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Raw Paleo Diet Forums => Hot Topics => Topic started by: RawZi on August 12, 2010, 04:24:13 pm
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Hi. I'm asking this because of what my ailing son brought up to me. He's on a raw diet of raw milk, raw honey and raw fruit. He rarely eats anything else, rarely a salad. He used to be a cooked vegan (and a raw vegan), and got extremely chronically ill (not due to diet according to modern medicine). The doctors tested him for B12, iron, protein, calcium, thyroid, liver/kidney panels, all was fine. They wouldn't do the tests we wanted. Eventually he realized he needed raw animal food (had tasted cooked years before with terrible reactions), so he started with the milk and honey. He knows now that he needs to change again, perhaps eat raw meat. He's scared to eat raw meat and not that he thinks it will make him worse, but that he may need a hospital anyway, and if he told them he ate raw meat, they might play like before (nurse/doctors/staff have hurt him strange stories).
Would you go to a hospital? Would you if you were weak and ill? Would you eat the meat anyway in his situation? Any recommendations for him? All raw meat eating friends welcome. I would welcome raw veg friends, but I'll ask you in your forum if I want to. Thank you all.
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Hospitals ERs are good for certain emergencies.
What if your son started with easy raw meats?
Something familiar and "safe" like sashimi in a Japanese restaurant?
Or raw eggs?
Or oysters (which I always thought was eaten raw because I grew up eating it raw).
When I first experimented with oysters I knew there were possible red tide pollution.
I was ready with a powerful colon cleanser and tree iodine.
I did get red tide pollution.
I thought I'd die.
My body reflexes acted, poop and puke.
Same thing happened with a bad raw chicken liver.
I now stick to clean oysters, clean beef liver sources. They haven't let me down yet.
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As I move to low carb, I'm worried that if that happened they'd inject me with glucose or something and it would mess me up.
I might get a bracelet that tells them not to.
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Thanks guys :)
Still looking for more.
Something familiar and "safe" like sashimi in a Japanese restaurant?
Or raw eggs?
Or oysters (which I always thought was eaten raw because I grew up eating it raw).
When I first experimented with oysters I knew there were possible red tide pollution.
I was ready with a powerful colon cleanser and tree iodine.
I did get red tide pollution.
I thought I'd die...
I now stick to clean oysters, clean beef liver sources. They haven't let me down yet.
Yeah, we know, if he broke his leg, we'd go to emergency. He did break his foot, and we went. The hospital was good. They offered him pain medicine too. Although he was in a lot of pain, he did not accept the medicine. A bit of a story, I won't bore you. They gave him a special boot, they bandaged his foot, and gave him crutches. I don't remember a cast on that one. It was a small break.
I'll look out for red tide. If he does start with raw meat, I think oysters are likely his first choice. What is tree iodine? Is there a colon cleanse that might be best? No way he wants raw eggs. Sashimi would be a possible first choice for/by him too, but made at home. He's had vegan sushi in restaurants, but has told me if he ever eats raw fish, he wants it prepared by family, not strangers. My man suggested restaurant sashimi to him too (several times), so we've been over that. Good idea on the clean beef/liver sources. I think raw liver/beef are more acceptable as "parasite free"/not danger of salmonella. Doctors might not be so uptight about it. I doubt he would eat beef ever though, knowing him. Bison/buffalo a possibility though. :) thanks!
As I move to low carb, I'm worried that if that happened they'd inject me with glucose or something and it would mess me up.
I might get a bracelet that tells them not to.
Good idea on the bracelet. I'll look into that. Good luck! :)
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Obviously you know what reaction they would have if he told them he ate raw meat. It wouldnt be a good one. Therefore, I suggest using your wisdom and closely monitoring his symptoms. You know raw meat worked for you, why cant it work for him? Let him try it for a few days. If I went to the ER and they asked me if I had raw food, Id say "no I had pasteurized milk, and thats all I had" to stir up some drama. People have done this sort of stuff and ended up making a lot of money suing. Im not in favor of suing for no good reason, but its about time we start fighting back and getting vengeance for all the wrongs the grain and dairy industries have done.
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I've talked to your son before. If he feels comfortable, he can call me.
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Id go to the hospital with heaps of raw unsalted butter and honey and just eat that whilst undergoing any treatments.
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dear rawzi, i'm so excited that your son wants to eat raw meat. if you find a very reliable source of meat, than by the name of God, give him some. i hate to say that, in case of his emergency for God sake, i'll go to the hospital and lie to them about raw meat. that means let them to find out what's inside of his body 1st. anyway, they will not leave your son alone. they will treat him.
it happens to my son, when he started vomitting middle of the night in his sleep. than started bleeding. me and my husband got very worried and took him to the hospital. 1st they ask us some common questions and than they tested his blood and everything and found nothing. eating clean raw meat, no one gets sick (that i know so far). wishing you and your son the best.
P.S. don't forget to see the personal messages. i miss you rawzi.
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Thank you thank you thank you pioneer, KD, vladimir and raw. I'm giving him your messages and reading my messages. He has not tried meat yet (nor egg nor rennet cheese). I still don't know if the future will hold these foods, but I feel the meat will help him better than anything else more and more as time goes on.
:) just showed him lady gaga's publicity meat dress and bikini. He actually likes the way the dress looks. One never knows.
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i love the lady gaga's photo too. so cool!
also i don't mind to talk with your son. i strongly believe that the raw meat is the most powerful curative, preventive diet. can't wait to see that when he's trying. probably we can see more miraculous things happening to him through raw meat diet.
