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What nutrients could I be lacking that dairy provides?
« on: December 25, 2012, 08:23:53 am »
I usually eat a partly raw, partly cooked paleo diet. Not too many carbs, but some to maintain my weight.

I also eat raw butter to maintain or even gain, and I feel good on it. I usually avoid other dairy, but a while ago when there was not much else to eat and supermarkets closed I ate a large amount of cheese.
Lately I haven't been looking as well, maybe a little sick, with dark circles under my eyes that I usually don't have, but the next day I was glowing, with clearer skin and no dark circles.
At first I did not even connect it with the cheese, but whenever I snuck some cheese I noticed a change, sometimes even the same day, like my skin would be less greasy and softer.

When I first transitioned to a paleo diet, my skin was great. I did not have problems, but it looked better still, just healthier and more clear.
But after a little while, I noticed cheating even the slightest bit can cause me acne for weeks. Atm I have a hard time getting rid of it, which also might have to do with the return of my period since the birth of my son, but certain diet habits at least better it.

I would have expected dairy to cause me to break out, not the opposite. I don't really want to consume dairy, so I am hoping to find out what dairy provides that I might be missing?
Is a lack of calcium really a myth? Could it be my body is so used to the hormones from dairy that my skin does better with it? (not that I want the hormones :/), I remember the birth control pill having a similar effect, not taking it atm.

I would like to find whatever I am lacking in other foods.
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Re: What nutrients could I be lacking that dairy provides?
« Reply #1 on: December 25, 2012, 08:35:19 am »
Was the cheese raw?
If I eat pasteurized cheese or cooked cheese or cheese that is heated beyond the cows normal temperature I have plenty of issues.

Aajonus Vonderplanitz claims that cheese doesn't really provide any nutrition but instead acts like a carrier to remove toxins from the system.

All I know is that I can eat all the raw cheese I want.

Our farmer used to make it but the couple split up so no more cheese, so I started making cheddar. The first batch was slightly sour tasting, but hopefully the next will be better.
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Re: What nutrients could I be lacking that dairy provides?
« Reply #2 on: December 25, 2012, 08:41:50 am »
Ayurveda basically says that cheese is indigestible.

Bearing in mind that in India, raw milk is not really available from what I hear, due partly to the hot climate I suppose and partly because cows in India are basically scavengers unlike cows in North America. Every Indian I know says that.
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Re: What nutrients could I be lacking that dairy provides?
« Reply #3 on: December 25, 2012, 11:24:50 am »
I would like to find whatever I am lacking in other foods.

Here is my contribution to this thread.  Hopefully others can synthesize and give a more coherent explanation.

I used organic raw cow's milk to help heal my then 10 year old son's large intestines / remaining poop malformation last year December 2011.
It was a temporary 3 weeks raw cow's milk diet until his poop was fully formed and stopped when he started getting constipation and mucus.  This was a special cow and I drove up the nearby mountain every 4 days to renew supplies.

I had this healing intuition judging from the course of his bad health, crisis and treatments that were working.  And this temporary raw milk diet worked!

Flashback, his large intestines were wrecked by pockets filled with impacted stools.  The wrecking reached his small intestines which resulted in massive leaky gut.  His intestines exhibited candida as Aajonus Vonderplanitz described as garbage men to clean up the pools of blood internally.  The cure we followed was:

- olive oil enemas to escort out the pockets filled with impacted stools... coupled with a powerful detoxifier. (Sanchi)
- LBB capsules to enable peristalsis / movement of the colon which was effectively paralized.
- special homeopathic nutritional injections to provide nutrients while his intestines were offline
- 2 weeks of only raw duck eggs from pristine provincial source... Palawan province.
- along with 2 weeks of diluted orange juice fasting.
- then raw paleo diet for weeks.

but his poop wasn't fully formed to satisfaction... so I intuitively thought of putting him on a temporary raw cow's milk and found a pristine source in the mountain near us, some 90 minutes drive.

