Raw whole coconut has too much of a laxative effect for me to be able to consume enough of its fat and carbs to give me the maximum benefits that I recieve from eatting the butter. I am very much on board with the philosophy that{ in general} paleo foods in their whole unprocessed state are optimal. But from personal experience I must contend that the coconut butter is better.

(at least for me)

how much is enough? did you have the pecans and raisins waiting to tell you? the durian?

paleo man knew nothing about fats and carbs

or how to open jars

you eat processed food with every meal thus confuse your body when eat whole coconut

Paleo man would buy 5-6 coconuts..eat part of a coconut, get diarrhea and throw the rest in the garbage..and then call on the phone and get lean section animals to eat then eat figs. all natural unprocessed and sustainable.

another 'simple' dumbell routine


All exercises with a 41 lb dumbell:

-as many single arm overhead squats and bicep curls to failure on each arm then:
burpees : 15 x 3
after each set of burpees - as many single arm overhead squats and bicep curls to failure on each arm then:

dumbbell 'swings' with one arm x 15 x 3
after each set of swings - as many single arm overhead squats and bicep curls to failure on each arm




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burpees tend to suck a bunch of energy..was panting through alot of this and had to take a few short breaks more than the usual
16 min.

did roughly 3-4 squats and 5-7 curls on each arm

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 pullups and some high jumps would probably round this out as a great 'stay in shape' non-gym workout

thanks I'll try it out. I assume you find these digest better?

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The requirements for protein may indeed be low, this is certainly a debated subject.


Its a good sign you are putting on weight and muscle. One thing is that you can find veg folks and even vegans who can build muscle on vegetable amino acids, this is true, but its surmised that animal protein (like animal fat) provide components necessary for all kinds of internal processes (and healing) etc.. that are not present even when getting these macro-nutrients adequately from plant foods

Perhaps some folks here have suggestions on how to better digest animal protein with your conditions. I agree sometimes you don't want to mess with what is working..but you want to consider long term needs as well. I would recommend at least a few days a week with more animal proteins. IMO someone like Nora Gedgaudas recommends what is likely the low end for protein consumption. Below even that seems risky long term.

interesting the sourdough works well for your IBS. How long have you been doing that combination?

Where do you get your protein??


hehe

The writing seems good. I think the 'what I eat' bothers me somewhat with 2.2 things listed. Sorta like the 'I eat Pemmican!" blogs. I can see reason for really restricted diets (particularly ruminant diets_ if they can provide much of the necessary nutrients while avoiding possibly problematic foods..but what is the reason here for eschewing muscle and organ meat when eating kidney fat? It says you did 100% raw paleo and primal diet. What were your experiences?

how do you ferment your egg-whites?

kd

knock the rust off

Total of 300 squats today plus 2500 this month...2800 for September (+800 for the month).

youre stainless steel dude.

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Did another modified CF-like single weight workout

All exercises with a 41 lb dumbell:

-as many overhead squats and bicep curls to failure then:
back bridges x 10 x 3
after each - as many overhead squats and bicep curls to failure then:

dumbbell 'swings' with one arm x 10 x 3
after each - as many overhead squats and bicep curls to failure

pendlay-type row with the dumbbell to failure
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I have it so the weight is a little heavy for me for the single arm OHS but its too light for the swings and curls.

What kind of microorganisms should be in high-meat? Can any type of meat, organ or muscle be used to make high-meat? Does it have to be sealed like in a glass jar..? Would it be best to put it in salt-water like with sauerkraut? What should high-meat look and smell like..? Could someone experienced with high-meat tell me if there are any types of meat which don't work? I've tried to hang kidneys, and also inner skirt of beef, and they don't dry out like most muscle meat does, some parts stay moist, those parts become really nasty smelling/tasting and it spreads across the dry parts too... Smells/tastes bad.. Similarly, perhaps there are also some meats which do not work for high-meat as well..

I have a bad gut micro-organism balance and I want to sort it out so I want to make some good pro-biotic foods. I'm going to make a load of sauerkraut, but I'm wondering about high-meat as well.

I don't know the first answer but I can give a go to the rest. My belief is in order to 'culture' something its going to have to be in a controlled environment...like the jar. With hanging and ageing meat, it will break down of course but without knowing too much of the details - has to be somewhat different as a process. Alot of the traditional methods allowed for some kind of inclosure/festering so to speak with some system of airflow to refresh the system. Of course in nature an animal will just rot but even this I imagine is different in results to 'modern' high-meats which is more akin to 'medicine' - thus man-made quantities/types of stuff.

the lacto-fermentation of sauerkraut or kimchi is indeed different..but just as an analogy..no rotting cabbage will produce sauerkraut.