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Also, if you can, you should try to see if he can eat organ and fat, the creme of the crop so to speak.
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I asked him pioneer. He said he would either eat pieces of fatty meat, or add butter if it still didn't feel like enough fat. He also said he would eat organs, if he ate (raw) meat.
Oh yeah, he hasn't tried (raw) fish yet nor (raw) shellfish. I add that in case anyone thought I wasn't including those in meat.
We also went to a restaurant recently that serves fish that wasn't frozen first and live shellfish. We'll probably do it there, him eat flesh, the first time when he decides to try. He ate salad. He's starting to eat more vegetables (agaian), as he's wanting variety in his diet. He's feeling worse with the vegetables though.
He's oil pulling now too.
i love the lady gaga's photo too. so cool!
also i don't mind to talk with your son. i strongly believe that the raw meat is the most powerful curative, preventive diet. can't wait to see that when he's trying. probably we can see more miraculous things happening to him through raw meat diet.
Yes, I want those miracles as soon as possible.
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Anyone have info on eating shark? Even dh is suggesting to him to eat meat. Son says he can't eat a nice animal, no cows, no pigs, maybe chicken or fish, but definitely a killer animal like shark, if he knew a healthy way.
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Anyone have info on eating shark? Even dh is suggesting to him to eat meat. Son says he can't eat a nice animal, no cows, no pigs, maybe chicken or fish, but definitely a killer animal like shark, if he knew a healthy way.
I've eaten raw shark. it had an excellent taste, far better than things like raw mackerel, even.
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Mako Shark is quite nice. It's similar in texture and taste to Swordfish IMO. :)
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I've eaten raw shark. it had an excellent taste, far better than things like raw mackerel, even.
Mako Shark is quite nice. It's similar in texture and taste to Swordfish IMO. :)
Thank you Tyler and Dan. He's still saying he wants to try it. I'll tell him it tastes better than mackerel. What kind of shark did you eat Tyler? Besides raw, was it fermented or anything that I might need to know? I tried a shark on the West coast. It was raw and the meat was a pretty light pink. I didn't like the taste. I haven't tried mako, Dan, but I've seen them before, and was talking about them today. I like raw swordfish. I wonder if I can get unfrozen good shark online.
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Something with the word "blue" in the title, I think. I admit I haven't had shark for some time now. I only got it via borough market regularly up till 2-3 years ago, and later on, an occasional shark of indeterminate subspecies in a fishmongers' in Kilburn.
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Something with the word "blue" in the title, I think. I admit I haven't had shark for some time now. I only got it via borough market regularly up till 2-3 years ago, and later on, an occasional shark of indeterminate subspecies in a fishmongers' in Kilburn.
Thank you!
I talked to him about fish tonight. He said he might eat swordfish (raw) too, as it is said to be an aggressive animal even for a fish. Also he's seen all kinds of fish, and the way squids and octopuses act, he doesn't like. So he said he might eat them too. I bought swordfish tonight. He said he might try it. To get shark, octopus and squid, there's a market somewhat further. I may go there in a couple of days. I hope they have some of those three. I'm glad there's a variety he seems willing to try now. He hasn't tried one yet though.
His stomach is bothering him a lot. He was on medicine for it for years. He's been off that since about a month after he started raw milk and after he left vegan. It seemed to have gotten all better. Now for several weeks it's been hurting from his navel to his solar plexus. We've suspected he might have something like an ameba for most of his life. Since about half his life ago it seems like he got something in addition to that. I'm thinking the raw meat may help his stomach.
He's been oil pulling about 20 min ea time at least once a day for the last few days.
He's been drinking too much sheep milk. I think even though it's excellent milk, that he's been drinking too fast, and he thinks it's part of what's hurting his stomach even more now.
He's picking up on my thoughts the last few days too. The only things different are the sheep milk and the oil pulling. Maybe they're affecting that. IDK.
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rawzi, i'm so glad that he's trying. he's such a good boy no doubt. can't wait to hear more miraculous thing about him. wishing his best. convey my love and prayer to him. :D
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dear rawzi, sunlight is an excellent source of energy. if you put him in the sun sometimes of a day, that will help him a lot. i realize nude sunbathing is excellent for human health. it's way better than oil pulling. sunbathing doesn't have any side effect, but oil pulling does have a side effect.
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sunbathing doesn't have any side effect, but oil pulling does have a side effect.
What's that side effect? Have you experienced it? What kind of oil have you tried?
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I talked to him about fish tonight. He said he might eat swordfish (raw) too, as it is said to be an aggressive animal even for a fish. Also he's seen all kinds of fish, and the way squids and octopuses act, he doesn't like. So he said he might eat them too.
I have to tell you Rawzi this line of thinking is hilarious. It definitely makes lots of sense but at the same time it makes me laugh. ;D
FWIW maybe eventually you should take him to a farm. Goats can be quite ornery and aggressive; maybe he'd be ok with trying their meat if he witnessed it first hand?
Glad to hear he might give some of the fish a try. It should do him lots of good. :)
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We decided in our family that if we end up in hospital coma blah blah that we will be fed a liquid raw meat/fat mix.
We will organise it for each other.
We recently had a family member in a coma for 30 days with head injuries, this is why we brought it up. I ketogenic diet is highly neural protective.
