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8,000 Years Ago, 17 Women Reproduced for Every One Man
« on: March 19, 2015, 10:15:30 pm »


8,000 Years Ago, 17 Women Reproduced for Every One Man
An analysis of modern DNA uncovers a rough dating scene after the advent of agriculture.

    Francie Diep
    Mar 18, 2015

Once upon a time, 4,000 to 8,000 years after humanity invented agriculture, something very strange happened to human reproduction. Across the globe, for every 17 women who were reproducing, passing on genes that are still around today—only one man did the same.

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Another member of the research team, a biological anthropologist, hypothesizes that somehow, only a few men accumulated lots of wealth and power, leaving nothing for others. These men could then pass their wealth on to their sons, perpetuating this pattern of elitist reproductive success. Then, as more thousands of years passed, the numbers of men reproducing, compared to women, rose again. "Maybe more and more people started being successful," Wilson Sayres says.


In more recent history, as a global average, about four or five women reproduced for every one man.


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My comment: Look guys... if you haven't yet impregnated your 4 or 5 women... you are BELOW the global average.  ;D

I was corrected by someone... if you are a man and have impregnated 4 to 5 women... you are an amazing STUD. (I got my math wrong, sorry.)
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Re: 8,000 Years Ago, 17 Women Reproduced for Every One Man
« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2021, 06:30:14 am »
Here is a link to the article

https://psmag.com/environment/17-to-1-reproductive-success

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pdf of article attached.

I believe this is so important, I tell this story to my children.
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Re: 8,000 Years Ago, 17 Women Reproduced for Every One Man
« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2021, 07:41:00 am »
I was corrected by someone... if you are a man and have impregnated 4 to 5 women... you are an amazing STUD. (I got my math wrong, sorry.)

All societies that became prosperous did so via the introduction of monogamy and nuclear family structures. That means, one man, one woman. What good is impregnating 5 women if all your kids grow up to be less successful, because you didn't have time to raise them well? Instead, have 5 kids with the same woman, and you have much better odds.

If you live in a backwards, socialist society that is based on stealing and leeching, it can temporarily make sense to play that game, but as soon as the society reverts to normalcy, that strategy is doomed, and so are those who have been taught to pursue it.
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Re: 8,000 Years Ago, 17 Women Reproduced for Every One Man
« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2021, 03:08:22 pm »
Only stupid people reproduce. Reproduction is the root of all evil.
Pumping out units, I mean kids, aka bringing innocent beings into this ‘heavenly’ dimension of misery, suffering, struggling, pain and DEATH, WITHOUT THEIR PERMISSION/CONSENT, is NOT the solution/remedy/cure for your personal problems/issues such as: boredom, poverty, selfishness, loneliness, low IQ, **megalomania, shallowness, emptiness, vanity, hero complex syndrome, narcissism, virtue signalling syndrome. Please stop being a sadist, masochist and find a more useful/constructive hobby. 😉

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Re: 8,000 Years Ago, 17 Women Reproduced for Every One Man
« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2021, 06:40:55 am »
Only stupid people reproduce. Reproduction is the root of all evil.

Maybe in a country where stupid people are fed for free by the state... welfare... that may be the case.

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I look at this study from this angle:

- majority of women only desire to reproduce with the top 20% of males
- the majority of women dismiss the notion of monogamy and will not decide to mate with a male solely on the premise that he is a BACHELOR
- the bottom 80% of men have not been reproducing... for plenty of generations.

Women are the soil, men provide seeds.

It's like planting fruit trees, when you eat an amazing, wonderful fruit such as durian or avocado, humans will desire to plant the seeds from such a delicious fruit.

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Re: 8,000 Years Ago, 17 Women Reproduced for Every One Man
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2021, 01:11:28 pm »
Maybe in a country where stupid people are fed for free by the state... welfare... that may be the case.