That temporary raw milk diet was a smashing success.

I hope you guys can put some synthesis and explanation in this.

Here is an old raw milk article I dug up:
http://eczemacure.info/2009/08/08/real-raw-milk-cures-many-diseases-such-as-psoriasis/

I think we humans should be consuming more raw blood on a regular basis.  But it seems raw milk is the more modern more appealing method.  Milk is somewhat like blood in some aspects.
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Re: What nutrients could I be lacking that dairy provides?
« Reply #4 on: December 25, 2012, 01:51:27 pm »
Some people do really well on dairy.  Grassfed dairy can contain quite a lot of vitamin A, depending on the time of year (spring, mainly, but also fall as well, and summer to some degree). 

My suggestion would be to supplement magnesium if you're going to use raw dairy regularly. Dairy is excessively high in calcium, and can throw off your body's calcium/magnesium ratio.

Also, make absolutely sure it's raw and grassfed.

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Re: What nutrients could I be lacking that dairy provides?
« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2012, 05:21:08 am »
Was the cheese raw?
If I eat pasteurized cheese or cooked cheese or cheese that is heated beyond the cows normal temperature I have plenty of issues.

Aajonus Vonderplanitz claims that cheese doesn't really provide any nutrition but instead acts like a carrier to remove toxins from the system.

All I know is that I can eat all the raw cheese I want.

Our farmer used to make it but the couple split up so no more cheese, so I started making cheddar. The first batch was slightly sour tasting, but hopefully the next will be better.

Maybe it does carry out some toxins for me then?
I seem to have good effects with both raw and pasteurized dairy (weirdly), although I will have to compare the difference more by eating only raw cheese for a while. I think that is something I want to try soon.

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That is very interesting! Sadly I don't have a clue why it worked, but I am interested to know more also.
Glad your son is better. Your children are lucky to have you as a health expert.

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Re: What nutrients could I be lacking that dairy provides?
« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2012, 05:23:55 am »
Some people do really well on dairy.  Grassfed dairy can contain quite a lot of vitamin A, depending on the time of year (spring, mainly, but also fall as well, and summer to some degree). 

My suggestion would be to supplement magnesium if you're going to use raw dairy regularly. Dairy is excessively high in calcium, and can throw off your body's calcium/magnesium ratio.

Also, make absolutely sure it's raw and grassfed.

I want to make sure that I consume only raw and grasfed dairy, but since this is hard to find and pricey I was thinking of consuming small amounts every few days, just to see if I still get the benefits.
I read raw butter is not the same as other raw dairy? But I am still consuming a lot of raw butter on a daily basis. Will have to find some magnesium.
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Re: What nutrients could I be lacking that dairy provides?
« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2012, 12:22:53 pm »
I want to make sure that I consume only raw and grasfed dairy, but since this is hard to find and pricey I was thinking of consuming small amounts every few days, just to see if I still get the benefits.
I read raw butter is not the same as other raw dairy? But I am still consuming a lot of raw butter on a daily basis. Will have to find some magnesium.

My guess is that it's the vitamin A in the dairy that's helping you.  Have you tried any other sources of vitamin A?

it could also be the vitamin K as well.

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Re: What nutrients could I be lacking that dairy provides?
« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2012, 03:11:05 am »
My guess is that it's the vitamin A in the dairy that's helping you.  Have you tried any other sources of vitamin A?

it could also be the vitamin K as well.

So far I haven't knowingly added vitamin A. into  my diet, also because I thought it is bad for women, but now I think it is nothing but FDA propaganda...My multivitamin provides 800ug RE of Vit. A and 75ug of Vit. K 1. It also contains 150 ug of Iodine, and I am unsure if that is okay for my thyroid.

Liver has Vitamin A right? I should try to get some liver for me and my little one.
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Re: What nutrients could I be lacking that dairy provides?
« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2012, 04:30:17 am »
How much k2 do you get from your diet Suiren?