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I have some organs going for the first time but havn't eaten anything but heart that way in the past. I think rawzi has made them out of nearly everything?

I have fish going now. tastes and smells almost entirely like feces, somehow not in a bad way. err somehow not in a super-bad way. Some fridge settings have impeded me in the past personally - resulting in condensation and other poor conditions

if you are looking for a quicker probiotic, kefir or yogurt (even pasteruized) do indeed work in a pinch. Relatively small amounts in temporary fashion might be enough. Regardless of ones opinions on dairy foods, it is not true that these do not aid in meat/fruit diets.

the rust

ha

I think its been discussed on the forum here that the different kinds of marrow: buttery, liquidy, crumbly..are more to do with different parts of the bone. That my impression anyway. I know Slankers for instance has a wide variety of textures etc...

its also interesting that Slankers has a pretty visible profile of being all grass-fed but personally the meat (beef anyway) tastes way worse than most other grass-fed beef. Being frozen doesn't help but the local beef here which is required to be frozen always tastes way superior as does fresh WF beef. Their pork is pretty fantastic tho.

For years as a vegan, raw, and eating raw animal foods I had dreams of 'bad foods' etc..often these were clearly foods that had very little nutrtion and were more often things I hadn't eaten in years or even decades even before those dietary changes. Now i'm one to belive in dietary cravings as possible* indicators of nutrtional needs but more inclined after experience to say that more likely these are some kind of physical/psychological processing - or to possibly lower my credibly - some kind of detox of such things on a physical level that gets processed in dreams.

The testosterone thing - being a more objective observation - would be more something to pay attention to but this could very well be transitional. There are so many criticisms against LC/ZC these days that one can seek out if they wish. You hear alot of this talk and often the people will admit to never going through what most people successful* have accepted as challanging transition periods. There is certainly alot of room for feeling crappy all around on such diets for long periods. I hate saying this, as this can possibly not be the case for the individual and there may be legitimate issues with the diet and also this logic can be used to support any diet like high fruit diets or veganism etc...

It does seem worth putting out that alot of people have "honeymoon" stories with LC then start getting into deeper conflicts that perhaps were always there and begin being sorted out on such a diet. Often when you look at what or how these naysayers were actually eating..this tells its own story too

Anyway. you could certainly hedge your bets by eating small ammounts of nutritionally dense carbs. Possibly adding more (but still low) after adjustment to reach the full benefits of such a diet and tweak other nutritonal needs. Most of the justifications that seem more solid - to me - for a mostly carb excluded diet seem to have to deal with healing a modern persons' problems rather than a diet we necessarily ate in nature that consisted of meat alone, but the precedents are certainly there especially for what mostly RAW diets are actually present in nature with others often being far more speculative actually. There does seem to be some legitimate arguments that we would not crave sweet foods at all had we weened and eaten very little processed sugars, and with very little natural sugars as to maintain that fat burning metabolism that truly - from my experience- does not have cravings or even many desires...at least on a extreme level that would mean going off a deep end of sorts. There does seem to be some tipping point in VLC/LC particularly with the types of carbs (sugary, cooked etc..) that WILL lead to more cravings and general desires where less palatable but equally high carb sources will not. GO FIGURE!?

Personally I imagine going from a standard diet to a RAW low carb diet would have been terribly difficult. going vegan actually seemed for me to be a huge component in shaving off certain foods and that seems to be the same for alot of other people. Adhering to a strict all raw diet at times seems often also necesary.

Generally, I think if someone is not able to eat a piece of fruit or some cooked starch here and there without some kind of localized binge or getting off track entirely on the diet, this shows some kind of physical/emtional 'acculturation' as you say to food, but this goes often particulary for sugar burning (even all raw) dieters as well. In fact this is so ubiquitous that its not really worth stressing about. If I can present an ideal it seems like after one is on a healthy diet generally they become emotionally stable and don't eat for pleasure or entertainment, but will eat for such on occasion as part of that balance.

In the new products list I got in November, a source for raw cocoa beans is listed.  I understood AV didn't recommend any chocolate at all, instead carob is a substitute.  Does anyone know if he has changed his stance on that?