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I look at this study from this angle:

- majority of women only desire to reproduce with the top 20% of males
- the majority of women dismiss the notion of monogamy and will not decide to mate with a male solely on the premise that he is a BACHELOR
- the bottom 80% of men have not been reproducing... for plenty of generations.

Women are the soil, men provide seeds.

It's like planting fruit trees, when you eat an amazing, wonderful fruit such as durian or avocado, humans will desire to plant the seeds from such a delicious fruit.

Haha, total BS you just  wrote there... just make children, the beast system needs fresh meat, aka children, as toys/tools.

Very smart.
Pumping out units, I mean kids, aka bringing innocent beings into this ‘heavenly’ dimension of misery, suffering, struggling, pain and DEATH, WITHOUT THEIR PERMISSION/CONSENT, is NOT the solution/remedy/cure for your personal problems/issues such as: boredom, poverty, selfishness, loneliness, low IQ, **megalomania, shallowness, emptiness, vanity, hero complex syndrome, narcissism, virtue signalling syndrome. Please stop being a sadist, masochist and find a more useful/constructive hobby. 😉

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Re: 8,000 Years Ago, 17 Women Reproduced for Every One Man
« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2021, 03:17:30 pm »
I'm a hands on father, brother.
Been aware of the NWO for more than 20 years.
So my children grow up... different... better.
We will inherit this earth.  Good people have to reproduce.
Make this world a better place.
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Re: 8,000 Years Ago, 17 Women Reproduced for Every One Man
« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2021, 10:28:01 pm »

I look at this study from this angle:

- majority of women only desire to reproduce with the top 20% of males
- the majority of women dismiss the notion of monogamy and will not decide to mate with a male solely on the premise that he is a BACHELOR
- the bottom 80% of men have not been reproducing... for plenty of generations.

Women are the soil, men provide seeds.

It's like planting fruit trees, when you eat an amazing, wonderful fruit such as durian or avocado, humans will desire to plant the seeds from such a delicious fruit.

You are forgetting that reproduction in a human society is not simply about having the best genes, but having the best environment to raise your kids in. If 10 women all have babies with the same man, who is going to provide, help feed, clothe, teach, raise their kids? They either have to do it all by themselves, or they have to find another man who will do this for them while neglecting his own biological prerogative to reproduce, or they have to rely on a state apparatus that steals from men who don't reproduce, in order to give to the babies of those men that do.

In either of all these examples, the quality of the childraising will be much poorer than in a stable, traditional, nuclear family structure. If the woman has to provide for her children all by herself, she is much more likely to be poor and to not have the time to properly teach and raise her children. If she relies on a beta male to help do this but not reproduce, he's more likely to be resentful and mistreat the children, or simply be incompetent and do a poor job at raising them. If she relies on the State... Well, the State wants something in return, and what they want is to turn her children into state worshipping zombies.

Furthermore, the genes that are "best" under a situation of widespread monogamy, are different to those that are best under a situation of widespread polygamy. For example, a woman who only sees men as a sperm bank, may not be interested in the man's capacity for love, bonding, teaching, caring, protecting, or providing. She will simply look for biological markers of sexual attraction, which, interestingly enough, may not even signal good health or chance of survival.

Finally, you are forgetting about what happens to all of the men who can't find a mate in your polygamous society. They will be much more likely to be violently aggressive, to generate chaos in general.They simply have much less to lose than a man who has a stable mate that is bonded to him for life. This also affects women, who will feel lonely and in despair when they're all alone with their children and no man wants to stay with them for more than a night or two of mating, and this will impair the woman's ability to nurture and care for her children, also. But the effect is clearly much worse for males, which also have a greater capacity for harming others in the society, and not just their own families.

