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i eat frozen fish quite regularly, more than i eat fresh due to the affordability. seafood freezes and thaws much better than red meats, and is delicious cold

sure its great to eat fresh whenever you can, but in all honesty i can't afford to eat fresh all the time (sucks i know, but most of the world population has it considerably worse than any of us do; for that matter most of the "rich" people in this world indulge in toxic diets and lifestyles, so really the whole world is destroying itself from the inside out), and freezing especially with seafood isn't all that bad at all

key thing with this diet: planning. you don't want to find yourself strapped for cash with no quality food to eat; because then it becomes tempting to fall back on your old habits. which then the question comes to your head, is it really right to be eating so much meat, when you are not hunting and killing it yourself? which the answer always is, of course i would rather be hunting for food, its a very natural and fulfilling instinct; but the alternative ie destroying myself with toxic substances marketed as "food", would be the ultimate disgrace to my body that does everything in its power to keep itself healthy, and by extension my parents who put everything they could into raising me to be healthy and happy

tricky world we live in these days

Sure enough, recent confirmation from scientists:"Healthy and intelligent groups of people have been found to have an average resting pulse rate of 85/minute, while less healthy groups average close to 70/minute."
TSH, temperature, pulse rate, and other indicators in hypothyroidism

Avg resting heart rates:

Newborn baby - 120 to 160
Baby aged from 1 to 12 months - 80 to 140
Baby/toddler aged from 1 to 2 years - 80 to 130
Toddler/young child aged 2 to 6 years - 75 to 120
Child aged 7 to 12 years - 75 to 110
Adult aged 18+ years - 60 to 100
Adult Males - about 72
Adult Females - 76 to 80
Elderly - 50 to 65

Unfortunately, many more LCers beyond aem42290 have reported shockingly low RHR's below 50 and have been misled into thinking it's healthy by misguided media and "experts" who were just repeating bogus assumptions. I was misled by them too until my RHR rose as my health improved and I investigated why this should be and found that the claims weren't based on good science and the evidence instead pointed in the opposite direction.

well with heart rate its all about finding a balance: a healthy balance. i've seen my resting heart rate vary quite a bit over the years, no doubt varying with the differing kinds of physical activities i've done over the years. weight training/spirinting will raise your resting heart rate, while endurance training will lower it. hence the conclusion that cross training is ideal

cross training, is the closest physical representation of what paleo hunters would have lived. moderate/healthy crosstraining, combined with a natural raw diet...what more can you ask for? and with this lifestyle you'll likely come out of it with a moderate resting heart rate. wouldn't you say that such is ideal?

been following the thread, and can see that much has already been discussed. yet one particular aspect of the opening post, hasn't seemed to have been discussed in any detail:

" the carnivorous ZC/ultra VLC diet typically calls for abhorrent amounts of daily fluid intake (wholly against what would be expected in a non-domesticated environment.) "

is it not something we can all agree upon, that humans seem to require more water compared to other comparably sized mammalian carnivores (or "omnivores" or whatever other moniker you choose)?  granted of course you can get much fluids from a fresh kill...and it would be going a bit too far to claim that these "abhorrent amounts of daily fluid intakes" would be unrealistic in a natural environment, you know considering hunter-gatherers have been long surviving with such daily fluid requirements...but i digress

anyways though has anybody else here noticed any changes in daily fluid intake, since adapting raw VLC and/or seasonal diets? because if anything i notice i am drinking a bit less, on a strictly raw diet; probably has something to do with my body not having to clean itself out of various toxins left and right, oh and the fact that raw meat is alot easier to digest than cooked meats. i still like to drink a fair amount of water (its something i always carry around with me)...but water consumption is not a problem so long as you plan accordingly "out in the field" so to speak (as any hunter-gatherer surely would)

General Discussion / Re: Best Red Meat
« on: May 13, 2014, 11:13:48 pm »
the main thing with me when it comes to eating red meats, is to make sure its room temperature or a bit warmer. unlike with seafood i don't really like it that much when its abnormally cooled

and raw meat, well you can really taste what it ate when it lived, so much more when its raw than when its even lightly cooked (rare). you can taste all the minerals in it, which is a new flavor if all you are used to is the cooked (and thus artificial) flavor of lightly cooked (rare) meat

while i still eat more seafood than anything, i've been really into lamb lately. as i said as long as its room temperature or warmer, that seems to make a big difference for me

