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Then eat honey?  Are you afraid the fructose will kill you?  If you can't tolerate fruits or honey and need carbs I guess your only option is starch

There is another option -- fresh raw milk. If you're not allergic to it, then it's probably going to be much healthier for you than cooked starch. It contains no fructose, and since the carbs are balanced with fat and protein, they won't spike insulin as much as fruit/honey/starch.

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I eat the skin, scales, and bones of fish. One reason not to eat poultry skin, is that it is heated to quickly pull off the feathers. But I think that fish skin is fine to eat.

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On small farms, I've seen cattle kept in a cherry orchard, and an apple orchard. They were moved to a different pasture when the time came to pick the fruit. So sometimes the same land can be used for both, at least on a small scale. And the trees provide shade for the cattle on hot summer days.

When I said that fruit is more efficient than animal products, I was only talking about GLUCOSE, not overall calories. You need to consider how protein vs carbs are metabolized in the body, not just look at calories per gram.

I'm not just talking theoretically. I tried a raw carnivore diet while doing lots of heavy exercise every day (both aerobic and anaerobic). My appetite skyrocketed, as did my food bill. I found that adding a small amount of carbs (50-100g per day) significantly reduced my appetite for meat, while maintaining performance.

First, I disagree with the statement that fruit is a more "efficient" source of calories relative to animal products (assuming a mix of muscle, organ and fat here).  Carbohydrates (from sugars, in this case) yield something like 5 calories per gram.  A chunk of the average cow (assuming 50% fat, 50% protein) yields something like 6-7 calories per gram.  So by the gram, you get more calories from animal food than from fruit.

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You've just insinuated that Raw Omni is a superior diet to Raw Carnivore, a lot of people would not agree with your statement.

I only said that Raw Omni is more EFFICIENT than Raw Carni, I didn't make any claims about it being superior or more healthy. What I mean, is that if you want to get the most energy out of the least amount of food, it's simply more efficient to directly eat carbs than to turn protein into glucose.

I'm well aware that for some people, directly eating carbs can cause problems, such as mineral imbalances, or blood sugar issues, and that a raw carnivore diet would be best for such people.

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In the second place, 1000 calories from bananas has a very different effect on the body than 1000 calories from beef. The most efficient combination would probably be enough bananas to prevent protein gluconeogenesis, and the remaining calories from beef.

Mixed up question.
In the first place, calorie counting stinks.

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General Discussion / Re: Priorities
« on: July 18, 2010, 10:28:01 pm »
Are you talking about short-term diet (i.e. when travelling), or long-term diet?

In the short term, I'd rather fast, or eat fruits and vegetables, than eat supermarket animal products raw.

In the long term, you should really find a farm to buy food from. In the US, this shouldn't be hard to do. In my experience, beef from ANY farm, even if grain-finished, is 100x better than anything from the supermarket.

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General Discussion / Re: Living in the Wild.
« on: July 18, 2010, 10:15:29 pm »
I know a farmer who has a similar story -- used to work in industry, decided he had enough of it, bought some land, and started farming. Once I have enough money, I plan to do the same.

You buy land and break your ass working be it with crops or animal husbandry. It's not an easy life but it seems really rewarding.
If I had the money I'd buy dozens of acres in upstate New York and set up a farm myself. I'd love to get off the grid.
FWIW the farmer I buy my meat from used to work a 9-5 job down in Manhattan. He read "The Omnivore's Dilemma" and was taken by the the concept of rotational farming like Joel Salatin does down in Virginia. He bought a lot of land and set up his own farm. It can be done.

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General Discussion / Re: interesting blog
« on: July 14, 2010, 10:31:46 am »
This actually brings up an important issue -- the mere presence of a researcher can change the behaviour of the people being studied. For example, it's quite plausible that primitive carnivorous tribes, when studied by a "civilized" researcher, would cook much more than usual, in order to proudly demonstrate how "civilized" they are.

I remember listening to an interview with Wrangham, and the interviewer asked if Wranham hides behind bushes and watches chimps through binoculars. But Wrangham said that you can't get much detailed information that way -- instead, he lets the chimps get used to him, and observes them from up close. But he admitted that he can't know for sure that his presence isn't influencing the chimp behaviour in some way.

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Journals / Re: Sully's Journal
« on: July 14, 2010, 09:52:58 am »
These exact same wild black raspberries grow in great abundance where I live. I gathered tons of them in the past month, and froze a good portion for the winter. However, they're guarded by thorns, and bloodthirsty mosquitoes. My arms and legs still have scratch marks on them. However, since going raw paleo, mosquito bites don't bother me much anymore. They itch for a few minutes, and then stop itching. When I was a kid eating a standard diet, mosquito bites would itch for days.

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When I was on a trip in England, I noticed that eggs there are always unrefrigerated.

Aajonus claims that refrigerating eggs reduces levels of beneficial bacteria, and that if you buy refrigerated eggs, you should leave them out on the counter for at least 24 hours, to allow bacteria levels to come back up, before eating them.

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Hot Topics / Re: When Did Cooking Start?
« on: July 14, 2010, 09:40:19 am »
I completely agree with what Eric said.

