Hi Yuri,
You've had some huge stressors in your life and graduating University and finding a job/relationship and all that stuff is pretty hard!
You seem very driven as well, maybe it might be time to relax or go travelling and sit on a beach for a while (just my thoughts)
Number (4) parasitic invasion
Do you have or have you ever have had candida Yuri?
You were zero carb for a while, did you give up carbs for more than a month? was it hard for you?
is it hard for you to not eat honey/cream/sweet fruits?
Good Luck
Andrew
You might consider using other glandulars such as raw thyroid
how about dropping all the fruits & milk products, forgetting all about them, for a week or 2?
i'm sure you must have heard about all the negative effects both have had on so many people (myself included)
also, do you have access to coconut oil (good for thyroid, liver, etc.)?
so, if you feel like doing this experiment just for the sake of exploring something different...
How to cure candida / yeast / fungi very very fast.
http://tinyurl.com/vcodetox
How to cure parasites: Use both zappers and dewormers.
http://www.curemanual.com/detox-protocols/parasite-cleanse
Have you seen a biological dentist yet?
http://www.curemanual.com/detox-protocols/dental-cleanse
Have you done the usual cleanses: colon, kidney, liver flushes?
http://www.curemanual.com/detox-protocols
Hulda Clark gives the best pollution avoidance measures:
http://www.curemanual.com/mind-cures-paradigm-shifts/book-cure-for-all-diseases
(download the free ebook)
Are all your food organic?
How much rest / sleep do you get?
What time do you sleep?
Yes, surely.
Fortunately I can get raw thyroid here. However, I have seen many warnings that adrenals must be adressed first. Besides, my thyroid testing lab results came out normal (free T4 is 17.87 with 10-25 normal range, free T3 is 12.64 with 5.4-14 normal and TTH is 1.33 when 0.25-5.2 is OK). So, I presume I don’t need any thyroid supplementation at present.
But, presumably, this is only if you're using artificial hormones? If you're just eating the raw glands, you'll be rebuilding the gland so that it produces enough of the right hormone.
Yuri, believe in your self; your body and mind have grate power, more than you believe. Find positive energy from words you pick up on this forum, which help your mind to grow with your body.
Perhaps you will find time to read the messages on this forum to help paint your picture - "Charles" seems worth following up:
http://www.livinlowcarbdiscussion.com/showthread.php?tid=334&page=1
I am sorry about your mother - time will heal and replenish you with the spirit you wish/choose.
Nicola
Yes, surely.
Fortunately I can get raw thyroid here. However, I have seen many warnings that adrenals must be adressed first. Besides, my thyroid testing lab results came out normal (free T4 is 17.87 with 10-25 normal range, free T3 is 12.64 with 5.4-14 normal and TTH is 1.33 when 0.25-5.2 is OK). So, I presume I don’t need any thyroid supplementation at present.
I've had my thyroid checked twice in the last 10 years, I don't know the numbers but they were in the normal range.
Even though my tests come back 'normal' my thyroid has ached for years. If it aches really bad when I wake up and doesn't go away soon after it usually means its going to be a rather shit day. At the moment I believe mine is candida related (could be wrong?) as my die off days have seemed to coincide with thyroid ache days. There seems to be a lot of talk on the web about a candida thyroid connection both by guru's and anecdotal.
Are you taking raw thyroid as well as raw adrenal?
Have you seen a doctor re all this, yet? I mean if it's truly dangerous and adrenal-related, such as with addison's disease, it's absolutely essential to get cortisol injections. Though, it'sunlikely to be as severe as that.
Also, the thing with adrenals is to avoid over-stimulation(alcohol/violent exercise etc.) in general, as that weakens the adrenals.
What concerns me is that you've made multiple changes in your diet and you're still facing issues. This suggests to me that you may have some condition that either isn't diet-related at all or is related to some long-term nutritional deficiency which you've overlooked. Is "high-meat" effective re digestion-issues? I take it my past suggestion re enzymes didn't work for you? What about adaptogenic/stress-relieving herbs like siberian ginseng, schisandra, astragalus etc.? I'll admit these herbs were useless in fixing my health-problems pre-rawpalaeo diet, but I was in a Raw Vegan/fruitarian phase for most of that time, so they might work on a more healthy RAF diet.
I do apologise re my previous suggestion re Intermittent Fasting as it failed to work for you. I'm now more careful to warn against doing IF if one happens to have adrenal-related issues - (though, contrariwise, IF did work for me pretty well when I switched, early on in the diet, from eating all through the day to 1 large meal a day, despite my own adrenal-related issues at the time).
I take it you were 100% healthy prior to doing raw vegan, or am I wrong re this?
And I also tend to believe that stress is the main contributing factor. But I cannot quit the job like that guy did. I would have to quit my life... And my unsuccessful dietary attempts only add to the overall stress.
Yuri
Thanks Satya!
You may now delete that personal info.
I have heard about SP. But keep in mind that I live in Ukraine and cannot get prescription for them (as far as I know SP supps require prescription). Besides, if I manage to find them somehow in the web, the problem with delivery would still remain.
As regards my weight... This is another story. As you may know from my pictures I was pretty skinny after vegan setback. Over the first four months on the Primal Diet I added a massive 60 lbs of weight (from 110 to 175 lbs). As I said earlier it was mostly fat gain. But I couldn't have though it might have been from hormonal imbalance. I was loosing extra weight easily on intermittent fasting. I fluctuated between 140 and 145 lbs. But I was perplexed by the remaining stubborn abdominal fat. Now I realize that adrenals/thyroid might have its role there as well.
As of now, I cannot loose an ounce no matter what. And despite this is not my goal, I just state the fact. My weight is stable at 155 lbs. And it sits mainly around my waist and hips. Another indication of weak adrenals…
Yuri
Yuri,
Thank you for sharing. I wish you all the best in repairing your health by the least invasive means possible. And you are a true friend. Did you know you are helping me? I can be a bad girl and drink coffee, which is the one thing that has caused me adrenal fatigue. And I just read that article on the glands to my kids, as they have been known to eat the high carb crap, until very recently. So thank you.
Get well!
an idea for salt that Paul Chek advocates, is adding sea salt to all your water, in the amount that would be as much as you can without tasting it.
Yeah, at least it didn't take me long to know this...
hi yuri,
a while ago, when you began talking about cabbage i immediately wanted to mention it's a goitrogen, yet i refrained from doing so for 2 reasons:
~ i sense some hostility against my posts on this forum (not from you, lex, kristelle) -- but who cares: i was just talking with you (which i did: in my mind)
~ it sounded as if you had set your mind hard on a perceived need of plant carbs
Honestly, me too... I have had enough during my raw vegan days...
in my case, i do not consider plant carbs to be human food at all -- but that's just me
This is just what I was doing in May. I ate meat, egg yolks, fat and pollen. I think with my digestion problems I will have to consider honey/pollen option again. So much vegs (a kilo daily) yields as little as 30-40 g. of carbs. This amount can be easily covered by a tbsp or two of honey.
1 thing i want to bring up this time is a consideration of bee products
bee products are not plants; bee products are a natural synergy of plant & animal food
if i were you -- which i am not -- i'd take 1 tsp fresh (neither prefrozen or overdried) bee pollen daily, since it's loaded with aminoacids, vitamins, minerals, volatile elements... all predigested for you; of honey, mostly sugars, i'd take a tiny 1ce in a while & always together with some fat (suet or marrow, perhaps)
Situation with cereal or legume grains is clear, but dairy is so controversial... But I do stay away from it.
also, i sure stay away from all cereal or legume grains as well as from all kinds of milk products
this is based on my own longterm personal experience, which coincides with loads & loads of materials anyone can find online
re. salt:
in my own experience & that of others, both insufficient & excessive salt result in edema (water retention); this is, again, something 1 can read about online
1 thing to consider in this regard is that the edema from lack of salt (hyponatremia), or water drinking with no food, in extreme cases can flood the brain with fluids
so here's what i do:
prepare a brine with sea salt (the less dried the better), water down the brine after a while, use a dropper to pour a little diluted brine on everything that enters my mouth, solid or liquid
in other words, i do not use a single grain of salt in my food; i do use diluted brine in all -- & this practice has made a huuuge difference in my life
it sure makes a lot of sense in my mind: salt comes from the ocean, where it's always dissolved
ok, i better stop rambling
You just mentioned mineral-deficiency... What kind of minerals? Calcium/Magnesium? It's hard to realise why I became extremely mineral deficient on paleo diet...
I hit rock bottom a few years ago, you might be heading there, sometimes that's just the thing you need.
If it isn't that, then you really need to see a doctor to find out if there's some problem with some other organ linked to digestion(eg:- pancreas, lack of enzyme-production etc.)
