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Rational for various Paleo approaches
« on: June 19, 2009, 08:56:49 pm »
I see on this forum a wide variety of paleo approaches and in my short time here have already seen hot debate of certain key issues.

Zero or low carb, or not low carb.

Fatty meats or lean meats.

No dairy or minimal sporadic dairy (or lots of dairy).

Paleo man ate mostly meat or he didn't (ate meat sporadically - only at successful kills).

Organ or no organ meats.

Without trying to kick off an argument, I'm just wondering the rational for each of these approaches - NOT from a web-site, but from people who actually eat that way.

Also wondering about other lifestyle factors, and if you only eat paleo or if you try to implement (to grater or lesser degrees) other paleo lifestyle factors?

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Re: Rational for various Paleo approaches
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2009, 09:17:33 pm »
Hi there!
I think it all depends on your blood type. For example, my blood group is 0 (1) and I avoid dairy products and prefer fattier meats, organs and raw fish.
If your blood group is A(2), then you should stick to raw fish, egg yolks, raw animal fat, organs and very little meat.
But if your blood group is B(3), then you can eat pretty much anything including raw dairy.
There's a great book about it called "Eat right for your type", it was't written for raw eaters, but I found it to be a very helpful.
What's your blood type?

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Re: Rational for various Paleo approaches
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2009, 09:38:29 pm »
I have no idea what my blood type is.

Any input on other lifestyle facxtors?

Care to elaborate as to your average daily intake (meat, veggies, dairy, etc)?
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Re: Rational for various Paleo approaches
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2009, 10:02:26 pm »
Well, my breakfast consist of 3-4 raw egg yolks and raw wild alaskian salmon (150-200 grams)
Lunch - a glass of freshly made vegetable juice (carrot/beetroot), vegetable salad and either raw liver or raw lamb/pork/beef (150-200 grams)
Dinner - an apple or a couple of large tomatoes ( I prefer a light dinner but if I feel hungry I would eat more fish or meat etc).
I used to add spirulina or bee pollen to my juices.
As about your blood type... I think your parents might know it, ask your Mum. Usually we inherit blood group from our parents. My Mum is type 0 (1), the same as me. And although we are very different people, when it comes to food we like the same things. Recently I introduced her to raw food diet and tought her how to eat raw liver and meat. She wasn't ecstatic about the taste and had only 2 tablespoons of raw liver but felt great afterwards and started eating it every day. Now she eats the same amount as me. It just shows that we are  the same blood no matter what!
« Last Edit: June 20, 2009, 03:19:35 am by Cosmo »
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Re: Rational for various Paleo approaches
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2009, 11:36:41 pm »
I think it all depends on your blood type.
The blood type theory is false, as there are plethora of contra arguments and examples of people which prove it wrong
I've got A rh- and I love fatty meats; my mother's got 0 and eats only a little bit of lean meats, but loves grain produtcts
I know quite a lot of such examples.
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Re: Rational for various Paleo approaches
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2009, 01:29:32 am »
Hi, Hannibal!
Your mother loves grain products simply because they contain opiods. Humans are addicted to them, opiods   are just like drugs. Dairy products contain them too.
And as about the theory about the blood groups, I can only speak for myself, my family members and my friends, who found that theory accurate and very helpfull.
By the way all of my friends and ex-partners have the same blood type as me :-)))))))) How spooky is that? I seem to fall in love only with people whose ancestors were hunters ;-))))))))))
And do you know that in Japan employers, while advertising vacancies, include specific blood group for a future candidate. They believe, for instance, that  people with type B blood are perfect salesmen, and type A - perfect supervisors, accountants and teachers.
Anyway, I think that the theory is true, of course it's not perfect, but whose theory is?

P.S. Last summer I visited Poland for the first time and I tried the most delicious apples there. They tasted heavenly, I will return just for the sake of those devine apples. You are so lucky to have access to real food...
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Re: Rational for various Paleo approaches
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2009, 02:26:25 am »
I am zero carb because if I eat carbs my Ulcerative Colitis will come back.

I'm not completely against carbs for other people though. I just don't get into it because none of us really know what goes on inside our bodies.

Perhaps I did so much damage to my system in my "SAD" days that I for one, cannot eat carbs anymore.

I used to eat giant bowls of whole grain pasta, two or three times a day, with a peanut, pesto, or tomato sauce all over it. I used to put tons of cayenne pepper in my food as well. I ate a lot protein bars and shakes, and went through gallons of milk every week.

I was an exercise and eating machine. I lifted a lot of weights and ran up to 8 miles a day sometimes. When Ulcerative Colitis hit me, it took me months to figure out how to eat again, and it lead me to just meat , fat, and organs. (Only grass-fed) I also eat sashimi, or very rare steaks in social settings. I drink dry wines or vodka on occasion as well. (I live in Chicago, hard to get away from that here.)

I'm gradually getting back to doing more physically intense exercises. Although, I'm never going back to long distance running. I don't think that's really good for you.

