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Hybridized Fruits
« on: August 05, 2014, 12:27:50 am »
I've recently read about hybridized fruits, and how they can have 30-50 times more sugar than their wild counterparts. i believe i actually heard it from a Dr. Brian Clement video.  Can anyone confirm this? 30 times seems a bit much, we would be eating fruits with 100s of grams of sugar? And like most other people, i love fruit salads in the morning. its got me very concerned. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pY9ipBOwRP8

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Re: Hybridized Fruits
« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2014, 12:35:03 am »
yeah. That is why I do not eat fruit at all anymore. If, I only do the wild stuff. I am a huge fan of wild foods anyways.
Fruit has only hurt me long term.

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Re: Hybridized Fruits
« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2014, 02:31:16 am »
I've recently read about hybridized fruits, and how they can have 30-50 times more sugar than their wild counterparts. i believe i actually heard it from a Dr. Brian Clement video. 

It's utter nonsense to generalize. It all depend on the fruit species, it’s ripeness, etc. For example wild fruits such as arbutus or cempedak are extremely sweet, more than most cultivated fruits — some of which have almost no sugar.

I’ve been eating a lot of fruits during 50 years and they’ve done me a lot of good.
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Re: Hybridized Fruits
« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2014, 03:25:35 am »
You are right about that it is all about context.
But people usually do not want to see the context, and then they get hurt. Like I did. I lived in a country where no Cempedac could ever grow, way too little sun and cold too. But still i ate it. So it hurt me.

I am all for eating wild fruits when they grow in season... except.. if you live a unnatural life in a city and get no sun and grounding. Then I would stay away from sugar no mater what - even if they grow right outside your window.

That is how important sun is for us.... and nature...

Cultivated fruits still have a way higher sugar content than their wild ancestors. Just take the difference between a wild durian and a cultivated. The difference it pretty darn big! Cause I have had both.... don't get me started about other fruits.... banana.. wild and cultivated.. big difference


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Re: Hybridized Fruits
« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2014, 03:49:18 am »
 
I am all for eating wild fruits when they grow in season... except.. if you live a unnatural life in a city and get no sun and grounding. Then I would stay away from sugar no mater what - even if they grow right outside your window.

By reasoning that way, when living in a city apartment one should avoid all raw food as well  and probably stay away from any food altogether — not to speak of sailors who should eat fish only when at sea!  ;)

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Cultivated fruits still have a way higher sugar content than their wild ancestors. Just take the difference between a wild durian and a cultivated. The difference it pretty darn big! Cause I have had both....

I completely disagree. I also ate a lot of all varieties of wild and cultivated durians during my stays in Sri Lanka, Thailand, Indonesia and… also imported in US, Switzerland or France. The wilder they are, the better they taste to me, but wild one are much smaller. Sweetness doesn’t vary much form one variety to another, it’s rather their state of ripeness that makes a difference.
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Re: Hybridized Fruits
« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2014, 09:54:51 am »
do you guys have a list of fruits you completely avoid? im talking about ones from the supermarket(whole foods). I currently dont have access to wild fruits.

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Re: Hybridized Fruits
« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2014, 02:27:59 pm »
do you guys have a list of fruits you completely avoid? im talking about ones from the supermarket(whole foods). I currently dont have access to wild fruits.
It has been my humble experience that a lot of us have some slight food-intolerance to various groups of foods. In my own case, despite being on a raw, palaeolithic diet for many years, I still find I have a slight food-intolerance towards tropical fruits like pineapples or coconuts, as well as to raw eggs if I eat the latter in large quantities.
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Re: Hybridized Fruits
« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2014, 02:29:24 pm »
do you guys have a list of fruits you completely avoid? im talking about ones from the supermarket(whole foods). I currently dont have access to wild fruits.

Go to a farmer's market or to an organic shop if you can.
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Re: Hybridized Fruits
« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2014, 03:38:50 pm »
do you guys have a list of fruits you completely avoid? im talking about ones from the supermarket(whole foods). I currently dont have access to wild fruits.

Check out which one has a high fructose content. Avoid them. Choose the one with more glucose instead.
The more cultivated ones tend to have more fructose too.