Dr. Blake F. Donaldson in a book called Strong Medicine, says: during the millions of years that our ancestors lived by hunting, every weakling who could not maintain perfect health on fresh fat meat and water was bred out. I can’t escape my fate…
More and more I wonder if either zero- or low-carb diets truly require 80% fat. Perhaps 50-60% by calories is more like it.
More and more I wonder if either zero- or low-carb diets truly require 80% fat. Perhaps 50-60% by calories is more like it.Should this vary depending on how active you are? More active, more fat? Or perhaps it just depends on the person and what climate they live in?
I just popped back to share some recent observations.yeaah that sounded like rubbish to me.
Remember a couple of days ago I referred to the article which claimed that honey had strong anticandida properties? Well, now I have got every reason to deny it. I came to this conclusion by chance. You know that honey can be safely stored at room temperature and won’t spoil for ages. Last week I finished the jar with honey. I didn’t have either time or desire to wash it properly so I just rinsed it a bit. Obviously a tiny amount of sweetened water remained in the jar. It stayed at the kitchen for several days. When I finally decided to put it in a cupboard I noticed grayish mold all over inside the jar. Apparently that is what might be happening to ingested honey.
Well, that is it. I can continue up to this day, but there is no reason. Since all this time I have been trying to find the answers. If you were patient enough to read all this stuff through what would you suggest? Any ideas? Has the picture became clearer? Was my problems caused by intermittent fasting initially? Or had I harvested candida (remember all that moldy berries)? Or I suddenly got parasites when switched to one meal daily schedule?
I would be enormously grateful for any suggestions and opinions!
With all due respect but I can’t agree that my problem is just mental.
Hi Yuri.. Just came across your last few posts, and while I don't want to come off as negative, I have to say that I honestly think you are completely over-analysing and adding a huge stressor in your life as a result.
Has something happened in your life over which you had no control? And have you because of this uncontrollable/unexpected event looked for, and found, something over which you DO feel a sense of control - and it's completely consuming you, because you need that sense of control all the time?
That is common psychology.
I'm not saying it's bad to have a hobby, or even a distraction, but you are clearly analyzing too far, you are adding unnecessary stress in your life. Something like nutrition and health is something involving way too many factors for our brain to ever fully comprehend, you have to understand you can't measure your own temperature in different environments and ask yourself "why you didn't sweat at the sauna" and make conclusions about the health of your body or organs based on that. It only adds stress to the mind which stresses your physical body as well. It can become a nasty habit that is difficult to get rid off.
Much of what you are experiencing is pure placebo.
Maybe you need to reconnect in a new way in your life?
Please let me know what you think of what I just said.
There is always http://www.healself.org/. It works.
reyyzl, it gets rid of carb addiction by replacing carbs with fat. No cravings for me.
Pemmican is just powdered very dried beef mixed with tallow. Keep it simple.
> I have tried Dr Bernarr DC's ways, consulted with him, et al. He probably has helped many people, but >his ways did not work for us, nor I assume for many others. Has he gotten into food now?
It is a water fast until very hungry, then raw food - apparently he approved of my pemmican at the time, as he did not say anything about it.
> Is he practicing dry fasting?
It is always a water fast.
> What's his weekly caloric intake recommendations of recent?
He didn't say anything about calories.
> Has his particular energy medicine ideas helped you?
I don't know anything about energy medicine; just followed his advice.
I realize that I will never be FREE.
I'm far from rich in the sense of money, but I wake up every morning with a zest for life and excited about what I'm going to do that day. This is something money can't buy.
William, what is YMMV?
You guy's should read his journal before giving anymore 'diet' advice or water melon flushes!!! he's tried
everything! :)
Hi Cosmo
Yes, I could be a translator. This is actually my second profession. I even have a Master's Degree with a corresponding diploma. Ukrainian is my mother tongue, I know Russian perfectly, Spanish a little bit... So, plenty of options ;)
To my knowledge, Intermittent Fasting is not starvation (or should not be).
IF shouldn't be starvation, definitely, but body may perceive it as such...
This is still a conundrum for me why some people greatly benefit eating one meal daily and others do struggle severely. I've heard that some have so strong adrenals that it is simply impossible for them to get adrenal exhaustion.
IF shouldn't be starvation, definitely, but body may perceive it as such...
This is still a conundrum for me why some people greatly benefit eating one meal daily and others do struggle severely. I've heard that some have so strong adrenals that it is simply impossible for them to get adrenal exhaustion.
I had adrenal exhaustion years ago, while still eating veggies.
I have a friend who suffer from Addison's disease. He must takes everyday some medecine (cortisol), otherwise he dies. He digests raw meat without problem.
The article is a very good argument for eating raw fat meat, assuming that it is true that such needs no stomach acid for digestion.
I think the best evidence re the amount of plant matter consumption by hunter-gatherers would be the climate and living conditions. There is a huge portion of territory from the south of Ukraine to the north of the UK where fruits and veggies are not available for most of the year. It is only during short period from late May till early October when any significant sources of carbohydrates can be found naturally in our latitudes. And still, most of those carbohydrates are not that palatable.
Now with autumn and winter looming I have this dilemma of finding local paleo carbs. There are simply no as such...
Oh, and one shouldn't judge past ages by present day conditions. For example, the area around Czernobyl is now chock full of wild animals and plants whereas, pre-human-habitation, the area was practically devoid of such life.
hunter-gatherers of today all eat more plant food.
Hey Tyler, are you sure about wild animals near the Chernobyl? Because given my problems with getting wild/grass-fed meats in this area, I may consider some hunting there, as the place where I live, Kiev, is mere 140 kilometers (87 miles) from Chernobyl... :)
What kind of plant food? Fruits mostly?No, Herbaceous plants were also commonly eaten in the Palaeolithic.
There are 2 conflicting groups of scientists. 1 group claims wild animals are thriving:-
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4923342.stm
Another claims that wild animals are still suffering, there. However, as I understand it, the area is now a nature reserve.
...A friend of mine told me that her co-worker from Ukraine said that most of the meats there are grassfed, but it sounds like that's not true, based on what you're telling me, correct?
Quality
For some time prior to and just after the beginning of my ZC I have been searching high and low for the good quality meats. Since I didn’t have a wide range of available choices I had to settle with the fresh mutton ribs and frozen wild fish. The mutton is neither grass-fed nor organic. It is just a normal/conventional domesticated mutton. I suppose the animals are fed grass, tubers and probably some grain. During the winter grass is substituted for hay. ...
Well, if you think it works for you..
In my own case, artificial vitamins/minerals did nothing for me, I just pissed them out almost immediately.
... They believe it is a complete absurd that animals can be raised on grass only. They ALL remain firmly convinced that poor animal MUST eat grains and tubers and corn in order to survive…Wow, that is rather unfortunate extreme ignorance. It's their belief that is absurd. There are hundreds, if not thousands, of 100% grassfed cattle operations around the world (with many having Websites)--including even here in cold, wintry Vermont. There is little or no cereal grains (including corn) or tubers available to most ruminants in the wild (ruminants cannot dig up tubers the way pigs can), so it's just not possible that grains or tubers would be required for their survival. Heck, if there are any old cattle men around there who raised cattle before the 1950s in Ukraine, I would think there's a good chance they were 100% pasture-feeding them, and they could personally attest to the survival of the cattle. Today's young, ignorant cattle raisers just need to ask the old timers.
Well, if you think it works for you..Mineral supplementation predates humans. Animals that eat a diet heavy in plants need to supplement with minerals (see the video below)--and the clay-rich soils also act as a detoxicant for the antinutrients that otherwise would accumulate from eating herbivorous foods. They don't immediately piss out the minerals. If they did, they could not survive.
In my own case, artificial vitamins/minerals did nothing for me, I just pissed them out almost immediately.
The optimal situation is to find a diet that works for you and provides all your nutrients and develop your body's health to the point that it is absorbing nutrients efficiently enough so that you don't need any supplements other than maybe vitamin D (the best source of which is the sun, but most people work indoors these days).
The expensive piss argument is valid. I went in for a minimum 2-3 year phase pre-rawpalaeodiet when I went in very heavily indeed for supplements. ...As far as your experience goes, that's apparently true, but for my experience and the experience of many other people I found it to be an overexaggeration--and I am more skeptical than most when it comes to supplements, having gotten a peak inside the supplement industry and seen some of its dirty laundry and having started from a position of seeing all supplements as expensive piss.
In short, any processed supplement I view as a waste of time. Raw, fermented cod liver oil(and genuinely raw royal jelly), raw herbs and similiar unprocessed stuff are fine by me, though and have worked for me.So you don't view all supplements as expensive piss, just processed supplements, correct? If so, then we basically agree, as I never claimed that all supplements work. I also believe that in most cases where supplements have been taken for a long time that this is an indicator that the person's diet is not yet optimized for their needs, and I suspect that you agree with me on this too.
