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rami nagiel died of cancer.. how?..
« on: August 13, 2019, 05:28:49 pm »
the guy that ate tons of greenpasture raw fermented cod liver oil and butter oil aka the x factor and ate grassfed meats and raw milk..


i even talked to him long years ago when he said he eat for carbs only raw honey and some fruits ..



how the fuck a man like that dies of cancer lol

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Re: rami nagiel died of cancer.. how?..
« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2019, 10:13:30 pm »
I don't mean to be smart alec-y but all the people who ate organic, perfect food before there was industrialization also died.
It's just inevitable.
Some people die young, some people die old.  Some people eat crap and live a long time; while others eat perfect and get sick.
There's no fairness in life or guarantees of reward for good behavior.

You should read Albert Camus.  Everything is absurd.

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« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2019, 04:05:47 am »
well, many people don´t understand that fermented cod liver oil turns actually rancid and causes oxidative damage, unless totally fresh. He was a big proponent of that. Including Ron Schmid which died as well. There are accounts of ppl taking it for a long time that got severely ill. Should have sticked to eating real foods.

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« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2019, 12:13:26 pm »
well, many people don´t understand that fermented cod liver oil turns actually rancid and causes oxidative damage, unless totally fresh. He was a big proponent of that. Including Ron Schmid which died as well. There are accounts of ppl taking it for a long time that got severely ill. Should have sticked to eating real foods.


are you saying to stay away from cod liver oil from greenpastures?

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« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2019, 01:33:46 pm »
I would never touch this

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« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2019, 05:50:01 pm »
I would never touch this


why not?



and second is how a man like rami nagel who cured his tooth decay didnt get on RPD (if RPD cures cancer at all) and cured himself of cancer?


fucking sick

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« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2019, 12:57:24 am »
read the articles and the user comments

https://www.davidgumpert.com/tickingtimebombpossible
https://deeprootsathome.com/fclo-fermented-cod-liver-oil/
http://drkaayladaniel.com/fermented-cod-liver-oil-infographic/

more info can be found on the net. There are many health advocates that heal many things even though they are not on RDP. And many don´t even consider RDP. So if they can still eat other foods, but have other remedies for their sicknesses, they will continue practicing them if they see progress like Rami did. RDP people are usually the ones that have major health issues that could not be healed with everything else they tried. And don´t forget that many people, regardless of their knowledge in health, still consider raw meat very dangerous. Therefore they will never go the RDP route, unless they are extremely desperate or just curious.

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« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2019, 01:54:29 am »
read the articles and the user comments

https://www.davidgumpert.com/tickingtimebombpossible
https://deeprootsathome.com/fclo-fermented-cod-liver-oil/
http://drkaayladaniel.com/fermented-cod-liver-oil-infographic/

more info can be found on the net. There are many health advocates that heal many things even though they are not on RDP. And many don´t even consider RDP. So if they can still eat other foods, but have other remedies for their sicknesses, they will continue practicing them if they see progress like Rami did. RDP people are usually the ones that have major health issues that could not be healed with everything else they tried. And don´t forget that many people, regardless of their knowledge in health, still consider raw meat very dangerous. Therefore they will never go the RDP route, unless they are extremely desperate or just curious.



you have convinced me my friend..

but what about thr concentrated butter oil from green pastures?

i have a bottle of their cod liver oil and the butter oil..


after reading your posts i am going to throw the cod liver oil to the shiter.. but how about the concentrated butter oil? should i throw it or can i use it with health benefits?

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« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2019, 03:07:09 am »
Just listen to yourself. Concentrated butter oil? Does this sound like nature intended you to take this? If I were you I would throw it in the trash. I would not risk my health for that. I either stick to natural non-hybrid foods that can be found in nature, or I take things that people manufactured since mankind exists. These are herbal and fungal tinctures/extracts and naturally fermented foods. All these things can be done by yourself and do not need to be manufactured in a facility. God knows what conditions you find there.

Let me give you an example. Just today I went into a shop to check how much the acerola berry powder is. I got interested because I am currently experimenting with the positive effects of Ascorbic Acid=AA (vitamin c). And Acerola has the 2nd highest amount of any Vitamin C food. AA is so important for a weak immune system that it can even put people out of a coma https://www.medfoxpub.com/medicalnews/pr/201401081/Allan-Smith-Today/ People that eat a carnivore diet and have a good immune system do not need as much. But if you are fighting infections, parasites, have low energy, bad digestion and and and, then I think Vitamin C is what you should focus on in order to regain health. I recommend looking into the excellent work of doris loh https://www.evolutamente.it/ https://www.facebook.com/doris.loh.23 You will learn a lot of things about the importance of AA and about uric acid.