Like, papaya, figs, plums, berries, pomegranate... etc

Choose the one with stone/kernels - the more the better! Also a sign of less cultivated / more natural stuff

Always choose organic, and ripe

I do still recommend from my heart, if you have health issues - avoid fruits
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« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2014, 06:12:01 pm »
Oh, I'm very far from hating you, but I disagree with you on many topics! Can't we disagree without hating each other?   :)
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Re: Hybridized Fruits
« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2014, 07:21:18 pm »
Oh, I'm very far from hating you, but I disagree with you on many topics! Can't we disagree without hating each other?   :)

Agree with me that I find Inger very very pretty! :)

I do still recommend from my heart, if you have health issues - avoid fruits

I have experienced this in my healing service with our driver.
He was down with pneumonia.
I took care of him for 10 days 24 hours a day.
The first 2 days I put him on raw fruitarian thinking that would be the easiest for him to digest.
Lo and behold he was not digesting fruit... he still pooped fruit!
On the 3rd day I switched him to raw carnivorous.
And on day 10 he was cured. (8 no fruit days).
On the day he left he smiled at the smell of atis.  So I gave him atis.

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Re: Hybridized Fruits
« Reply #11 on: August 06, 2014, 02:55:25 am »
 Love you guys   :-*  :-*  :-* but i am not as pretty as you think lol
but I am working on it  ;)

Francois might be we need to agree to disagree on some topics  ;)

If you go and watch what I eat these days in my journal you might want to come visit tho  ;D
I am closer to you now, in north Germany, i might come by one day  :)  :)  :) maybe in winter when I need some sun, if you let me!

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Re: Hybridized Fruits
« Reply #12 on: August 06, 2014, 03:54:07 am »
You'll be welcome here, dear, so that we can sort out these disagreements and compare our ways to open oysters! I tried your way yesterday but had no success with it; so I used my way, which is much easier!  :)

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« Reply #13 on: August 08, 2014, 12:26:57 am »
Nice  :)  :)  :)

Francois please tell me how do you open up oysters, i might do it all wrong? I need help with the big ones, I one morning fought for at least 5 minutes to get that 20 cm long bastard open!  l)
 
The small ones are easy.. but the big ones.. no  :'(

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« Reply #14 on: August 08, 2014, 01:40:04 am »
let me suggest,,   first I assume you have an oyster knife..   With the ones that are closed lipped,,  lay it down, and punch a hole right near the end of the oyster near the lip,, do this with the point of the knife.   Now, you have an opening to push in the tip of the knife.    Works pretty well.  No more jabbed hands from extreme shoving the knife towards the oyster holding hand. 

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« Reply #15 on: August 08, 2014, 02:55:01 am »
Oh my, how easily we go off-topic (LOL)... I have two ways to open an oyster.

#1 Easy oysters can be opened with an oyster knife at the hinge. Wrap the oyster in a towel with hinge exposed, hold the oyster at your thigh for leverage, push in at the hinge with knife point, make a gentle grunting noise, then twist.

#2 Stubborn oysters can be whacked at the lip edge to break the shell, then use your oyster knife to pry and twist through the opening. GS made a video of this using a machete. I use a hammer to make the opening.
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« Reply #16 on: August 08, 2014, 04:23:57 am »
Unfortunately I'm alone here and I’ve got only 2 hands, so it's difficult to take a photo because I need both hands to open the beast... So, I typed “opening oysters” on Google and then “images” but there’s not a single photo of somebody opening them the way I do! They all aim their knife to their hand holding the oyster, which is dangerous because if the knife slips sideways, its tip goes straight in the holding hand…  >: Most use a towel, which is not only unnecessary but also an hassle.

I think Van does it the same way than I, but I’m not sure.

First, put the animal on a plate, with the tip (hinge) pointing at you and the domed half-shell down — the flat half-shell up. Now you just hold the oyster inclined at about 45°  by its hinge side with 3 fingers of your left hand, in the way that the thrust of your knife will react on the plate, not on your left hand. With your oyster knife in the right hand, you insert it at the jointure between the half shells, at about the middle of the oyster length. The tip of the knife should be facing the adductor muscle of the animal (with an angle that aims it away of your left hand), so by thrusting it inside and then varying its angle, you cut that muscle. Now, you can twist the knife to use it as a lever to force the thing open. Ok ?

For very large ones, it could be difficult to find the jointure between the half shells and to push the knife inside. In such a case, I make a flat spot by banging with the back of a bigger knife, so that I’ll be able to insert the oyster knife on that tiny white flat.  ;)
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Re: How to Open Oysters
« Reply #17 on: August 08, 2014, 09:32:37 am »
We have a thread about how to open oysters.

http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/display-your-culinary-creations/how-to-open-live-oysters/

At the start of the thread I have a video showing my technique.

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Re: How to open oysters
« Reply #18 on: August 08, 2014, 02:18:06 pm »
Could a mod split that thread and merge the posts about oysters with the dedicated one?

GS, your way is a 3th, unconventional one! It seems to be the easiest, but as Phil mentioned, since you don't cut the adductor muscle, some shell remains attached to the flesh and it's difficult to separate it afterwards.  Shell fragments taste bad, at least to me.   
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