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Raw Paleo Diet Forums => Hot Topics => Topic started by: kurite on February 07, 2011, 03:49:08 am
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Hey so once again been reading up on to many fruitarians l). But they all seem to have low to no sex drive. They think it means their hormones are in control, I think it means that their body has realized that it can't get any real food and can't possibly supply food for kids as well as themselves so it shuts off their sex drive. My sex drive has not changed from raw food, did any of you notice a change?
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I was sick with pre diabetic symptoms before this diet, It seems that my sex drive would drop off after each bout of high sugars.
Once I went raw paleo I got a surge of testosterone and had a major increase in drive. I have conceived my 4th child after a birthday weekend feast of oysters and pig testicles.(she is due in a few weeks)
My initial breeding spree has kind of tapered down, but I still feel more potent than I was pre paleo.
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My sex drive actually reduced a bit when I switched to RPD. I'm more in control of myself now as opposed to previously when I was a mass of hormones.
I still annoy my wife with a constant desire for sex though so I guess it didn't diminish much. :P
My recent experiments with high fruit intake did significantly reduce my drive. Extensive aerobic exercise also reduces my drive.
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I believe it is healthy to have higher levels of testosterone and sex drive as long as it is not because of some unnatural cause or synthetic hormones. I lost my sex drive completely, even when going on Raw Paleo. I've been doing everything I can to bring my testosterone levels up and estrogen levels down and using 7 different herbal testosterone boosting supplements. This is bringing my overall health back almost completely. My acne and chronic fatigue is disappearing. Sometimes people need some help from herbal supplements in these hormonal cases.
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i think a feast like sabertooth and some naked sun time will do the trick :D
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I am skeptical about most hormone boosting herbs, although my wife and I were drinking some damiana tea, while she was conceiving my 2nd child. We even made Damiana her middle name as a memento of the occasion. I think that plants can provide some temporary effects that boost libido, but I doubt that herbs can somehow fix hormonal deficiencies and believe that they could actually interfer with the healing process. There is room for debate here, I am not saying that all herbs should be avoided. I will agree some people could use herbs to provide temporary improvements while at the same time healing the glands with paleo nutrition.
But going paleo and avoiding plant estrogen should be the key to restoring hormonal balance, there is room for some raw animal hormone boosters, like testicles, or oyster. I can vouch they do work on increasing drive.,although it may not be as dramatic as some may hope for
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I am skeptical about most hormone boosting herbs, although my wife and I were drinking some damiana tea, while she was conceiving my 2nd child. We even made Damiana her middle name as a memento of the occasion. I think that plants can provide some temporary effects that boost libido, but I doubt that herbs can somehow fix hormonal deficiencies and believe that they could actually interfer with the healing process. There is room for debate here, I am not saying that all herbs should be avoided. I will agree some people could use herbs to provide temporary improvements while at the same time healing the glands with paleo nutrition.
But going paleo and avoiding plant estrogen should be the key to restoring hormonal balance, there is room for some raw animal hormone boosters, like testicles, or oyster. I can vouch they do work on increasing drive.,although it may not be as dramatic as some may hope for
I took pre and post blood tests and did a 1 month cycle on an amino acid d aspartic acid. It increased my testosterone nearly 200 points and took me to a good state. Maca also helps greatly, though I have not done pre and post blood tests. The HUGE increase in ejaculatory volume from maca speaks for itself for me. You know what they say, fetility and testosterone are synonymous and go hand in hand. How bout some RPD sperm donors to help out society?
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Hey so once again been reading up on to many fruitarians l). But they all seem to have low to no sex drive. They think it means their hormones are in control, I think it means that their body has realized that it can't get any real food and can't possibly supply food for kids as well as themselves so it shuts off their sex drive. My sex drive has not changed from raw food, did any of you notice a change?
Yo Kurite, you are a teenager, right? 19 years old? You are at the peak of your sexuality, some 18 to 25 years old is the height of it all. Whether you are on raw or not.
I'd say yes at 38 to 41 (RPD times) I have more drive and more sexual energy than when I was 30 to 37 (fat, sickly on SAD times).
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I believe it is healthy to have higher levels of testosterone and sex drive as long as it is not because of some unnatural cause or synthetic hormones. I lost my sex drive completely, even when going on Raw Paleo. I've been doing everything I can to bring my testosterone levels up and estrogen levels down and using 7 different herbal testosterone boosting supplements. This is bringing my overall health back almost completely. My acne and chronic fatigue is disappearing. Sometimes people need some help from herbal supplements in these hormonal cases.
I have been suffering from the same symptoms for years. RPD is helping, but slowly. This is expected though, since my hormonal shutdown was for like 3 years, the shit takes time. My serum blood leves are rising though. Herbs do help. Staples for high T for me are maca, nettle root, and d aspartic acid. From the diet, I just make sure I get plenty of cholesterol. I also use Dr. William Wong's andrive, which is the first ever orchic (bull testicles) extract cream. The bull testicles get better absorption in your bloodstream via cream rather than ingesting them and hoping your stomach acids wont destroy any of the testosterone nutrients.
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Oh yes I do claim the benefits of sunbathing?tanning beds.
I will get a huge boost in drive after sunning or tanning, I can feel the testosterone increase.
I have a protocol that seems to guarantee success for increasing sex drive as well as overall wellbeing. (At least it works for me)
The basic plan involves tanning at least once a week. Eating oysters,egg yolks, and testicle regularly along with the raw paleo diet that works for you. While avoiding known hormone disrupting foods.
(although I am not sure what women should do about replacing testicles in the diet)
Eggs yolks have cholesterol and B vitamines that are used by the body to produce hormones
Oysters are high in zinc DHA and other minerals that are used by the gonads
Testicles have all the minerals needed by the male genital tract as well as useable amounts of testosterone.
If I had the money I would add caviar onto the list as well. I haven had any since going raw but it is renowned for putting people in the mood.
I am sure there are many other raw foods that would work as well. I wanted to try maca but never found a fresh source.
The raw diet along with highmeat, tanning, moderate exercise, daily stretching(yoga) have given me the closest thing to hormonal nirvana I have yet to find.
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I think as long as you arn't walking around thinking about murdering people when you arn't getting laid having a high sex drive is fine. hehe
I disagree of course with even high sex drives necessarily corresponding with illness per se. As pointed out..its only certain pathological needs caused by hormones and probably mental issues is the problem. There is no fight or flight need to procreate during extreme illness as far as I know. I've seen dogs die and they never tried to fuck things on the way out. Its possible excessive meat or something might effect hormones negatively I guess, I dunno, but the vegan criticism is plain ascetic duds. I went for a whole year without barely even jerking off. Big deal. Today I'm more transcendental then ever.
