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Offline TylerDurden

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Re: Reminder Planet dying.
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2016, 05:21:42 pm »
This is a disaster. What annoys me is when some Westerners  complain only about the plight of  wildlife in 3rd world countries. They often fail to to realise that their own people have already wiped out most of their wildlife already here in Europe.  Some of the remaining nature-reserves in Europe are pathetically small. For example, I regularly go to the Vallees des Merveilles in southeastern France to look at the ancient rock-carvings and, if possible, see some wild animals. But most of the latter are absolutely terrified of humans so it is difficult to see them. What makes things worse is that the French government has an appalling habit of choosing areas for national parks which make it as difficult as possible for the animals to migrate from one wild area to another. For example, the Mercantour national park is mostly just a  long, very narrow strip against the Italian border, and the area of greatest size is allowed to be accessed by farmers with sheep and is full of tourists. One only has to look at the example of Czernobyl and Fukushima, where, as soon as humans evacuated the areas almost completely, the wildlife  erupted in numbers. The basic point being the sanctity of human life. If that were done away with, the environment could recover.
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Re: Reminder Planet dying.
« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2016, 05:40:28 pm »
The environment can recover in some places well but 2/3 of the land is drylands and heavily devastated and would take hundreds if not thousands of years of concentrated effort to restore.

The good news is there are still a lot of domesticated animals we can eat and raise and restore the landscape if raised consciously.

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« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2016, 08:31:21 pm »
I disagree. A lot of empty areas have been said to be easily and swiftly reforested as long as humans left the areas in question.
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« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2016, 12:29:53 pm »
That's only true for high rainfall areas. 2/3 of the land is dryland and does not simply rapidly regenerate.

If there is no large herbivores to consume tall grass it grows tall and yellow and burns at much hotter intensity. If there are no large herbivores there is little nutrient cycling and the nutrients are rapidly bound in the soil as it turns into virtual stone.
This is why Australia was known as the Continent of Fire when the white man first came there, because the large herbivores had long been rendered extinct.

The only solution as I have said is to use the livestock to mimic the large herds that have all but vanished.

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Re: Reminder Planet dying.
« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2016, 03:36:03 pm »
What I read about Australia suggested that the Aborigines started a whole load of fires which wiped away forests. Also, some scientists claimed that the reason for the inner Australia being  so full of desert was because the coastline's forests had been wiped out by humans. Damn, I can't find the relevant article....

I would not mind replacing cattle with prehistoric aurochs, sounds cool......
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Re: Reminder Planet dying.
« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2016, 05:58:45 pm »
The introduction of sheep and rabbits surely only worsened the problem. There used to be massive bipedal herbivorous marsupials in Australia that were presumably wiped out by humans, perhaps because due to the nature of some herbivores to be territorial and to fight humans for food crops in arid conditions... perhaps it was just the way of the people who first happened upon Australia and they only adapted to Australia after they had already devastated. Perhaps for some humans desert is our preferred habitat and it is natural for us to create it.

It has been long believed by many scientists that most if not all deserts are man made.

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« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2016, 01:49:04 am »
I don't know if I believe such research, and even if I do, I'm not sure if it's a problem.

This is completely unrelated to humanity's impact, but all I could think of was, look at all that wasted food! It's a pity that nobody is coming to pick up the meat.

https://www.mail.com/int/scitech/news/4572418-lightning-strike-kills-than-300-reindeer-norway.html
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