Now, the powder was around 20 Euros for a ridiculously low amount (100-200g I forgot). How do I know how much vitamin c is still in this acerola powder, how do I know how much my body can actually identify and metabolize out of this powdered thing, how do I know what chemical processes were used to manufacture this? Same as these FMCLO and other rancid oils. In the end I bought blackcurrant berries again. Just 100g have 200-300% of your DV. AA Off the charts! Yes, it has carbs but at least its not a chemically processed supplement. And it has many other benefits, especially for the eyes. That´s a real food that my body can metabolize. Not this crap that might help in the beginning, but will turn into a nightmare afterwards.

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« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2019, 12:39:36 pm »
Just listen to yourself. Concentrated butter oil? Does this sound like nature intended you to take this? If I were you I would throw it in the trash. I would not risk my health for that. I either stick to natural non-hybrid foods that can be found in nature, or I take things that people manufactured since mankind exists. These are herbal and fungal tinctures/extracts and naturally fermented foods. All these things can be done by yourself and do not need to be manufactured in a facility. God knows what conditions you find there.

Let me give you an example. Just today I went into a shop to check how much the acerola berry powder is. I got interested because I am currently experimenting with the positive effects of Ascorbic Acid=AA (vitamin c). And Acerola has the 2nd highest amount of any Vitamin C food. AA is so important for a weak immune system that it can even put people out of a coma https://www.medfoxpub.com/medicalnews/pr/201401081/Allan-Smith-Today/ People that eat a carnivore diet and have a good immune system do not need as much. But if you are fighting infections, parasites, have low energy, bad digestion and and and, then I think Vitamin C is what you should focus on in order to regain health. I recommend looking into the excellent work of doris loh https://www.evolutamente.it/ https://www.facebook.com/doris.loh.23 You will learn a lot of things about the importance of AA and about uric acid.

Now, the powder was around 20 Euros for a ridiculously low amount (100-200g I forgot). How do I know how much vitamin c is still in this acerola powder, how do I know how much my body can actually identify and metabolize out of this powdered thing, how do I know what chemical processes were used to manufacture this? Same as these FMCLO and other rancid oils. In the end I bought blackcurrant berries again. Just 100g have 200-300% of your DV. AA Off the charts! Yes, it has carbs but at least its not a chemically processed supplement. And it has many other benefits, especially for the eyes. That´s a real food that my body can metabolize. Not this crap that might help in the beginning, but will turn into a nightmare afterwards.


what you are saying makes complete sense to me my friend..
it is just that I spent not small money for this bottle of FCLO and a bottle of CBO from greenpastures and Fedex option it costed me 300dolars all together to bring it to my country in 2 days time.. and what for.. only to read ans fully agree with you.. now i think i could buy so much wholesome meats and organs with that money...

my fucking days...



yes I tend to agree with your logic my friend it makes complete sense.. but still dont you think the butter oil is still of value? its K2 from grassfes milk rapidly growing grass.. i mean all its ingridients is just "grassfed milk" maybe ill finish that bottle and never buy them again.. i could toss the FCLO to the garbage it tastes like a bunch of black reproductive male organs anyway..

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« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2019, 01:31:16 am »
the funny thing is the concentrated butter oil is liquid almost as if someone has mixed veggie oil in it

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« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2019, 05:49:52 am »
I know what it means to spend a lot of money to get something desperately fast, because you think that´s it, this is the remedy that will turn everything around. I spent thousands of euros on supplements, tests, treatments, remedies and all types of "healthy" foods. Most were absolutely useless or gave me problems. Only a very few were beneficial. I learned that the lesser items I took, the more natural I ate, the better I felt and the faster I healed. Looking at the ingredients at your CBO I would say they don´t look too bad, but if you want K2 you can get it from natural sources as well. I mean you could continue taking it if it does you well, but if it doesn´t I see little usage.