As regards the plants/antinutrients claim, it's rather dodgy. Sure, some wild animals do use clays to get rid of toxins from certain plants(for example David Attenborough's wildlife series showed parrots deliberately eating clay/kaolin shortly after eating a specific species of poisonous plant), but this is not applicable in all cases of plants.Another irrelevant straw man. I never said that all wild animals use clays or that any wild animals use clays for toxins in "all cases of plants."
So you don't view all supplements as expensive piss, just processed supplements, correct? If so, then we basically agree, as I never claimed that all supplements work. I also believe that in most cases where supplements have been taken for a long time that this is an indicator that the person's diet is not yet optimized for their needs, and I suspect that you agree with me on this too.
Another irrelevant straw man. I never said that all wild animals use clays or that any wild animals use clays for toxins in "all cases of plants."
every now and then, I'm forced to eat/drink unpleasant non-rawpalaeo stuff and the cod liver oil makes up for that.Do you know what your vitamin D level is and what do you feel is an approximately healthy level, if any? Is sunlight required to achieve sufficient levels of vitamin D, or is a regular, non-supplemented diet sufficient? If diet is sufficient, which foods do you find provide what you view as the necessary levels of vitamin D?
Again, as in the text below that comment, you are certainly implying that it's commonplace for plant-eating creatures to eat clay, whereas, as I pointed out, this applies generally only to specific plant-species consumed, not all or even most of them.Please read what I wrote again. I'm not going to respond to any more of these straw men. I can tolerate a couple misrepresentations of what I wrote, but not a pattern of misrepresenting both my words and the words of others here. Your statement is irrelevant to what I actually wrote.
If you don't call raw royal jelly and raw fermented cod liver oil supplements, what do you call them? In other words, for the purposes of discussion, how do you distinguish them from other foods? It's difficult to discuss them if we don't have a name for this special category of foods.
Do you know what your vitamin D level is and what do you feel is an approximately healthy level, if any? Is sunlight required to achieve sufficient levels of vitamin D, or is a regular, non-supplemented diet sufficient? If diet is sufficient, which foods do you find provide what you view as the necessary levels of vitamin D?
I just refer to them as a food.Yes, but how do we distinguish those special foods from your other foods? In other words, you eat those foods for a special reason, to offset the damage from cheating. For the purposes of discussion and simplicity, I call these special-purpose foods like fermented cod liver oil "supplements" and I don't see "supplements" as being restricted to processed supplements. After all, even the Vikings didn't eat just the cod livers and discard the rest of the fish.
if I'd lived in the days of my Viking ancestors, I would have been consuming fermented cod livers stright from a barrel or take raw royal jelly straight from a hive, and wouldn't have seen them as "supplements".Yes, but we don't live in the Viking days, we live today and many of us live in urban, land-locked areas, so many make some compromises.
I'm not concerned re the vitamin D issue. I eat so much in the way of raw wild shellfish(oysters, scallops, lobster/mussels etc.)....But aren't wild shellfish and fatty fish seasonal? Do you take the fermented cod liver oil outside of the wild shellfish seasons?
Yuri,
I heard your voice again on the Aajonus show at OneRadioNetwork.
Have you tried Aajonus' advice to eat a protein food every 5 hours?
That sounds interesting.
I'm trying it beginning today.
I take cod liver oil when I'm not getting lots of sun or not eating lots of wild shellfish and fatty fish. When I do this, I consider it supplementation--even if the cod liver oil is unheated. It's a special food, separated from the original whole source and used for a special purpose. If you have a better term, please share it. I agree that using supplements that come closest to being wild food are best, if and when necessary, but "food" doesn't distinguish the special purpose of these foods and makes discussion nearly impossible. Simply for the purpose of facilitating discussion could you be a bit more specific than "food," please? Heck, even Dr. Ron's calls their products, like their fermented cod liver oil, "supplements": "The ingredients for all of our supplements come primarily from the United States, New Zealand and Europe."
Perhaps we'll have to invent a new word, like "foodlements" (someone else thought of that before I did http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q=foodlements&aq=f&aqi=&oq=&fp=59681ffd38a8e39f :D ) or something, if supplements is unacceptable?
Yes, but we don't live in the Viking days, we live today and many of us live in urban, land-locked areas, so many make some compromises.
But aren't
n't wild shellfish and fatty fish seasonal? Do you take the fermented cod liver oil outside of the wild shellfish seasons?
BTW, do you have any idea how much wild shellfish is necessary to avoid needing to take unheated fermented cod liver oil? I eat wild clams but don't know how much vitamin D I'm getting out of it. I work indoors and live in a northern region, so my guess would be that my vitamin D levels are low when I'm not eating wild shellfish or fatty fish--probably even during the summer.
Just because we don't live in Viking days doesn't mean we shouldn't emulate them as
I eat 20 extra-large raw wildcaught oysters usually once a fortnight, with sometimes other shellfish added on such as bags of raw mussels, raw lobster etc. I reckon that's enough, I mean shellfish are supposed to be reasonably high in vitamin D vis-av-si other raw foods.
Knowing to much about about health and diets are your worst enemy.
I remember that I have been permanently hungry from the day one since starting intermittent fasting. I was hoping that I would adapt but sadly for me it had never happened.
After having done with IF I have been looking for ways to alleviate my insatiable hunger. Much to my astonishment more than a year of eating frequent meals, surplus calories and massive amounts of raw fat have helped me little if at all.
Knowing to much about about health and diets are your worst enemy.
I am always open to a friendly word of advice. This is the main reason why I’m posting here. I want get to the heart of the matter.
Theres nothing wrong with you. Your just anxious and depressed. It happens to nice intelligent guys like you.
Sort that out and your imagined 'illness' will disappear.
Do you feel any gout symptoms?
Do you have pain on your feet? on your knees?
As little as three years ago I was in very good physical form and had what I considered an excellent health. Over the following two years a several huge stressors (unexpected and shocking death of my mother, graduation from the University, new job search etc.) pushed me initially to raw vegetarianism and further to raw veganism. Three months of the latter, when my diet was exclusively plant based and extremely high in fruit, were enough to make me dreadfully weak and exhausted.
Looks like something wrong with fat metabolism
bingo!
I gathered my energies and got to the computer.
Yes I have been through a very traumatic ZC experience. Back then I was eating ZC which was also high in purines (raw thyroid, organ meats etc.). The only difference I made this time was to lower the purine load by excluding or severely limiting organ meats. But that didn’t calm my mind completely and the prospect of redeveloping kidney stones remained my primary concern. So naturally I got myself all hot and bothered about getting my kidneys tested and checked. I have ultrasound scan of the kidneys and bladder on November 25. I did basic urine test and blood biochemistry analysis. I will have the results soon.
I wish I knew the exact diet which could regenerate me. It would have been so simple to just follow it. It’s true that the Primal Diet was massively healing for me. But I was so much stronger back then. And NOTHING has worked after my intermittent fasting fiasco. I have never been the same again.
I am always open to a friendly word of advice. This is the main reason why I’m posting here. I want get to the heart of the matter.
The human endocrine system is sort of a control-freak. And like all other control-freaks, it has to be managed or it can wreck the whole life. Endocrine system is a committee of glands and organs that regulate an extraordinary number of bodily functions by squirting chemical messengers into the bloodstream. These chemical hormones travel around the body giving orders. They secretly tell the body parts what to do – without the body even knowing about it.
The word "hormone" means to "urge on" or to "excite" – and that's exactly what they do. They cause things to happen that have an impact on how one feels. For example, hormones determine how a person handles stress, how they react to an emergency and the moods that affect them. And to top it off, they decide whether you feel hungry or full, how you use the food you eat and whether or not you're fat or thin. Talk about a control-freak!
In a nutshell the endocrine system is the Holy Grail of health. By its nature a Holy Grail problem is extremely difficult, if not impossible, to solve.
I have to call up my remaining strength not to give up...
I have been suferring from intense joint and lower back pain. Consumption of any high purine foods like herring or liver made it worse. Otherwise I seem to not have any gout-like inflammations.
Please correct me if I am wrong, but is not the ketogenic diet cooked? If it is, results are irrelevant.
Please correct me if I am wrong, but is not the ketogenic diet cooked? If it is, results are irrelevant.
I still suspect the protein more than the fat, and I suspect that the 5% of the ketogenic kids were probably also eating fairly high levels of protein, but I need to learn more before I draw any firm conclusions. Any evidence you have to support excess fat as the cause would be appreciated, Yuri.
Stop this craziness, take my advice. People here are feeding this obsession i can spot it because i think the same. What you feel is real but diet is not the answer. Please don't waste your life with this crap. This is my last post. Get well.
