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Amount of animal protein daily
« on: March 13, 2010, 11:42:05 am »
I see a lot of people here consuming a lot of protein several times a day.  I'm just wondering how realistic that would have been for Paleo man?  I really don't think they would have been able to obtain so much meat on such a regular basis.

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« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2010, 12:36:02 pm »
Counting calories or counting protein or calcium or any nutrient for that matter just complicates things and can hinder one trying to reach and maintain optimal health. Just eat what tastes good and what makes you feel good, it's as simple as that.

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« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2010, 12:47:09 pm »
Excluding organs, I wonder if they went for fat or muscle meat. Was their diet 20, 30, or 40% protein? So many questions..

If they bothered to extract marrow from bones, then they must have prefered fat over lean muscle big time but can we know for sure they even bothered to eat marrow? Maybe they just ate like carnivores and kept it simple with just muscle meat.

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Re: Amount of animal protein daily
« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2010, 01:17:51 pm »


If they bothered to extract marrow from bones, then they must have prefered fat over lean muscle big time but can we know for sure they even bothered to eat marrow?

Because all the traditional tribes still eating their ancestral diets today eat marrow, and, if I recall correctly, there is good evidence in the fossil/archaeological records of ancient humans breaking open bones and eating the marrow.


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« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2010, 03:02:12 pm »
The old notion that one should not exceed 100g of protein a day has already been disproved, so eating lots of raw meats is fine.
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« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2010, 11:02:20 pm »
The old notion that one should not exceed 100g of protein a day has already been disproved, so eating lots of raw meats is fine.

I thought that 20-30% of calories was the ideal amount of protein.

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« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2010, 11:29:56 pm »
I thought that 20-30% of calories was the ideal amount of protein.
  Never heard of that figure before.
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Re: Amount of animal protein daily
« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2010, 02:17:12 pm »
I thought that 20-30% of calories was the ideal amount of protein.
I would say - 15-20%. I eat this way - it's about 120-150 g of proteins a day
It isn't good to eat lots of proteins - they burden our body. We don't need them so much. Excess amounts are converted to glucose.
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« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2010, 03:19:50 pm »
I would say - 15-20%. I eat this way - it's about 120-150 g of proteins a day

If you eat 2000 calories a day and 15-20% protein, then you're eating 75-100g of protein a day.

There's a pretty big difference between eating 15% protein and 40%, I think the ratio of protein/fat is an important question, more important than weather paleo men ate carbs or not, a few berries here and there doesn't seem that much relevant to me considering it represents only 1 or 2% of their total calorie intake. Surely the amount of protein they ate had an impact on our genetic template so there has to be an optimum % of protein we should be eating.

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« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2010, 04:52:22 pm »
I thought that 20-30% of calories was the ideal amount of protein.
That figure is from the same people who said the food pyramid was the ideal diet.
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« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2010, 05:21:53 pm »
If you eat 2000 calories a day and 15-20% protein, then you're eating 75-100g of protein a day.
I eat 3000-4000 calories a day.
My carbohydrate intake is 50-150 g a day.
My protein/fat ratio is about 1:2-2,5
a few berries here and there doesn't seem that much relevant to me considering it represents only 1 or 2% of their total calorie intake
Your assumption that paleo men consumed only few berries is IMO false.
For milions of years paleo men lived in Central Africa, where there is abundance of fruits. But I don't want to dispute about this in this topic.
What's is really important is that the less carbs you eat the more protein you should eat.
I eat the amount of carbs that my body needs, more or less of course. Only then the body works most efficiently - that's proven by biochemistry.
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Re: Amount of animal protein daily
« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2010, 07:58:12 pm »
My carbohydrate intake is 50-150 g a day.

Do you get those from fruit? What other sources of carbs?

