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That is just about the most airheaded article I have ever read. Even having the scantily dressed young ladies on the side bar does not make it worthwhile to read.
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Fair comment. I was merely pointing out that specific raw foods are not that important re health and that the quality of the raw food is way more important re human health than the type of food. I take it you are a fan of raw superfoods like goji berries etc.?
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The article is a bunch of mainstream nutritional nonsense, radical anti-human environmentalism and global socialism. Don't read it. And my opinion of the article has nothing to do with my views on those foods. They could be talking about soy milk and vegan burgers or pizza and soft drinks for all I care, it's still garbage.
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Fair comment. I was merely pointing out that specific raw foods are not that important re health and that the quality of the raw food is way more important re human health than the type of food. I take it you are a fan of raw superfoods like goji berries etc.?
I spoke too quickly. I just planted some goji berries actually, as I have eaten a few every morning for years. They are in the first year so are about a meter high, and I put them too close to the artichoke plant which is about 3 metres high, so it's a bit drowned out.

I did not read the article in depth so assumed it was just dumping on the latest superfoods. I agree that quality of foods is way may important than whether it is designated as perfect.

It is possible to grow a lot in my area and so I try to eat local.

When you read any books on food or nutrition the authors will tend to go overboard, but really it's a matter of taste. As far as the bit about fat that was a bit of a joke. I love fat. The more the merrier. It's good for me, whereas a Mars bar is kryptonite.

What I did like was the bit about where these things come from and the fact that realistically it's just another United Fruit company ie slave plantation. If I do get them I try to get the organic ones but who really knows how they are raised.

My youngest daughter is big on superfoods and is a raw vegan for the most part.
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I really need to start that market garden I previously thought of  in the next few years. Most here  on RPF  seem to be raising their own chickens, growing their own veg and have at least some sort of big backyard of their own. I am just not authentically Rawpalaeo enough..
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I really need to start that market garden I previously thought of  in the next few years. Most here  on RPF  seem to be raising their own chickens, growing their own veg and have at least some sort of big backyard of their own. I am just not authentically Rawpalaeo enough..

TD, enough with the generalizations! You're going to give yourself an inferiority complex.

I read the same posts that you read, and there has been nothing to suggest that "most here... seem to be raising their own chickens, growing their own veg and have at least some sort of big backyard of their own." I can think of a few who do, but I can't stretch those few into most without going far, far into a deluded state.

At my previous house, I had been growing greens in four 12" pots. This being California, where most homes have fruit trees, there was also an orange tree in the back yard. I should say: the orange tree WAS the back yard. (Orange trees are not all that big.)

This past weekend, my family and I moved to an inner-city house. I have a bare, sunny, south-facing yard that is 15' square. That's 0.00516529 acre!  There's already a mature lemon tree espaliered along the side of the house. I've started a straw-bale garden on the backyard space, and I'll plant some semi-dwarf fruit trees this winter. I have over 60 years of gardening experience, so I know how to produce food anywhere; I'll probably grow all our fresh fruits and vegetables here if I swap fruit-in-season with the neighbors (fig, apple, citrus, nopales, avocadoes, etc).

Winter is coming. Why not plan a garden for next spring. First step: learn what food plants grow in your climate and your space. Step two: select one or two of those plants and learn when/how to grow. Step three: proceed when it's time to plant. I've seen tiny apartment balcony gardens trellised with tomatoes and cucumbers, enough for a family plus give-away.

And don't forget to plan for livestock (maggots). Remember that Daily Mail drivel you posted about the paleo living simulation? The woman complained of maggots everywhere, not realizing that she was looking at lunch!

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Re: More evidence that raw superfoods are useless/environmentally-damaging etc.
« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2016, 03:03:42 am »
Things are not always as easy as they seem. For example, I live in a 1st floor flat(3rd floor in US terms). If I were  lucky  and had a 4th(top-floor) flat I might be able to grow a small vegetable patch on the roof like some do. Now, in Kiev, for example, due to former Communist practices, families there all seem to have their own little mini-garden just outside the city, where they can raise chickens etc.

I do have a garden in a family holiday home abroad, but since I visit it only c. 2weeks a year, it is not somewhere I can practice regular gardening. As regards other RVAFers, I was referring to key ones I have known since 2002 on this and other RVAF forums. Many do indeed report raising their own chickens or plants or whatever, however small-time that might be.

There are other issues. If I had a house and a barn, For example, I could more easily indulge in raising some "high-meat"  out of sight and out of mind of cooked-food-eaters. If I were to do that here in the fridge, my visitors would scream bloody murder, as some are hypersensitive to that sort of thing.
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Re: More evidence that raw superfoods are useless/environmentally-damaging etc.
« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2016, 07:28:31 am »
It always impresses me when I see PPL living in the middle of a city with a small yard growing food. A friend of the family has a 10 by 15 foot backyard and three or four chickens on it. Some PPL have a garden that flows out to the sidewalk. Our local city council asked us if anyone would put a beehive on top of city hall and that is not uncommon on the island. This is hippie central.