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rawzi, i'm so glad that he's trying. he's such a good boy no doubt. can't wait to hear more miraculous thing about him. wishing his best. convey my love and prayer to him. :D
Thank you. I will tell him. Right now his stomach is hurting a lot. He started taking a probiotic his MD recommended a week or so ago. It didn't help at all. He's thinking of taking some pharmaceutical for his stomach and reflux. He's been trying to drink some kale juice. We think it's making it worse.
dear rawzi, sunlight is an excellent source of energy. if you put him in the sun sometimes of a day, that will help him a lot. i realize nude sunbathing is excellent for human health. it's way better than oil pulling. sunbathing doesn't have any side effect, but oil pulling does have a side effect.
What are the known side-effects?
He says he wants to lay directly on the earth outside in the sun. He's done it one day so far. He did wear boxers and he was kind of shaded from the sun. He needs more encouragement to sun bathe. He used to love playing outside all day when small. I hope enjoys the sun soon now.
I bought CLO. Hopefully he'll try that too. I've been taking it this week. If I get no ill effects (none yet not that I'm expecting) and if I get positive effects (none noticeable yet), he said he will try it. Last year his vitamin D levels were tested by a top US endocrinologist. They were lower than he's ever seen. We bought vitamin D tablets. He's not taking them. It's hard for him to swallow much.
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What kind of oil have you tried?
He's using organic raw coconut oil we just bought.
He doesn't have any mercury or other heavy metal in his mouth, so we don't have to be concerned as for coconut stripping it off and getting it down his throat, not that he's swallowing any of the oil.
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It definitely makes lots of sense but at the same time it makes me laugh. ;D
FWIW maybe eventually you should take him to a farm. Goats can be quite ornery and aggressive; maybe he'd be ok with trying their meat if he witnessed it first hand?
Glad to hear he might give some of the fish a try. It should do him lots of good. :)
He always made people laugh. He likes that. We lived on a goat farm. He loves them. One did bite him, but it thought his hand was food. He wouldn't eat goat, but he loves to eat goat cream. I was thinking bulls are aggressive, but he loves bulls too, very much. No way he will eat them.
Thank you :) Yes, I feel it will too. He wants to eat the fish plain, nothing with it. He doesn't feel ready yet. He was looking at it this morning and asking about it. He didn't try smelling it, and doesn't want to yet. Maybe he'll try it for lunch.
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What's that side effect? Have you experienced it? What kind of oil have you tried?
itchy skins, sometimes abdominal pains, sometimes loose stools, burning sensation...etc is the side effects. i use, raw sunflower oil, coconut oil, sesame oil... and many other oils.
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We decided in our family that if we end up in hospital coma blah blah that we will be fed a liquid raw meat/fat mix.
That's so great, that you talked about it. If I was in a coma, I might want to be fed raw butter. In the past I always said if I was in a coma I'd want to be tube fed energy soup. I did have a family member who was in the hospital and couldn't eat via mouth. The doctors and hospital staff were too slow to allow or do anything. It was incredulously frustrating. It would have been better I think if more family members than just me and the patient were accepting of raw foods. The doctors didn't even try the exotic formulas I saw right there in the hospital pantry on that floor. They don't seem capable of acting or allowing quickly when something involves nutrition. What kind of meat do you think? What kind of fat? I read years ago marrow was always fed to the weak and infirmed.
We will organise it for each other.
So good you have each other in that way. It would be a miracle if anyone fed me that. I could go into detail, but it might get me angry. I'd have to get myself out of the coma most likely. Maybe I should try feeding my son butter when he sleeps. Maybe he'd get more energy, more calories in, and less (unheated) honey in proportion. He can tend to use a lot of that, IMO. I'll think about trying that. It should be as safe as the (raw grass grazed homemade 'fresh' never been frozen) butter he eats every day.
We recently had a family member in a coma for 30 days with head injuries, this is why we brought it up. I ketogenic diet is highly neural protective.
I ketogenic? Do you just mean ketogenic? I hope your family member is better now. Yes, 0 carb very high fat is perfect for comatose people I think.
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Thank you very much. I will convey everything.
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Marrow and ground beef with water in a blender might work. I would experiment.
I mean't Ketogenic no 'I' in front. I'm pretty busy at the moment so was in a rush.
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rawzi, genital section exposure in sunbathing -X is really helpful. people who eat strictly raw food without any starches, get the fast result. it's like complete food for your body and mind. instead of taking vitD supplements, replace this with sunbathing. your body will give you the prove by reducing the pain instantly, positive thoughts and hunger reduction also.
the complete paleolithic diet is incomplete for modern man without sunbathing. i always suffer for leg cramps , after one day of sunbathing that is gone now. also within a day, my gum's stop bleeding and sensitivities are gone now. all those tooth pain is gone now. oil pulling couldn't do that . it's so powerful that if i don't take any food or drink before sunbathing, i feel completely dizzy after sunbathing. i'd highly recommend to your son to do that. :)
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Marrow and ground beef with water in a blender might work. I would experiment.
I mean't Ketogenic no 'I' in front. I'm pretty busy at the moment so was in a rush.
I wonder whether white or red meat would be better for someone like that. Would the water harm their digestion. Yup, need to experiment, so that if one needs it, you'll be more ready. Very good.
Ok, I thought there' could be many kinds of ketogenic. No prob.
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rawzi, genital section exposure in sunbathing -X is really helpful. people who eat strictly raw food without any starches, get the fast result. it's like complete food for your body and mind. instead of taking vitD supplements, replace this with sunbathing. your body will give you the prove by reducing the pain instantly, positive thoughts and hunger reduction also.
