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Offline Gloominary

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Vegetables Overrated?
« on: August 15, 2017, 09:24:01 am »
Is there much point in even eating raw veg, or would you be better off just eating raw eggs, fish, meat and fruit?
Seems like veg, particularly raw veg is more of a supplementary food, or a starvation food, like if you have nothing else better to eat, than an essential food on a raw omnivore diet.
Seems like it's just a lot of chewing, gas, and little flavor.
What's the right fruit, veg, nut/seed, egg, meat ratio to eat in your opinion?

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Re: Vegetables Overrated?
« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2017, 07:44:49 pm »
No idea as everyone seems to have their own idea re ratios. After all, everybody is different, coming from different past health-problems incurred from eating cooked food diets. Just keep on experimenting and meanwhile maintaining as much quality as is feasible as regards your wallet/available  time/resources etc.

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Re: Vegetables Overrated?
« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2017, 11:22:46 am »
That makes sense.

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Re: Vegetables Overrated?
« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2017, 04:21:04 pm »
What's the right fruit, veg, nut/seed, egg, meat ratio to eat in your opinion?
The concept of "ratio" is unknown by animals and was certainly also unknown by hominids and even humans in paleolithic times! Follow your instinct and you'll probably find out that this "ratio" fluctuates according to your state at the moment.
Cause and effect are distant in time and space in complex systems, while at the same time there’s a tendency to look for causes near the events sought to be explained. Time delays in feedback in systems result in the condition where the long-run response of a system to an action is often different from its short-run response. — Ronald J. Ziegler

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Re: Vegetables Overrated?
« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2017, 01:53:12 am »
Speaking of listening to your body, my body is telling me either it doesn't like raw eggs, or it's had too many eggs recently, I ate 6 raw eggs yesterday, and 6 cooked eggs the day before.
I've been having a lot of gas lately.
Today I had one raw egg and immediately my stomach became inflamed with gas.
Next week I'm going to eat less raw eggs and see if it's the quantity or the rawness that's bugging me.
Perhaps there's an adjustment period for raw foods?
Or maybe some raw foods don't work for some people at some times?

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Re: Vegetables Overrated?
« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2017, 02:15:23 am »
Correct. I, for example, find that I stop absorbing raw eggs properly if I overdo their consumption.

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Re: Vegetables Overrated?
« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2017, 01:05:05 am »
If you really look at what chickens are eating ( including pasture raised ) you might be suspect of your issues.   Most of us here wouldn't consider eating feed lot beef.  Yet that is essentially the same condition chickens are raised in.  Gmo soy and corn are not proper or natural foods for chickens, let alone any animal ( they are mostly devoid of minerals and have very little essential fatty acid building materials.  And yes some will argue here.   And I say that they just haven't experienced the difference to actually know.  Or, they don't care because they believe that they can't afford to pay the difference.    I don't know how to express this any better.  Most chicken eggs are crap, especially when eaten.

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Re: Vegetables Overrated?
« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2017, 03:54:21 am »
I am not sure re this. I was under the impression that the highest quality raw eggs had deep orange yolks. Is that correct? I'd especially like to hear from those who raise their own chickens on diets high in insects, worms and the like.

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Re: Vegetables Overrated?
« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2017, 12:42:28 pm »
dark orange yolks mean that the bird has eaten green foods or insects that eat green foods.   California is totally brown this time of year, which means unless the rancher is irrigating there will be no green grasses etc to feed on. And, little if any insects to peck at when there's no water.      Most feed cracked grain, which is in itself rancid, if not inorganic, most likely gmo.  I have heard that chickens can eat up to ten percent of their diet on greens, and thus unless there are bugs, the rest will come from grain.   

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« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2017, 08:30:30 pm »
I have heard that chickens can eat up to ten percent of their diet on greens, and thus unless there are bugs, the rest will come from grain.   
It depends which grains they are fed. Millet, shorgo, oats, rice, barley, rye or corn are not as troublesome as wheat. Birds are granivorous and if we want to raise poultry, a limited amount of unheated grain is necessary unless they have access to a very large green, fertile area and even if you grow maggots (on rotten fish or meat) for them.

Ducks on my land. There are about 30 of them and as many hens.
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Re: Vegetables Overrated?
« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2017, 09:08:16 pm »
Yet:-

http://www.waldeneffect.org/blog/The_wild_chicken__39__s_diet/

The way I see it, the best possible diet for fowl of any kind  consists of  insects, carrion, worms etc.

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Re: Vegetables Overrated?
« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2017, 11:31:41 pm »
ducks can eat up to fifty percent in grass, and geese up to one hundred percent, if green and rich.  We sprouted our grains for our chickens and ducks, and like Iguana mentioned used alternative less troublesome grains.

 

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