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« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2010, 10:54:25 pm »
Do you get those from fruit? What other sources of carbs?
Fruits and honey
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« Reply #13 on: May 19, 2010, 08:17:02 am »
I find that a lot of people are very curious as to what paleo man/woman ate, how much they ate, and what ratios of fat/protein/carbohydrates and so forth.  Sometimes questions and answers can get very technical.  This is great for learning and education... but... I feel like some people on these forums would really benefit from taking some time off and live in the wilderness.  Try going camping next to a lake, river.  Catch your own food.  Eat what you can find.  Catch fish(salamanders, crawdads, river creatures, frogs), hunt game(deer, elk, buffalo) if permissable of course, trap small animals(squirrels, rabbits, racoons, porqupines, beavers, turtles), go find a carcass and eat the marrow, smaller creatures... insects, lizards, earthworms, all kinds of bugs, ants.  Steal eggs from bird nests....  Eat all the fruit you can find.  When you're actually 'out there' it becomes very simple... all the complications of diet recommendations are tossed out the window... you get hungry, you see something, you eat it.  Early man would not have thought twice.  A lot of questions have very clear answers out there when you spend a couple weeks or months in the wild.  IMO the body can compensate in miraculous ways when theres shortages of a certain macronutrient.  Your body is very well adapted for these things(just look at a vegans lol), so IMO there isn't really a huge differnece in getting 100g of protein or 150g your body will adapt to the changes and in the end the difference will be insignificant.  I didn't mean to target this post in any way or any individual here just had to say these thoughts somewhere :)

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« Reply #14 on: May 19, 2010, 09:07:27 am »
Couldnt agree more with that last post, and it really all depends on our ancestors. I used to go along with all of that "it takes a million years to adapt" saying. But in reality, why do people tend to try to understand what paleo men ate exactly when there is so much evidence of healthy diets with live tribes today along with the findings of weston a price. Remote Switzerland people eat raw dairy, rhy bread and met and live happy, healthy lives. Masai eat only meat, dairy, blood, and some fruit, pacific islanders eat fruit and meat. I think the most success one attains with diet comes when one learns what their ancestors ate. I dont advocate grains or bread at all, but we must realize that indigenous tribes fermented and baked grains before they ate them much like cows ferment grass in 1 of their 4 stomachs. Obviously if grains are to be consumed, they need to be fermented first to get rid of the natural toxins in them. Indiginous tribes base their diets off of thousands of years of knowledge so they have much wisdom. However industrial societies tend to strive for cheap economical ways to do everything, hence there is no fermentation of grains, costs more and takes more time to produce. With all of my research it becomes more and more obvious that human health only began dramatically degenerating with the onset of pesticides, unfermented grains, pasteurized dairy, medications and foreign chemicals in general, plastic bottled water, pollution, agriculture, and topsoil loss. The list goes on and on but the fact of the matter is most of our problems are only 300 years old, especially when medicine started to get involved in disease. In fact most of our problems are only 100 years old. Since 1870 the US national sugar consumption increased 15 times while fat and cholesterol consumption decreased, yet they blame heart disease on fat and cholesterol and advertise statins. See what I mean? When its all said and done, the reason why peoples health sucks is because the government is making money. Profit over people.
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« Reply #15 on: May 19, 2010, 05:28:00 pm »
Couldnt agree more with that last post, and it really all depends on our ancestors. I used to go along with all of that "it takes a million years to adapt" saying. But in reality, why do people tend to try to understand what paleo men ate exactly when there is so much evidence of healthy diets with live tribes today along with the findings of weston a price. Remote Switzerland people eat raw dairy, rhy bread and met and live happy, healthy lives. Masai eat only meat, dairy, blood, and some fruit, pacific islanders eat fruit and meat. I think the most success one attains with diet comes when one learns what their ancestors ate. I dont advocate grains or bread at all, but we must realize that indigenous tribes fermented and baked grains before they ate them much like cows ferment grass in 1 of their 4 stomachs. Obviously if grains are to be consumed, they need to be fermented first to get rid of the natural toxins in them. Indiginous tribes base their diets off of thousands of years of knowledge so they have much wisdom. However industrial societies tend to strive for cheap economical ways to do everything, hence there is no fermentation of grains, costs more and takes more time to produce. With all of my research it becomes more and more obvious that human health only began dramatically degenerating with the onset of pesticides, unfermented grains, pasteurized dairy, medications and foreign chemicals in general, plastic bottled water, pollution, agriculture, and topsoil loss. The list goes on and on but the fact of the matter is most of our problems are only 300 years old, especially when medicine started to get involved in disease. In fact most of our problems are only 100 years old. Since 1870 the US national sugar consumption increased 15 times while fat and cholesterol consumption decreased, yet they blame heart disease on fat and cholesterol and advertise statins. See what I mean? When its all said and done, the reason why peoples health sucks is because the government is making money. Profit over people.

