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You could say this about any grocery store that holds the label of "health food store". 99% of the products in even the best "health food stores" are junk food.

Off Topic / Re: Fiat currency
« on: August 08, 2011, 09:56:50 pm »
Gold is flirting with $1700/ounce on NYMEX, DOW down 150-200 points. Yeah, after the US credit downgrade anything's possible. We live in interesting times...

As for my preparations, I'm simplifying my lifestyle, simplifying my diet, incorporating many cleansing ceremonies into my life to increase my psychological spiritual resilience. Personally, I think psychological and spiritual resilience is the greatest need for most people in the developed world. We have plenty of material resources, but they won't do any good if vast swaths of the population go apeshit at the first hint of turmoil.

General Discussion / Re: Wild Food Sources
« on: August 08, 2011, 06:31:24 pm »
In some states, selling of wild game is permitted in certain circumstances. Check your local game laws.

Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: Tendons?
« on: August 08, 2011, 07:29:20 am »
If the tendons are too hard to cut, maybe soak them in warm water?

How do you grow your own bugs? and which kinds? what do the bugs eat? how many can you grow? in what kind of containers, and how do you feed them to the chickens? do you have a rooster?

Unfortunately cheromiya_kid banned Dorothy, so she will not be able to respond to your question.

Off Topic / Re: Water purification
« on: August 07, 2011, 08:18:19 pm »
There is also the documentary Water, The Great Mystery. You can watch it on YouTube here:

I found it fascinating. Not sure I believe everything in there, but then we should always approach pre-packeged ideology with healthy skepticism.

Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: Today's workout?
« on: August 07, 2011, 04:19:08 am »
My workout today consisted of walking three miles to a forested area where I have permission to cut down trees to make hunting bow staves, then cutting down a small hickory tree (about 4 inches diameter at breast height), then carrying the 40 pound log on my shoulders 3 miles back home, then splitting the log into four staves and cleaning them up with my drawknife, carving knife and file so they can dry for a while before I turn them into bows or sell/trade them.

I don't know how many calories I burned, but it was a good, full-body, full-range-of-motion, utilitarian workout.

Off Topic / Re: Water purification
« on: August 07, 2011, 04:12:58 am »
What about buying reverse-osmosis (RO) water, which is admittedly too pure to drink as-is, and re-mineralizing it with either sea salt or clay? This is what Nora Gedgaudas recommends in her recent book Primal Body, Primal Mind.

Suggestion Box / Re: Tribal hierachy
« on: August 07, 2011, 04:10:59 am » average about half a post a day or less.  Dorothy averages more than 10 TIMES that amount.  So, no, not even remotely comparable.

Exactly my point. If you traced back to my earlier incarnation (user Sitting Coyote) and had the ability to see my average per-day post count when I started and average length, I'd bet it was very similar to Dorothy's. I was probably even more of a loudmouth than she was, and my posts probably more infantile. But of course I learned a lot, including a lot of humility, and things changed.

As far as apologies, Dorothy would have to have at least 5 or 6 months of on-topic, non-rambling, substantive, concise posting, before I would consider apologizing for the ban.  It's not about whether she's a worthy's about what she brings to the forum.  This isn't a social club.  It's much closer to being a classroom.  

And how's she going to demonstrate that when you've chased her away?

Thought experiment: If I were a raw vegan who knew my health was failing because of a nutritional void in my diet and happened to find this board, and found a kindred spirit in Dorothy's (or someone similar) initial posts because we shared a common history of raw veganism, and then saw how she was attacked and booted from the board for merely talking about her acknowledged failure to make a raw vegan diet work for her, would I feel welcome?

Would I even feel inclined to take the idea of eating raw animal foods to fill the nutritional void in my diet seriously?

One of the stereotypes created for those who consume raw animal foods is that of extreme aggression. That stereotype fits your reaction to Dorothy's posts (and to other things) like a glove. Is that the image you want to convey in this public forum? Is that the image the forum more generally wants to convey when they give aggressive people moderator status?

Thanks for posting that video sabertooth. I really hope we are at the cusp of a radical revolution in thinking about who controls what people eat, and who decides what risks we, as individuals, can choose to take about the foods we wish to purchase and from whom we purchase them...

Suggestion Box / Re: Delete account
« on: August 06, 2011, 07:31:59 pm »
If you want pOwer, you can change all of the personal information associated with the account to nonsensical things that won't allow people to find or reach you, and just stop using it.

Suggestion Box / Re: Tribal hierachy
« on: August 06, 2011, 07:28:41 pm »
I think it's time for Phil to whip out his dainty pink glove and get to work then.

When I first arrived at this site I probably acted much like Dorothy, albeit without such an emphasis on veganism simply because that hadn't been such a large part of my past. Over time I've matured, and my posts are usually few, short and meaningful (or at least I like to think so, perhaps others will disagree).

The point I'm trying to make is that if you ban everyone who isn't 100% mature in their raw paleo development initially, this forum will become a pretty sparse place. And when there are moderators who are obviously using their status for power tripping, that doesn't help either.

I hope that Dorothy is re-instated, and that she gets a well-deserved apology from cherimoya_kid

Who cares what the cost is if it is born by individuals of their own choice?

I care, because the individuals who are making the choice are not the only ones who are bearing the cost. There are many costs not borne by those who are directly making choices. Why should someone who has no direct say in the making of a choice be forced to bear some of the costs?

Off Topic / Re: Is it ethical to kill and eat pet ponies?
« on: August 05, 2011, 09:29:07 am »
I personally would object to the idea of deceiving the current owner as to the animal's purpose. And beyond that I'd be concerned about what the pony was raised on. If largely grain or some sort of manufactured feed, I'd be hesitant to eat it. Also, it seems like pet horses and ponies are supposed to take different types of medicine over the course of the year to alleviate disease and parasites. What sorts of side effects might these have if eaten? I guess I'd have a lot of questions before I would be willing to take a former pet and turn it into food...