The diet provides just enough protein for body growth and repair, and sufficient calories to maintain the correct weight for age and height. The classic ketogenic diet contains a 4:1 ratio by weight of fat to protein.Ah yes, I stupidly forgot, thanks. Are there any theories on why cooked fats would contribute to uric acid stones or calcium oxalate stones? Do we know which type most of those ketogenic kids had?
I have never said that excess fat is the cause. I tried to explain how LOW protein is not always good because it induces ketosis with all possible adverse effects.What are the other reported ill effects?
What are the other reported ill effects?
My lab results show that I have hyperlipoproteinemia and increase in total cholesterol on a RAW ZC diet. Besides I have had a kidney stones episode in my last ZC attempt. Ultrasound has identified inflammation of the pancreas and I have the sensation that there is something just under my left ribs. Elevated serum uric acid levels are also alarming.
Mine also show hyperlipidemia : I have 3 times too much HDL and high VLDL. I believe we simply eat way too much fat (and possibly protein).
I may try that...
Frédéric, it is all not so simple... I think that our excess of lipoproteins in the blood is due to a disorder of lipoprotein metabolism. It relates primarily to metabolic control, with limited impact from dietary factors. Treatment of hyperlipidemia should primarily be directed at improving metabolic control.
There are a number of different conditions which can raise lipoprotein levels. Hypothyroidism is associated with abnormal lipid levels. The thyroid hormone affects the rate of many chemical processes in the body, including the clearing of fats from the blood.
Yuri,
How do you address hypothyroidism?
I though the right diet would cure any metabolic disorder...
Hypothyroidism is associated with abnormal lipid levels. The thyroid hormone affects the rate of many chemical processes in the body, including the clearing of fats from the blood.
There is nothing else to do but to hope that a carnivorous diet will balance hormones, correct underactive thyroid and boost metabolism...
Mine also show hyperlipidemia : I have 3 times too much HDL and high VLDL. ...Did you really mean "too much HDL" or something else, since HDL is generally regarded as the "healthy fat."
I think I just had a good idea, and that is for the group of us to find a 'doctor' who we could trust to run various blood tests on us, and to form some sort of baseline or general understanding for those who eat like us... I have been trying to contact Ron Rosedale MD for some time. But I think he's out of the country for a while. Would welcome any ideas?
Did you really mean "too much HDL" or something else, since HDL is generally regarded as the "healthy fat."
Would you care to share your numbers so I can understand what you mean?
By eating raw ZC diet. This idea is absolutely mad given the common belief that low-carb induces hypothyroidism...
There is nothing else to do but to hope that a carnivorous diet will balance hormones, correct underactive thyroid and boost metabolism...
By eating raw ZC diet. This idea is absolutely mad given the common belief that low-carb induces hypothyroidism...
There is nothing else to do but to hope that a carnivorous diet will balance hormones, correct underactive thyroid and boost metabolism...
sorry : I mean too much LDL (not HDL).
Look at : http://www.rawpaleoforum.com/journals/journal-of-a-carnivore/msg16044/#msg16044
FBG = 0.96 g/l (0.74-1.06) That seems high to me (though your A1C is lower than Lex's). Lex reported that his BG dropped 15 points by eat more fats, but I don't know whether he meant FBG or random BG
A1C = 5.5% (<6%) seems a little on the high side, but within range
Urea = 0.52 g/l (0.17-0.43) higher than range, but that may be normal for a carnivorous diet, as GS suggested. I did find this: "If possible, the patient should avoid eating a diet high in meat or other protein before having a blood urea nitrogen (BUN) test." http://www.doctorslounge.com/nephrology/labs/urea.htm But presumably your fasting before the test should have avoided that skewing. Dehydration is apparently the most common cause, and it can also indicate kidney problems. Many people report being less thirsty on a RAF diet, so it seems to be important to drink plenty of water (and perhaps mineral-rich water).
Total cholesterol = 4.31 g/l (<2) Higher than range, but may be normal for a carnivorous diet, I don't know. I've seen healthy ZCers report very high TC, but this does seem higher than avg even for ZC.
HDL = 0.65 g/l (>0.4) Good, though I'm surprised it's not a bit better after a year of raw carnivore
Triglycerids = 1.47 g/l (<1.5) Way too high. I'm surprised at this number.
LDL = 3.37 g/l (0.9-1.6) I've seen multiple ZCers report high LDL like this and it could actually be a good sign suggesting that you have more of the benign, large, fluffy LDL.
VLDL = 0.29 g/l (0.05-0.25) This seems high and concerning to me, however
Vitamin B9 (folic acid) = 2.94 (>5.38) Folate deficiency is common from plant-heavy diets--especially grain and fruit-based. Did you eat a plant-heavy diet in the past?
Fasting blood glucose is pretty high, like my A1C and my urea is too high.Yes, do you have one of those free BG devices that you can use to see what foods spike your BG? Are you drinking plenty of water?
LDL is very high and VLDL is a bit too high. -- I'm more concerned about the VLDL, which is a better predictor of heart disease than LDL (I've seen studies that found LDL to be no predictor at all); VLDL is most strongly linked to high-glycemic-load carbohydrates
Triglycerids could be lower. - Yes, mine dropped from 210 to 67 within 3 months of giving up gluten. For some reason you are not responding nearly as well as I did. Some possible causes are hypothyroidism, kidney dysfunction, high calories, alcohol, certain medicines.
I believe I still eat too much fat, as my pulse raises to 90 after eating, and I have some unpleasant symptoms. - I think Lex may have reported that phemenon also. Have you asked him about it?
You've reported eating these foods:
seafood (oysters, shrimp, tourteau crabs, while waiting for the scallop in october), wild fish directly from the fisherman. - You said you did well on these, so it sounds like seafood should be one of your staple foods if you can afford it.
some organic cider - I'm guessing this was a rare occurrence
Raw butter is also very tasty here - Are you consuming dairy products regularly? I don't want to start a dairy debate, but Tyler and I have both noticed that many VLCers and ZCers who continue to have health problems are regular consumers of some dairy products. Is this just coincidence, or could it be related? Lex and I don't consume much dairy and while our health is not perfect, we seem to have experienced more improvements than you. Again, is this just coincidence, or is there a relationship?
High pulse, arrhythmia, inflammation, sensitive teeth, blurred vision, "worse" hyperlipidemia, "severe digestive problems" ("still can't eat one fruit or one vegetable without having gas and abdominal pain like before").
High pulse, arrhythmia, inflammation, sensitive teeth, blurred vision, hyperlipidemia, digestive problems and high triglycerides are all associated with high-carb diets. Why you would be experiencing it on a raw carnivore diet with only occasional cider, I don't know. Could you list all the foods you regularly eat, including beverages, and any supplements/foodlements you take? Have you done any investigating yourself to figure out this puzzle? Have you looked into what nutritional and systemic deficiencies can contribute to these symptoms?
Some improvement: less gas, less abdominal pain, better energy - Yes, many VLC/ZC/carnivores report that
Plus I do not understand why you continue with zero carb when you feel it is not working for you.
People are naive to think that they can duplicate the inuits excellent health by eating entirely different animals, you know what i mean? Suet as fat will not keep you warm enough in alaska, only seal fat will-which is what the inuits relied on. You must use your insticnts regarding what to eat .
We have not spent enough time discussing fat.
There really should be a section of this site devoted to it.
Yuri i think this diet has done more harm than good for you. Therefore you should try something else. I read that you as a child were eating eggs and milk. Try that, dairy products and eggs as your bread and butter and meat on the side just like i do. People are naive to think that they can duplicate the inuits excellent health by eating entirely different animals, you know what i mean? Suet as fat will not keep you warm enough in alaska, only seal fat will-which is what the inuits relyed on. You must use your insticnts regarding what to eat . Yuri, in the beggining of this diet/primal diet did you eat the things that you wanted or did you just eat thinking that your health would improve?, by that i mean eating what you feel like, if you dont eat what you feel like then one might do harm to ones body. You as person growing up said you ate very little meat, therefore you are not used to eating so much meat. I also think what made your health problems might be the fact that all your meat was grain fed. Anyways, I eat what my body tells me, Mostly dairy and eggs and a little meat or fish on the side. I would argue that wild fish is more nutricious than grain fed meat and organs. Maybe try eating just fish. I would hate to eat only meat thats why i dont do it, if i feel like eating vegetables then i eat it, if i feel like eating some fish then i eat it, as simple as that. Weston price said that the isolated swiss got lots of their calories from dairy products, and so do i and feel good, but with mostly meat i feel bad. I get lots of energy from whipped cream,. So just eat what you want to as long as it's raw i would recommend. But if not, then another option is going back to your traditional diet of grain and tubers etc.
Yuri,
What's the real score from your point of view regarding the flu scare / epidemic in the Ukraine?