Although I had some pretty hefty hormonal issues based on some of the conditions I had, I never seemed to have too many problems afterward tho at least with sex..even before I began diets. I can say that although i've usually been able to have sex 2 and MAYBE 3 times in one night most of my 20's, the other day was the first time where I actually came... went to the bathroom and and threw the condom in the toilet or whatever and then got right in there again right away. O0
The raw diet along with highmeat, tanning, moderate exercise, daily stretching(yoga) have given me the closest thing to hormonal nirvana I have yet to find.
this should be your caption by your smiling pic on the website. Or in a big word bubble.
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Oh yes I do claim the benefits of sunbathing?tanning beds.
I will get a huge boost in drive after sunning or tanning, I can feel the testosterone increase.
I have a protocol that seems to guarantee success for increasing sex drive as well as overall wellbeing. (At least it works for me)
The basic plan involves tanning at least once a week. Eating oysters,egg yolks, and testicle regularly along with the raw paleo diet that works for you. While avoiding known hormone disrupting foods.
(although I am not sure what women should do about replacing testicles in the diet)
Eggs yolks have cholesterol and B vitamines that are used by the body to produce hormones
Oysters are high in zinc DHA and other minerals that are used by the gonads
Testicles have all the minerals needed by the male genital tract as well as useable amounts of testosterone.
If I had the money I would add caviar onto the list as well. I haven had any since going raw but it is renowned for putting people in the mood.
I am sure there are many other raw foods that would work as well. I wanted to try maca but never found a fresh source.
The raw diet along with highmeat, tanning, moderate exercise, daily stretching(yoga) have given me the closest thing to hormonal nirvana I have yet to find.
Nothing makes me get an erection easier than nude sunbathing. I know exactly what you are speaking of kurite. Maca is absolutely amazing as well. There are many plant sterols in it that convert directly into testosterone and progesterone in males and females. I can vouch for the ejaculatory volume as it gives me "money shots" like a pornstar. ;) Maca and zinc are absolute staples in my T boosting nutrients. I take vitamin d as well, but I dont notice any libido effects from it, just from the REAL sun.
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and probably mental issues is the problem.
No, this has been proven wrong time and time again. If sex drive were a mental issue, why does the "little blue pill" work so well? It used to be the norm to tell a male it is all in his head until docs started learning more about male physiology. It really is 3 things. Dopamine, Hormones, Blood. Mess any of those up and you have a formula for low libido.
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No, this has been proven wrong time and time again. If sex drive were a mental issue, why does the "little blue pill" work so well? It used to be the norm to tell a male it is all in his head until docs started learning more about male physiology. It really is 3 things. Dopamine, Hormones, Blood. Mess any of those up and you have a formula for low libido.
sorry, I guess I worded that wrong. I meant people that have mental issues and screwed up hormones...give high sex drives a bad wrap. : ) In other words people think the are holi compared to reved up kids on exciotoxins and bad internet porn. I agree the hormones (high or low) are due to larger physical problems/diet.
I actually bought some maca and have been trying it out. has to be about the worst tasting thing on planet earth. Might I ask what you do with it?
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Might I ask what you do with it?
It goes well with cacao and honey IMO. I can't eat it strait, I would be surprised if anyone does.
I await pioneer's response.
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I once went halves in a blue pill as a joke at a party with a girl I'm friends with. end of party for me.
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I'm pretty sure yoga causes estrogen dominance.
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sorry, I guess I worded that wrong. I meant people that have mental issues and screwed up hormones...give high sex drives a bad wrap. : ) In other words people think the are holi compared to reved up kids on exciotoxins and bad internet porn. I agree the hormones (high or low) are due to larger physical problems/diet.
I actually bought some maca and have been trying it out. has to be about the worst tasting thing on planet earth. Might I ask what you do with it?
I actually like the taste and smell of it. I get mine from mountainroseherbs.com for $10/lb. All I do is mix it with water. I take about 6 tablespoons of the stuff a day as there is a threshold, though it is different for everyone. I just play it safe and consume more. If you mix about 2 tablespoons with 16 oz of water, the water will dilute the maca and it will taste fine. When I used to drink milk, I mixed maca with milk and it tasted friggin amazing, but I am over the dairy. Trust me, there are worse tasting things than maca, try free form L arginine, stuff smells like semen. -[
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It goes well with cacao and honey IMO. I can't eat it strait, I would be surprised if anyone does.
I await pioneer's response.
Yeah, unless you eat the actual maca root, it is impossible to eat it straight. Just mix the powder with water and drink. Anyone who absolutely can't stand the powder should be taking Dr. wongs andeanessence maca product. He is able to fit 4 tablespoons of the stuff in 1 capsule, and that is all you need to take every day.
Taking maca at the right times helps as well. For instance: we make testosterone at 2-4am, and 2-4 pm. Therefore, the best times to take maca are before bed and early afternoon, although, I suppose it really does not matter too much. I suspect you want the stuff in your system before your body makes the juice though. But, if you are consuming it regularly, it should pretty much always be used IMO.
Anybody experiment with macuna yet? I tried it and did not notice anything. I am practicing to become an herbalist and I am tincturing Catuaba, muira puama, ashwaganda, and nettle root right now to make a super libido formula. I will let you guys know how it goes in the future.
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MMMMMmmmmm :) I just mixed maca in with my ground meat and ate it. It was damn good.
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I'm pretty sure yoga causes estrogen dominance.
Yoga is not a cause of estrogen dominance, but it could be considered a symptom. If a male is not over burdenend with estrogen and he engages in a yoga practice then it can be beneficial for libido. After about an hour long session of intense stretching and holding positions, I will get fairly randy.
Its a cliche that yoga is dominated by hyper estrogen crazed fanantics. I agree there are many effeminate vegan men that pratice yoga, but that doesn't mean that a macho man cant benefit from the practice as well.
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Might I ask what you do with it?
It can taste good with raw uncultured butter and vanilla, but the question is should we risk the vanilla bean?
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I think it means that their body has realized that it can't get any real food and can't possibly supply food for kids as well as themselves so it shuts off their sex drive.