"body temperature and bloody", thats the key for enjoying red meats. its not meant to be an anemic experience

Welcoming Committee / Re: a little about me, i guess
« on: May 12, 2014, 02:39:02 am »
why thank you. it sure is nice being apart of a site without an agenda, amongst people with a genuine interest in the health of our species

as i said, i didn't intend to put words in your mouth. i was more or less just responding to your point "humans are not carnivores"

i wouldn't turn down simple sources of carbs, in moderation. and during the autumn in particular i'l eat pears from my family pear tree in abundance (and of course share the harvest with friends and such), even if i normally don't eat larger fruits like that. but what they are to me at least, is nothing more than a supplement, an addition to an already solid mainstay diet of animal foods. and from what you have written, we seem to come to an accord on such, with the exception of the starches and the like. which, is something completely new to me, and from what i have read some of the longerstanding posters here as well. so as i said, it is something i will no doubt look into

i more or less just eat what feels right, and what fits according to the balanced and healthy paced lifestyle i am living a day at a time (not to mention climate). the body tends to know what it needs, at any given time (and of course eventually you learn to be able to tell the difference between drug like cravings to certain foods, which dissipate over time, and the bodies actual honest need for certain kinds of foods). i should know from my past, not to get too obsessive with anything, and that applies to diet. hence why even if i clearly favor one type of food over another, well nature itself tends to ensure that i eat a natural variety of things (after all, nature ensures that there are various berries to eat in the summer, plenty of fresh pears in the autumn to eat like i said, not to mention cranberries, and well as humans we have the ability to dry our food, so i have no doubt that paleo humans, at least some paleo humans would have learned to dry fruits and berries and store them throughout the winter. because even as the hunters of large fauna, any smart creature would take advantage of other food sources and the potential for food storage. same thing applies to smoking meats, which i firmly believe was one of if not the first usage of fire on meats. after all, which smart creature would not take advantage of the ability to store dried meats? but i digress)

point being, nature is willing to lay a path for you, if you are willing to listen

than you PaleoPhil for the response, i will read all of those links in due time. the only thing i will say at the moment about the argument of whether humans are carnivores or not, is that that depends on just what definition of "carnivore" we are using (also what comes into play is the regional adaptations of the various races of humanity). you know, because most functional carnivores will still eat plant matter like wild berries for instance, if they come across it in the wild (which of course is relatively rare, which is why it is such a treat). obligate carnivores of course, will not (they do not even have the taste buds to register such things). so technically given that most functional carnivores will eat plant matter from time to time, does that make them omnivores? well, technically. but still functional, hunting carnivores that attain most of their satiation from killed prey. compare that to true omnivores like bears or pigs, which can healthy sustain themselves on mostly carbs

humans, simply put cannot healthy sustain themselves on mostly carbs. simply cant, it causes too much damage to the arteries over time through lesions and plaque build up (the true cause of heart disease and so many ailments). and having read your posts before, i know very well you are not saying to completely disregard animal foods, so of course i am not putting those words into your mouth. i'm just saying that if you examine the digestive track of a human and compare it to a similar pack hunting creature like a wolf, the similarities are obvious. the traditional tribal lifestlye of humans compared to the packs of wolves...the similarities are obvious. both species even have similar eye expressions, which is why we can communicate so well without words. its no coincidence, humans and wolves once occupied that same niche ie pack hunting predators. oportunistic pack hunting predators that would not pass up some fresh berries and such, or pretty much anything edible if found, but pack hunting predators that in the wild needed to obtain the vast majority of their food from hunted prey, nonetheless. which is why feel that eating a "wolf diet" is most ideal especially for a northerner like myself

long story short: humans, like wolves are most accurately described as opportunistic pack hunting functional carnivores. which means the staple of the diet is animal foods, supplemented by occasion and/or seasonal plant matter (most likely berries)

but i thank you for your response, and i will look into all this fuss about resistant starch and company

