I've never taken any glandulars, I might have had pancrease awhile back...

anyway, unless you've had previous hyperthyroid/graves symptoms, I would try to chill out and see if it passes.

if not, make sure you continue doing things to slow down your metabolism,

probably increase fat, and sat fat and if you are juicing or cooking foods still maybe include broccoli, Brussel sprouts, cabbage, cauliflower, kale, mustard greens, spinach and turnips. or peaches and pears which are supposed to suppress thyroid hormone.

I don't know much about supplements or remedies, but L-Carnitine is supposedly very helpful, and I took that recently for something else and it seemed to do good in my body. Castor oil is another thing that tends to work well and is listed as being good for hyperthyroid.

I'm definitely of the type that believes we can eat within the kinds of foods we are adapted to - ideally in comprobable quantities that we would have as research unfolds - but ultimately is on the preference of the individual

so while even things like fruit oils might fit within this definition of 'paleo', it doesn't make them healthy, especially in large percentages of the diet. You can apply this to other 'offenders' and percentages of course.

I tend to go in for things like celery and other non-herb vegetables as being positive, but these ARE totally products of agriculture. At the same time, not all wild foods are bitter from experience going on wild food hikes.

I do think most non-root veg in the paelolithic would have been more in the form of herbs, and would not contribute much fiber or starch or even bulk.

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I'm under the impression that a reason for eshewing vegetables is that they have a much slower transit time than raw meats, and are far less digestible than vegetarians claim, so they might present more problems for us than with healthy primitives, who also would likely just be picking them fresh and infrequently so, not picking and choosing them in between meat meals.

the paleo doctrines mentioned the OP are probably based on cooking, in that case raw or cooked vegetation is beneficial in moving cooked meat through the body.

I'm not aruging that one can dispute the damage of these things, just that they DO build up in the body. In the organs, fatty tissue, and cells. If this was not true, many modern diseases would probably not exist. Not to mention the reasons for not consuming grain-fed meats, if one believes their toxins do not get built up in such tissues. Are you saying you would eat factory farmed meats, if they were hijacked mid-life and fed a 100% natural diet for a number of years? And in this case we are talking merely grains, and not the chemicals of modern diets like acrylamide and formaldehyde and other massive quanitities of cooked non-biological foods and stress in modern humans.

I'm really hoping you are right about mercury/fish as I have read this info, but thats besides the point as even if we could equally argue about the severity of mercury, many people DO have measurable amounts (not just trace) of things like mercury and other heavy metals - by medical detection and not just by quacks. My point was, in response to "the body cannot possibly contain all this casein" was that maybe it isn't a whole lot on physical observation but that it may remain in tissue nonetheless. I don't know about casein specifically But these types of things do stay in the body, even distributed over the cellular level.

Ajonous's main shtick is very anti-hygiene in that is that certain foods are necessary to pull various material from the cells, or to replace or absorb such things with animal fats and other protocols.

The point is, though, that all toxins, even allergens, are gradually removed by the body over time. I, for example, experienced a very runny nose after consuming any dairy in childhood(unfortunately, I didn't think of it as a bad thing as I'd been assured by a multitude of people that dairy was super-healthy, especially for children). The mucus in the runny nose apparently resulted from all the casein I was ingesting at the time from dairy. So, once the toxins stop coming in, there's less and less of it in the body until it's eventually gotten rid of.

this is the typical hygiene hypothesis. If all dairy is toxic, this would me Aajonus either would have 0% success rate at least with lactose-intolerant people and dairy, or that these people merely handled dairy better because they became more toxic, which is precisely what many hygienists say about all animal foods. I personally think there could be truth to the fact that pasteurized dairy leaves some kind of residue in tissue, that raw dairy might aggravate/ameliorate. I'm not convinced of this of course, but I think just the anecdotal evidence is enough to make me open to it.

Its still a dubious claim without serious proof, but I think its unfair how it was characterized as 'just another detox' type excuse was my comment. I don't see why the body can't contain casein, how would one know what amounts are stored, how they get released and how much cause symptoms? If one is speaking of mercury, its not like they have huge rocks of the stuff in their bodies.  I don't see how going without dairy (as many lactose intolerant and vegans would be doing before trying raw dairy) would matter if this also doesn't remove the casein according to this hypothesis. As for pasteurized dairy, exactly, one would think peoples symptoms would be way worse, so if you have people vomiting and so forth from raw dairy, and they have no memory of growing up vomiting from dairy, it seems to be more proof of this.

hmm, not sure what you are getting at there, I got sick almost 8 years ago, then again almost 6 years. I did conventional treatments, so yeah during those times my appetite was surely affected, and my health in general has been affected of course my that stuff, and whatever other issues caused the problems in the first place. I should have probably not even brought it up, other then the fact that I wanted to hammer home how much even with those problems that my diet choices were based on more cosmetic things.