I think how we enjoy or dislike smell is important. Before I tried RAF, some smells bothered me, such as: some men, some sweat, some other body fluids. Then there were body smells I liked, but it was a lightish "like". Since eating RAF I have noticed a change in these things. The reported smells I disliked, I began to finally tolerate. The smells I lightly liked, I instead them enjoy smelling more than before, if I am recording right. That's all.
Wait, ok, I have more, since you're talking about fruitarianism, although I think I never had sex while fruitarian, or at least never started out wanting having it. Maybe that's why cults can use it. Eating raw vegan diet I could tolerate smells well too, but but did not enjoy smells the same way. I think this is important to sex. Also, I have more drive on the RAF, a pure healthy drive is what it feels like. Where on the raw vegan it the drive was kind of a lost drive, if that makes sense, like a tentative one, like nervous and a little uncomfortable that nothing can really calm instead of sure and deep.
Eating cooked food can be like being in a blinding smog or fog, whichever. I guess it can be used to help people multiply, as long as their fertile, or just have more sex if they want sex that way. I didn't feel good and attractive on cooked.
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Raw paleo's been a lot better for me. It wasn't low before either.
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When I eat a lot of raw meat, esp. fatty parts of wild boar, ram testicles, kidneys, yolks, etc. my sex drive skyrockets to unbeliveable levels. 8)
Physical activity promotes it too - esp. hindu squats, deadlift, which "attack" the large muscles and release lots of testosteron.
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Well, I'm a girl, and I haven't noticed that much of a drop in my sex drive since I started eating more fruit than anything.. though, I don't think my want for sex has ever been effected by my diet. Though, I am still a virgin and don't actually have sex or anything. But uh, yeah, I haven't noticed anything I eat making me want sex more or less, even when switching from SAD to 100% raw.. I think I'm more affected by outside sources than internal..
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Well, I'm a girl, and I haven't noticed that much of a drop in my sex drive since I started eating more fruit than anything.. though, I don't think my want for sex has ever been effected by my diet. Though, I am still a virgin and don't actually have sex or anything. But uh, yeah, I haven't noticed anything I eat making me want sex more or less, even when switching from SAD to 100% raw.. I think I'm more affected by outside sources than internal..
Yah I've never had a change because of diet either and as far as I know most people don't except fruitarians. So far almost all fruitarians over 1 year of the diet seem to experience it. I never was able to last a full year fruitarian, by then end my teeth hurt so much that I couldn't breath through my mouth.
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Probably a bit of an increase in drive for me. But nothing like cannabis for shear horniness and yohimbe works a treat too, at least physically it makes you um, harder :o -d
Those two substances are the closest I've seen to what people call aphrodisiacs. I know a lot of other substances can help put you in the mood, but nothing makes you directly want to screw like these two.
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My sex drive actually reduced a bit when I switched to RPD. I'm more in control of myself now as opposed to previously when I was a mass of hormones.
I still annoy my wife with a constant desire for sex though so I guess it didn't diminish much. :P
My recent experiments with high fruit intake did significantly reduce my drive. Extensive aerobic exercise also reduces my drive.
This pretty much sums up my experience. I went from hypersexed to being on an even keel. I had no sex drive when I was vegan.
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I think how we enjoy or dislike smell is important. Before I tried RAF, some smells bothered me, such as: some men, some sweat, some other body fluids.
Before RAF, and now, I have to know what a man smells like before I know if I am really attracted to him or not. :D
That's why I hate cologne so much, makes me wonder 'who are you??' ;D
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Found a man yet?
When I go by smell I'm even picker than ever. When you meet each other though and you 'match' I think both people know it, don't you think?
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I have a smell hound instinct that has become very active since starting paleo. I beg my wife not to wash with soap or use deodorant, She usually is a clean freak but every now and then she will treat me aromatically to that intoxicating scent. Its incredibly luscious and she knows it will get my attention anytime. Its kind of weird , but I seem to almost crave the scent and will sniff around desperately for just a hint. Even if most of the smell has been washed away I can sometimes get just enough of a whiff to satisfy the craving.
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Before RAF, and now, I have to know what a man smells like before I know if I am really attracted to him or not. :D
That's why I hate cologne so much, makes me wonder 'who are you??' ;D
On RPD, my wife does not like the way I smell. :(
She wants me to use the deodorant she bought because I don't buy any.
I like the way my wife smells all the time from 20 years ago until today.
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On RPD, my wife does not like the way I smell. :(
She wants me to use the deodorant she bought because I don't buy any.
I like the way my wife smells all the time from 20 years ago until today.
If a girl said that to me I would dump her.
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On RPD, my wife does not like the way I smell.
With every year living 100% raw my smell becomes more sensitive and I made the converse experience: I didn't like the smell of my cooking husband any more. Meanwhile we are seperated. I wonder if mixed raw/cooked relationships have a chance to work in the long term. Not only the smell changes but the way of thinking change too.
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My GF is on a cooked diet, yet we both love the way our armpits smell when not using de odorant. We both think it smells like sex and it gets us really horny. Therefore, we never wear deodorant when it is just the two of us.
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My GF is on a cooked diet, yet we both love the way our armpits smell when not using de odorant. We both think it smells like sex and it gets us really horny. Therefore, we never wear deodorant when it is just the two of us.
Haha, I'm really attracted by my girlfriend's armpits as well, I don't think she understands, though. The natural bodily scents from the opposite sex can really get me going, that is if the female eats relatively healthy and isn't sedentary. I hate all of that nasty deodorant and shampoos that people cover themselves in daily..
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The natural bodily scents from the opposite sex can really get me going, that is if the female eats relatively healthy and isn't sedentary. I hate all of that nasty deodorant and shampoos that people cover themselves in daily..
Agreed.
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The only problem is that we represent a small percentage of people, for now,
Most common folk want you to smell like chemicals.
Or else you must be some kind of hippy who needs to "grow up"
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High. I'm 20! LOL!
Higher with cannabis use.. VERY high..
Ever had coitus, then cuddle for a quick break while drinking coconut juice (from the fruit) then resume? No? Try it. Use the beach as a prop.. but make sure it is legal where you are. I know they won't let me back to the beach again. HAH! Just kiddin'.
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Sure with the amount of zinc and iron yes the urge would be increased, but the actual sensations have been diminished because of male genital mutilation and in the case of females female genital mutilation. Look up foreskin restoration and most people can regain SOME of the sensitivity lost with the prepuce by removing keratin, growing tissue and mucosa.
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Yes, I agree that it has increased quite a bit. I definitely have more stamina than before and feel a lot less tired. No need for coffee or tea on this diet!