Also I like what you did for your sig, I think everyone should have a list like that in theirs!

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Re: What nutrients could I be lacking that dairy provides?
« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2012, 08:19:53 am »
Thoth I really don't know :/ I honestly did not pay too much attention to vitamins. Just made sure to eat a variety.

I thought the sig is definitely good for comparing  :)
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Re: What nutrients could I be lacking that dairy provides?
« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2012, 09:02:39 am »
So far I haven't knowingly added vitamin A. into  my diet, also because I thought it is bad for women, but now I think it is nothing but FDA propaganda...My multivitamin provides 800ug RE of Vit. A and 75ug of Vit. K 1. It also contains 150 ug of Iodine, and I am unsure if that is okay for my thyroid.

Liver has Vitamin A right? I should try to get some liver for me and my little one.

Liver has a large amount of vit A. Make sure it's grassfed.  For liver, it's very important. I think it'll be an interesting experiment, to see if it helps as much as the cheese.

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Re: What nutrients could I be lacking that dairy provides?
« Reply #12 on: December 28, 2012, 10:00:35 am »
Yeah, would you be offended if I copied you? I really, genuinely think it's a great idea for people who are comfortable sharing their health challenges and successes! My angle is helping others cure problems that they think they can't, and if you have a whole board full of people who have beat common issues, then it would be easy for newbies to say, "hey, I see you [remineralized your teeth/cured your cancer/got rid of your acne, etc], do you have any tips for me?" or something along those lines, or they can ask for detailed help on specific issues for specific conditions.

Actually I've thought about that kind of system in the recent past, and you manifested it! This could be a really big thing for raw paleo. If we could somehow get it in to a catalog so you can search members by the conditions they've cured or are making progress with. Modeling on success is hands down the BEST way to achieve health quickly, you can do it better on your own, but that takes so much longer! And this sort of a catalog system would make it a breeze.

I'm sure this idea will get poo'd by the admins, but it would be such an incredibly powerful tool to help others, I hope it will get a chance!

The reason I asked about k2 is because IMO it's the most difficult (and one of the most critical!) vitamins to get, and it always seems to be surrounded by high nutrient density and other very critical vitamins. In otherwords, k2 tends to be in foods that we need to eat, and those foods tend to cause us to grow the best. So focusing on those foods may give you the best chance of healing, along with any other foods that might be specific to your particular issues.

Brie, gouda, fish eggs, natto, FCLO, pastured organs/fat, etc

The brie and the gouda apparently don't even have to be raw, organic or grassfed (though it should be of course!), the bacterial culture produces bioavailable K2 from the milk, apparently even if it's garbage milk. Now I know you'd rather stay away from raw dairy, but it may have some benefits for you in the present and maybe could be dropped later.

What kind of cheese did you eat from the supermarket? Also, I highly recommend, if you have regrowing wisdom teeth, that you move hill and mountain to make sure you're getting as much k2 as you need so it's putting the bone in the right place in your body and so that tooth grows in as properly as possible. I'm almost certain that mine are coming in too, the lump seems to be getting bigger where those teeth should be.

Also, I noticed that foods high in K2 satisfy me particularly, almost always, in a profound way.

Just some thoughts, keep up the great work!
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Re: What nutrients could I be lacking that dairy provides?
« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2012, 08:00:16 am »
No, I wouldn't be offended at all! Go ahead!
I also think it would be a good idea. Whenever I have a problem, I search for people who have went through the same problem.

I have shared my story on other sites and have received thanks by many that went through similar problems and found it helpful (especially about hair loss). I am glad if it can help others or prevent the problem even.

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Brie, gouda, fish eggs, natto, FCLO, pastured organs/fat, etc

I love natto and fish eggs! Brie and Gouda is widely available, and I think I could get raw Brie. What is FCLO?

