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Health / Re: Depression
« on: May 14, 2011, 09:57:08 pm »
Congratulations on being cured. Any chance you could share some info on what your diet is like on low carb-zc?

My rule is animal and seasoning. So I do mainly beef, game (deer, elk, moose, umm had cougar once or twice) some pork (because I"m not made of money) and less and less chicken as time goes on. I don't find I want it and when I eat it anyway it's unpleasant to me. I can't really describe it. I have an aversion to it. Seeing as there is no law about whether I can eat chicken or not, I choose not. I use whipping cream for yummy sauces, not raw, but often over raw things. I try to eat liver once a month. I hate it. I eat heart and kidney. It's pretty simple. I'm not making fancy ..I don't know, ... marsupial kiev with raw wild honey & cheese fermented in tibet before the war or anything. The offal I try to get into me once a month. I figure that's fine. It seems to be.

The change in mood happened very quickly. It was 3 months  before I decided to try going off the meds because going off of them was scary for me. But when I did, by that time I felt SO much better I was pretty confident. If it was just placebo I would have cycled down by now. I know my depression.

In a conversation on another board we're talking about whether a lot of the mood, behavioural symptoms we see in the courts, downtowns and schools are more about deficiencies than kids not being spanked early enough or something.

Sabertooth, I too believe that we are not a kind culture to the people around us, or often our children and that plays a part in our depression. I think it can't be ignored though that women while they're pregnant (and before) and men when they're in their fertile years have been exposed to lots of horrid toxic chemicals that we're only guessing at the results from. I remember reading a study on girls born to moms who smoke cigarettes. A huge number of them (70+%?) developed depression at puberty. Nicotine fixed that depression. There is a piece of depression I think that is not all psychological.

Maybe one day we'll learn to be nicer to each other and kinder to the world we live in.

Health / Re: Depression
« on: May 13, 2011, 10:52:12 pm »
So, I see a bunch of people saying "don't go zc for depression" except that's what has cured my depression. I say cured because it's almost 2 years and it hasn't come back. This depression started when I was about 8-9, and carved out my life like a river carves a canyon. I spent most of my teen and young adulthood being suicidal and when it got too bad I'd have psychotic episodes. So, I kept it medicated. Within about 3 months of going very very low carb-zc I was off antidepressants and am still a fully functioning, well respected professional.

When I worked in a supportive residential building for people with a)out of control addictions, b)out of control mental health issues, and c) had to have been homeless for at least a year (this was the criteria for getting in) we had high crisis in the building. All th time. Fights, psychotic breaks, overdoses, suicidality....

Then we finally got the funding for a kitchen. This kitchen served crap food once a day. Overcooked pasta with thin tomato and ground beef sauce, with anemic salad & jello. 911 calls went down to almost 0. Maybe once or twice in a month instead of 3-5 times a week. The drop happened in the first week of serving the food.

I wonder what would have happened to the residents if we could be serving quality, paleo food, lightly cooked or raw (they may not have complied with raw...). The difference was SO significant that it is almost impossible not so say food & mental health are inextricably linked. Between my experience and then those in this resident (other supportive housing agencies have replicated this with similar results now), I'm a believer man.

Someone on another board tried this not long ago trying to replicate rabbit starvation. It didn't happen.

There shouldn't be a problem with them eating solely rabbit. Specially if they're wild animals like miles says.

Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: Zero Carb and Menstruation
« on: April 19, 2011, 09:54:46 am »
pretty much 2 years here, but not all of it raw. The only change in my menstruation is that I get pms VERY rarely now. When I do, it's still bad, but it's so infrequent that I joke that I have no 'early warning system'. I do not have low body weight or % body fat. I'm a 41 year old, apple shaped woman. I exercise, but not extremely. Mostly weights, and mostly only for about 1/2 hr. So it's not like Im an elite athlete. Cramps still come. Everything is the same except for the pms

if one does not eat liver/eggs, where do they get their vitamins/minerals?

