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Offline BakeyMan

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Bloody Stools
« on: August 10, 2010, 09:30:42 am »
Hi, new here.  I began eating raw meat daily about two weeks ago.  After a week I started becoming careless and left thawed ground beef out for approx an hour and a half.  This led to some serious food poisoning for the next three days which included high fever and diarrhea.  more than half of the time the diarrhea consisted of a tsp of blood.  Anyway, I recovered and stayed away from any raw animal products. but today I ate a raw egg and a little bit of fermented raw milk now Im having bloody stools again the same as before!  Should I just dive into some raw flesh and quit whining?  Or do I wait it out?
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Re: Bloody Stools
« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2010, 09:43:55 am »
i've left raw meat out far longer than that without incident.  what kind of meat was it? what else did you eat?

What does wait it out mean?? I think bloody stools is a huge signal!! More detailed, what are you eating??
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Re: Bloody Stools
« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2010, 10:17:39 am »
Hi Ioanna, it was pre frozen ground beef i thawed in the fridge, then left out partially covered in plastic.  I ate it with a bowl chicken stock.  For the next 3 days I only had steamed vegetables, bone broths and fermented drinks like kombucha.  When the symptoms dissipated I added fruits, nuts slow cooked meats , cooked eggs and white rice ( i added rice because I was losing a lot of weight quickly on the vegetable broth fast).

I meant should i wait until I recover fully before eating any raw animal products. 
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Re: Bloody Stools
« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2010, 03:51:30 pm »
Maybe there is some artificial substance on the ground beef which would become inactive upon cooking? Some commercial ground beef has this. When I first tried raw beef, I just used the ground beef which I was used to having cooked. It had a chemical taste, it was very hard to eat, and it irritated my gut, gave me a headache and made me feel sick. Initially, I thought this must just normal for raw beef.. and after trying this ground beef raw a few times, I didn't try to eat any raw meat again for several months, until my parents got some reduced, fresh topside joints.
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Re: Bloody Stools
« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2010, 01:36:16 pm »
is the meat grass-fed?  I wouldn't even trust to eat any ground beef except for the organic 100% grass-fed ground beef, like the stuff from trader joe's that I found.. though, there were a few times a long time ago that I cooked some commercial hamburger patties on a pan just enough that they defrosted, and pretty much ate them rare cooked, and nothing happened to me from that.  but they were partially-cooked.  and delicious.
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I live with my dad, so I also have to sneak any raw meat eating.

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Re: Bloody Stools
« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2010, 02:06:29 pm »
Quote from: BakeyMan on August 10, 2010, 09:30:42 am
Hi, new here.  I began eating raw meat daily about two weeks ago.  After a week I started becoming careless and left thawed ground beef out for approx an hour and a half.  This led to some serious food poisoning for the next three days which included high fever and diarrhea.  more than half of the time the diarrhea consisted of a tsp of blood.  Anyway, I recovered and stayed away from any raw animal products. but today I ate a raw egg and a little bit of fermented raw milk now Im having bloody stools again the same as before!  Should I just dive into some raw flesh and quit whining?  Or do I wait it out?
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serious food poisoning from pre-frozen ground beef...

Do not buy that again.
Grind beef yourself if you like ground beef.
Grind just before you eat.
Buy whole chunks.

Who knows what is in ground beef?
Who knows how much exposure was there to what chemicals?
Who knows what lubrication their machine uses?
Who knows what part was ground up?  Surprise surprise.
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Re: Bloody Stools
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2010, 02:10:12 pm »
Quote from: miles on August 10, 2010, 03:51:30 pm
Maybe there is some artificial substance on the ground beef which would become inactive upon cooking? Some commercial ground beef has this. When I first tried raw beef, I just used the ground beef which I was used to having cooked. It had a chemical taste, it was very hard to eat, and it irritated my gut, gave me a headache and made me feel sick. Initially, I thought this must just normal for raw beef.. and after trying this ground beef raw a few times, I didn't try to eat any raw meat again for several months, until my parents got some reduced, fresh topside joints.

Not enough info to make an accurate diagnosis, I wouldn't mind seeing a doctor in his case, if not for the meds, then just for the diagnosis.

However, I stopped eating ground beef (raw/cooked) even though I crave it sometimes, because the retards clean the grinder with diluted bleach and their entire processing areas with other chemicals, per FDA regulations I think.

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Grind just before you eat.
Buy whole chunks.

This works very well with a $30 food processor, the consistency is much better than the store ground.
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Re: Bloody Stools
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2010, 04:46:07 pm »
It's fucking ridiculous Savage... and they lie about it too. They pour/spray this stuff all over this surfaces and then lay the meats down on it; dip their knives in it, and then wipe it with a cloth soaked in it and then proceed to cut in to the meat.
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Re: Bloody Stools
« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2010, 01:36:04 am »
“Maybe there is some artificial substance on the ground beef which would become inactive upon cooking? “

Like some chemical on the plastic leaching onto the meat? Could be I suppose.

“is the meat grass-fed?”

No it was only USDA organic.  It did say something on the package about cows being raised on a pasture but I'll assume that's bs.  This is the only information I could find online about the brand and it doesn’t mention grass at all.
http://www2.pricechopper.com/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/pricechopper/janesitems/blosxom.pl/405.html

"serious food poisoning from pre-frozen ground beef...

Do not buy that again.
Grind beef yourself if you like ground beef.
Grind just before you eat.
Buy whole chunks.”

Yeah I'll be sure to avoid it from now on,  it was just the most easily accessible organic meat I could get my hands on.  My brother's still eating grain fed ground beef raw though!

“Not enough info to make an accurate diagnosis, I wouldn't mind seeing a doctor in his case, if not for the meds, then just for the diagnosis.”

I haven't had any problems the past couple of days, it was definitely dumb of me to not see a doctor.  
So noone ever get's ill from other kinds of pre-frozen meat? just the ground stuff?
Thanks for the help raw meat guru's.  
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Re: Bloody Stools
« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2010, 03:33:40 am »
Quote from: BakeyMan on August 12, 2010, 01:36:04 am
“Maybe there is some artificial substance on the ground beef which would become inactive upon cooking? “

Like some chemical on the plastic leaching onto the meat? Could be I suppose.


Did I say that? No I didn't. Why are you suggesting this?
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Re: Bloody Stools
« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2010, 06:10:23 am »
Quote from: miles on August 12, 2010, 03:33:40 am
Did I say that? No I didn't. Why are you suggesting this?

Why can't I suggest it?  You spoke generally about some sort of artificial substance and I took a guess at what that could mean. No harm in that Miles.
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Re: Bloody Stools
« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2010, 06:17:32 am »
Well, I didn't suggest that, and I was asking why you were. Your guess was wrong, and I was just asking why you thought it wasn't, so I could correct any misunderstanding. O_O You can suggest whatever you want. Why can't I ask why you're suggesting it? o_O
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Re: Bloody Stools
« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2010, 06:36:38 am »
well i understand what you meant now and i agree with you. 
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Re: Bloody Stools
« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2010, 06:27:07 am »
  My brother now has a fever and stomach cramps from some Slankers steak.  I've read around the forum and the general consensus seems to be that if your not eating a complete raw paleo diet, you'll run into problems.  Until the Slanker's order came we only had enough meat for 1 meal a day.  this time we did not freeze the meat for 2 weeks.  Our order came in three days and some of the packages were partially thawed.  we froze everything, then the next day we took down thin bison strips to thaw overnight.  I guess in order to be safe , we should eat it frozen?  or should we thaw it in glass and not wrapped in plastic?  thats the last time I'm ordering meat online. 
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