Now they have unconfirmed reports of http://www.prisonplanet.com/unconfirmed-reports-of-large-numbers-of-deaths-from-the-vaccine-in-the-ukraine.html
Yuri,
Ancient Chinese medicine believes adrenal are drained from energy with orgasm (semen loss); not advocating celibacy as a religious belief, but have you tried sexual abstinence? If you try, make an effort not to think about sex, just avoid arousal and the semen will help heal the body. That's my two cents, take it or leave it.
you may want to try hot water esp. 1st thing in the am -- neither boiled or scalding, though
yuri i was wondering ,like you said that your health problems only began once you began alternative day fasting? so everything was good except at that point, i was thinking that maybe you ate something extremely toxic such as diseased kidneys where that gave you gut/stomach pains and maybe thats when your health problems started...
iv experienced gut pains with eating kidneys but no problem with liver and meat.....think back to the time when your problems started and maybe you will remember a moment when you ate some food that gave you stomach pains or maybe you began eating organs at that time period....its just so puzziling why everything would be allright for 4 months for you on the primal diet and then all of a sudden problems arise from alternative day fasting.
....consume moderate amounts of raw beef with practically no fat at all. Before I go to bed I may drink a cup of raw milk or self-made kefir... Today is just Friday (June 8, 2007) and I do feel the results already... But since I'm working actively from 7 a.m. I may sometimes feel myself light-headed or dizzy. This type of schedule is a transition or adjustment for me before I start one meal daily plan. Hope once and forever!”If that is representative, it sounds like that diet was overly high in protein and too low in fat.
You see, the problems begun rapidly. ....
I usually start eating at 6 p.m. and four hours onwards and consume moderate amounts of raw beef with practically no fat at all.
In about a week or so I switched to a high fat (150-300 g of marrow a day), moderate protein (1lb – 1.5 lb meat a day) low carb (two - four cups of berries daily) raw paleo diet eaten at one evening meal within two-four hours. It was getting worse slowly but surely ...
As for the kidney stones you shouldn’t be too concerned about them. When I developed mine I wasn’t taking any preventive measures. To the contrary I was just aggravating the situation by eating the high-purines foods such as sweetbreads (raw thyroid). I believe that in most cases muscle meats based ZC is pretty harmless. However to be on a safe side it is reasonable to take some alkalizing minerals (magnesium or potassium), little carbs or high HCO3 alkaline water.It's better to eat some amount of organ-meats, as they more nutritious than muscle-meats, but do include some amount of carbs (50-100 grams) and drink enough water with a little bit of good salt. There's no need to take magnesium and potassium supplements. In food there's enough of it.
High fat diet didn’t actually fail me. The way that I followed it did. As soon as I introduced intermittent fasting I developed some strange symptoms... I never made a full return to health after that. And NOTHNG has helped me since.That's unfortunate. So quitting IF didn't help at all? Have you been able to gain back any weight at all?
As for the kidney stones you shouldn’t be too concerned about them. When I developed mine I wasn’t taking any preventive measures. To the contrary I was just aggravating the situation by eating the high-purines foods such as sweetbreads (raw thyroid). I believe that in most cases muscle meats based ZC is pretty harmless. However to be on a safe side it is reasonable to take some alkalizing minerals (magnesium or potassium), little carbs or high HCO3 alkaline water.OK, thanks.
so yuri how have you been feeling lately? i mean would you still consider yourself sick? you have chronic fatigue? how is your digestion...just curious
do you even know whats wrong with your body? is life even worth living anymore? is it that bad...
What non-dietary solutions have you been looking at?
Have you tried colored light therapy?
If you suspect a weak organ, special colors on that area will help rejuvenate your organ.
Quickest, cheapest way to super-charge your health that you can do NOW (http://freedomforcreation.posterous.com/quickest-cheapest-way-to-super-charge-your-he)The quickest and cheapest way to change your diet and put your diet on hyperdrive without having to buy any extra food, while still lowering the amount of toxins in your body. This will totally eradicate mood swings, depression, and anxiety. People who eat red meat are tough, have high libidos and vitality. Sugar lowers vitality and sex drive. This is why it's called diabetic impotence.
Zero carbs may is actually required by different types of people depending on their metabolism type,such as hypoglcymic and diabetics. There are forums on this subject and people who do this feel like super humans. You have been consuming refined sugar drugs your entire life. This means your body is taxed of resources so it would be best if you eliminate all sugars. You don't have too. Your body creates insulin which puts your body in hibernation mode called a crash. It's a fat storage hormone. It makes you tired and sleepy. White bread is almost as bad as sugar. These are the two main sugars you consume. On this diet you will not have gas and won't overeat. It's impossible to get fat on this diet since fat cannot be stored, only burned.
Try it and tell me if your energy doesn't skyrocket. Your blood sugar will be rock stable so you won't have mood swings. Oh and this is the answer to diabetes. Diabetes is just a condition, NOT a disease. Your pancreas will get time to heal.
Cholecystitis is an inflammation of the gallbladder. In many cases, cholecystitis is caused by gallstones that block the tube leading out of the gallbladder. This results in a buildup of bile that can cause inflammation. Other causes of cholecystitis include infection, injury and tumors. The doc didn’t say that I have gallstones so I presume it is caused by infection. I have been diagnosed with cholecystitis for the first time when I did abdominal ultrasound in April. Nothing has changed since then.
In presence of cholecystitis, a blood test may reveal that white blood cell count is higher than normal, which may indicate an infection. Blood tests may also show high levels of bilirubin (an orange-yellow pigment that's released into bile and stored in gallbladder), alkaline phosphatase (an enzyme found in high concentrations in liver and bile ducts) and serum aninotransferase (liver enzymes). It is interesting because I have normal readings of the above tests. Moreover I have none of the signs or symptoms of cholecystitis. The doc who was examining me couldn’t believe that I don’t have any pain in bladder area.
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The condition of having low hydrochloric acid levels in the stomach is often the cause of digestive disorders.
A fortnight or so ago I started making herbal decoctions. In my case its a sort of tea made from bitters (dandelion, wormwood, celandine) and carminatives (fennel seeds, ginger, peppermint, caraway). I wish it worked…
Since I am eating nothing but meat and fat I should not have had the following digestive complaints:
- anal itching;
- anemia;
- regular diarrhea;
- permanent gas and bloating;
- abdominal cramps, rumblings and gurgling;
- feeling full all the time;
- constant stomach aches;
- foul-smelling and greasy stool;
- distended abdomen (am I becoming one of the massai (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3281/2930327665_8c381e3c56.jpg)?).
No wonder that suffering from all the above I feel like nothing on earth...
Not true! Definitely not true - there are at least two men who must eat raw bacuse their stomachs make no hydrochloric acid. When people eat raw meat and have digestive problems, it is not reasonable to think that it is in the stomach.
Have you tried drying the meat first? You might be one of those who, like me, react badly to fresh meat, but do well if it is somewhat dried. Reference to Dr. Harris' comment about an allergen in meat (bovine serum albumin) being removed by drying.
I thaw ground beef in the frig for a day, then dry for 3 hours. It is tasty.
Fat also tastes better when it is dried, but I have not tried drying it for such a short time.
I have been zeroing for five months now. The results are far from satisfying. But I am certain that carbs won’t change anything.
My digestion is dead miserable. The condition of having low hydrochloric acid levels in the stomach is often the cause of digestive disorders. Some researchers have found that people with certain diseases are more likely to have an inability to produce normal quantities of stomach acid (including Addison’s or thyroid disease).
Three major categories of herbs are used to treat indigestion when no cause for the condition is known: bitters (digestive stimulants), carminatives (gas-relieving herbs), and demulcents (soothing herbs). A fortnight or so ago I started making herbal decoctions. In my case its a sort of tea made from bitters (dandelion, wormwood, celandine) and carminatives (fennel seeds, ginger, peppermint, caraway). I wish it worked…
Since I am eating nothing but meat and fat I should not have had the following digestive complaints:
- anal itching;
- anemia;
- regular diarrhea;
- permanent gas and bloating;
- abdominal cramps, rumblings and gurgling;
- feeling full all the time;
- constant stomach aches;
- foul-smelling and greasy stool;
- distended abdomen (am I becoming one of the massai (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3281/2930327665_8c381e3c56.jpg)?).
No wonder that I feel like nothing on earth...
What about betain HCL ??
Why then all the digestive problems?
This is what I am eating:
Do you get a fever too, along with those other problems? I think I get all those problems you mentioned, when I eat certain types of fat, the tougher fats. Is your beef grass-fed? Oh, looks like you eat lamb, why is the meat so black? I was wondering if larger amounts of fat could only be eaten from mature animals... As I think it gets softer? Is your lamb grass-fed then? With lamb though, even if it is - it still only lived for a short time...
Way too much fat!
No wild animal can carry so much fat.
Way too much fat!Agreed.
Agreed.
If those photos are indicative of the ratio of fat to lean in your meals Yuri then you're eating too much fat. This would definitely explain some, but not all, of your symptoms.