We have neighbors above and behind us, it's a bunch of young college age guys. It probably doesn't matter though. I will suggest it of course. Yes, starch makes pain worse, but not stomach pain so much. Ah well.
the complete paleolithic diet is incomplete for modern man without sunbathing. i always suffer for leg cramps , after one day of sunbathing that is gone now. also within a day, my gum's stop bleeding and sensitivities are gone now. all those tooth pain is gone now. oil pulling couldn't do that . it's so powerful that if i don't take any food or drink before sunbathing, i feel completely dizzy after sunbathing. i'd highly recommend to your son to do that. :)
He hasn't tried any meat yet. He's thinking of vegetables or herbs. Problem is, they always hurt him. Most do. He hasn't taken medicine for his stomach yet. It's all his choice, what he treats his stomach with. He may try the fish first thing in the morning, but wants to pray first. He said he will eat fish with me in twenty years. I guess that's a good sign. I then asked him if he'll eat it with me sooner. He replied he would.
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Later on in the day on September 23 my son tried swordfish (raw). A day or so later he tried lobster (freshly dead raw). A couple days later he ate a clam (live). Two days ago he ate a small piece of boiled yucca root. He's had a lot of effects from these foods this past week. Some positives from the fishes. Since the yucca he feels extremely slowed down and his muscles feel terribly fatigued. Just now he passed a totally black stool. He's never seen a black stool before (he just now said). His stool has never been black. He wants to know if you guys think black stool is dangerous?
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Congrats to your son on taking the step and eating some RAF. I'm glad it's sat well with him. :)
As to the black stool it sound to me that the Yucca might have slowed his digestion so much that he absorbed almost all of the water in his stool. The only things that I would think would make a very dark stool would be dry stools or blood far up the digestive track (which he doesn't sound like he has as you're not mentioning pain). I'm sure there could be other explanations but I'm not sure what.
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Later on in the day on September 23 my son tried swordfish (raw). A day or so later he tried lobster (freshly dead raw). A couple days later he ate a clam (live). Two days ago he ate a small piece of boiled yucca root. He's had a lot of effects from these foods this past week. Some positives from the fishes. Since the yucca he feels extremely slowed down and his muscles feel terribly fatigued. Just now he passed a totally black stool. He's never seen a black stool before (he just now said). His stool has never been black. He wants to know if you guys think black stool is dangerous?
If it is black stool, it may have been the quality of his liver bile blending with the raw meat. Try a few more days.
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Congrats to your son on taking the step and eating some RAF. I'm glad it's sat well with him. :)
As to the black stool it sound to me that the Yucca might have slowed his digestion so much that he absorbed almost all of the water in his stool. The only things that I would think would make a very dark stool would be dry stools or blood far up the digestive track (which he doesn't sound like he has as you're not mentioning pain). I'm sure there could be other explanations but I'm not sure what.
Thanks :) Yes, it sat better than he thought.
His stool is always dry. Maybe I'll talk to you about that privately. He says it wasn't any drier after the yucca. His digestive track is in pain, but it's always in pain this past whole month before and including now that he started the raw meat (fish in this case), and this is why he started the raw fish. It's not in anymore pain than usual (the rest of this month). The quality of the pain is different though, after the yucca. I forgot to mention he ate several, maybe six or more, live oysters around the time he ate the swordfish or after the lobster, I don't remember. He's saying at the moment maybe he swallowed a few bits of that clam's shell (the clam I mentioned above previously), and wondering if that could have scratched his insides.
If it is black stool, it may have been the quality of his liver bile blending with the raw meat. Try a few more days.
He says he would like if this is the correct understanding of what's going on.
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dear rawzi, your son is a very very smart boy no doubt. we are learning even more through his own experiments. i wonder, if he likes the taste of those lobsters for real. god bless him. :D
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dear rawzi, your son is a very very smart boy no doubt. we are learning even more through his own experiments. i wonder, if he likes the taste of those lobsters for real. god bless him. :D
He said it was easier to swallow than the other fish. As far as taste, he said it was very weird. He says the taste was unusual and intense. He was still somehow getting the taste or the lobster somehow in the back of his mouth till yesterday.
people who eat strictly raw food without any starches, get the fast result. :)
He says he will listen to you now about starch. The yucca he ate a few days ago looks likely to be what triggered some problems now.
It appears his stool was black because of blood. He only poops every other day, so we don't know if the next poop is black. He thinks because it was a big clam, and he swallowed it whole down his small sensitive throat, that bits of shell were in the clam, and the bits of shell scratched his intestines. He's still worried about the stool. He says he may want a doctor to see him in a few hours. He is feeling better now, as far as energy, and thinks maybe the bleeding somehow had made him so incredibly exhausted, dopey and muscular fatigue and tightness. He hopes the blood thing is over. It looks like it may have been a lot of blood.
edit: He also ate passion fruit during that time. He still thinks it's the clam though. The reason we're mentioning the passion fruit is because he doesn't normally eat it, and the seeds were hard for him to chew. So maybe the seeds scratched, but they would have had to do it more quickly as for timing.
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He doesn't want to go to the hospital, yet. His muscles are not as tight as before, but are feeling tired. His chest and stomach are in pain. At home here we think he probably has several gastro and abdominal things going on, including hiatal hernia. He wants some minerals. We have a liquid mineral supplement. I can make a salad or juice. I'm thinking you guys would suggest the salad or supplement. He hasn't eaten flesh since the yucca. He's not sure whether he should right now. He never wanted to eat eggs, and still doesn't want chicken eggs, but has agreed if I find quail eggs, he may try them, but still has many doubts about that. He's lost 14 pounds in the past month. He wasn't trying to lose weight. He's not fat.