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The only problem is that we represent a small percentage of people, for now,
Most common folk want you to smell like chemicals.
Or else you must be some kind of hippy who needs to "grow up"
My boss harasses me constantly about my natural smell, which can be quite strong. And I'm not talking about an unbathed smell, my sweat glands put out a powerful odor. It's one of the things that attracted my S.O. to me when we first met.
My boss bought me deodorant but I refuse to wear it.
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...My boss bought me deodorant...
What a dick
I smell pretty strong some times, not nearly as dank as the first few months though.
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What a dick
I smell pretty strong some times, not nearly as dank as the first few months though.
She (my boss) also likes to run around spraying deodorizer out of a can every time she smells something "funny." Which is very often. But she is losing her mind and I think that the whole smell thing is part of her neurosis.
Have you noticed any other men smelling? I have smelled the B.O. of men after a physical workout, you know, the locker room smell. But regular odor is different, not as rank. I will be the first to admit that I can smell quite strongly sometimes... especially if there are attractive ladies around (that seems to kick my scents into high gear). But I do not smell like I've been living in a trash heap.
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Your smell probably confuses her on some sexual/power level. Something is off kilt and she doesn't understand what is happening (ie female giving orders to an alpha male) and the primitve part of her brain is not handling it. She wants an alpha to take charge so she can relax, be happy and go back to being feminine.
Alphas do smell more
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BTW what is a S.O.?
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BTW what is a S.O.?
Significant other. To find out these things type e.g. 'S.O Urban Dic' into google and open the 'Urban Dictionary' link.
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My boss buys me deodorant, perhaps alphas don't like the smell of other alphas(it challenges their authority on some primitive subconscious level)
The masses of laborers were basically conditioned to conform to mandatory deodorizing. Many betas are in charge of alphas on the production lines and they need to cull off the pheromones in order to keep order in the Ranks(if you know what I mean)
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Significant other. To find out these things type e.g. 'S.O Urban' into google and open the 'Urban Dictionary' link.
Yeah but that was easier shit that was quick!
Another thing, if a girl starts acting crazy around you it nearly always means they are extremely attracted to you.
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Your smell probably confuses her on some sexual/power level. Something is off kilt and she doesn't understand what is happening (ie female giving orders to an alpha male) and the primitve part of her brain is not handling it. She wants an alpha to take charge so she can relax, be happy and go back to being feminine.
Alphas do smell more
I have spent a lot of time psychoanalyzing her with my friends and that is our conclusion, more or less. She doesn't know how to handle the smell, it is like a pheromone.
I don't really like girlfriend or S.O. or life partner. I suppose S.O. is the one that bothers me the least.
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My boss buys me deodorant, perhaps alphas don't like the smell of other alphas(it challenges their authority on some primitive subconscious level)
The masses of laborers were basically conditioned to conform to mandatory deodorizing. Many betas are in charge of alphas on the production lines and they need to cull off the pheromones in order to keep order in the Ranks(if you know what I mean)
My boss is a female. She is very alpha though.
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I have spent a lot of time psychoanalyzing her with my friends and that is our conclusion, more or less. She doesn't know how to handle the smell, it is like a pheromone.
I don't really like girlfriend or S.O. or life partner. I suppose S.O. is the one that bothers me the least.
I prefer working for men unfortunatley my current and last boss are/were Beta males. My former bosses wife threatened to punch me.
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My boss is a female. She is very alpha though.
and hates it. These women are the least happy.
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I prefer working for men unfortunatley my current and last boss are/were Beta males. My former bosses wife threatened to punch me.
Unfortunately there is no polite way to tell someone to seek a qualified therapist, I think an alcoholic-type intervention might be the only way to go. By that time though a person is so far gone that they might be causing real damage with their anger problems.
My boss only hires young beta type men and ugly women (attractive women she finds threatening, she is very closed and cold sexually). I was a beta man but I have been transforming into more of an alpha due to recent changes, eating more cooked meat (was vegan and vegetarian and pastatarian), then paleo and now raw paleo. I was never assertive my entire life until recently and no one knows how to handle it. I am not playing the role that my family and co-workers expect of me.
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....I was a beta man but I have been transforming into more of an alpha due to recent changes........I was never assertive my entire life until recently and no one knows how to handle it. I am not playing the role that my family and co-workers expect of me.
Ditto, People who take advantage of others don't like when you stop being a punk.
It may be a rocky road with them, for a while, but in the end I am sure you will surpass them in badassnessery.
Then you will find out who the secure/confident ones are in your life.
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Ditto, People who take advantage of others don't like when you stop being a punk.
That is a good way to put it. :)
It may be a rocky road with them, for a while, but in the end I am sure you will surpass them in badassnessery.
Then you will find out who the secure/confident ones are in your life.
I am moving past the "wow guys isn't this awesome" stage towards more quiet and confident. I am cultivating a certain humility, so I think some people will be happier when I am less vocal. Like others here have pointed out, the results speak for themselves.
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Quiet confidence is an extremely attractive quality.
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That is a good way to put it. :)
I am moving past the "wow guys isn't this awesome" stage towards more quiet and confident. I am cultivating a certain humility, so I think some people will be happier when I am less vocal. Like others here have pointed out, the results speak for themselves.
My health and physhical/masculine vitality has increased so much that at first I felt full of hubris, and yet I could never get across verbaly to others the source of my new vitality without being disconcreting,
so there does seem to be a path that many of us follow that begins with such attitudes as (why cant everyone appreciate how awesome I have become?) , and eventually leads to the stage of quiet confidence(I feel good and thats what is really important, attitude).
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and hates it. These women are the least happy.
Why do you think so?
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I'm asking because alpha women do indeed appear to be unhappy a lot of times, but that's because they face their problems instead of living in a fantasy world. They have the balls and the drive to overcome any problem and get out of any slump so they can be happy. I have observed this a few times.
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I'm asking because alpha women do indeed appear to be unhappy a lot of times, but that's because they face their problems instead of living in a fantasy world. They have the balls and the drive to overcome any problem and get out of any slump so they can be happy. I have observed this a few times.
See there's the contradiction.
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Yet the net results is that they're happy and real.
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what is an alpha male anyway? you squat 500, have at least 10 people under you, drive a Lamborghini and bang women of races and creeds?