It's not frequently I say this but you need to cut back on some of the fat intake and see how it makes you feel.
I also tend to eat too much fat and experience similar symptoms...
interesting.. I've been having a lil bit of diarrhea in the last 2-3 days, and coincidentally, the meat i've been eating this week is the fattiest meat i've ever eaten. I was wondering why.Post up a photo if you can beforehand.
I will go back to leaner meat.
Do you really think guys that over the two years of trying to address my health problems I haven't experimented with lowering my fat intake yet? My digestion is low no matter if I eat just leaner meats, fish or fowl. Granted if I go above certain percentage of fat in the diet the situation exacerbates even further.
In those photos are the fattest parts of the animal namely brisket and ribs. I do not see anything unnatural about that.
According to the ultrasound scan I didn't have any stones in my bile. It was just inflamed. Wikipedia states that "cholecystitis usually presents as a pain in the right upper quadrant. This is usually a constant, severe pain. The pain may be felt to 'refer' to the right flank or right scapular region at first. May also present with the above mentioned pain after eating greasy or fatty foods such as pastries, pies and fried foods. This is usually accompanied by a low grade fever, vomiting and nausea." However, much to the doc's surprise I didn't have any pain in there or any other specific symptoms. I am not sure its anything to worry about. If you lose too much sleep over the gallstones you can make one of those gallbladder flushes to settle yourself down.
Butter... is one of the easiest fats to digest and assimilate. It is second only to fat in egg yolk and coconut oil.
I have also noticed that SUET and to a lesser extend subcutaneous fat tend to cause stomach pains, loose stools and diarrhea.
Recorded experience of those who never heard of diet is that they ate the fatty parts of wild animals, and left the lean meat for the dogs/wolves/foxes/crows etc. That was American bison.
Yeah, but what does it mean fatty meat?
Do tongues have alot of fat? Do they taste good?Tongues are somewhere between 50-60% fat.
Yeah, but what does it mean fatty meat? Is that nice, soft mouth-watering fat, and/or the fat mixed with the meat? The difference may be: Fat which served a long-term function within the prey's body is hard to digest and bad; fat which is simply for storing energy in the prey will be easy to digest and good, because it would've constantly been broken down and re assimilated by the prey itself and needed to be soft.
Before IF, when I had perfect digestion, I ate form half a pound to a pound of marrow at one sitting, topped all that fat with a pound of meat and could play soccer in 30-60 minutes after that meal. Now, when my digestion is severely compromised, I tolerate marrow very poorly. Suet also causes me massive problems. Even cream is too hard. The only fat that I can handle more or less fine is butter. It is truly magical…
As for the marrow it is known to be the primary place of storage of toxins in the body. The marrow that I was eating could have contained various heavy metals that might have harmed my thyroid and adrenals.
Why would the animal take time to put the toxins in the bone marrow which would be much more essential to health?
Here I’d like to share with you some of my latest findings:
Since I had nothing to lose I decided to give myself one more chance, this time with a bit of dairy. I made only one change to my all meat and fat diet, namely I replaced suet with butter. The results were not slow to arrive. As early as on the second day I felt warmer. When I was eating suet as my fat source I was extremely cold and had to wear shirt, sweater and jacket in my apartment. As I switched to butter just the shirt was enough to keep me warm. The stomach pains considerably diminished and eventually subsided. The diarrhea stopped. The butter treatment gave me renewed hope…
GOD save the COW!
Very interesting, and it supports the idea that we don't know enough about fat. Was the butter raw?
Could it be because of the fairly high amount of unsaturated fat in butter?
... I make this butter myself.
But all dairy has some drawbacks (from the paleodiet update) :
Hazards of Dairy
I recently spoke at a conference at Harvard organized by Walter Willet, focused on dairy. As the science unfolds, we continue to uncover more information that the National Dairy Council is not going to like. It turns out that there may be much greater concerns than its high insulinemic response, recombinant bovine growth hormone, casein protein, or lactose intolerance. ....
Milk, indeed, may not be good for everybody, particularly cancer patients or those with a family history of cancer.
How many liters of milk it takes you to get 1 Kg of butter on average?
pc, maybe you were not having enough fat/water.
I don't know the source of your dark circles under the eyes, but some common causes cited in links found with a little searching are deficiencies in vitamin K2 or iron. Vitamin A is also sometimes cited. It's strange, though, because if you're eating a raw animal-based diet, you would think you'd be getting these nutrients from pasture-fed organs, red meats and raw dairy.Yuri, last I checked, can't get hold of 100% grassfed meats.
Yuri, last I checked, can't get hold of 100% grassfed meats.
Well, of course I should have mentioned this before but I forgot somehow. As I found out back in November the lamb/mutton that I was eating is 100% grass fed organic. I suspected it could be the case but never had the proper opportunity to verify that. Finally I had a lengthy conversation with the farmer. Initially I asked him how much grain and other stuff he feeds to his muttons. After he replied none I tried to explain him that it is simply impossible. I told him that I had read in certain veterinary books that animals require at least some grains ( ;D). But he took a strong stand. Then he showed me the pictures of his beautiful farm and the green pastures. He even invited me to visit these places but I never had the energy to do that. Anyways I was more than totally satisfied with that.
With that said I am totally convinced that during winter months he feeds his animals some small amounts of grains and probably starches.
As for the quality of dairy that I am getting it is truly divine. I am buying it from one milkman in whom I have absolute trust. He owns only one cow and treats her very well. He has lots of land and stores ups huge amounts of hay for the winter.
I don't know the source of your dark circles under the eyes, but some common causes cited in links found with a little searching are deficiencies in vitamin K2 or iron. Vitamin A is also sometimes cited. It's strange, though, because if you're eating a raw animal-based diet, you would think you'd be getting these nutrients from pasture-fed organs, red meats and raw dairy.
What the hell are you talking about? Sheep don't require grains at all.
What the hell are you talking about? Sheep don't require grains at all
So your blaming all your troubles on your consumption of grain fed meats?
pc701
I used to do paleo but quit
« on: August 26, 2009, 05:00:40 PM »
hello, just some comments
I went on the paleo diet (i was not overweight 5,11 155lbs) and found it hard sticking to it. My whole point here is that one should eat what one wants to eat ...and i KNOW that people hate being on this diet because they miss all the foods that they ate for most of their life that are the mainstay in multiple cultures/societies (corn,potaotes,dairy,sugar bread.etc).
What i would recommend to people is eat what you want ,your taste buds are an indication of what you need for your body i believe..If you dislike eating salads and eating meat everyday then DONT DO IT.
TRY THIS/HOW ABOUT THIS:...EAT ANY FOODS YOU LIKE BUT JUST EAT ONE MEAL A DAY AND AT NIGHT...along with...INTERMITTENT FASTING/FASTING ...say 2-3 days a week (for people who want to loose weight perhaps or just for those who want a change)
TIP: i believe paleo hunters only really did eat at night/past noon with the fire and meat roasting and 1 meal a day and not at least 3 meals a day like most people do. also, they intermittently fasted (they did not catch game/meat everyday right...)
Just my comments and opinion.
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Yuri, would you say that you meet your protein requirements correctly, given that you exercise, or even over-exercise? You seem to have little adipose tissue these days - is that optimal? How's your electrolyte balance - any cramps?
is food moving well through the GI tract, with a daily bowel movement, at least?No, they are not.
Also, how is the basal metabolic rate? Did you ever measure body temperature upon waking (like via armpit or bumhole, hehe)?Around 97 in the mornings. I am Thermal chameleon - hot when it's warm and cold when it's cool. My thermoregulation is poor though.
How is your thyroid/adrenals? Any greasy stools or pain radiating up to right shoulder blade upon eating fats?
Sure I understand that some people feel better with raw meat versus cooked but if raw meat really gave more energy and more health, then no culture today would be cooking their meat.
You proved nothing KD except that people change.
