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The Dangers of (Raw and Pasteurised) Dairy Consumption
TylerDurden:
--- Quote from: svrn on January 10, 2014, 11:59:57 pm ---which of these studies (if any) used raw rather than pasteurized dairy to reach their conclusions?
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This is irrelevant since many of the studies focus on the harm done by excess calcium or hormones, both of which are present in raw dairy as well as pasteurised dairy.
LePatron7:
--- Quote from: TylerDurden on January 11, 2014, 02:29:19 am --- This is irrelevant since many of the studies focus on the harm done by excess calcium or hormones, both of which are present in raw dairy as well as pasteurised dairy.
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In regards to the calcium, it's likely it was done on feed lot milk which is very low in Vitamin K2. Pastured raw milk is generally very high in Vitamin K2, which helps direct the calcium where it needs to go. Supposing there's sufficient Vitamin K1 being consumed along with the raw milk, it would prevent the calcification of soft tissues. Still doesn't address the imbalance of mag and cal though.
CitrusHigh:
9'000 years? Is that qualified somewhere?
When will folks get it into their skulls that modern dairy, even 100% Grass fed is NOT the same as old school, heirloom, wild-crafted dairy. The molecules matter, the genetics matter and for people like you who know better Ty, it is downright misleading for you to attempt to apply a bunch of bullshit studies to old school milk consumption. There are just too many variable for that to be a credible statement. The only substance that the bulk of your studies indict, is modern dairy, and probably mostly hormone and antibiotic laden, pasteurised and homogenized, which is serious weak sauce and kind of embarrassing....
But you are not personally biased based on your outlying past experiences right Ty? Bahahahahaha ;p
CitrusHigh:
You think that with proper amounts of k2 your body can't adequately and healthfully resolve alleged issues of cal/mag?
Why am I the only one that recognizes the sheer majesty of our illustrious history of evolution? We are some of the baddest ass wet machines around, and our optimization systems are crazy adaptable GIVEN SUFFICIENT molecularly intact inputs, ie raw foods, especially raw animal foods, and clean, groundwater.
LePatron7:
--- Quote from: Thoth on January 11, 2014, 03:56:52 am ---You think that with proper amounts of k2 your body can't adequately and healthfully resolve alleged issues of cal/mag?
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Not necessarily. The body needs magnesium and calcium, both should be consumed in relatively even amounts. Milk is a relatively poor source of magnesium, and there aren't many animal foods that are very high in magnesium. A lot of RAF'ers choose to eat minimal amounts of plant foods.
One cup of milk has 276 mg of calcium - http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/dairy-and-egg-products/69/2
To compare, shell fish which has often been touted as being a magnesium power house has 39.5 mg magnesium per 6 medium shell fish - http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/finfish-and-shellfish-products/4189/2
Most animal foods aren't very high in magnesium. But assuming you were to consume equal amounts of calcium to magnesium from just those two foods, you'd need about 41 medium shell fish for every 1 cup of milk to get a 1:1 ratio (the ratio that many think we evolved consuming). That sounds like a lot of shell fish.
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