When I finished treatments I just continued drinking and living the same lifestyle and felt fine in many ways, I probably ate somewhat better, but I always ate fairly well compared to most folks, with the occasional total junk like bodega food.

Technically other than the constant flus and such I also developed avascular necrosis (hip joint rot) from the treatments and basically the docs told me if I didn't have a hip replacement I would never walk again. So I guess that was really the main motivation for doing raw. So far other than looking fairly young, and not being dead, is my only positive testimonials of diet change. Other than that is seems like a tons of wasted energy and time at the moment. In those 5 years I've been totally emaciated like 4 times for various reasons, and been fairly well built every time in between. So basically I just get really frustrated with loss in progress. I still keep up with the conventional docs if thats what you are thinking?

It was interesting to hear the aajonous lecture about the effects of these treatments. I knew about all his illness but for whatever reason did not know he did conventional radiation and chemo. In fact I thought I heard he believed most people that do so are goners. He is totally right about how it affects your taste buds. I'm sure this has some lasting affect but I've definitely really savored things since then. I feel like it applies towards a much more mechanical and b/w experience of reality as well, that I've remedied someways through various meditation and diet stuff in the past, but overall it is undeniably quite life changing.

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on that note, trying to stay focused on the fact that I was able to down almost a normal amount of food. I think that should be my goal rather than trying to figure out how to get back anything i've lost right now. it's hard.

I had maybe almost .75 lb meat (shanks that had alot of fat), two marow bones, 6 eggs, some carrot/cuc juice w/parsley and maybe 2 oz of butter. I really regret taking the juices out my diet, they're helping with the stomach/hunger and I can also sneak in more eggs that way.

I got out in the sun and did some exercise today for the first time in over a week. no real problem with strength but I didn't push it.

Even though I've felt less dehydrated than any time to date with this diet, I drank some water after each meal which is really rare for me to consider dong. I got some pain in my rt side, kinda like one gets from running. So I don't know if thats the water or my body is still in a wounded state for digestion. I didn't feel as nauseous today that I notice.

He views allegedly "allergic" reactions to raw milk (vomiting, diarrhea, nausea) as detoxes that will eventually pass (this is something Tyler has reported on, but the so-called detoxes did not pass for Tyler).

I think this makes it sound more dubious that what he specifically said, which is [paraphrasing from memory] that casein builds up from years of pasteurized dairy, and that raw dairy has a knack for this stuff releasing and causing symptoms. This could be equally dubious, but I think its a huge difference in interpretation, especially if one goes on his record of 'conversions' of dairy intolerant people.  Unless people have never taken in pasteurized dairy, I don't see how they can definitively deny that this could possibly have merit, other than to quote the conceptual ideas about eating another animals milk etc...of which he also covered. Especially when you consider the increasing rates of lactose intolerance, which isn't exactly correlating with an increase in the populace' health. If someone is getting these symptoms (vomiting, diarrhea, nausea) from raw dairy, and only got intestinal discomfort from pasteurized dairy, then this seems to be even more true.

Well, I guess I can say I'm feeling somewhat better, although I'm so miffed/concerned about the situation, that I'm having trouble putting that in perspective.

One of the reasons I started fiddling with my diet 5 years ago, other than the fact that I kept getting occurrences of cancer, was I would spend half a year at the gym, then I would come down with some kind of flu (presumably from stuffing myself with crap) and would lose all the progress. I'm sure I still have most of my muscle, but just in 10 days or so I'm looking radically different.

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I was able to eat a slightly larger portion of meat maybe .25lb and I ate a few small marrow bones and some tongue, mostly the muscle part. I passed on doing more high meat, but had done twice again yesterday. I Started again with eggs {8) and juice (with some carrots).

meat is still hard to get down and my stomach closes up quickly. I thought partially that was because the meat I had been eating the last few days after being ill had aged poorly and smelled. but the fresh stuff today didn't make much of a difference. Just walking around the store made me feel incredibly queasy.