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there was that awful article posting from some raw vegan woman awhile back on how paleo eaters could become more attractive but due to karma or whatever - repel things from their lives. The ideas in it were *ahem* dodgy but the observations might actually be right. I don't know if I agree that pheromones are the only component but I believe getting into this life you arn't going to mesh with every kind of person. It doesn't seem matter if your testosterone is high or low or how much or how little or any meat you eat. Most people don't seem to want to deal with stuff that is off their radar..and many people are more perceptive than you think particularly if there in some kind of awkward "superiority" vibe. Some types of people have a larger capacity for this kind of lifestyle stuff and might even be interested...but these people are rare.
I do ascribe to some of the new-age stuff on this. If you you are running into conflicts with some person. generally speaking..your looking to have some kind of problem with them. If one is 100% sure about what theyre doing...there isn't anything to defend or rationalize.
On a technical level, although animals seem to stink, they don't quite smell as bad as a toxic off-gassing human. Most people on most diets are going to be letting stuff go of crap through the skin. If you don't bathe regularly..stuff just absorbs right back in just like the reasons for avoiding chemicals in the first place. I don't seem to require deodorant...but certainly if I was with people who mentioned I stink I would probably consider it...I mean if I asked someone not to wear massive amounts of perfume I'd hope they would comply to my request. Seems fair. Can't expect the world to bend to every little 'requirement' of whats most natural and healthy.
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Yet the net results is that they're happy and real.
Lucky for them, I just don't don't see it or believe it.
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Most women out there are extremely unhappy. Part of it has to do with the majority of modern males being weak spineless creatures. What makes them really happy is being in the presence of a strong man who can open them up sexually. A woman's capacity to experience pleasure can be out of this world. Sadly most will never experience this.
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Most women out there are extremely unhappy. Part of it has to do with the majority of modern males being weak spineless creatures. What makes them really happy is being in the presence of a strong man who can open them up sexually. A woman's capacity to experience pleasure can be out of this world. Sadly most will never experience this.
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Much of this discussion seems to ring true , but I am often conflicted to how a beginners mind would handle such truths, I was raised believing that such people with sentiments as the quote above are seen by modern society as male pigs, and had suppressed my own beliefs on the subject for most of my life.
My father was a hound dog and mother was a prostitute, but they repressed it to the point were you think they were prudes if you met them in public. I wonder if perhaps there isn't some greater social utility that makes such sexual repressions necessary. Its fun to think about how wonderful complete liberation would be(a brave new world), but until it becomes reality, all our Ideals are just fantasy, although its fun to entertain such thoughts anyway. Sexual freedom might not be as enjoyable as one could imagine.
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Much of this discussion seems to ring true , but I am often conflicted to how a beginners mind would handle such truths, I was raised believing that such people with sentiments as the quote above are seen by modern society as male pigs, and had suppressed my own beliefs on the subject for most of my life.
My father was a hound dog and mother was a prostitute, but they repressed it to the point were you think they were prudes if you met them in public. I wonder if perhaps there isn't some greater social utility that makes such sexual repressions necessary. Its fun to think about how wonderful complete liberation would be(a brave new world), but until it becomes reality, all our Ideals are just fantasy, although its fun to entertain such thoughts anyway. Sexual freedom might not be as enjoyable as one could imagine.
Sabertooth, couldnt agree more, and the ultimate philosophical question about a society like that is, would we be happy with having every pleasure we could imagine? everything we want? would the lack of accomplishment through hard work and struggle actually depress us, and make us feel less complete? Would we get into a paradigm where we could never feel complete and always want more more more? Could we ever feel any personal pride or success?
One final note is, for some (including me) sex without compassion often leaves some feeling empty and lonely. The desire to have a single compassionate and caring partner, while also having a strong sexual component with that partner is of utmost importance to some people. The joy of having a lifelong partner who you know will always be there for you is a great thing. For people who would rather be monogomous, this society would not work.
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what is an alpha male anyway? you squat 500, have at least 10 people under you, drive a Lamborghini and bang women of races and creeds?
It's a confidence and self-assurance thing. If you're a real alpha male (as opposed to the current "Alpha"s ridiculed in popular culture who are really betas) you don't need to flaunt dominance over others.
-If you squat 500 I feel you're likely to be doing it to build up your self-image and are unlikely to be a true alpha.
-Number of workers under you may or may not mean a thing. Alphas are leaders but plenty of other personalities end up in management positions.
-99% of Lambos (and other supercars) are purchased for the material attachment and subsequent boost to perceived worth. The guys who buy them and push them to the limits are the ones likely to be alphas.
-Quantities of sexual partners is not indicative of an alpha. Ladies do love confidence but by the same token it's just as easy to be an alpha and monogamous.
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It's a confidence and self-assurance thing. If you're a real alpha male (as opposed to the current "Alpha"s ridiculed in popular culture who are really betas) you don't need to flaunt dominance over others.
-If you squat 500 I feel you're likely to be doing it to build up your self-image and are unlikely to be a true alpha.
-Number of workers under you may or may not mean a thing. Alphas are leaders but plenty of other personalities end up in management positions.
-99% of Lambos (and other supercars) are purchased for the material attachment and subsequent boost to perceived worth. The guys who buy them and push them to the limits are the ones likely to be alphas.
-Quantities of sexual partners is not indicative of an alpha. Ladies do love confidence but by the same token it's just as easy to be an alpha and monogamous.
yeah, that was sort of my point. Even the idea that there are 'alpha-males' or social competitions in our society (pulled from tribes or animals) is basically just an observation from a particular viewpoint that we already believe and want to enforce. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me to be critical of society (from some 'paleo' perspective) and then latch on to these same kind of conventions.
Similarly to say then that females can't be alphas (having a set 20th century material view of such)...is really actually to go against this same logic they are supporting, because certainly females in nature exert plenty of authority over their male counterparts depending on the species, although undeniably always 'staying at home' during child-rearing...
I've never really heard the expression be distilled only to confidence. I mean plenty of people with no abilites or status or even sanity are confident. It seems almost by definition it has to do with rank within a group.
I guess the point -to me- is when someone says 'alpha-male' they actually are talking about some type of dominance, showmanship or success in the material world or the 'friend' who takes charge of the pack through ridicule and suppression of others - and has basically nothing to do with the actual quality or integrity of a person.
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Its all about relative perception... just as the female pea cock perceives the male with the most impressive display as the alpha, us humans use other criteria for forming the alpha archetype. Some traits are more universally accepted, and others are more ambiguous, while some are just out right weird. Its kind of like a game - those who can play the role of the alpha and be convincing enough to land a mate are the winners (all is fair in love and war)
Its funny how the same natural tendency's of humans relate to what I have witnessed on the meerkat manor show. Flower was the Alpha, and her mate was always on the prowl for other tail with his wing kat Romeo. Then there was the wayward daughter who got knocked up and was shunned from the group. If you follow the whole drama, you can see its just ironic how the love life of lower animals can so closely mirror that of humans.