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We haven't gone to the hospital, he wants to wait it out. We're using herbal tonics, cooked hypoallergenic vegan foods, liquid mineral supplements, salads, high count probiotics etc. He's thinking of weaning himself off another one of his medications, an anticonvulsant. Having tooth problems.
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We haven't gone to the hospital, he wants to wait it out. We're using herbal tonics, cooked hypoallergenic vegan foods, liquid mineral supplements, salads, high count probiotics etc. He's thinking of weaning himself off another one of his medications, an anticonvulsant. Having tooth problems.
The probiotics will be the most help. I had what I thought was salmonella, I was having bloody stools. The only thing that seemed to work fast was taking a probiotic every couple hours.
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The probiotics will be the most help. ... The only thing that seemed to work fast was taking a probiotic every couple hours.
Thank you. Yes, he knows what he's eating now has very limited benefit. I'll offer him the probiotic formula more often for now, and tell him of your response.
Anyone know of or have links to quail raising for eggs? If he starts with them, it may be best. How about sucking raw meat and not swallowing the meat, just the juice. Anyone try that? Maybe he can tolerate that as a later step. He really needs more easily assimilable good nutrition.
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I would have him consume easily digestible foods. Eggs are a great source. I know many here dont follow Aajonus, but when I am sick and can not eat any solid food, and/or have an upset stomach, eggs always work wonders. Just make sure they are organic. I got salmonella from industrial cheap eggs before. I have eaten up to 2 dozen in 1 day without a problem. The biotin deficiency due to avidin from eggs actually turns out to be a rumor with no science. People can argue that eggs are not paleo, Fine, but neither is sitting at a computer for hours being exposed to electro radiation. Just saying... Hope he gets well soon.
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consume easily digestible foods. Eggs are a great source. I know many here dont follow Aajonus, but when I am sick and can not eat any solid food, and/or have an upset stomach, eggs always work wonders. ... I got salmonella from industrial cheap eggs before. I have eaten up to 2 dozen in 1 day without a problem. The biotin deficiency due to avidin from eggs actually turns out to be a rumor with no science. People can argue that eggs are not paleo, Fine, but neither is sitting at a computer for hours being exposed to electro radiation ... Hope he gets well soon.
Maybe I can find quail eggs today. I just emailed someone who may know where I can get them. I know people who had to start out with eggs till their digestion got good enough for meat. Oh ok that's where the salmonella came from. I'm telling him everything you said. Yes, radiation can drive me to I don't know what, but definitely no good. Thank you. :)
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Maybe I can find quail eggs today. I just emailed someone who may know where I can get them. I know people who had to start out with eggs till their digestion got good enough for meat. Oh ok that's where the salmonella came from. I'm telling him everything you said. Yes, radiation can drive me to I don't know what, but definitely no good. Thank you. :)
I love raw quail eggs, they are my 2nd favourite eggs, with goose eggs 2nd.
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Milk (raw) is kind of bothering him now. He tried the AY thing, a pinch of cinnamon, it made the milk do him worse.
I love raw quail eggs, they are my 2nd favourite eggs, with goose eggs ...
I got nice chicken eggs today, never been refrigerated, no soy feed, outdoors 24/7/31 Spring/Summer/Fall etc. He's not going to eat them. He even feels funny about thinking of any eggs, says there's nice little animals growing in them. I don't know where to get goose eggs here. The lady I talked to will tell me if one of her farm friends gets back to her on the quail. I will look elsewhere. Hopefully the quail will work out, and he'll want bigger eggs, and I'll get goose. He appreciates your input, thank you Tyler.
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sounds like you have created a boy who is a whiny, self-centered loser.
i wouldn't let you babysit any kid of mine
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RawZi how old is your son?
I have an idea what you can do about the chicken eggs, get ones that are unfertilized, and if he says "I don't want to eat them because there's animals inside"...tell him there are no animals until the egg is fertilized, meaning that he will not be eating a chicken's baby, he will be eating a chickens period...which is what an unfertilized egg really is....tell him if he doesn't eat it, this egg wont become an animal anyways, so it's like the animal's "fruit", if you get what I mean....Like trees when you eat an apple you're eating the tree's unfertilized "egg"! Maybe he'll see it differently then...
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Tell him to eat at least a few ounces of meat and eat some fresh coconut or other raw nuts so he can get some fat. While still eating some fruit if he chooses. Fresh fruits, raw nuts (to get some fat), raw meat, would be good to start him off.
I would recommend him giving up the honey because it can be addictive. Your son may have troubles with dairy also, as do I.
I would only go to the doctor for stitches or a broken bone. Ahhh wait, my sister could sew me up :)
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i wouldn't let you babysit any kid of mine
notedGoodSam, wild natural salmon is found at the Rustan's Supermarket of Ayala Mall in Cebu.
KlowCarb, i put my money where my mouth is, and got sterilized. Let's see you do it.
You made children?
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, this egg wont become an animal anyways, so it's like the animal's "fruit", if you get what I mean....Like trees when you eat an apple you're eating the tree's unfertilized "egg"! Maybe he'll see it differently then...
Good idea.
We were talking with a friend this morning who recommends goose eggs, stirred into a smoothie.
