enjoyed some of that Doc's posts in the past, but as Tyler's pinned post suggests, including significant dairy is one of the most common errors in low carb diets. Easier is often not better.

Well yeah, you and I know that dairy is not ideal, but this guy's helping people. It's better than the diet that they used to be on I'm sure. Most people are not going to be as educated on proper paleo nutrition as most of us are on this forum. (Or they don't have a strong motivating factor like a debilitating disease.) His blog may lead them down the right path though. Plus, I was just more excited that he was an actual doctor that was willing to think outside the mainstream, unlike many of his colleagues.

Sorry I missed that Tyler had posted about it before. I did some searches and didn't find anything.

Off Topic / Re: Even fruit flies prefer meat?
« on: August 14, 2009, 06:54:26 am »
We have a few fruit flies. My sister has some vegetables and fruit hanging out all the time. They don't seem interested in the meat I have in my dehydrator. (I was thinking that they might be, but it hasn't happened at all.) They also didn't hang out on any of my dirty plates.

I haven't left any blood out though.

Perhaps it's just the blood that they like?

Health / Nightshades affect Arthritis, no doubt...
« on: August 14, 2009, 06:48:43 am »
I firmly believe that I was acquiring degenerative arthritis in my neck. I used to think I was straining it in my weightlifting routines, but I haven't lifted weights in months. It kept reoccurring. I would wake up with a painful stiff neck, and it would slowly loosen up during the day. Anyway, I stopped getting it when I gave up all plant foods. This makes a great deal of sense since one of the last plant foods I gave up were tomatoes and cayenne pepper.

Well, a few weeks ago, I started using paprika and cayenne on my beef jerky, and the painful stiffness came back again with a vengeance. It's been about three weeks since I stopped using the seasonings and My neck feels totally fine.

For me, this trial and error confirms the connection.

If you know anyone with arthritis, I would definitely recommend they try eliminating nightshades.


Health / Re: errm, i think i got pinworms from travelling...
« on: August 14, 2009, 06:07:18 am »
It might just be yeast. Who knows?, but Aajonus Vonderplanitz, in his book said that that's what causes the "itchy butt." He recommends putting raw apple cider vinegar on it. It worked for me a couple of times. I haven't gotten it since being on zero carb the last several months.


Hot Topics / Medical Doctor's blog about mimicking paleo metabolism...
« on: August 14, 2009, 06:02:12 am »
This doctor has a great blog that is just a few months old. He basically recommends a high fat zero/low carb approach, in order to mimic the metabolic effects of a paleo diet. He recommends people use dairy fat to substitute marrow, brains, organs, etc. because he knows it will be easier for the general population to do that, as apposed to actually eating all paleolithic foods. Anyway, I think it can help a lot of people. There's a lot of good stuff on there. I made a comment on his blog, and told him about our forum, just to reach out a bit.

Journals / Re: Lex's Journal
« on: August 13, 2009, 01:32:35 pm »
Hey Halotek,

Lex has been eating a mix of organs in his food. (Although I know he was thinking of doing away with the practice as of late.) Anyway, I think he's probably been getting a lot of vitamin C from that. I myself am on a carnivorous diet, and I eat lamb livers and sweetbreads everyday. (just a few small pieces)

Also, Nicola had a post on here a while that discussed sugar and vitamin C competing with eachother to be absorbed by the body. Perhaps we don't need as much vitamin C since it doesn't have to compete with sugar in our bodies? I don't know.

Here's an interesting excerpt from Weston A. Price's "Nutrition and Physical Degeneration," which I am reading right now: 

"When I asked an old Indian, through an interpreter, why the Indians did not get scurvy he replied promptly that that was a white man's disease. I asked whether it was possible for the Indians to get scurvy. He replied that it was, but said that the Indians know how to prevent it and the white man does not. When asked why he did not tell the white man how, his reply was that the white man knew too much to ask the Indian anything. I then asked him if he would tell me. He said he would if the chief said he might. He went to see the chief and returned in about an hour, saying that the chief said he could tell me because I was a friend of the Indians and had come to tell the Indians not to eat the food in the white man's store. He took me by the hand and led me to a log where we both sat down. He then described how when the Indian kills a moose he opens it up and at the back of the moose just above the kidney there are what he described as two small balls in the fat. These he said the Indian would take and cut up into as many pieces as there were little and big Indians in the family and each one would eat his piece. They would eat also the walls of the second stomach. By eating these parts of the animal the Indians would keep free from scurvy, which is due to the lack of vitamin C. The Indians were getting vitamin C from the adrenal glands and organs. Modern science has very recently discovered that the adrenal glands are the richest sources of vitamin C in all animal or plant tissues."