We live on the outside edge of a small city. A friend helped me complete (today) a 7 foot by 19 foot greenhouse, using used sliding patio glass doors as the walls and the glass from same, covering the roof. I plan to run our roof rainwater out to it for watering, although water here is not a problem. It is practically a rainforest here compared to the rest of Canada. We only get snow maybe one day a year or not at all and last winter we had none. There is a lot of Brits living here Tyler as well as expats from over Europe. The climate is similar, but less populated.

I heard that there is a breed of lemons that will grow here, but you have to cover it over during the coldest nights of the year, but my friend gets lemons from it. We cover the figs but after a few years you don't have to apparently. We have peaches, figs, pears, apples, cherries, prune plums, raspberries, grapes and soon gojis. Even tho the honeybees didn't make it through last winter (my fault) we got mason bees in the spring, so they did an amazing job on the pears and apples. Peaches and cherries were a medium crop, last year we were drowning in peaches and pears with our honeybees. The figs are amazing. Always lots of prune plums. The grapes are in too shady an area to do much. We just got some thornless blackberries. I also harvest the rosebuds for vitamin C and I save the peach and prune pits and break them open for the B17

I also did a few things like milk thistle for the seeds (Cleans and repairs the liver), coriander seeds, potatoes, celery, tomatoes, Daikon radish, swiss chard, kale, carrots etc but each thing was generally only in small quantities. The chickens would dig up any visible soil for the worms and kill the young plants. Next year we will be better organized. Everything just grows like crazy here including weeds.

Unfortunately either a raccoon or an eagle/hawk or a weasel got our three chickens, so next year when the garden is better protected from them, we will get some again.

Our life is certainly different than when we lived in the north.
« Last Edit: September 01, 2016, 07:34:28 am by raw-al »
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Re: More evidence that raw superfoods are useless/environmentally-damaging etc.
« Reply #9 on: September 01, 2016, 07:36:27 am »
The first year we were here we didn't have any bees so I went around with a small artists paint brush and pollinated them myself.  We had an awesome crop that year.
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Re: More evidence that raw superfoods are useless/environmentally-damaging etc.
« Reply #10 on: September 01, 2016, 08:14:33 am »
Tyler plz move to america and help me to grow the weed so we can afford to grow the best animals. I am not authentically raw paleo enough either.
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Re: More evidence that raw superfoods are useless/environmentally-damaging etc.
« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2016, 08:21:39 am »
Tyler plz move to america and help me to grow the weed so we can afford to grow the best animals. I am not authentically raw paleo enough either.
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where do you live?
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Re: More evidence that raw superfoods are useless/environmentally-damaging etc.
« Reply #12 on: September 01, 2016, 11:00:42 am »
wonder if "the weed" is considered a paleo super-food.....
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Re: More evidence that raw superfoods are useless/environmentally-damaging etc.
« Reply #13 on: September 01, 2016, 11:01:28 am »
Tyler plz move to america and help me to grow the weed so we can afford to grow the best animals. I am not authentically raw paleo enough either.
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Re: More evidence that raw superfoods are useless/environmentally-damaging etc.
« Reply #14 on: September 01, 2016, 04:51:34 pm »
Oregon. They are legalizing recreational half and full acre canopy unlimited number marijuana fields. This is probably the best time to invest as it is the grand opening of a brand new market and property values will likely skyrocket. All the nutes and amendments used to grow the ganja will grow dank pastures not to mention how much of a boon it will be competing against the other growers when we could be working with mountains of our own animal manure compost instead of physically buying soil like most of the ganja growers.

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Re: More evidence that raw superfoods are useless/environmentally-damaging etc.
« Reply #15 on: September 01, 2016, 06:31:03 pm »
wonder if "the weed" is considered a paleo super-food.....
http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/pakistan-cannabis-discovered-in-prehistoric-tomb/

http://www.ancient-wisdom.com/prehistoricdrugs.htm

Given that psychedelic substances were used so extensively in Palaeolithic times,  it is almost un-Palaeo not to use them regularly! Well, my dried magic truffles experiment seems to be slowly working. At stage 2, the best stage, it is supposed to add more "creativity". Somehow, I don't fancy stages 4 or 5.
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Re: More evidence that raw superfoods are useless/environmentally-damaging etc.
« Reply #16 on: September 02, 2016, 05:10:02 am »
i think the best use of the weed is always as hemp to generate top soil and as seed crop.   in terms of how humans can more directly but less fully benefit from it I think eating the leaves and young buds as a fresh herb, as well as juiced and using oil extracts topically and internally.  If anyone is looking to invest in land for such an enterprise roguefarmer and I are out here hoping to bring medicine to the people and start building soil.  I want to plant trees and shape landscapes with water and animals because I know this is how we start building the thriving forests we require to regain our ability to live in peace, community and abundance.  it truly is the best time to invest in those who are able to generate abundance in a way that creates thriving natural environments for all beings.  If anyone is interested in investing pm roguefarmer or myself, it's truly something beautiful we could all be participating in...

 

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