BTW my wife sure does miss that Sexy KD avatar :-*
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Alpha male is the guy who gets/or could get all the women (if monogamous). That's the only measure of Alpha. Could be unemployed, unattractive, have to catch the bus but if he can score with the ladies he is alpha.
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Its all about relative perception... just as the female pea cock perceives the male with the most impressive display as the alpha, us humans use other criteria for forming the alpha archetype. Some traits are more universally accepted, and others are more ambiguous, while some are just out right weird. Its kind of like a game - those who can play the role of the alpha and be convincing enough to land a mate are the winners (all is fair in love and war)
Its funny how the same natural tendency's of humans relate to what I have witnessed on the meerkat manor show. Flower was the Alpha, and her mate was always on the prowl for other tail with his wing kat Romeo. Then there was the wayward daughter who got knocked up and was shunned from the group. If you follow the whole drama, you can see its just ironic how the love life of lower animals can so closely mirror that of humans.
BTW my wife sure does miss that Sexy KD avatar :-*
hehe, which one?
Alpha male is the guy who gets/or could get all the women (if monogamous). That's the only measure of Alpha. Could be unemployed, unattractive, have to catch the bus but if he can score with the ladies he is alpha.
yeah, I honestly don't know what people mean when they use that term from the perspective of this kind of lifestyle. To me alpha definitely implies someone who will dominate every situation (depending on their environment). If they move to another environment with another social circle, they will have to prove themselves (or just impress) in some way to that other environment or cease to remain alphas. In that respect I can see that being similar to nature.
you could have someone who is a local rock star or captain of the football team and they go off to college and just become drunks or whatever because no one cares..someone else is better looking, stronger, more attractive or more talented or whatever other undefinable manly qualties. You might have a dog at home thats king of the castle..and gets his ass kicked at the park or whatever.
So yeah, likely this is the same as the "man that men respect and women want to be with", but I'm not sure if that corresponds with the most decent person. Being a humble person that is confident and exerts power when appropriate seems like the (or a ) thing to do, but likely this isn't going to be the same as the most financially successful or the biggest playa' or - forgive me - the alpha male. To me these two types of people are quite different, although I can see that one can be seen as having alpha qualities when they don't have this or that other types of success.
I mean, what Dan is getting at seems to be on point with the kind of qualities perhaps a decent person (woman) might be interested in. but what does that have to do with reality? :'(
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anyway, back on topic my sex drive is still off the charts (but under control) after a long period of time..and I don't seem to be dieing from excitotoxins or whatever...so i'll toss that theory back to the veg folks.
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hehe, which one?
I think it was mainly that last one you just took down,
She stalks through your post when I am a sleep. She may be turned on by your rival status as an up in coming paleo dynamo. Those brief skirmishes we used to get into must have roused some primal interest within her feminine soul.
Good thing for me I keep her locked up, and tied down with offspring.
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She stalks through your post when I am a sleep. She may be turned on by your rival status as an up in coming paleo dynamo. Those brief skirmishes we used to get into must have roused some primal interest within her feminine soul.
hah!
Its the shellfish, I've been exuding aphrodisiac through cyberspace!
I don't like to make sweeping statements in regards to such things, but I'm sure many women deep down do want to see men pummel each other over them.
Good thing for me I keep her locked up, and tied down with offspring.
well, one of these days she's going to find her shoes.
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hah!
well, one of these days she's going to find her shoes.
I have worked hard these past 5 years keeping her barefoot and pregnant. But the time has come where she is threatening contraception which worries me, not because it prevents pregnancy, but because when she is not pregnant she goes into insatiable heat every ovulation cycle in which I cant keep up with her energy (honestly). When she is fertile there is no way to hold her back. This is why she stays pregnant. With the use of birth control, I would have no idea how it would effect the relationship (new territory).
So the days of constant pregnancy may have to come to an end, and I may have to keep up my guard as to corral her veracious appetite. I will still try to do my best keep her bare foot, even if I don't chain her to the stove, so as to follow the proud Kentucky tradition. Women folk cant run off with Casanova if they don't have shoes and are weighed down with a baby at the breast (yea haw). ;D
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I sense a lot of insecurity in this thread. Success with women is not the only measure of an alpha-male. A very good looking guy with average intelligence and ok social skills can get most women in bed and possess none of qualities of an alpha-male. From my observations, alpha-males (and females) do exist and have a bunch of uncommon qualities. They're fiercely independent and highly adaptable to new situations - they have no problems with abandoning comfort zones, relationships, and outdated frames of references. They have balls, intelligence, great intuition. They're not afraid to hurt others' feelings and don't seek approval. Social, financial, sexual successes are automatic results of their mindset. In other words, they don't necessarily try to get wealth, sex, or recognition, but good things come to them anyway as they're ALWAYS open to new experiences and opportunities. Dominance of social situations is the inevitable outcome of who they are. They do not display the kind of insecurity shown by people who actively try to get attention. They do not try to prove anything. They have little or no prejudice. Oftentimes, I think, alpha humans are pretty lonely as there are very few people around who operate on the same psychological level...so the opportunities for meaningful relationships and real intimacy are slim to none.
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For me, Alpha male is he who gets to impregnate the most women, spreads his genes the most. Typical of those men who keep harems.
Any man in my culture who has enough money and health can get several wives and be alpha male.
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They're fiercely independent and highly adaptable to new situations - they have no problems with abandoning comfort zones, relationships, and outdated frames of references. They have balls, intelligence, great intuition. They're not afraid to hurt others' feelings and don't seek approval. Social, financial, sexual successes are automatic results of their mindset. In other words, they don't necessarily try to get wealth, sex, or recognition, but good things come to them anyway as they're ALWAYS open to new experiences and opportunities. Dominance of social situations is the inevitable outcome of who they are...They do not try to prove anything.
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For me, Alpha male is he who gets to impregnate the most women...
This happens here too. They are called Mormons.
They have woman farms where they fatten them up.
For me, I'd rather impregnate an awesome woman, multiple times.
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Alpha males usually have high T!!
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For me, I'd rather impregnate an awesome woman, multiple times.