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Tell him to eat at least a few ounces of meat and eat some fresh coconut or other raw nuts so he can get some fat. While still eating some fruit if he chooses. Fresh fruits, raw nuts (to get some fat), raw meat, would be good to start him off.
I would recommend him giving up the honey because it can be addictive. Your son may have troubles with dairy also, as do I.
I would only go to the doctor for stitches or a broken bone. Ahhh wait, my sister could sew me up :)
He ate the fish with tomato and avocado. Maybe coconut and sweet fruit would work better for him. Thanks.
Yeah, he's cutting down on the honey, slowly. I think he would do better paleo than omnivore.Maybe once he's up to eating enough meat and meat fat, he'll eliminate the dairy. I really think he'd make a good natural hunter, when/if he's strong again.
Yup, we avoid doctors as we can too. We've had incident when others would have gone for stitches, but I took care of it instead. Especially handy to know how to stitch up when far into the forest, many miles from anyone else. We really don't trust or like doctors, but it is what it is.
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sounds like you have created a boy who is a whiny, self-centered loser.
i wouldn't let you babysit any kid of mine
I love your posts Alan, they always cheer up my day. ;)
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I love your posts Alan, they always cheer up my day. ;)
Yeah, I think he's durianrider.
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Rawzi, I always visualize us as being kings and queens. I think this because there would never be anyway regular peasants and indians would have ever had access to the foods we do, in the quantities we have them in, unless you were a king or queen. Back in the day, eggs and honey were given to royalty, and the royalty always got the best organs, the eyes, the tongue, the heart, the brain, etc... What I am trying to say is, the philosophy that we were not meant to eat eggs is, well, ok. Its an ok argument, but not that convincing. Just because a food was not that accessible does not mean it is not healthful. Eggs, honey, and various organs were known to be so healthful that they were given to royalty, and unfortunately, the peasants almost never got them, unless they were farmers themselves. So you are a queen and your son is a prince, everyone is happy. ;D
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Rawzi, I always visualize us as being kings and queens. ... So you are a queen and your son is a prince, everyone is happy. ;D
I showed what you wrote to him, Pioneer. He thinks it's very nice. I do too. Thank you!
He tried going back pretty much cooked vegan for a few days now; because he found it easier on his stomach. He's all raw again, but says he plans to eat a little starch, most likely millet, once a week for his stomach. He does want to try (raw) animal products again, but not yet. When he feels ready he will eat it. He's sure he's going to try (raw) swordfish again, as he got least reaction from that. He's not sure what else yet.
I'm going to get some unscented or orange flavored CLO Blue Ice by Green Pastures for him soon. That should help him too. I bought the cinnamon flavored Blue Ice, but after trying cinnamon with milk and it burning his throat, we're not going to try the cinnamon scented CLO on him.
He noticed his medicine works better when he ate the cooked. He still wants to do raw, just has to figure out more details, as just cutting off certain meds or going from cooked to raw to cooked to raw (high fat) on the dosages could potentially be dangerous when switching diet.
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He switched to a cooked simple vegan diet for a few days, as he said that felt best in his stomach. He also went back to (strong) prescription antacids now, and he hadn't been on them since adding milk and honey to his diet Spring/Summer 2009. He's trying to ween himself off the antacids without success this time so far. He did go back to raw vegetarian (no egg no rennet as always so far) after those few days of cooked vegan. About a little over a week after the bleeding, the bleeding stopped. We have not gone to a hospital. He wants to avoid hospitals still, after things doctors at hospitals did to him, those doctor he had seen proved they are creeps on him in front of me and dh etc. He's hesitant to try meat (raw fish) again. His diet is very limited. We're finding some other raw juices he'll drink, but not green juices. As for green juice, maybe cucumber, but not really any other can he stand at all. He does tolerate a little bit of kale/lettuce juice, and very infrequently. He doesn't drink green juice. His diet is unusual, raw and organic, but limited, next to nil variety. Wish us good luck/bless etc thanks.
PS (edit) He seems more agreeable that he might try a raw quail egg soon, or raw duck egg.
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He switched to a cooked simple vegan diet for a few days, as he said that felt best in his stomach. He also went back to (strong) prescription antacids now, and he hadn't been on them since adding milk and honey to his diet Spring/Summer 2009. He's trying to ween himself off the antacids without success this time so far. He did go back to raw vegetarian (no egg no rennet as always so far) after those few days of cooked vegan. About a little over a week after the bleeding, the bleeding stopped. We have not gone to a hospital. He wants to avoid hospitals still, after things doctors at hospitals did to him, those doctor he had seen proved they are creeps on him in front of me and dh etc. He's hesitant to try meat (raw fish) again. His diet is very limited. We're finding some other raw juices he'll drink, but not green juices. As for green juice, maybe cucumber, but not really any other can he stand at all. He does tolerate a little bit of kale/lettuce juice, and very infrequently. He doesn't drink green juice. His diet is unusual, raw and organic, but limited, next to nil variety. Wish us good luck/bless etc thanks.
Whats wrong with him? maybe I can help
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You want to talk? Let's pm phone numbers or something. Maybe he'll talk with you too. He's a great speaker, clear, intelligent, funny etc.
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Update:
He still isn't feeling ready to try meat again, but we've gotten some ideas from people coming off veg onto raw meat
1. Grind the meat and mix it with unheated honey. Seems to have worked for many I've talked with.
2. Muscle or kinestetically test first to see which meat to try EACH time. This too has worked for people I've talked with who've tried it.