   He doesn't usually recommend onions or garlic either or a number of other "foods", but every once in a while he recommends something unusual to someone.  I get this perspective from talking with many primal dieters who have personal diet plans from him, one at a time.  Maybe cocoa beans are on the list; because he has recommended cocoa as some type of treatment to a couple.

Right. There is a huge difference between promoting a product as health forming and saying something can function as a specific tool for particular conditions or just simply be a minor vice in moving along on a health path. If someone is bit by a snake, it makes very little reason to fuss over toxic properties of the antidote. Seems to me the essence of AV's teachings are less pressing versions of this concept..using foods and larger aspects of diet ( fat burning etc..) to heal problems and remove compounds that were non existent in nature and go beyond the scope of a traditional diet.
 
To my knowledge cacao is seen more or less as toxic by AV but so is any kind of cooking or most processing pretty much unilaterally as well, despite popping up here and there in recomendations. People dwell on Aajonuis mention of breads and cooked starches and some of these appear on those product lists. So what?
 
What it comes down to is certain things are ultimately not important in the context of doing the crucial steps for increased health, and part of the whole point of what makes Aajonus approach unique is its emphasis on tools and processes indifferent to what can be simplistically labeled as "natural" as these approaches did not work for either him or his clients over decades of practice.
 
By and large he is against powders, oils and almost all heating and processing, but the things that happen to be (in his opinion) exceptions from such things are based on objective analysis of what works for a modern person..and not about blanket theories of good or bad. Oils, juices, and blenderized things feature sometimes even prominently. The big truth is these things can work to balance or nurture in ways that other foods cannot and should not be defacto criticized without actual analysis of the results.

Because, unlike with other dietary gurus, his advice has (sometimes though not all the time) proven very useful to people as regards improving their health.

Mostly people seem to react unnecessarily negatively to what are basically specific suggestions for people with extreme conditions...so if they don't work or arn't necessary on the individual level people are always free to eat whole foods and disregard such things. Often times maybe these thigns do lack evidence or are just plan wrong, at least on their indiviodual level, but if it works for one person its worth having an open mind. In my analysis, what is more obvious is more often than not people ARE NOT honest about what level of health these 'purist' decisions bring and will for whatever reason hold on to theories about what should be best. Since there is no pretention of following a diet that is completely natural in Primal Diet, just that basic understanding and flexibility presents a far more healthful mindset while following the necessary steps to get well - steps which coincidentally can easily be skipped entirely on many interpretations of a raw whole foods diet..hence vegan interpretations etc...Of course any extreme diet -primal or purists - can also lead to obsessions over doing the 'right' thing, and AV is probably very responsible for that in some ways.
 
In a nutshell, people miss the whole point as to what factors and important process are for healing. A little even knowingly toxic (if that turns to be the case) chocolate is far more healthful than diets that don't specifically tackle disease, no matter how 'natural" or raw.
 

Yeah, chocolate is definitely both paleo and raw...  

Was this bumped for some relevant reason? non-raw and non-paleo discussions are allowed on this board and in this sub-forum.

Its possible to process 100% raw cacao, its just rarely done as it is not profitable and its effortless to label most processing raw and get away with it. Certainly the cacao fruit/nut is far more ancient/paleo than a kiwi, broccoli etc..

Today:

Warmup: 750 k row

Skill: In 10 min Accumulate 3 min of L-sit time and BS warmup

Lift: EVERY MINUTE ON THE MINUTE for 10 ROUNDS:
Back Squat @ BW (160LB) x 5 = 50 full weighted squats

WORKOUT:
Run 800 meters then

4 Rounds of the couplet:
7 Hang Squat Cleans (95lb)
14 Ring Dips

then run another 800 meters

16:02


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZ7y89mn6z8

welcome laece

theres alot of talk that goes around here that might seem strange at first...but I'm sure you will be able to find whatever you can apply to your life..and then ditch the rest...

IMO getting off most industrial foods is a huge step and one that should lead to an increase in health. raw food for me is simply a more sophisticated part of the tool set to getting healthier or finding health that seemed unavailable otherwise.

- raw animals including raw animal internal organs and raw fat, raw blood, raw meat - including aquatic creatures and others
- raw organic / wild fruit in season
- raw organic vegetables

heh heh..might want to leave out the blood for the first timers..no one really is consuming much of that stuff here anyway

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