When I used to take some of the supplements like wormwood tea, back in my plant based days, I felt so shitty but I continued taking them. Why? Because the nutritionist and my own head said that you need to take something longer in order to see the beneficial effects. You will suffer yeah, but it will pass. Well it never got better, just worse and I did that with many different items. If something does you really well your body will give you a clear signal for that. I experienced that myself with some foods/tinctures. Detox is different, sometimes you need to suffer to get better. And sometimes it can be a bit hard to determine if it´s detox or if it´s a a food/supplement that you should stop taking because it does you unwell. And this can be a problem, similar to the vegan idea of a constant detox. An endless endeavour and paradox that, instead of healing you, will make you more sick.

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« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2019, 01:38:28 pm »
My experience with healing cancer is that most cancers are caused by Fungus Mold infection in the body.

Thus I cured my friend with stage 3 bone cancer via a combination of raw paleo diet and anti fungus mold foods (italian seasoning, saurkraut, turpentine) and turning off WIFI because WIFI agitates the fungus mold to excrete 600x more waste into the body.  I put her on that strict diet with some detox protocols like liver flushes, coffee enemas, for 6 months.  She's all well now. Was 42 at that time, that was some 2 years ago 2017.

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« Reply #13 on: August 18, 2019, 05:50:18 am »
By now I am pretty convinced that fungus/bad bacteria/candida overgrowth and certain parasites are the root cause of our illnesses. I think that there is a constant battle between good and bad bacteria, if we were to generalize these creatures. If, for example, your immune system is strong via ingestions of let´s say ascorbic acid (vitamin c), then white blood cells are more prone to eat these invaders that cause infections that try to weaken your body. It also makes sense what you said regarding the exponential increase of "bad" fungus. For years I have tried to pinpoint the root cause of my bad behaviour and aggression when I am at home, outside of the house I had no issues, but whenever I entered the kitchen I became agitated. I have removed the mold on the walls, i have changed the cooking plate, i have changed cooking pans, i took away the oven, i have tried to clean more often. But still, for some reason, whenever I go into my kitchen I have the feeling that the parasites in my body are much more active, especially upon turning on heat via a previous existing dirty oven or a changed cooking plate. It took a lot of time to rethink this situation, but as it stands I am convinced that parasites or however you want to call them like humid, wet and especially warm environments, like heat and possibly molds and are able to aggrevate your conditions and your symptoms to a much higher degree, as if you were to live in cold enviroments. As whenever I am abroad in a colder country, my symptoms of low stomach acid aren´t as bad as where I live atm. I am certain that low stomach acid is caused by these parasites. And low stomach acid is another root cause of many diseases. If gastric acid is strong enough, then they would not be able to survive as much and reproduce to the point where its hard to get rid of them.

To get rid of these things and recreate a natural balance is challenging, when I compare myself to the past years I can say that I made huge progress, but I am still not where I am supposed to be. Certainly a raw paleo diet can help, especially a combination of a ZC diet, dry fasting to starve them, and anti-fungal/mold/parasite remedies including lots of fats or fibre to shit them out would be your best bet. I am not a fan of enemas, since I experienced that you also flush out your own bacteria to digest certain foods. I do however think that parasites, according to my own year long experiences, do not like things such as coffees, garlic and onion, cayenne peppers, carbonated water, certain herbal tincutes, ascorbic acid, certain types of alcohol and certain berries, pumpkin oil and seeds, oregano oil, among other things. I am soon experimenting with medicinal fungi, as I find the idea of fighting a fungi with another fungi very appealing. As after all, our own existance and survival might just depend on the outcome of a battle between different fungi, which after all are bacteria in the end. And bacteria is what we are made out of.

Sometimes one might question the reason of our own existence. If you think of the intelligence that fungi have, you could possibly think that these fungi rule us and take advantage over us. Mycelium is able to create huge underground networks, almost as big as whole countries, so in the end it might just be a battle of "bad" fungi that want us to die, disperse into the soil to act as food for their companions, oppose to the "good ones" that want us to exist, thrive and expand our knowledge to whatever beeings they want us to become.
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« Reply #14 on: August 18, 2019, 12:16:47 pm »
The immense breakthrough I had with fungus mold came from the teachings of:

Bervin Jackson

https://www.bervinj.com/

I remember a few years ago he was hot on finding architects, civil engineers to build new homes that were fungus / mold resistant.
He says it is fungus / mold in our living and working spaces that are the main culprits.