I'll let you know when and how it goes. I hope this also helps other people to make similar transitions.
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A local Japanese restaurant prepares live scallop and live urchin. He is showing some interest. Maybe we'll bring unheated honey there in a few days, and see what happens. I hope he's not actually allergic to shellfish. If he was, do you think the honey would help that? He hasn't tried fish/meat with honey yet.
I wish they served live scaled/finned fish like they sometimes show on TV in Korea and Japan. Ah well, we cannot do what is not available. The live scaled fish, I don't know whether I could eat it easily, I doubt that. To teach him though, if available, I would. That is after watching someone else who's done it before, to get an idea. I know the texture of fish changes a couple of hours after slaughter. Anyone here try live fish besides bivalves?
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What do you think for someone with terribly weak digestion who's never eaten meat should start with? Infants and invalids used to use marrow, liver, yolks and chewed red meat, right?
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What do you think for someone with terribly weak digestion who's never eaten meat should start with? Infants and invalids used to use marrow, liver, yolks and chewed red meat, right?
honestly, to my understanding, there is no need to "work up" to starting raw meat. Raw meat digests great.
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honestly, to my understanding, there is no need to "work up" to starting raw meat. Raw meat digests great.
I was feeding someone recently who was terribly weak and could literally not eat anything at all. Even so, I could feed them (raw): eggs, liver and marrow. That's it to start, they could not tolerate other food, no vegetables not anything else. Maybe the same animal foods would be good for my son to start with too (if he chooses), for the next step to start eating healthier.
Before raw meat I had eaten (a little) of many foods recently before that. About all my son's been eating for a year and a half is (raw): fruit and butter. Before that he was only eating the following regularly once per week: boiled potatoes, some other vegetables and those veges were his whole diet. That was for about six years. In between he repeated some raw living food lifestyle veganism and did raw nh fruitarianism. Before that he was low total fat (not just overts and under 5%) vegan for almost two years. He was both strict pure vegetarian before that his whole life.
Aajonus has some people start on raw eggs (and maybe a raw butter at some point), no other foods, so as to build their digestion, if it was deficient from vegetarianism.
I'm like you. Raw (never been frozen) meat is so easy to digest. High meat is even better.
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He still hasn't gone to a hospital or ER. He's eating only butter and cream. He says the cream is kind of bothering him now. He drinks some milk. He eats berries, persimmons, oranges and apples, apricots, nectarines, grapes and cherries if they're in season. He rarely eats salad. He eats only raw never been frozen or warmed, only the best (grass fed organic on the produce). Fruit not refrigerated. Has not tried any eggs yet nor land meat at all. He's eating honey, very particular as to which. Has not been eating and no plans to fermented food of any kind, only the freshest, have not tried fermented honey yet. Some fermented here, he's not interested. I should buy it already intentionally fermented, I have not yet. No supplements at all, has not tried any of the CLO. No sunbathing.
I wish some people would come over and take him even if had to drag him into the sun every day, make it fun for him, bring girls. Maybe we'll get a dog now, and it will encourage him to be outside more again. Outdoors used to be good for him, and I can't help thinking he can get used to it again to thrive.
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You wouldn't need to worry about food poisoning, or any bad bacteria any more when you know about "Your Own Perfect Medicine".
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Everyone's stomach's digestive abilities are different, especially for one who is only eating fruit, honey, and milk. I suggest he start with an ounce or two of raw meat, grass fed, and over time, slowly work into eating more. He can also add HCL tablets to ensure there's enough HCL (acid) in his stomach. Main points: eat only when really hungry, eat small amounts and build gradually, don't mix it with any other foods, eat grass fed only, and wait at least two hours before eating anything else, let it digest fully. He can learn about his own body that way and learn as it normalizes or creates normal amounts of meat digesting agents. He should find out for himself after the first time eating raw meat that it went well and his trust should build naturally.
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Hi Zi. I see that this thread is an old one and long. I haven't read it in detail so forgive me if I don't have all the facts.
I want to say something that I personally think is extremely important when it comes to children. If your child is not of an age to make decisions for himself, if you take him to a hospital and tell anyone that you feed him raw food of any kind let alone raw meat and dairy, it is quite likely that child protective services will be informed and you are risking having your child taken from you. This HAS happened.... and what I have noticed having spent a great deal of time in hospitals in the last couple of years is that the default these days is to report you first if there is anything at all that anyone doesn't understand or makes them frightened. You need to be EXTREMELY careful what you tell anyone at a hospital. Don't tell them about diet unless absolutely necessary in order to save the child's life.
As far as your boy goes Zi - I doubt that starting him wisely,slowly and safely on raw animal foods is going to end up in a hospitalization. Have you talked to him about the idea of chickens by any chance? They can be almost as good pets as dogs and they will pop out eggs that he can then eat. Egg yolks are so easily digested! He can still start really slow - just a little taste at first. I've been feeding my chickens the ground pet and dog food I get from Slankers so you can feed your chickens your leftover meat. My chicken friends tell me they leave out meat to grow maggots that the chickens eat. Van convinced me to go out and start sprouting for my chickens (thanks Van). You can also start up a little garden for him to feed the chickens from - more time outside for him. I can talk him and you through raising bugs to feed his chickens too if you like.