But for some archaeologists and anthropologists, the question of when we started cooking is a purely academic/theoretical one, rather than a nutritional/practical one.

Our genes that code salivary amylase show that we have at least some adaptations to cooked starch. But do we have a way of figuring out when those genetic changes happened? That would be much more reliable than studying burnt bones.

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Info / News Items / Announcements / Re: Raw meat isnt so acidic.
« on: July 13, 2010, 05:45:00 pm »
Keep in mind that this article talks about directly measuring the pH of the meat itself, rather than the pH of the 'ash' once the meat has been metabolized. When people say "meat is acidic", they really mean to say "the metabolized ash of meat is acidic".

For example, a citrus fruit is acidic (tastes sour in your mouth), but its 'ash' (after metabolization) is alkaline, so people say that "citrus fruits are alkalizing".

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Worrying about such things just causes unnecessary stress, which is bad for your health. I've eaten all kinds of raw meat, even supermarket chicken and pork, and the worst that happened was diarrhea for a day. (The diarrhea was from supermarket meat. Good quality meat doesn't give me digestive problems).

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General Discussion / Re: interesting blog
« on: July 13, 2010, 12:31:12 pm »
News of this China study critique spread like wildfire over all the paleo blogs. No discussion here, though. I guess we all already know that Campbell's analysis of the China study has more holes than swiss cheese.

http://www.paleonu.com/panu-weblog/2010/7/8/the-china-study-polish-a-turd-and-find-a-diamond.html
http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2010/07/china-study-problems-of-interpretation.html
http://freetheanimal.com/2010/07/the-china-study-smackdown-roundup.html

I find it quite ironic that the data which supposedly proves that veganism is healthy, may well instead turn out to support the paleo diet, by connecting wheat with coronary heart disease. And even more ironic, is that this was uncovered by a 30BAD member.

The 30BAD crowd is attacking the work, and even Colin Campbell wrote a reply. But it looks like Denise's work is quite solid, and she's planning on posting more details, and investigating the wheat-CHD connection further. It'll be interesting to see how this drama plays itself out.

Campbell's response:
http://tynan.net/chinastudyresponse

30BAD response:
http://www.30bananasaday.com/group/debunkingthechinastudycritics



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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: Raw food outlets in Ontario
« on: July 13, 2010, 04:17:18 am »
In my experience, it's not that hard to find. Googling "grass-fed beef ontario" is a good start. There's also the EatWild directory.

By the way, if you live in Ontario, why is the flag of Saint Kitts and Nevis in your avatar?

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General Discussion / Re: Preserving meat without freezing
« on: July 12, 2010, 07:56:04 pm »
Another method is to submerge the raw meat into raw milk, or raw whey. But this isn't paleo. I tried this once, and didn't really like the taste.

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General Discussion / interesting blog
« on: July 09, 2010, 12:06:38 pm »
I recently found a very interesting blog by raw foodist Denise Minger -

http://rawfoodsos.com

She recently dug up the raw China study data, analyzed it in great detail, and debunked Campbell's pro-vegan claims. There's also some interesting posts about raw foodism in general.

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General Discussion / Re: My house stinks
« on: July 01, 2010, 09:57:17 am »
Open all windows and doors. Put a fan right in front of a window to pull fresh air into the house. That's better than any kind of "air freshener".

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Raw Weston Price / Re: raw vs pasteurized milk feeding experiment
« on: June 06, 2010, 05:40:18 am »
Michael Schmidt posted a comment today clarifying that the breeds are the same.

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Raw Weston Price / raw vs pasteurized milk feeding experiment
« on: June 05, 2010, 09:12:12 am »
Michael Schmidt just reported the results of his feeding experiment (including lots of photos). One calf was raised on raw milk, the other on processed supermarket milk.

http://thebovine.wordpress.com/2010/06/04/the-tale-of-two-calves-one-calf-got-raw-milk-the-other-pasteurized/#more-16769

I found the differences in the kidneys really remarkable.

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Hot Topics / Re: Kills and Eats LIVE CHICKEN - video on youtube
« on: June 05, 2010, 07:51:48 am »
That was an awesome video!

I was surprised that he didn't get blood all over his white dress shirt.

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General Discussion / Re: slankers suet
« on: May 23, 2010, 03:09:52 am »
In my experience, it should be fine to keep it in the fridge.

Take a look at this thread:
http://www.rawpaleoforum.com/general-discussion/storing-raw-fat/

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Hot Topics / Re: durianrider on youtube is a fag...
« on: May 19, 2010, 07:13:56 am »
When it comes to raw paleo, I would say that any publicity is good publicity. The average person who watches DurianRider's videos will learn that meat is edible raw, and that there are people who say raw meat is healthy.

The more anti-raw-paleo videos that DR makes, the more people will get interested in raw paleo.

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General Discussion / Re: organic raw eggs
« on: May 19, 2010, 12:27:34 am »
raw organic eggs whites are better as its yolk contains the food for an unfertilized egg so better is to avoid egg yolk

Eating the white without the yolk leads to biotin deficiency (due to avidin). Bad idea.

By the way, why do you have links to some ab gadgets in your signature?

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