All very true.  It's hard to blame them...  with all this noise interruption in society its hard for people to understand how we really need to eat.  How we lived.  How we make do with the food available in the wild.  But all they need to do is go outdoors and see. 

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« Reply #16 on: May 19, 2010, 05:50:04 pm »
Couldnt agree more with that last post, and it really all depends on our ancestors. I used to go along with all of that "it takes a million years to adapt" saying. But in reality, why do people tend to try to understand what paleo men ate exactly when there is so much evidence of healthy diets with live tribes today along with the findings of weston a price. Remote Switzerland people eat raw dairy, rhy bread and met and live happy, healthy lives. Masai eat only meat, dairy, blood, and some fruit, pacific islanders eat fruit and meat. .
The above is totally wrong. First of all, it is well documented by scientists that people in the Neolithic era suffered great health-problems as a direct result of eating grains and dairy. In those times, the grains were fermented and the dairy was consumed raw, mostly, so there was no excuse for Weston-Price absurdly claiming that more recent hunter-gatherer tribes or those mountain-dwelling Swiss were eating healthy diets. Plus, there've been scientists such as Mann pointing out that the Masai had atherosclerosis with arteries described as being like those of old men in the West. Other Weston-Price-detailed tribes such as the Maori have also been shown to have suffered a lot of ill-health when eating their deficient ancestral diet, consisting partially of grains.
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« Reply #17 on: May 19, 2010, 06:07:12 pm »
Yes, Lex Rooker made a post some time ago which explained to me what changes did and did not occur.

When people were forced to eat Neolithic foods, it weeded out people with the worst intolerance as they were less fit to work and have kids. Then obviously, the people with less bad intolerance had kids and passed on their genes. It's not evolution through mutations that help adapt to new food, it's just selective breeding. There's been no time to evolve for this food to be healthy for us...some may be better or worse for your type, but over the long term it's gonna mess you up. I'm not a geneticist but I don't see any other way of slicing and dicing it.


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« Reply #18 on: May 20, 2010, 03:55:11 am »
I see how I worded my last post and didnt necessarily mean it like that. Obviously any grain products are bad for man. My main point though is that our ancestors had much more wisdom than our current knowledge about food. Do you not believe in the works of weston price? Grains suck in general yes, but at least ancestors knew to ferment them. Supermarket bread is far worse than the breads they ate. Dairy obviously was not meant for man either but at least our ancestors knew not to pasteurize it. I'm just saying (and you guys have to agree with me) although man began degenerating when the advent of agriculture occurred, I personally think we have way worse problems today than just grains. Thats why I said the worst time period for mans degeneration is the last 300 years. Think about it, Pasteurized milk, pesticides, pollution, top soil loss, nutrient deficient soil, exogenous chemicals, chemtrails, food pyramids, rampant cancer, rampant disease, weak immunity, radiation everywhere, to top it all off, the worst is we're swimming in a sea of estrogen making us infertile and cancerous. Im telling you all this because yes man blindly ran into health problems when adopting grains and dairy, but was running blind over the course of 1000 years up to this point. You guys must realize most of the stuff I just stated was introduced less than 100 years ago. Man has been blindly experimenting it for a very short period. If you think humans adapting to grains and dairy is bad, think of all that stuff. How can anyone say its not the worst period in history when we know that the avg sperm count of men in this day in age is 25% of what it was in 1960. And every son will have less testosterone than his father. It took me a while to realize the SAD diet was not food at all but a chemical diet (more like a chemical experiment). Everyday people are used as test subjects when consuming these foods and the government knows it. Do you not agree with me on that?