Maybe I should of post my doubts in the hot topics section. Anyways, i think all hunter gatherers cookedThis is a mind-boggingly stupid opinion as it blindly assumes that anything that humans do for long periods must therefore be good for them. The fact that modern humans routinely do harmful things such as smoking tobacco, taking heroin or taking life-threatening risks re extreme sports, carrying out circumcision rites etc., makes it pretty clear that humans can easily carry out harmful practices for endless millenia, whether or not they are aware of the negative consequences of those actions, so the above troll's opinion is simply laughable. And the notion that HGs like the Khoi/San people are somehow wiser than any other human is just another example of the foolishness in believing in the ridiculous mythical Noble Savage theory. And strictly speaking, the raw, palaeolithic diet is much older than any other diet as it was practised all the way up till 250,000 years ago when cooking was invented, it's the modern balanced diet which is the fad experiment. Plus, we are the only species to cook its food, indicating just how weird and faddish humans are, at least as regards cooking.
their meat for a logical reason, they followed their instincts, they are very wise, they ate certain parts raw and certain cooked, they did what worked and a 100% raw meat diet they did not eat because they recognized it did not work. They passed on generation after generation what worked, what makes healthy goodlooking babies, if raw meat digested easier made them stronger taller then they would take that info and apply it, but that never happend. And the reason why some can fully digest the raw protein and some can't is because stronger digestion/ stomach acid. I trust our past and current Paleolithic ancestors such as the Khoi/ San people, Indian buffalo hunters, Amazonian tribes more so than this recent fad experiment in all raw diet, they have the true knowledge, wisdom and experience. If we all had the stomach acid of a lion we could all eat pounds of meat a day and become giants, but we don't have that and therefore some of us have to resort to cooking our meat. Of course raw meat/animal foods can be healing, but i have doubts whether it's doable longterm. That's cool if you decide to kick me off, but I say these things so others don't get possibly hurt and to read a second opinion. Even neaderthals cooked their meats. I'm just saying that our ancestors/ Paleolithic peoples could not have not gotten it wrong. True, maybe the optimal diet is a all raw diet, but if it was then I don't see why our ancestors would not have done it.
Well, I couldn't really comprehend the timeline of your photos - is the "now" you the one with a belly or the one that is carved flesh, sinew and bone?!Those where I am FAT were taken this past Sunday. My weight is normal but due to decrease in muscle mass I have the extra fat.
Do you eat raw or low-heat dessicated thyroid? Also, do you have a good source of carbohydrates? Have you ever considered hi-carb, hi-fat, enough-protein approach, along with glandular support from raw sweetbreads? How about anti-inflammatory glycine from bone meal/broth?No, I can’t get raw thyroid. The farmers mistakenly believe that thymus is actually the thyroid. Even meat inspection experts claim it is the same thing. I have no pictures of real thyroid to prove they are wrong.
Can you tolerate coconut oil, and do you know about its great effect on the thyroid and metabolism? The medium-chain fats in coconut oil (much more so than in butter) are uptaken without emulsification with bile salts.No, I can’t tolerate it. Moreover it is not available here. Besides it is yet to be proven that coconut oil may have any healing effect on the thyroid. Is Coconut Oil Really a Thyroid Cure? (http://thyroid.about.com/gi/o.htm?zi=1/XJ&zTi=1&sdn=thyroid&cdn=health&tm=24&f=00&su=p284.9.336.ip_p726.5.336.ip_&tt=2&bt=1&bts=0&zu=http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/woliner1.htm)
Have you seen the anecdotes about restoring optimal peristalsis by increasing bile output? Do you consider the potential that you have severe congestion of the hepatic lobes and ducts, even though it's sub-clinical/asymptomatic?Everything is possible. I have no idea.
Are you unfavourable towards the ancient shamanic art of herbalism?I don’t really have the energy to dig deeper into any alternative cures.
Also, is it through dogma or some favourable results that you're sticking with RZC? Our other friends have then decided that RZC is never going to be optimal for them (you have seen the experiences of others, right?).I just wanted to make it through the winter without carbs. Naturally speaking there are not much of them under the snow out there.
I would make an ethanolic extraction (maybe from alcohol of non-gluten source) of the fresh/dried herbs, although I do not have the time to expend/wait, so I just buy it from a mass producer.I wonder why bother with all those tinctures? The stomach responds to bitters before they arrive in it. When bitter flavor touches the tongue, it stimulates the exocrine and endocrine glands. These, in turn, stimulate the digestive juices to the stomach, liver, pancreas and duodenum. The flow of these juices improves the appetite, digestion, and assimilation. The stronger the bitter flavor of the food or herb, the more potent the action.
The only tinctures I'd prep myself would be fresh cannabis flower (great as a sublingual spray for getting loaded anywhere you can't smoke a joint, plus no heat-mediated toxicity) or some obscure Chinese herbs where my local herbalist is unable to deliver.
Otherwise, let the trials commence...
I stll feel a little bit dubious after seeing keto-boy's black shadows/edema...
you need a girlfriend.
Those where I am FAT were taken this past Sunday. My weight is normal but due to decrease in muscle mass I have the extra fat.
No, I can’t get raw thyroid. The farmers mistakenly believe that thymus is actually the thyroid. Even meat inspection experts claim it is the same thing. I have no pictures of real thyroid to prove they are wrong.
If you really want to get hold of a thyroid, (or any other organ), you can always go to a park and catch a small animal (rabbit, squirrel, etc) or bird (duck, goose, etc).
Traditional Newfoundland women all learned to snare rabbits...
So that means I should marry one?
...Initially, I seem to remember that PaleoPhil resolved long-standing nephritis with a raw zero-carb diet...Am I right PaleoPhil? If this kind of stress on the kidneys (clearing serum nitrogen etc.) is damaging, how could PaleoPhil resolve nephritis?Close, I had chronic nephrolithiasis (kidney stones--most of them very small) and chronic urinary tract infections. The biggest help seemed to be when I cut out gluten, though my urinary flow improved further when I went ZC. The possible concerns I developed since going ZC are bubbly urine (possible return of past intermittent proteinuria?) and low urine pH. No other new problems have developed and those are only theoretical risks that haven't yet caused any actual problems I'm aware of. All my other health issues have improved either a little or a lot, though not all are resolved.
Also, all this talk of kidneys here and nobody experimented with nephrolithiasis dissolution through herbalism.I have bought all the roots/herbs I need now for the cleanse and I will subject myself to it next week, which should be interesting.Actually, I think Lex reported trying pretty much everything in the book, and I've tried some herbal products in the past with no noticeable benefits, other than that ones with senna in them provided a mild laxative effect.
The question would be - why do some people have kidney challenge and others not?I don't know. There may be multiple factors involved.
people only benefitting from meat+fat around hereSome have reported benefiting from larger inclusion of plant-foods, even though I haven't.
I suffer from severe chronic pernicious anemia (http://www.diagnose-me.com/cond/C364379.html) and have all the typical symptoms. Even my lab results (http://www.rawpaleoforum.com/journals/yuri-recovery/msg19958/#msg19958) prove that.Is pernicious anemia also associated with dark circles under the eyes? Did your physician suggest any explanations? Are you receiving treatment for your pernicious anemia, such as sublingual or injected B12?
The possible concerns I developed since going ZC are bubbly urine (possible return of past intermittent proteinuria?) and low urine pH. No other new problems have developed and those are only theoretical risks that haven't yet caused any actual problems I'm aware of. All my other health issues have improved either a little or a lot, though not all are resolved.
Is pernicious anemia also associated with dark circles under the eyes? Did your physician suggest any explanations? Are you receiving treatment for your pernicious anemia, such as sublingual or injected B12?
I am seeing progressive gum recession as well. They are not bleeding but I do not like where it is going. There is definitely something missing in our diet or maybe something too much.You didn't mention vitamin K2 (preferably the mk4 animal-source version), magnesium or calcium. Vitamin K2 seems to be especially important for dental health, according to multiple sources.
I eat about 1-2 fruits daily and raw organs regularly so Vit C issue should be out of question. Everything else (A,D, iron, zinc, etc. ) checks out as well. Not sure what is missing. Maybe something is too much?
According to PANU having hard cheese here and there, eggs, and organs should be enough for K2.Yeah, except that supplementing with K2 softgels does seem to be reducing my dental plaque, and Richard Nikoley of Free the Animal also reports this.
Calcium, magnesium, Lex does not seem to have extra need for those. Why should I? He took his body through so many years of abuse and it appears that all meat/fat diet is pretty sufficient.I don't know; you may not need it, but different people appear to have different needs, from what I've seen reported here and elsewhere, so it's possible Yuri, for example, might need more Ca or Mg or both. Just covering all the possibilities I can think of.
Or take any pure carnivore, I doubt their calcium/magnesium needs are that much different.
Another thing is my calcium blood levels are pretty high.My dental problems weren't resolving completely on raw carnivore, so I added a K2 supplement. The powder version didn't help noticeably, but the softgel version does seem to be helping. Richard Nikoley's experience was similar.
So what gives?
Your theory on why this happens?Most cases of simple muscle inflammation can be attributed to overexertion while exercising. Maybe it is delayed onset muscle soreness (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_onset_muscle_soreness)?
Have you ever experimented with eggs or yolks, like lots of them AV style?In July 2009 I had a good source of the finest quality goose eggs. It was a great opportunity to test AV’s lots of eggs advice. For the first two weeks or so I was eating 7 – 8 goose yolks daily (equals around 30 normal chicken yolks). The only other food that I was consuming back than was cucumber juice. I didn’t experience any dramatic improvement or any signs of recovery but I felt more or less OK. Then I tried to eat the whole eggs (5 – 6 daily) and crashed immediately. I promised to myself to never touch the raw egg whites again in my life.