Thats my goal. Finding someone who will actually raise a large family of siblings who share both parents is truly a worth while thing. Our society has been overrun by a bastard mentality and it shows. I found someone who seems to mix well on a genetically and she understands me on a level that most others could never. She is awesome on many levels and I will stay devoted to her regardless of my insecurities of a bastard heritage
I know many people don't believe in spiritual color coordination, but from a test we took, it showed that I am an Indigo and she is a crystal, which is a harmonious blend. Together we are raising a new generation of Rainbow children. The diagnosis of indigo was given to me by an Indian witch doctor long before I met my woman, and although much of the new age philosophic gibberish is baloney, I do think there is truth to the basic spirit essence, even if there is no absolute universally agreed upon system to categorize everyone. My children are Rainbows through and through , and their spirit will be a blessing to this earth.
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For me, I'd rather impregnate an awesome woman, multiple times.
How many awesome women wish to have more than 1 or 2 kids nowadays?
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haha wtf? You guys are saying some weird shit.
I think you are just calling people with self-confidence 'alpha males', and insecure people the 'betas' and from some of the comments here, you are insecure, even if you put up a false bravado, its still fear and insecurity fueling it.
If you look at your feet, or cant make eye-contact with somebody, you're insecure and its not attractive.
Its got nothing to do with how many chicks you bang, or how many people you step on in business.. You get your self confidence from 'doing stuff'. You learn skills and 'real' things that you can actually 'do' and you will boost your confidence, because you are more sure of yourself.
What i am trying to say is that 'alpha' has nothing to do with your testosterone or diet or whatever crap you're trying to chalk it up to. Its all about your mentality and how you think and approach things. If you're flaky and cant stay calm in a stressful situation, you're not an 'alpha' etc.
But heres the thing.. it doesnt even matter, if you're not getting chicks its not your pheramones or testosterone, its probably just your social skills.
I think the world has enough people already, and as awesome as you think your genetics are and what a boon to the world your offspring will be.. they're not, they're just even more mouths to feed and add to the already overpopulated world. I think people should only have one child that you put everything into, that would be a responsible thing to do, i would think.
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I think people should only have one child that you put everything into, that would be a responsible thing to do, i would think.
That's your view.
Absolute no no from my point of view.
Me and my descendants deserve to procreate.
This gift of raw paleo health needs to be used.
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haha wtf? You guys are saying some weird shit.
I think you are just calling people with self-confidence 'alpha males', and insecure people the 'betas' and from some of the comments here, you are insecure, even if you put up a false bravado, its still fear and insecurity fueling it.
If you look at your feet, or cant make eye-contact with somebody, you're insecure and its not attractive.
Its got nothing to do with how many chicks you bang, or how many people you step on in business.. You get your self confidence from 'doing stuff'. You learn skills and 'real' things that you can actually 'do' and you will boost your confidence, because you are more sure of yourself.
What i am trying to say is that 'alpha' has nothing to do with your testosterone or diet or whatever crap you're trying to chalk it up to. Its all about your mentality and how you think and approach things. If you're flaky and cant stay calm in a stressful situation, you're not an 'alpha' etc.
But heres the thing.. it doesnt even matter, if you're not getting chicks its not your pheramones or testosterone, its probably just your social skills.
I think the world has enough people already, and as awesome as you think your genetics are and what a boon to the world your offspring will be.. they're not, they're just even more mouths to feed and add to the already overpopulated world. I think people should only have one child that you put everything into, that would be a responsible thing to do, i would think.
Would you say that to someone's face? That's a pretty bold, sweeping statement to make. And I would imagine if no one's offspring would be any kind of "a boon to the world" then you personally have no plans/desire to just add "more mouths to feed" to this oh so overpopulated world, correct? Because from your point of view, it would only be selfish and pointless from what I gather.
Are you an only child yourself? Out of pure curiosity, of course. :)
What do you think about places like Japan? http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/ed20100115a2.html (http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/ed20100115a2.html)
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110101/ap_on_re_as/as_japan_population (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110101/ap_on_re_as/as_japan_population)
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I think people should only have one child that you put everything into
i think people should have as many children as they want if they can take good care for all of them. if i have 1000 acres farm your idea of one child would not cut it for me. if you feel you only want one child, then good for you. restricting families to one child has been a disaster for many in china. it is true that it curbed population growth but at the expense of many unhappy parents and huge gender disproportion.
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from a test we took, it showed that I am an Indigo and she is a crystal, which is a harmonious blend.
You should go back in a disguise and see if you get the same result.
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I sense a lot of insecurity in this thread. Success with women is not the only measure of an alpha-male. A very good looking guy with average intelligence and ok social skills can get most women in bed and possess none of qualities of an alpha-male. From my observations, alpha-males (and females) do exist and have a bunch of uncommon qualities. They're fiercely independent and highly adaptable to new situations - they have no problems with abandoning comfort zones, relationships, and outdated frames of references. They have balls, intelligence, great intuition. They're not afraid to hurt others' feelings and don't seek approval. Social, financial, sexual successes are automatic results of their mindset. In other words, they don't necessarily try to get wealth, sex, or recognition, but good things come to them anyway as they're ALWAYS open to new experiences and opportunities. Dominance of social situations is the inevitable outcome of who they are. They do not display the kind of insecurity shown by people who actively try to get attention. They do not try to prove anything. They have little or no prejudice. Oftentimes, I think, alpha humans are pretty lonely as there are very few people around who operate on the same psychological level...so the opportunities for meaningful relationships and real intimacy are slim to none.
All those traits you mentioned above are vagina magnets.
I would consider an Alpha female to be model looks, feminine, nice and not too intelligent. None of what you listed above.
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Number 7 is the most important though.
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Yeah, that was a bold sweeping comment and it wasnt meant personally or to be taken as a literal truth. Its just my sense of humor, how everyone thinks they're a perfect specimen producing flawless offspring haha. (or mabye you still wont find that funny... im not talking about *YOU PERSONALLY*, i am being general.)
When you use withdrawl method coupled with condoms, you're pretty serious about not having children.
I have two siblings, younger and older.
I dont see if you were having a child for the 'right' reasons, that you would be 'unhappy' with it.. mabye i would have to have a child myself before i understood the disapointment that your first might bring, where you might get luckier on your second and they wont shame you as much.... haha.