A society such as this is much worse for everybody, for the women, for the men at the top, for those at the bottom, and especially for the children and future generations. It's not an accident that, like I mentioned in my previous post, all societies that became prosperous did so by introducing monogamy and nuclear family structures, and the extent to which they became prosperous is directly proportional to the extent to which the society was able to achieve a widespread and faithful implementation of this model.
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Re: 8,000 Years Ago, 17 Women Reproduced for Every One Man
« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2023, 05:18:27 pm »
You are forgetting that reproduction in a human society is not simply about having the best genes, but having the best environment to raise your kids in. If 10 women all have babies with the same man, who is going to provide, help feed, clothe, teach, raise their kids? They either have to do it all by themselves, or they have to find another man who will do this for them while neglecting his own biological prerogative to reproduce, or they have to rely on a state apparatus that steals from men who don't reproduce, in order to give to the babies of those men that do.

In either of all these examples, the quality of the childraising will be much poorer than in a stable, traditional, nuclear family structure. If the woman has to provide for her children all by herself, she is much more likely to be poor and to not have the time to properly teach and raise her children. If she relies on a beta male to help do this but not reproduce, he's more likely to be resentful and mistreat the children, or simply be incompetent and do a poor job at raising them. If she relies on the State... Well, the State wants something in return, and what they want is to turn her children into state worshipping zombies.

Furthermore, the genes that are "best" under a situation of widespread monogamy, are different to those that are best under a situation of widespread polygamy. For example, a woman who only sees men as a sperm bank, may not be interested in the man's capacity for love, bonding, teaching, caring, protecting, or providing. She will simply look for biological markers of sexual attraction, which, interestingly enough, may not even signal good health or chance of survival.

Finally, you are forgetting about what happens to all of the men who can't find a mate in your polygamous society. They will be much more likely to be violently aggressive, to generate chaos in general.They simply have much less to lose than a man who has a stable mate that is bonded to him for life. This also affects women, who will feel lonely and in despair when they're all alone with their children and no man wants to stay with them for more than a night or two of mating, and this will impair the woman's ability to nurture and care for her children, also. But the effect is clearly much worse for males, which also have a greater capacity for harming others in the society, and not just their own families.

A society such as this is much worse for everybody, for the women, for the men at the top, for those at the bottom, and especially for the children and future generations. It's not an accident that, like I mentioned in my previous post, all societies that became prosperous did so by introducing monogamy and nuclear family structures, and the extent to which they became prosperous is directly proportional to the extent to which the society was able to achieve a widespread and faithful implementation of this model.

Where is this mythical Monogamous society you speak of?

There are none.

Did you understand what the study said?

From the older times of 1 to 17, to:

"In more recent history, as a global average, about four or five women reproduced for every one man."

Laws were made to push monogamy, but...

Humans do not reproduce monogamously... the genetic studies do not show it.  Genetic statistics show humans to be polygamous.


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Re: 8,000 Years Ago, 17 Women Reproduced for Every One Man
« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2023, 11:07:53 pm »
Where is this mythical Monogamous society you speak of?

There are none.

Did you understand what the study said?

From the older times of 1 to 17, to:

"In more recent history, as a global average, about four or five women reproduced for every one man."

Laws were made to push monogamy, but...

Humans do not reproduce monogamously... the genetic studies do not show it.  Genetic statistics show humans to be polygamous.

All of western european, Most eastern european, as well as Chinese and Japanese societies, were all founded on the basis of the monogamous nuclear family structure. The same was the case for all of the overseas colonies that became successful. Of the major religions, only one condones polygamy, and it's precisely the one which is most prevalent in countries that became underdeveloped for many centuries, until recent events turned the tides for only some of them. There would simply be no modern science, technology, and there would only be scarce writing and communication without monogamy. World population would be at most 10% of what it is today.

In the civilized world, everything that is good derives from private property, which relies on monogamous nuclear family structures to function.

Over the past century, and particularly over the past 50 years, the world, and the west in particular, is experiencing a process of de-civilization. That is why you see monogamy being eroded more and more, just as health and everything else is being degraded, polluted, corrupted and destroyed.

Whether paleo people lived monogamously or not is irrelevant, because we don't live in that world anymore. There are good reasons why things changed once we started to develop civilization. The paleo health experience is about undestanding what made them healthy, but a healthy body, and a healthy society, can be very different things at different times.