I did buy a few roots and things, so I guess i'll try those out. Seems to be a little too late of a solution, as my main issue is how to figure out this massive calorie deficiency and fast. Unless I'm going to go way over 150 g carbs, eating cooked tubers is not going to put much of a dent in that, and who would want to eat that much of em' anyway? Even if I start cooking meat this isn't going to help much calorically, unless I figure out how to fix my digestion and can up my fat dramatically.

Its fine to be skeptical of traditional education, but this is just downright cynicism. Of course you can teach yourself, and 9/10 that is how you have to do it structured education or slip through the cracks. It still offers situations and interactions with real people that you don't get on the internet or books alone, not to mention the time to explore things that arn't 100% about making money or leading to future financial opportunities.

as for financial issues this is totally based on the current economy. Up until recently degrees certainly did matter, and they didn't have to be from Ivy League schools. Just because there are alot of educated people on their ass right now, doesn't mean that once a gig in sociology opens up they'll hand it to some adventurous blogger who knows the real deal on society. Some degrees clearly have no financial value, but they are still totally necessary for pursuing professional degrees, which laymen have no chanc of obtaining.

In major cities and in certain fields, tons of successful people teach. They do this either because they enjoy it, or because the field itself isn't profitable for most, like theater or writing or visual art. This is a total double standard, because its like saying all the people that havn't gone to college but genuinely know things, if they arn't making bank with it than they are also unsuccessful and unqualified to teach anything or be respected in any way.

I don't think you are missing out on that one. If I'm trying honey I usually just dab my finger into the thick stuff, and it that small ammount still tastes funky to me with meat. It might potentially be the brand and whether its truly unheated, or just the fact that it is honey, so I would still encourage you to test out the other carbs. Might have to wait on cherries and figs though.

Often, you'll need a doc to interpret the results, as its like a bunch of random numbers. Be really specific with any questions, as if something is just remotely acceptable they might just say 'good'.

Yeah, I usually have no digestive issues other than this bout, and the occasional nausea/loss of appetite which might be indicative of something or other, but no undigested matter, discomfort or belching/gas. *shrugs* As for the long-timers thing. I agree. Also I think fundamentally even if RAF is indeed the best diet to maintain health, for some either other tools might be needed with the diet to create it, or other tools are needed before one continues with the diet if they are too compromised (which makes little intellectual sense as other than CW, raw is supposed to be easier on the body than cooked)

As for loosely interpreting, I was merely saying that I can see the appeal of such over eating a diet of just lightly cooked red meats which is cut and dry inferior to raw (even if the cooked version might work better for some). Wearas at least with PB one can claim (traditionally) the variety of plant and animal sources etc and the social flexibility to some degree as healthful... Although when I briefly was following PB, everything others were eating seemed like almost SAD type habits, and I was already trying to target any fungal issues so I was basically just eating grass-fed meat, fish, poached eggs, and vegetables. I wasn't really getting any other fat so I got back into raw dairy, and that didn't mix well with cooked, and the diet was already so limited and I really dislike cooking - especially more than once a day - so I just went back to raw.

I've noticed on the Dirty Carnivore site that alot of the people doing cooked, arn't really doing a whole lot in terms of added fats, However I havn't spent much time there. Would you say this is accurate?

I think if one is not thriving, eventually yeah there is going to be some fuck it type mentality. But also if one is doing fine they might not be as anal about things.

I'm still preparing meals for others and don't have any real cravings, made chicken tonight, and ended up just eating a a few little ounces of raw beef instead. So from an outsider I think that would probably look a lot more distorted than succumbing to some chocolate covered fruit.

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THt is alot of suet! I think ordering fat is really going to be the only option for me to staying on the diet 100%.

Have you ever been checked for hypothoroidism? Do you have cold hands or feet often?

yeah, I get pretty extensive medical tests done every so often, and just had em done a few weeks ago. According to them my thyroid is in good shape, same with kidneys and b-12 (which used to be a problem). My body temp seems to be pretty much on the warm side (well actually low compared to 98.6, but I mean feeling warm when others arn't), this was definitely a new experience with the chills. For awhile it seemed my circulation wasn't so great (limbs falling asleep here and there) but I havn't noticed that in recent weeks either.

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Just had a few oz of fatty chuck, that was about all I could take. :/