Now I just barely started eating organs lately. Mostly because I believe it's a good idea. I really don't like liver. I gag. I'm not a picky eater, but there is something about the texture when raw, and the smell when cooked that either way I can barely tolerate. I find if I slice it thin, then barely sear it, it takes care of hte texture enough without creating that horrible taste.

But I did most of a year on mainly muscle meat, cream, and occasional eggs. I didn't use eggs much because they just don't keep me full like meat does.

That being said, I'm eating it because I believe the theory that it is good for me. Not because I was showing signs of deficiencies, or I was feeling unwell.

Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: Carb containing meats?
« on: January 23, 2011, 07:05:53 am »
I know I'm coming in late in the conversation, but I'm still stuck a few pages back...

I tried a milk liver smoothie ...  It didn't taste good.

Next time, just ask...

Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: Are you a ZCer?
« on: January 23, 2011, 06:56:58 am »
though I look for as many excuses to eat them as I can find.
Which is just on this side of where it becomes a problem. I think that there is a slippery slope (I'm totally not implying that you are sliding btw) where we come up with reasons to eat what we usually know is just pure "because I wanna". Those reasons then become "no, I need to do this" because we've given ourselves "reasons". The mild vigilance it takes to not start believing anything other than "because I wanna" stops that issue. I see it in a lot of places. Rationalization. It's a pet peeve.  ;D

Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: Are you a ZCer?
« on: January 23, 2011, 06:16:15 am »
so it's fairly easy to convince ourselves that they couldn't be the source of any problems and their tastiness and convenience are great incentives to want to keep them in our diets.

ah ha ha!  Yes, I will try e.v.e.r.y.t.h.i.n.g. else to resolve an issue before I ditch the cream. Why? I'm a hedonist by nature. If I found that it really was a problem for me, after tweaking every other variable I could, I would ditch it. Maybe. Quality of life over quantity.  l)

Hi Phil!  ;)

Personals / Re: RAFers Across the World!
« on: January 23, 2011, 01:21:12 am »

Southern BC, Canada. The tropics of the Great White North

-Type of RAFer you are 
Dirty Carnivore. Animal products only with the exception of spices/herbs

-And if you want your avatar as the image that shows up on the map please just tell me.

Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: Are you a ZCer?
« on: January 23, 2011, 01:14:38 am »
I identify as a ZC'er OR a dirty carnivore. I use them interchangeably because I do eat dairy, spices, the odd herb.

why do ppl even eat/drink anyhting dairy for the 'benefits'. it doesnt make sense as it has more bad side effects. i swear ppl that are paleo w dairy do it only caause the stuff is really addicting and it tastes good

Akshully I do it because heavy cream tastes really good in my coffee. The coffee is addicting. When I quit coffee, I don't drink cups of heavy cream.  I do not get a bad side effect. I quit dairy when I first went off carbs (as a whole) and have been allergic to milk my whole life.  I now don't have any allergic reaction to it. Tasting good IS the reason. If something tastes good, but doesn't give you bad side effects, why not do it?

I probably get about 7g carbs from the dairy, then whatever is in the muscle. Liver days I'll get more.

I've just started to eat organs after 1.5 years on muscle meat and dairy. I'm trying to eat liver once a month (it's taking a bit for me to like it) and hearts, I enjoy and they're cheap, so whenever I have a hankerin'. Kidney, I'll have to work up to. I figure if I'm eating some kind of organ a few times a month, then I'll get everything I need. I don't know what numbers we're "supposed" to eat. I just figure some is better than others. Liver I can't eat cooked. I sear it quickly (really quickly) just because I don't like it cold.

Welcoming Committee / Hi everyone! just taking a look around
« on: January 22, 2011, 11:40:16 pm »
Hi everyone. I'm a dirty carnivore from the tropics of Canada who's food is getting rawer and rawer as time goes one. I thought I'd jump over here to see what y'all have going on. I've been carnivore with dairy (I know, not twooo paleo) & eggs for almost a year an a half.

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