I and my 2 boys personally moved out in 2015 to search for fungus mold free living space.
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« Reply #15 on: August 18, 2019, 03:41:40 pm »
I would strongly agree that fungus mold can have a very bad effect on our health. Especially since we are surrounded by it in many places. Air conditions are very prone to have it. How did you know you have an issue in your house? Was it visible mold or did you just "feel" that this can only be the cause? And what do you think is the best building material to prevent mold?

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« Reply #16 on: August 19, 2019, 06:09:14 pm »
I would strongly agree that fungus mold can have a very bad effect on our health. Especially since we are surrounded by it in many places. Air conditions are very prone to have it. How did you know you have an issue in your house? Was it visible mold or did you just "feel" that this can only be the cause? And what do you think is the best building material to prevent mold?

It was an old 1 story house.  Flooded several times past the roof.  Wall had black mold due to pipes leaking.  Roof was moldy after 2009 flood, had to be entirely replaced.  Very big mango tree above house.  Plenty of maids already left due to illness.  Wife and daughter moved out too, cannot stay, always sick.  Me and 2 boys always sick.  Switched homes with the maids from other house they got sick.  Looking back, grandfather of wife had cancer lived in that home.  We all got well when we left.
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« Reply #17 on: September 01, 2019, 03:09:11 am »
There is a chicken or egg first, situation with mold and fungus cancer causation theory. There is definitely a strong correlation between these molds and fungal inundations  and conditions like cancer, but are they a direct cause or are they symptomatic of some other environmental condition?

Mold and fungus feed on decaying and already sickened tissues. Yeast are the last line of defense, when the metabolic system break down and the body accumulates excess biotoxins. Although the process by which fungus and mold break down waste on the body is not very kind, without these decomposing symbiotic organisms, our body’s would become overwhelmed with toxic tissues and die well before anything like cancer would take hold.

These organisms produce the elements needed to clean away and catabolicly neutralize elements which are far more detrimental to the body than the byproduct they excrete...the problem is that medical science cannot isolate exactly the underlying disbiosis which leads to such overgrowth, and so mistakes the symptoms with the disease.

There are many more nuances to this phenomenon, but the basic point is that although the toxic byproducts of mold and fungus can in excess lead to the eventual development of cancer, for the sake of holistic treatment  they still should viewed more like symptoms rather than a cause.

This of view mainly applies when there is an internal overgrowth...in cases like house mold poisoning and chronic exposure to external toxic overgrowth, then there should be a much different approach. Housing materials infected with mold will off gas metabolic waste toxins full of both synthetic and organic pollution, there is no reason or necessity to be exposed to this kind of risk, when simple mindful avoidance of toxic environments can be practiced. Though like the frog slow boiled many people being slow poisoned will never realize the source of the issue...be it from internal or external nature?

 


     
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« Reply #18 on: September 02, 2019, 04:03:09 pm »
There is a chicken or egg first, situation with mold and fungus cancer causation theory. There is definitely a strong correlation between these molds and fungal inundations  and conditions like cancer, but are they a direct cause or are they symptomatic of some other environmental condition?

Mold and fungus feed on decaying and already sickened tissues. Yeast are the last line of defense, when the metabolic system break down and the body accumulates excess biotoxins. Although the process by which fungus and mold break down waste on the body is not very kind, without these decomposing symbiotic organisms, our body’s would become overwhelmed with toxic tissues and die well before anything like cancer would take hold.

These organisms produce the elements needed to clean away and catabolicly neutralize elements which are far more detrimental to the body than the byproduct they excrete...the problem is that medical science cannot isolate exactly the underlying disbiosis which leads to such overgrowth, and so mistakes the symptoms with the disease.

There are many more nuances to this phenomenon, but the basic point is that although the toxic byproducts of mold and fungus can in excess lead to the eventual development of cancer, for the sake of holistic treatment  they still should viewed more like symptoms rather than a cause.

This of view mainly applies when there is an internal overgrowth...in cases like house mold poisoning and chronic exposure to external toxic overgrowth, then there should be a much different approach. Housing materials infected with mold will off gas metabolic waste toxins full of both synthetic and organic pollution, there is no reason or necessity to be exposed to this kind of risk, when simple mindful avoidance of toxic environments can be practiced. Though like the frog slow boiled many people being slow poisoned will never realize the source of the issue...be it from internal or external nature?

 


     

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