I wouldn't start with meat from what you have said about him. I'd work up to it with egg yolks first and then when he does try meat - give him an eight of a teaspoon the first time. I mean - start so tiny and slow that it's almost imperceptible. That way - if anything is wrong it will likely only be a tiny bit wrong and not make for an ER visit - maybe just some nux vomica 30 c homeopathic if he gets a toxic reaction. If you bring him to the hospital - they will not have a clue how to help him anyway and with someone as sensitive and sickly - they could do greater harm. Medical mishaps are the third cause of death in the US - so avoid medical treatment if you can safely. Better to arm yourself. Make sure you have some good apple cider vinegar if he has trouble digesting as taking HCL could be too much for him. Also - activated charcoal should be in everyone's closet just in case.
You can do this and be safe.... if anyone can do it..... you can do it.
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You can do this and be safe.... if anyone can do it..... you can do it.
Hi Dorothy! :)
He's getting closer and closer to believing with all his heart that eating raw meat is the best food for man. He still has what he calls his "vegan ethics" though, so no dice.
From everything I know, I agree with you Dorothy, eggs should come before pieces of or ground muscle meat. Perhaps liver (raw etc of course) before the other meat. If you'll read here http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/hot-topics/what-would-u-do-if-u-felt-u-needed-an-er-but-had-just-eaten-raw-meat/msg48736/#msg48736 (http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/hot-topics/what-would-u-do-if-u-felt-u-needed-an-er-but-had-just-eaten-raw-meat/msg48736/#msg48736) you'll see where he's at on eggs. I would support him in doing the meat without eggs first, if or when he does it. He doesn't feel emotionally ready yet to eat terrestial meat.
He's had awful reactions when accidentally ingesting a tiny bit of cooked egg or meat in the past.
He did try raw fish earlier in this thread. We didn't go to a doctor or hospital when it turned terribly bad, it was his decision not to go. It was his decision to try the fish etc. He enjoyed the feeling eating it each of the first couple days. It was his suggestion I started this thread in the first place. He is of age and mind to decide whether to go to a doctor. He has had way out of the ordinary and ordinary in both cases through MDs very in depth psychological tests, and he has regular psych evaluations, and they find nothing wrong yet, in their expert opinons. They consider that there's nothing wrong with his mind, besides not being happy about being sick, but that's a normal response. He has a doctor of his own who since knowing us has investigated raw milk, and is a believer now, although not a practicer of it. This doctor is not very close by physically for an emergency, and son is concerned, so ..
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Main points: eat only when really hungry, eat small amounts and build gradually, don't mix it with any other foods, eat grass fed only, and wait at least two hours before eating anything else, let it digest fully. ... He should find out for himself after the first time eating raw meat that it went well and his trust should build naturally.
I share with him everything from this thread.
When he tried the fish, I think he did that, waited till he was very hungry, as he was not relishing the idea of the taste of animal, nor going against his vegetarian philosophy of by eating flesh comparing the body then to a cemetery (repository for dead bodies of animals).
I think he ate too much fish at each sitting. He was hungry! And he got it down his throat easily etc.
I think he ate it with tomato (organic ripened naturally), refused fat, if I recall, he ate cucumber with it?
It was wild-caught sustainablly harvested etc. He would never touch grain-fed.
I'm thinking land meat will work a lot better than fish, with his past several year history of nearly exclusively butter, fruit and honey.
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It sounds wonderful, thank you so much! Uropathy with his high fruit vegetarian diet makes a lot of sense. Fortunately or unfortunately, he reacts better to the idea of eating meat, so far. I will share this with him. I'm very happy for your healing! Hopefully my son will change his mind and read your information and use it.
@Dorothy, the reason more or less why I updated this thread at this time is because I was referring a forum member to it.
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I want to say something that I personally think is extremely important when it comes to children. If your child is not of an age to make decisions for himself, if you take him to a hospital and tell anyone that you feed him raw food of any kind let alone raw meat and dairy, it is quite likely that child protective services will be informed and you are risking having your child taken from you. This HAS happened.... and what I have noticed having spent a great deal of time in hospitals in the last couple of years is that the default these days is to report you first if there is anything at all that anyone doesn't understand or makes them frightened. You need to be EXTREMELY careful what you tell anyone at a hospital. Don't tell them about diet unless absolutely necessary in order to save the child's life.
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Even when the child is an adult, they'll most likely kick you out of their hospital room if they catch you feeding them raw food. Aajonus said he was kicked out for this, when he was healing his son from a car accident, according to We Want to Live.
Another point, to RawZi--urine drinking can be very useful for vegans. It helps them recover hormones and minerals from their urine that they would otherwise lose.
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I still think the trick will be extra small amounts only when really hungry. the tough part will be he'll still be hungry and for him to wait a couple of hours before he ingests his milk and fruit, which in my opinion, will dilute his stomachs ability to fully digest the meat. And not to combine the meat with other foods.
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It sounds wonderful, thank you so much! Uropathy with his high fruit vegetarian diet makes a lot of sense. Fortunately or unfortunately, he reacts better to the idea of eating meat, so far. I will share this with him. I'm very happy for your healing! Hopefully my son will change his mind and read your information and use it.
Unfortunately, I was on 80 10 10 raw vegan diet on the first month of uropathy. Although uropathy prevented me from getting sick that first month just by putting drops under tongue every half hour (that's when I knew it really worked), my full body eczema rash did not subside until I switched to a raw omnivorous paleo diet.
I really hope you or your son can download some 100% free ebooks to read about uropathy. It will really blow your mind. Beats any antibiotic, antifungal, antiparasitic, antiviral man-made drug or ointment.