Thanks for the link about the Maine food sovereignty movement. I found that there's one in Vermont too:

Let's hope that these laws are upheld in the US Supreme Court.

I was just at the Summervale gathering at the Intervale, and Rural Vermont was tabling there and they're actively working towards putting several more food sovereignty measures up for a vote next town meeting day. I signed up for their list. I also learned, interestingly enough, that it's perfectly legal for a farm to sell meat to a customer without having it butchered in an FDA approved facility. The way it works is that the customer must buy a share of the animal and pay ahead of time, and when this is done the farmer can butcher on-site and the customer can come by and pick up their share.

This seems like a great way to buy organs and other animal parts that are less valuable monetarily but more valuable nutritionally. I'd love to find a bison or elk rancher who will do this, or who will sell me a whole dead animal and let me butcher myself or, I suppose more likely, with a group of people as butchering something large like an elk or bison is a lot of work.

Suggestion Box / Re: Tribal hierachy
« on: August 05, 2011, 04:45:43 am »
If you seriously ban her, then you probably shouldn't be a moderator. You blew this way out of proportion...

As I think about the issue more, I am coming to agree with those who would support people's right to buy and sell raw milk even though I myself don't consume it. From Aajonus' email though, it is not clear to me that raw milk was the driving factor of the raid so much as fraud. Of course it is entirely possible that the issue of fraud is being used as a cover to target raw milk sellers.

The debt legislation recently passed in the US seems to move towards your ideal Geoff. States are already fearing dramatic reductions in funding for various programs, as are many agencies within the Federal Government including the military. It remains to be seen, of course, whether programmatic reductions will be allocated in a way that delivers greater liberty and wellbeing, or whether they are allocated in ways that achieve the opposite goal.

How is the government clamping down on raw meat? I can buy it anywhere (although obviously higher quality grass fed, grass finished meat is more rare and more costly). I can even buy it from restaurants in the form of steak tartare, and raw fish in the form of sushi is available everywhere and is socially accepted. Heck, a friend went to a local farm's work day a couple weekends ago (Bread and Butter Farm, they sell at the Burlington Farmers Market in City Hall Park) and the farm put out a spread of RAW BEEF for participants. Bread and Butter Farm is our local chapter if the Weston A. Price Foundation. I've personally brought raw meat dishes to potlucks around town, and they have been well received.

I think it is a mistake to compare the legal trajectory of raw dairy products and raw meat, as the lobby for high quality grass fed and grass finished meats is far stronger, the health benefits of these products are far more widely known and accepted, they're far more available to start with, and I feel like eating meat raw is becoming more and more socially acceptable with the popularity of sushi and similar dishes.

And how is the government clamping down on raw nuts?

And the point that I'm trying to make is that freedom always comes at a cost, and I'm asking at what point the cost becomes too great. The cost to the individuals who consume dairy, raw or pasteurized, grass fed and organic or grain fed and pumped full of growth hormones and antibiotics, is one thing. The cost to the land is another issue entirely, and this is where I'm willing to raise objections to the dairy industry, raw and organic or otherwise. Cattle, particularly when raised for dairy where feed and forage must be closely managed and controlled, is very hard on the land. Raising cattle for meat is much gentler on the land because it's easier to incorporate polycultures, although bison are far better adapted to polycultural foraging in temperate climates than cattle and of course no one would remotely consider attempting to milk a bison.

In-state sale of raw milk is legal in many states, including here in Vermont provided the milk is sold from the farm that produces it. In other words, you can freely buy raw milk from the farm that produces it in Vermont, but you can't buy it from a supermarket. You also cannot ship raw milk across state lines. That's not a state law, that's a federal law. It is also the law that was broken in the case of RawSome. I don't know California's laws well, so it's also possible that they are similar to Vermont in that it would be legal to buy raw milk from the farm that produces it but not from a store. In this case, here's a second law that was broken. Cheese made from raw milk is different. I don't claim to know why, perhaps because it keeps longer, but it's legal to ship cheese made from raw milk not only across state lines but from country to country.

Raw dairy IS the only hope for small dairy farms, and this is largely why it's such a controversial issue. Large dairy farms want to keep selling their products without fear of being outcompeted by little guys that sell vastly superior products, and particularly don't want the research illuminating how pathetic their product actually is permeating public discourse. Raw milk is controversial largely because it challenges a worldview that supports industrial production of agricultural products, including the industrial production of "organic" agricultural products and organic dairy products specifically.

But, we also have to ask the question of whether it's worth it to produce dairy products in general. Sure, some people can tolerate them, but are they actually good for people, even when raw? We (Homo sapiens) are the only species that I know of that consumes the milk of another species. We are also the only species that consumes milk past the stage of weaning, which for all species ends in early childhood. In other words, we're the only species that insists on holding onto an early childhood food into adulthood. Why? Why can't we eat foods designed for early childhood during early childhood, and graduate into adult foods when the time comes?

According to the thread the owner was illegally importing raw milk from outside state lines. He could have operated Rawsome within the law, but chose not to and will now pay the price.

General Discussion / Re: Is this Chaga? (In Northern Ireland)
« on: August 04, 2011, 02:19:02 am »
Looks like it. Is it growing on a birch?

General Discussion / Re: Northstar
« on: August 04, 2011, 02:18:21 am »
Suet - $4.50/lb
Liver - $6.99/lb
Pancreas - $4.95 each
Thymus - $5.95 each
Spleen - $10.95 each

You can order up to 75 pounds and shipping only costs $15.95. Seemed pretty reasonable to me.

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