I used to have achy joints as well. I'm suspicious that that might have been due to all the nightshade family foods I was eating. (tomatoes, cayenne, jalapenos, etc.)

Anyway, that's my little zero carb argument for myself.   




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Re: Rational for various Paleo approaches
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2009, 03:06:49 am »
A good number of us were truly sick on SAD so we had to find what works.
There is some grain of truth in blood type diet. My 5 year old boy is allergic to all chicken whether raw or not or raw fertilized eggs... so we do duck instead.
I believe a big factor is we are all at different stages of health in our lives.
We do what works for us in that snapshot of time with what is available in our locale and what we can afford.

I used to be sick of eczema and the detoxes fixed the symptoms, but I did not feel glowing health.
I tried various diets from sad, vegetarian, raw vegan, raw fruitarian, then 14 days fasting.
I arrived at raw paleo because I wanted to achieve better health...
and wai diet worked wonders... raw fish is good.
adding raw land animals did even more wonders...
grass fed raw beef specifically did wonders (internal organs, meat, fat, brains, marrow, tongue) absolutely delicious.
High fat low carb did even more wonders. (I'm here now, 1.5 years into raw paleo)

I'm a self experimentor and I will get to try zero carb later on.

I tried Aajonus' Primal diet with raw dairy several times with different animals like cow, carabao, goat... but none of them were working for me, the only thing I don't react to in dairy is butter and ghee, but my sources are not raw.

Duck eggs are sooo much better than chicken eggs.

I will make continuous adjustments in my diet as the years goes by.
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Re: Rational for various Paleo approaches
« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2009, 07:02:52 pm »
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Zero or low carb, or not low carb.

Fatty meats or lean meats.

No dairy or minimal sporadic dairy (or lots of dairy).

Paleo man ate mostly meat or he didn't (ate meat sporadically - only at successful kills).

Organ or no organ meats.

The fatty meat/lean-meat question is more difficult to answer than one would think. Judging from data gathered re hunter-gatherers and palaeo cavemen, a very wide variety of animals were hunted some small(and therefore lean) and other larger, fattier animals like the aurochs(ancestors of cattle) and horses. Then there's the fact that winter forces animals to starve and thereby reduce their fat-layers during that season. Now, there are other complications(I believe older animals gain more fat-layers?) but generally speaking, I don't think it matters as long as one is eating a mixture of lean and fatty meats - eating 100% lean meats all the time year round is likely a bad idea, especially if on zc.

No dairy or minimal dairy:- I have been beating the anti-raw-dairy drum for years as I kept on noticing that those people who consumed the most dairy also reported the most devastating of health-problerms(which they chose to call "detoxes" but weren't as they invariably  coincided with dairy-consumption) - and that those who gave up all dairy reported far fewer side-effects, if any. Dairy has appalling side-effects re f**king up the natural hormone-levels of the body via its own cow-produced hormones, then there are the addictive opioids, the huge imbalance in calcium to magnesium( too much intake of calcium into the body blocks uptake of magnesium , leading to magnesium-deficiency).Magnesium is essential for the central nervous system's maintenance.

Organ-meats:- If you look at the literature(and wildlife movies etc.), you will notice a common element:- the wild animals generally go for the organ-meats first by preference and then eat the rest. If they're not hungry, they'll sometimes leave some of the muscle-meats behind, storing them for later, but eat the organ-meats then and there.More modern hunter-gatherer tribes have the same preference re organ-meats, with pregnant women using them(according to weston-price) to ensure fertility/childbirth works out well for them. So there's no reason to suppose organ-meats weren't eaten and preferred by palaeoman .Plus, numerous anecdotal reports on the various forums indicate tha eating raw organ-meats as well as muscle-meats ensures a faster recovery-rate on a RVAF diet than if one just eats raw muscle-meats.

 That said, some zcers do have a point in claiming that organ-meats are only 10% of all meats in a body so there's no need to overindulge.

Re eating all-meat or no-meat:- Well, my own experience with zc was a disaster. Tried 3 times and failed miserably. By the 6th week I'd be a hospital case so had to give up(I did all the right things re eating plenty of raw fat etc. - my testimonial is on the rawpaleodiet.com website)Having checked various studies and experiences:(eg:-
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12535749

I tend to be sceptical of the notion  that zc works for some, though it's pretty clear that others seem to be doing fine right now on rzc. Other than the health-issues, my sporting performance collapses while on rzc, so that's a big minus. Plus, being able to eat raw fruit in social settings makes things so much easier for me as that is considered more socially acceptable than eating raw meat in front of  SAD-eaters. As a ZCer, given occasional travelling etc., I'd be forced to make pemmican, instead of eating fruit (when grassfed, raw meat-sources are scarce), which would cause problems for me given my own major issues re cooked animal fats(raw fruit, by contrast, works fine for me as long as I don't take it to fruitarian levels).

Re palaeo lifestyle:- I'm not terribly interested in sleeping outdoors on the hard ground etc. I'm too urbanised. But, admittedly, it does have its appeal.

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