That's very interesting that ketosis can be sustained with such a high dietary glucose content. Also that it can be derailed by a high protein content. Do those numbers crunch right for everyone?
Yuri,
I'm concerned about your mal-absorption of nutrients.
Look up "protein calorie malnutrition".
You probably need professional care to nurse yourself back to being able to absorb nutrients.
Pancreatic insufficiency is the inability of the exocrine pancreas to produce and/or transport enough digestive enzymes to break down food in the intestine and to allow its absorption.
Pancreatic insufficiency usually presents with symptoms of malabsorption, malnutrition, vitamin deficiencies, and weight loss (or inability to gain weight in children) and is often associated with steatorrhea (loose, fatty, foul-smelling stools). Diabetes may also be present in adults with pancreatic insufficiency.
You looked good, Yuri.
What did the documentary say?
Update: I don't like those berries. They are way too astringent.
I got some some that looked ripe and they still don't taste good.
– thyroid underconversion
– heat and cold intolerance
I don't recall--have you tried increasing your iodine intake?
Yeah, I'm still puzzled as to why you continue ZC. Based on your reports and rhetoric, I figured you had abandoned it a while ago. I didn't mean to imply that I thought you should use iodine as a way to continue ZC. Quite the contrary, I've read that iodine deficiency is a common side effect of ZC.I am sort of looking for the route of escape right now. Yes, I did have a couple of fruit meals recently, so I am not ZC anymore.
I don't even eat ZC myself, and it was only ever meant to be a temporary experiment in my case, but it turned out I did better on it than I expected. I even got lectured to and my posts basically ridiculed for talking too much about Inuit consumption of berries, leaves and other plant foods at the ZIOH forum.
I am sort of looking for the route of escape right now. Yes, I did have a couple of fruit meals recently, so I am not ZC anymore.Glad to hear that you're not sticking to something that clearly wasn't working for you. Hope you do find what, if anything, works for you.
Mate, it was really incautious act on your part to talk about carbs on that artificial forum.Yeah, it was a rookie mistake that I didn't repeat. I prefer forums where no subject is off the table, such as Dirty Carnivore and here.
44 Weeks Later: Z-RAW Effect
The Pros
+ stable BG
+ long-lasting energy
+ feeling relaxed
and Cons
– prolonged muscle soreness/poor muscle recovery (http://www.rawpaleoforum.com/journals/yuri-recovery/msg35214/#msg35214)
– slowdown of facial/body hair growth
– infrequent bowel movements
– muscle wasting – I assume there was a huge muscle loss since my weight went down from 155 lbs to 140 lbs while the belly fat increased (http://i28.tinypic.com/2wncjk6.jpg)
– reduction in the ability to form short-term or long-term memory, impairments to cognition and inability to concentrate (focus attention), slow thinking
– thyroid underconversion (http://www.rawpaleoforum.com/journals/yuri-recovery/msg36492/#msg36492)
– heat and cold intolerance
– insulin resistance
– severe recurrent infections, sore throat, swollen lymph nodes
– muscle weakness
Yuri I know it sounds very simple but did you try magnesium supllements?Sometimes the most complicated issues have the simplest solutions. Unfortunately, it is not my case. I tried Peter Gillham's Natural Calm (http://calm.ru/HK454) and Premier Magnesium Glycinate (http://www.sunstarorganics.com/40017/447296/Premier-Research/MAGNESIUM-GLYCINATE.html). I haven't really noticed any significant improvements.
I know I know its sounds stupid or simple because you tried more complex things
But what if you try 500mg magnesium 2x day total 1000mg mornin/before night?
Magnesium is everything in your body it controls more than 350 enzymes
just give it a try and tell me how it was I gotta know.
They appear to be all in range.
Don't things like cortisol change through out the day anyway? seems like if anyone looked hard enough and took enough tests you can find something wrong. I know, I've done it.
Just noticed anti TPO is high. What ever that is and who cares?
You know I get fatigue, feel cold sometimes, cramps, get swollen glands, dry eyes, I even lost muscle mass lately because I went through a bit of a life changing transition but it will come back when things settle down. I could keep going on but these symptoms are part of being alive. It's the human condition. Most people don't give these symptoms a second thought and they go away. If you keep thinking about them and try and cure them they get worse.
I agree. I feel a big part of your problems might be mental Yuri.
How do you interpret those values to get adrenal fatigue?
Most of them seem to be in range.
You know I get fatigue, feel cold sometimes, cramps, get swollen glands, dry eyes, I even lost muscle mass lately because I went through a bit of a life changing transition but it will come back when things settle down. I could keep going on but these symptoms are part of being alive. It's the human condition. Most people don't give these symptoms a second thought and they go away. If you keep thinking about them and try and cure them they get worse.He jests at scars that never felt a wound.
He jests at scars that never felt a wound.
I dunno about that. Can mental problems really stop your digestion? I know dairy does that to me, no matter what's in my mind. I know I can be the happiest person, but eating the wrong things or doing the wrong stuff throws me off balance.
My lab results were also always "in range." The good doctors told me the same thing: It's a mental problem. However, I found out that changes in diet and lifestyle can make me feel better or worse, which in turn helps me mentally, not the other way round.
No one is saying it's all in his head. It was more implied that feeling sorry for your self and constantly complaining is downbreaking and detrimental.
ZC is fine, but in an evening meal you should consume lots of meat(lbs), and then rest to allow your body to process it properly,
As you decrease fruit consumption you need to up the meat consumption. If you try to go zero carb, but replace your carbs with fat instead of meat then you will have less active energy. If you eat lots of meat in the evening and then rest, it will give you active energy for the next day, until you eat again. If you eat fruit throughout the day it will give you active energy. Either way you should have fat for a more sustained balanced energy(even if it's your PRIMARY energy source), but if you try to make fat your sole energy source you will be lethargic as it requires a lot of oxygen to utilise. Your main energy source yeah, but the more you want to have active energy, easy-to-use energy, the more you need to eat of either meat or fruit. ZC is fine, but in an evening meal you should consume lots of meat(lbs), and then rest to allow your body to process it properly, unless you are happy being lethargic. Otherwise you can just eat fruit through the day.Miles; we're all different. When I up my meat too high a ratio versus my fat intake I have lower energy, low metabolism, tired eyes, etc. I need to eat a consistently high ratio of suet to lean (truly lean as my meat is ground old bulls so is at best 5% fat by volume) to feel right.
I get the mental aspect. Paleodonk is another who was trying to use fat as almost the sole source of energy, and who felt lethargic as a result. He continued to go through it though because as he said, he didn't 'love himself', so drove on with his present idea of what was dietary perfection, despite the poor way that he felt. In this case, using fat as the sole energy source.You have no idea what you're talking about here miles. Leave PD's diet alone and just be happy he's found his own way to make progress on himself even if it's not on a raw paleo diet. There are a number of things out there just as important as one's food. It might not be the road your or I would take but he has his own way to find and he's doing well. :)
Anger/anxiety/unhappiness/stress/trauma reek havoc on the body and can lead to everything from hayfever to auto immune disorders and death. It can stuff up your cortisol levels/hormones/stop digestion/adrenal problems, this forum is obsessed with diet as a cure but it's not always the answer.
Everyone on here claims to have adrenal insufficency lately this is a red flag to me, it's in fashion like peptic ulcers were in the 80's and carpal tunnel was in the 90's. The sub concious is very suggestive.
How about your purpose in life?
What gets you excited?
What keeps you going?
For example, I have to be healthy and make money for my children. Of course any healthy male might think... energy for more girls!
Dang, so did he ever recover? I was reading up to page 14 and was hoping to see a happy ending giving he registered 6 years ago but he never followed up.Err, Yuri was orthorexic and a hypochondriac. He would always try something different and claim all sorts of benefits, soon followed by arbitrary, rather unlikely health problems.
Yuri was orthorexic and a hypochondriac.
Err, Yuri was orthorexic and a hypochondriac. He would always try something different and claim all sorts of benefits, soon followed by arbitrary, rather unlikely health problems.
Not true. He has a bunch of hormonal imbalances including adrenal and thyroid and most likely some digestion issues. He is somewhat better today but meat still gives him adverse effect. He feels the best on milk, coconut butter, carrots and some fruits. Speaking of Yuri, he's just been in the middle of Ukrainian uprising since he is working for the opposition lawmaker.Absolute nonsense. He behaved just like Nicola before him, constantly reporting some benefits whenever he switched and then soon reporting highly unlikely health problems all over the place. I do not discount the possibility that a minority of people can suffer some sort of health-problem on a raw, palaeolithic diet due to some unusual genetics or bad food combination or whatever, but the absurd, overly complicated, always changing claims of ill-health that Yuri and Nicola et al have made in the past can only be due to orthorexia and hypochondriasis.