Another thing that worries me about dairy is the Casein. I have been trying to find out if Butter contains casein, because of the negative effects A1 casein can have on mental health. I am prone to brain fog. It has gotten better since cutting out grains, but it is not all gone.

My new teeth really are very small it seems. I read that is common for fourth molars, they are underdeveloped. But maybe more will grow, I can see something light under my gum line.
I still have one baby tooth (molar), that I am hoping to keep, since there is no adult tooth underneath, I wonder if K2 could help with that?

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Re: What nutrients could I be lacking that dairy provides?
« Reply #14 on: December 29, 2012, 12:49:31 pm »
Is it common for people not to lose a baby molar?

If anything in the whole world would help with tooth and bone issues, it's definitely K2, it's this molecule's job to direct calcium by activating bone-forming and dissolving cells, such as osteoblasts and osteoclasts. So, assuming you're getting enough dietary minerals and dietary k2, and you are otherwise healthy (to the extent possible in your circumstances) you should be looking at the best possible natural outcome for your teeth. After that it's up to genetics.

In my studies of molecular biology and epigenetics over the past year I've learned that the body has fail safes and repair mechanisms built in to the DNA code. Let's pretend that an epigenetic gene control switch for your teeth has been damaged by your lifestyle prior to RAF. There is the possibility with epigenetics that eating the right foods, or taking the right herbs or whatever your stimulus is can cause these genes/switches to turn on and/or repair damaged code and/or replace the relevant unhealthy cells or in this case cause you to regrow teeth, or grow teeth that you might not have on a crappy diet. This is way simplified and not entirely accurate of a picture, but it's a possible mechanism here.

Butter definitely does contain trace amounts of casein if my reading has been correct. Also in most cases there's some residual moisture left over, at least with artisinal raw butter and this is probably where a lot of the casein is hanging out. If you're hypersensitive then you'd definitely want to experiment with butter, and, if your raw butter still has some buttermilk on/in it, then you may want to let it get soft and work it with a spoon until it's all out of there, you will want to rinse it in ice cold water as well to get all of the buttermilk (source of casein) off. You may have to do each step a few times, and it won't be perfect, but probably purer than when you buy it, you will be able to tell, the droplets liquid will be noticeable.

FCLO is fermented cod liver oil by the company Green Pastures . Should have high k2 levels since it tests high for quinones, as in Menaquinone -7,4, etc , not very much out there on k2 unfortunately.

BTW has anyone read the new book 'Vitamin K2' by doctor Kate something, she's a cutie, and is apparently brilliant too. I haven't read it, but it's at number one on my list as soon as I can get it. I've been wanting someone to write a book on k2 for a while!

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Re: What nutrients could I be lacking that dairy provides?
« Reply #15 on: December 29, 2012, 03:27:22 pm »
Yeah, would you be offended if I copied you? I really, genuinely think it's a great idea for people who are comfortable sharing their health challenges and successes! My angle is helping others cure problems that they think they can't, and if you have a whole board full of people who have beat common issues, then it would be easy for newbies to say, "hey, I see you [remineralized your teeth/cured your cancer/got rid of your acne, etc], do you have any tips for me?" or something along those lines, or they can ask for detailed help on specific issues for specific conditions.

Actually I've thought about that kind of system in the recent past, and you manifested it! This could be a really big thing for raw paleo. If we could somehow get it in to a catalog so you can search members by the conditions they've cured or are making progress with. Modeling on success is hands down the BEST way to achieve health quickly, you can do it better on your own, but that takes so much longer! And this sort of a catalog system would make it a breeze.

I'm sure this idea will get poo'd by the admins, but it would be such an incredibly powerful tool to help others, I hope it will get a chance!


As far as factual stuff goes, the mods mostly have excellent memories for "who cured what and how".  Also any memory deficiency we have as a group of mods is easily helped with the Google custom search for the forum.

However, if we lost too many of the current mods, this might be a useful system to put together.


 

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