Off Topic / Re: Would you become a paleolithic human if you could?
« on: August 12, 2009, 11:50:42 am »
"No European who has tasted Savage Life can afterwards bear to live in our societies."

I just wanted to add some perspectives from Benjamin Franklin to this thread. (I know Native Americans were not paleo, but still, Franklin's observations are very telling in regards to this thread.)

This is taken from:

While Indians did not seem to have much inclination to exchange their culture for the Euro-American, many Euro-Americans appeared more than willing to become Indians at this time:

    When an Indian child has been brought up among us, taught our language and habituated to our customs, yet if he goes to see his relations and makes one Indian Ramble with them, there is no persuading him ever to return. And that this is not natural [only to Indians], but as men, is plain from this, that when white persons of either sex have been taken prisoners young by the Indians, and lived awhile among them, tho' ransomed by their Friends, and treated with all imaginable tenderness to prevail with them to stay among the English, yet within a Short time they become disgusted with our manner of Life, and the care and pains that are necessary to support it, and take the first good Opportunity of escaping again into the Woods, from whence there is no reclaiming them.

Franklin followed with an example. He had heard of a person who had been "reclaimed" from the Indians and returned to a sizable estate. Tired of the care needed to maintain such a style of life, he had turned it over to his younger brother and, taking only a rifle and a matchcoat, "took his way again to the Wilderness." Franklin used this story to illustrate his point that "No European who has tasted Savage Life can afterwards bear to live in our societies." Such societies, wrote Franklin, provided their members with greater opportunities for happiness than European cultures. Continuing, he said:

    The Care and Labour of providing for Artificial and fashionable Wants, the sight of so many Rich wallowing in superfluous plenty, whereby so many are kept poor and distress'd for Want, the Insolence of Office . . . the restraints of Custom, all contrive to disgust them with what we call civil Society.

General Discussion / Superiority of particular animal fats?
« on: August 12, 2009, 09:01:16 am »
Do you think marrow is superior to suet? If I'm just eating suet, am I missing out on something from marrow, or vice versa? Could I be missing out on something from other fatty parts of the animals?

Also, I'm really not concerned with taste in the context of this thread.

Hot Topics / Re: Shampoooo!
« on: August 08, 2009, 11:59:40 am »
I use two whipped eggs. My hair's about 3 to 4 inches long. You might need more if it's longer. You can also add a little olive oil for conditioner but I don't because grease will just build up on it more quickly. I probably wash my hair every 2 to 3 days. It depends on what I've been doing.
(I got the idea from AV's book)

Also, since going zero carb, I have absolutely no dandruff.

General Discussion / Re: Niacin flush
« on: August 06, 2009, 11:08:01 am »
Wow, I hadn't heard of green tripe until this thread, but I'll have to seek out a source for sure.

This pet food site mentions it helping with dogs' colitis. (I came to raw paleo-carnivore due to ulcerative colitis) I never thought about pets getting colitis. It's probably from eating grains in the commercial pet food. I suspect that I developed mine from my former grain-based diet.

I'm of the school of thought that all organs are really great for us. (Although I mostly eat just liver & sweetbreads in addition to my meat & fat.)

Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: Raw Liver?
« on: July 28, 2009, 05:42:33 am »
I eat a lot of grass-fed lamb liver. I've never heard of too much iron. I've only heard of acquiring vitamin A toxicity.

I don't really worry about it because I eat pretty small portions and not every single day.

General Discussion / Re: Niacin flush
« on: July 25, 2009, 11:03:45 am »
I think you'll be fine if you stick to the new diet.

Also, it looks like lamb might have even more than beef according to this:

(You said you were eating mutton I think)

Liver has a lot too of course.

I take cod liver oil sometimes. It's expensive though. I think if you're eating plenty of grass-fed meat/fat, and you're eating liver pretty consistently, you don't really need cod liver oil. (omega-3s, vitamins A, D, etc.) That's just my opinion though.

Welcome to the forum by the way!

General Discussion / Re: Tomatoes Harmful?
« on: July 23, 2009, 06:05:32 am »
It's funny you should mention that because here is one of the articles I read that basically says that cayenne and wolfberries are the only nightshades you should eat. (By the way, why would cayenne be any different from the other hot peppers?)

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