Today, polygamy only generates war, sickness, poverty, death and despair. With the very real possibility that it could end all human life as we know it. It's one of the main driving forces of the most dangerous thing for humanity. With great power, comes great responsibility. Paleo people were not powerful. Civilized people are. Different times, different needs.
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Re: 8,000 Years Ago, 17 Women Reproduced for Every One Man
« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2024, 05:20:12 am »
Monogamy is, if thinking in terms of game theory for quality of family life, the optimal solution for society: most players win with this model with minimal harm.

However, if thinking in terms of nature, polygamy is better suited.
Polygamy is if our natural instincts are allowed to play out. The best genetics reproduce the most. So more and more children are born either beautiful, clever, athletic, or all of the above. Generations born of polygamy are more likely to be chosen as mates because they simply have better genes. I believe this is true even in the event that their upbringing was insufficient due to a lack of a father.

Monogamy allows for more men to reproduce sure, but then the quality of human genes is lowered. This is made even worse by arranged marriages where even the worst genes are allowed to pass on.

In a polygamous context, the best males reproduce so that as generations go on, the genetic stock is improved. I do not know the limit to this, but it's easy to imagine the percentage of attractive, desirable people would greatly increase. So in a way, this is the better solution as more people are born as attractive, and able.

The polygamous male to female ratio of reproduction is at its worst (smallest) when there are few attractive men and many average or unattractive males caused by monogamy being forced for too long. The male to female ratio of reproduction is at its best (closest to 1:1) when more people in a society are attractive, healthy, with good genetics. So in perfect fashion, nature almost selects for monogamy if played out perfectly. To prevent genetics from deteriorating over generations, I believe a primarily raw diet is important as is the avoidance of unnatural medicine most notably vaccines which are especially potent at corrupting genetics.



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Re: 8,000 Years Ago, 17 Women Reproduced for Every One Man
« Reply #11 on: May 10, 2024, 06:51:32 pm »
MONOGAMY DOOM.

DEPOPULATION DOOM.

Can be explained by this maniacal enforcement of MONOGAMY.

I think it is 2023-2024 when the entire world found out that there is a DEPOPULATION DOOM.

100 koreans today (50 men and 50 women)

will result in only having some 5-6 great grand children in 100 years.

My next reply I will explain.
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Re: 8,000 Years Ago, 17 Women Reproduced for Every One Man
« Reply #12 on: May 10, 2024, 07:02:28 pm »
https://youtu.be/g6CRs7zmjs0?si=2bq6rVqh5QSmfWtm
(click to view and listen to Paul Joseph Watson)

South Korea and Japan opening up to immigration because their depopulation crisis seems terminal.

Once again I point to enforced MONOGAMY (+ contraception, abortion, food and water poisoning) as the leading CULPRIT of this massive terminal depopulation.

(See my photographic sketch with my fingers below, attached to this reply.)

You cannot rely on only the top 20% of women to be reproducing for the entirety of the civilization.  Enforcing monogamy has meant that the bottom 80% of women are contracepting aborting not reproducing.

You cannot FORCE women to reproduce with the bottom 80% of men.  All you monogamy pushers should open your eyes to this reality instead of blaming DESIRABLE MEN.

"In more recent history, as a global average, about four or five women reproduced for every one man."


We are not descended from ( 1 man to 1 woman ) = monogamy has always been fiction that the world is aspiring for with disastrous results.  Muslims are correct in their recounting of history, the top men of ancient times were hoarding all the women, and Islam codified to LIMIT the hoarding of women to 1 man to 4 women.

MONOGAMY or BUST has been the mantra the past decades and plenty of women  are choosing BUST.  The fertility rates of below 2.1 or even below 1.0 underneath the numbers are more and more women having ZERO children.  Why?  They cannot get top CHAD to marry them in monogamy.

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