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Priority: Raw, paleo, or organic?
« on: June 24, 2009, 09:35:08 pm »
Just wondering, if a choice had to be made, what is the most important factor to you?

Raw, paleo, or organic? And why?

Not asking just to ask. I'm wondering due to concerns people have over how to prioritize when traveling, holding long work hours, etc.
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Re: Priority: Raw, paleo, or organic?
« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2009, 09:49:36 pm »
Just wondering, if a choice had to be made, what is the most important factor to you?

Raw, paleo, or organic? And why?

Not asking just to ask. I'm wondering due to concerns people have over how to prioritize when traveling, holding long work hours, etc.

That is a little difficult. I suppose when travelling and in circumstances where I can't find decent raw grassfed organic/wild meats I tend to go in heavily for raw fruit(often nonorganic when travelling abroad). I suppose the raw aspect is for me slightly more important than the palaeo aspect as I might possibly drink some raw milk if only cooked meat was also available at the time(though I'd deeply regret it afterwards and only drink small amounts). The organic aspect is less important to me as I've come across so many different foods in the past which were from nonorganic farmers(or from wild game) which had better taste/nutrient-profiles than much of the grassfed/organic meats I otherwise buy. Now, obviously, most nonorganic sources in the world  are foul(a lot of the nonorganic fruit I buy while travelling is virtually tasteless etc.) but there is a small minority of nonorganic sellers who can't afford to officially convert to organic but who feed their cattle on 100% grass/don't vaccinate etc. but whose meats are often superior to anything labelled organic. One forgets just how much of the so-called organic sector is controlled by huge agricombines, rather than small farms.
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Re: Priority: Raw, paleo, or organic?
« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2009, 11:43:21 pm »
Yeah, I had to ponder that as well...though oddly I don't ponder it at all when faced with circumstances.

I NEVER eat breads of any kind or dairy and such, or junk foods. Beyond that....

For example, friends in from out of state the other day. We play a gig, then head to a restaurant where they want to eat. I order a big veggie salad and a cut of steak (and say "as rare as the law allows" since they won't bring me slices of raw). The chef is great - basically did a quick scorch on each side and it's still cold in the middle. Custom made my salad (no cheese, no croutons, no dressing, all raw, all fresh). The waitress is perplexed when I tell her to not even put the potatoes or steamed veggies on my plate. "But, it';s really good...". And she kept trying to give me free bread "But it's free...".

That said, I suspect NONE of it was even close to organic.

I often try to steer folks to some place where I can get sashimi & salad.

I dislike processed foods, but I keep a few Larabars handy at all times when not at home, or some other type of organic raw food bar.

Odd, because I would have said "organic" if someone had asked and I answered without thinking about it. But it looks like raw is closest to the top of the list.
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Re: Priority: Raw, paleo, or organic?
« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2009, 10:24:53 am »

  I go most places with a little container of at least back fat slices.  put it next to a little frozen water bottle, keeps nicely for the day.  You can eat fat slices very quickly, before going into a restaurant.  This way I am not tempted to get calories from plants or other sources.   But then again,  the fat I am eating right now, just doesn't get any better. 

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Re: Priority: Raw, paleo, or organic?
« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2009, 05:06:01 pm »
The way I see it, raw food, even of low quality, is always superior to cooked food of high quality, if only slightly. This is partly because of the issue of heat-created toxins being produced via cooking, but also it doesn't really matter if the cooked food has a higher nutrient-profile if much of the nutrients are duly eliminated or reduced via cooking. Plus, cooking often involves the production of trans-fats(in tiny trace amounts as regards normal cooking and larger amounts if industrially-produced like in McDonald's). Then there's the extra processed sauces that cooking often requires. And given that many people get nasty side-effects from eating cooked food after being near 100% raw for a while(due to the body more efficiently getting rid of the toxins from cooked foods), it's better to stick with raw low-quality foods instead. I, for example, now often vomit  after eating cooked foods(due to the foods staying too long in the stomach), or feel hungover the next day, whereas eating raw grainfed meat or nonorganic fruit doesn't cause such symptoms.
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Re: Priority: Raw, paleo, or organic?
« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2009, 10:18:43 pm »
One aspect of it could be that a paleoish meal even if cooked isn't going to screw up your adaption to ketosis, whereas eating a kilo of apples too often would even though raw paleo.

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Re: Priority: Raw, paleo, or organic?
« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2009, 11:04:58 pm »
Adaptation to ketosis? Please explain.
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Re: Priority: Raw, paleo, or organic?
« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2009, 11:31:47 pm »
Just wondering, if a choice had to be made, what is the most important factor to you?



The most important factor for me is RAW state of the food I consume. I don't enjoy cooked food anymore whether it's organic or not, I came to the conclusion that it's better to feel hungry than to eat a cooked meal and then feel tired, sleepy and sad. Cooked food makes me sad, raw food makes me happy!
When traveling I go for raw vegetable salads or sashimi (if Im lucky to find a decent Japanse place)
When flying on the plane I take with me my favourite raw vegetables (wine riped tomatoes or red peppers). A year ago when I just converted to 100% raw food diet, I used to carry with me raw brazilian nuts, apples and dried figs and dates, but later realised that fruits didn't satisfied my hunger in the same ways as vegetables do.
You see, we all different here, so you will have to try different aproaches and find the one that suits you perfectly.
Eating raw fish and meat since 17.11.08. 99% raw since 25.04.08.

 

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