Check out this video which explains a lot about the huge problems of today. In the end its all about profit and our downfall is current medical science, pharmaceuticals, and agriculture.

http://wearewhatweeatthemovie.com/short.htm
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« Reply #19 on: May 20, 2010, 04:02:28 am »
Sorry I meant 10000 years of agriculture... -\
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« Reply #20 on: May 20, 2010, 04:32:06 am »
If you're saying that the way hunter gatherer's and farmers with stone age technology live is healthier than modern people then I'd have to say 'sometimes'...but these people live under different circumstances to the paleolithic and it's not necessarily the best to eat lots of animals and plants that would not have formed a big part of the diet, or to have massively carb based diets. A lot of their relative health probably comes from simply not eating too much food.

I don't know about that chemical stuff, but you can't believe everything you read.

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« Reply #21 on: May 20, 2010, 05:06:17 am »
Im simply saying (and this is my primary point) that in the last 300 years we introduced thousands of more problems than simply just grains and dairy. Im not talking about caloric intake. I myself value fat as the best source of energy. All that "majority of your calories from carbs" BS on the food pyramid is lies. Carbs were never the best source for energy. I am usually on ketogenic anyway in case you were wondering simply because my body functions better on less carbs. And this info I get isnt just "believe everything I hear nonsense". Its those people I never agree with. Because they just live their daily lives with out a care in the world of what is really going on globally and nationally. People like that just watch TV and view the media and believe everything the "experts" say. So much BS out there. "fat causes heart disease", "cholesterol is bad", "whole grains are good" l). The media is basically meant for marketing and selling products that stimulate the economy. This is why you'd never catch a reporter saying "breaking news, cholesterol actually has no correlation with heart disease." They would lose their job because it doesnt sell statins (which in the US pull in $15 billion annually) for the pharmaceutical industry. With the more research I do (from only valid, credible sources) the simpler it is to figure everything out. Everything is based on money. And Im not saying everyone is evil and corrupt (although a lot are). Im just saying that most so called "experts" have been lied to and honestly believe their views as correct. Just like you all probably used to think it would kill you to eat raw meat- a prime example of a medical lie, or just stupidity. Finally, it doesnt take a rocket scientist to tell you that we live in the worst era ever. Everything I've stated in my previous post is happening today and with little research to prove it safe. But it makes corporations profits. We think we are the smartest civilization with our modern medicine, but think about cancer- it kills like 10 times as many people now than it did in 1900. Trillions have been spent on research but its gotten way way worse. When it comes to fix me ups docs modern medicine is great, but when it comes to disease docs havnt got a clue, they just think they do, and most of us put our faith in them...
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« Reply #22 on: May 20, 2010, 05:13:41 am »
Id like to add that I am agreeing with all of you about paleo, I was just getting off of topic talking about how our era is the worst era in history. Sure the bubonic plague and all that, but that was one problem. Whats gonna happen when we see the results of the thousands of problems of today? Like sally fallon put it, its the natural selection of the wise. We'll all have great fertility while others wont be able to reproduce. :D
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« Reply #23 on: May 20, 2010, 06:11:03 am »
Fair enough. I think that this is the best period in history since the paleolithic but that's my opinion  :P

For example, I think the main reason for this statistic:
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think about cancer- it kills like 10 times as many people now than it did in 1900.

might well be because people are not dying over other stuff and live long enough for aging diseases to kick in. How can you get a figure from deaths from cancer in 1900 anyway?

Anyway don't want to argue on here...I see where you're coming from and all that.



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« Reply #24 on: May 20, 2010, 06:47:31 am »
I am in no way arguing man. Really sorry if I came off like that. I just meant for an open discussion. And cancer affects more children today than ever proving that its not just old people. It gets me real upset and angry to see so many young people getting cancer nowadays. Yes people are living longer, and when you look at today's day in age in terms of violence, we live in the most peaceful time ever. Previous times were full of hostility. However, there are just so many diseases today on a large scale affecting people of all ages it just sickens me. All of it can be solved through the four elements which I try live by. Earth, water, fire, air. When you got all those things in check you'll live a very healthy life. Earth= proper diet, Water= clean spring water with no antibiotics, fire= sunlight, air= clean air with minimal pollution. Once again, did not mean to argue at all, Im just one of those people who likes to voice their views.
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