Welcoming Committee / a little about me, i guess
« on: May 11, 2014, 11:25:37 pm »
well, not much to say other than i am a twenty something year old german-american male from new england, who has always lived an active lifestyle to varying degrees (as in at some points of my life a healthy/moderate level of activity, and at other points quite obsessive to a fault). my diet has changed at bit over the years; i've never eaten truly "bad" by an american standard, actually even at my worst most americans would have considered me quite healthy (of course that is not saying much). but yes indeed for a good portion of my life i ate a new england version of the SAD diet

when i was really young though, i always had a thing for raw seafood. strangely enough i kinda abandoned this in my teens when i became really obsessively active, and at way too much grains (i basically lived on peanut butter and jelly and oatmeal at that time), and of course i was led to believe that sugary cultivated fruits and vegetables that i could hardly digest were "healthy". so, while i was what most people would call "fit", i was far from healthy

my health suffered over the years, and yet i ignored it and continued to lives obsessively. my musculature was always somehow still fairly healthy, but i was thin. i'm still thin (6', 168 pounds, granted i'm fit and all, but well my musculature begins eating itself really quickly), and still trying to put on some good weight to this day (at least to the point that if i have to fast for a while, my body won't start eating away at my musculature)

well long story short, my diet wasn't good, and my lifestyle wasn't good. and it started to hit me in late 2010, and hit me full on in mid-2011. i knew i had to change my diet, and change my lifestyle. and i quite alot of things cold turkey. interestingly enough, the withdrawal symptoms i had from my lifestyle, were considerably more intense than those i had from a changing diet. i still remained active, just not to a fault, and i actually allowed my body to heal itself (just the fact that i could live the way i did in my teens, for that decade or so, without hurting myself more than i did, really amazes me to this day. know need to get into in more deeply, i'm just grateful these days). at this point i started various elimination diets; interestingly enough it was the Wai diet that caught my attention early on. granted, i never followed these diets to a complete fault, as every so often i would eat with family or whatnot, mostly cooked meats and stuff (although i was very strict about not eating grains or dairy at the time; i knew i was intolerant to one, or both. couldn't tell which at the time, turned out to be grains, because i can handle dairy just dine these days and still eat it on occasion). but for the most part i was eating fruits and fruit juices, with the raw egg yokes and coconut and whatnot, with a variation that i still liked teddy peanut butter (especially with apples or bananas)

this diet, really worked well for me for a while. it cleaned my body out it seemed, and i stuck with it even into the winter, at which point i started eating more meats again. at which point, i began favoring meats more and more over the fruits and such. this, began my transition to a more carnivorous diet, on mostly cooked meats at this time, although around summer 2012 i started getting into raw seafood again. this diet, still with remnants of wai, worked well for a while, and combined with a moderate workout routine (oddly enough i got into sprinting and heavy resistent training at this point, which fealt good for a while but i later ran into problems) i felt strong and healthy, for a while

problem was, come late 2012, early 2013, i was having blood pressure issues: my blood pressure was quite high (pretty sure it was like 160 something /88, cant remember exactly but it was high, and the symptoms were there). i couldn't even stand up without feeling like fainting after awhile. come to find out it had to do with a combination of too much protein/not enough fat, heavy resistance training (which became excessive after awhile, i eventually came to realize that i simply had an excessive personally with those sorts of things, which i have since quelled quite a bit), and oddly enough a creeping increase in sodium intake. not to mention i wasn;'t always eating the highest quality of said foods...and some of my old habits started creeping back, like i started eating oats again (its a food from my childhood that i remembered fondly, so i started eating it again. along with some other foods. except this time what it was doing to my body and mind was obvious, so after a few months of experimentation i just dropped them again. with once again some minor drug addict esque withdrawel symptoms, but they didn't last that long)

so, once again i needed to change my diet. and my lifestyle. so by mid-2013 i went back to my classic cross training routine, just way toned down and way less obsessive. and while i still enjoy the summer and autumn fruit harvest, other than that i seem to have lost all taste for carbs in general. and other than simple berries (and i still like coconut), most carbs just don't sit well with my digestive system at all. so, i started eating more and more raw (and sometimes lightely cooked, my family is big on lighely cooked seafood anyways so its not like i'm gonna turn that down) seafood, and for a while nuts until i realized that they too did not site too well with my body, so i try to stay away from nuts for the most part now (of course if eating with family, i make occasional exceptions, with just about any food group that isn't poisonous vegistable oils, sugars, or wheat for instance,i just can't handle those at all. and i try to stay away from sodium like the plague given my previous blood pressure fiasco)

so once again to make a long story short, nowadays for the most part i eat raw seafood, some raw red meats (and lightly cooked as well), occasional cooked other meats/seafood and stuff with family so long as so (which also includes some vegistables which i really don't like and can barely digest, but i don't like to turn food down, i mean i've already had to shut out grains and whatnot, so i try to compromise and not come off as too picky. and i do occasionally eat dairy, particularly whole fat yogurt with my own blueberries), and some berries and coconut. and of course i always drink plenty of fresh water (which granted has always been a constant throughout my life, i never liked to drink anything but water) and without getting into every which way in which i feel healthier, well lets just say i feel healthier these days. sure my hair is still greying at a fairly young age (which if anything i could say i don't even mind as it mixes well with the reddish tones in my hair, giving it an even more russet hue than before), and my body is no doubt damaged...but, i'm actually getting healthier, which is not something i could say until fairly recently. i feel like the raw meat is replenishing something that has long been lost to my body; i'm not an expert on every mineral and whatnot in the body, but i can just tell that something good is happening

the only issue i have is i'm still kinda thin; fit thin, but thin. and i wouldn't mind putting on a bit off good weight, just something that my body won't be forced to eat away at muscle when i have to fast. now i know the answer to this is simply to eat more, of the right things. but i just find in hard to eat more sometimes; i find myself eating just to maintain muscle and general functions, and find it hard to put on any good fat. i feel like i'm sustained, but that i can't seem to satiate myself to where i have any "cushion" so to speak. now i know this is simply because on a hearty diet, you tend to eat less than say if you were eating carbs, and i can go for many hours, sometimes days on no food if i eat enough fatty meat before hand...which may of course be the issue, i'm simply not eating quite enough. which is where i get into the main reason why i joined this forum:

while i'm not an expert on every little mineral the body needs to function, neither is a wolf. but like a wolf i seem to understand what my body and minds needs to function well. i love to go through the human/wolf comparisons, because the similarities are obvious. why else do you think we domesticated each other, and have been close companions in a civilized setting ever since? but i degrees. the point being, i know what foods i need to thrive. what i do not fully know, is how to get them and how to get them in enough quality and quantity to satiate someone like me, in a modern world that is destroying everything that was once pure and simple. life, is not as simple as going hunting in a pack to take down megafauna anymore. it just isn't. and as simple as i try to make life seem, well whenever i get myself into that mindset it eventually always hits me, the reality of the world we are living in. but again, i digress

the reason i join this forum, in addition to sharing whatever experiences i may have with the lot of you, is to gain realistic knowledge of where and how to obtain such foods in a modern setting in a quality and quantity to sustain a being like myself, and to generally just converse the matters. like for instance do any of you ever feel guilty, that you are eating and living in a manner that the vast majority of the world due to internationalist actions and ambitions, simply cannot afford to live like? do you ever feel guilty, that you have a choice, a choice that many simply do not have? in many parts of the world, people have no choice but to eat the foods presented to them, or starve. the natural vitality of there habitat, has simply been destroyed and/or stolen or taken away (and in some cases "sold back" to them). national sovereignty due to internationalist ambitions, is becoming more and more a thing of the past. even in america, well we all know what hidden dangers lurk within just about everything sold at a supermarket. and at the end of the day, the food industries (in cahoots with the USDA of course) don't care how unhealthy we all get (keep in mind they are also in cahoots with the medical industry, so it all plays into their hands), so long as they are making profits. i could talk about this all day, but there are others who do it with much more personally (and for that i would recomend the blog "roar of wolverine: rantings of an intestinal transplant survivor" to everyone here)

long story short, it isn't always simple finding healthy foods in todays internationalist world (healthy? its not even easy finding foods that arn't downright poison to the human body. i mean look at canola oil, something that cows can't even live for long promoted as a health food for human consumption? to the greater internationalist cabal, the majority of the world and its residents are nothing more than cattle. another thing i could speak all day on, but i feel i would probably be preaching to the quire). so that is why i am joining this forum, to share experiences and find the most practical and realistic ways to live as natural a life as possible, in a world gone mad (just like those cows with the "mad cows disease", ie canola/rapeseed poisoning. to turn a species of wolves, into cattle...)


hello, my name is colorles. as you can see i'm a newly joined member, although i have been reading some of the threads on this site well since sometime last year. and having read through this thread has finally motivated me to join the place. for starters though i have one question: this thread seems to have transitioned through a few different subtopics, and lastly seems to be focused on gut bacteria. and thus my question is, isn't the stomach of a functional carnivore supposed to be sterile, due to the potency of the stomach acid? isn't it the stomach(s) of functional herbivores that need all the bacteria to help break down hard to digest plant matter?

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