But seriously... could you imagine what would happen if your entire town started eating a paleo diet? You would soon realize what i mean when i say that your diet is a privilege. You and your family can eat 10 pounds of animal product a day because other families are living off of grain. There is not enough quality food to go around, so if we already have a problem (what is it, 1/4 of the worlds population is malnurished?) and you guys on here are saying everybody should go ahead and have 4 children (and in 20 years those 4 children have the 'right' to have another 4 kids... etc..) what are you thinking? unless you're not, and you're just thinking about yourselves and your own families and aren't thinking about the big picture (which you are a part of)..
But then again, you're just being PALEO right? Every small tribe for themselves.....
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I think the world has enough people already, and as awesome as you think your genetics are and what a boon to the world your offspring will be.. they're not, they're just even more mouths to feed and add to the already overpopulated world. I think people should only have one child that you put everything into, that would be a responsible thing to do, i would think.
Classic anti life agenda, prob pro abortion and contraception as well. So many people nowadays are just like you, so faaarrr out on the left wing, thinking that the population should be controlled. If you don't like it, get the fuck off the planet and take some "responsibility" (according to you). As for the rest of us, we'd rather enjoy heterosexual sex that actually feels good and have the ability to procreate and produce successful offspring.
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Yeah, that was a bold sweeping comment and it wasnt meant personally or to be taken as a literal truth. Its just my sense of humor, how everyone thinks they're a perfect specimen producing flawless offspring haha. (or mabye you still wont find that funny... im not talking about *YOU PERSONALLY*, i am being general.)
When you use withdrawl method coupled with condoms, you're pretty serious about not having children.
I have two siblings, younger and older.
I dont see if you were having a child for the 'right' reasons, that you would be 'unhappy' with it.. mabye i would have to have a child myself before i understood the disapointment that your first might bring, where you might get luckier on your second and they wont shame you as much.... haha.
But seriously... could you imagine what would happen if your entire town started eating a paleo diet? You would soon realize what i mean when i say that your diet is a privilege. You and your family can eat 10 pounds of animal product a day because other families are living off of grain. There is not enough quality food to go around, so if we already have a problem (what is it, 1/4 of the worlds population is malnurished?) and you guys on here are saying everybody should go ahead and have 4 children (and in 20 years those 4 children have the 'right' to have another 4 kids... etc..) what are you thinking? unless you're not, and you're just thinking about yourselves and your own families and aren't thinking about the big picture (which you are a part of)..
But then again, you're just being PALEO right? Every small tribe for themselves.....
You make a valid point and no, we are not stupid idiots who do not look at the big picture. Sure, people eat grain, which makes more meat available to us, but if you think that we couldnt possibly supply all of the humans on this planet with plenty of meat every day you are highly mistaken. This is just another fallacy purported by those who think that meat is bad for you. When you say we could not possibly have everyone on the planet eating meat, what exactly do you mean? When you make a claim, you need to explain yourself fully. If you mean that we do not have enough natural resources and space to have everybody eating meat, well I just have to laugh at you. We can fit everyone on the planet in texas and still have plenty of living space. Area of Texas is 268,581 square miles. Assuming 6-7 billion people, that's 22,340 per square mile; this means each person gets 1248 square feet, which is about the size of a respectable apartment. Even if we had a ratio of 1:10 grassfed eating cattle to people, we could still fit plenty of animals for humans to eat at least 2lbs of meat per day.
You ask us what we are thinking, well to be quite honest, OURSELVES. The current notion in contemporary society of especially higher income nations is that we need to think about everybody else, even though 85% of the globe consists of lower income nations that are poor. Anybody that lives their life making accommodations for everybody else is not a true human, but an accommodator. If you want to be healthy, you better damn well start thinking about yourself and your family and eat plenty of meat, rather than thinking about "everybody else." Who cares about everybody else, care about yourself. Everybody else is still going to be miserable either way.
One of the biggest problems in health today is the lack of recognition and application of self help. Everybody is so concerned about the environment and what is politically correct.
To bring this argument about alpha males and alpha females home, is that alpha males/ females get what they want, period. They rarely make accommodations for others, others make accommodations for them. If they dont like a job, they find a better one. If they are not in a good relationship, they move on. I guess being an alpha male today means not being a pussy like everybody else who conforms to the masses. Alpha people do things the way they like to do it, thats it. No its not about squatting 500 or getting all of the ladies. To be alpha is to get what you set your sights on.
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I live in the trenches of a biological cesspool of pollution and malnutrition. It is every tribe for itself where I live. The waste land is full of millions upon millions of biologically damaged people who are spawning biologically damaged offspring, and in this context, sure a one child policy seems the only sane option for such a sick world.
But there are still scattered clans of people who still have their humanity intact, and are able to raise large families of healthy life lovers. These are the people I wish to speak for and will focus my limited energy's to assist. The affairs of the masses of downtrodden and doomed are just to much for anyone to help on the large scale, All I can hope for is to be able can save a small tribe of kinsmen and friends, and try to help them live a good life.
The whole idea of restricting breeding to attain some austere ideal of conservation sounds wack to me personalty. Human life is so short and our current species will never last the next million years so why not breed until our hearts content and let the next another generation have a chance to take life as it comes and deal with the good the bad and the ugly. This whole world will one day die and the sun will burn out. Our kind will come to an end one way or another and catastrophe is always looming, but I am alive now and so are my children and that's precious.
I live surrounded by open pastures, sure it may not be possible to maintain the millions of city dwellers the paleo foods that would protect them from further degeneration, but that shouldn't keep those of us who have discovered the secret from breeding like rabbits and eating off the fat of the land until the kingdom come. There is plenty of room out there for paleo expansion, even though I acknowledge that its expansion cant last exponentially, I will declare that such ideas of overpopulation are exaggerated and if technology was used to it fullest extent there could be ways developed that could feed over 100 billion people traditional meat rich diets without destroying the world.
The big picture will never be something that no individual can attain, it isn't real, I often believe that many such big picture schemes, such as saving the earth by having less kids, are not somehow hatched from the delusional minds.
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Yeah, that was a bold sweeping comment and it wasnt meant personally or to be taken as a literal truth. Its just my sense of humor, how everyone thinks they're a perfect specimen producing flawless offspring haha. (or mabye you still wont find that funny... im not talking about *YOU PERSONALLY*, i am being general.)
When you use withdrawl method coupled with condoms, you're pretty serious about not having children.
I have two siblings, younger and older.
I dont see if you were having a child for the 'right' reasons, that you would be 'unhappy' with it.. mabye i would have to have a child myself before i understood the disapointment that your first might bring, where you might get luckier on your second and they wont shame you as much.... haha.
But seriously... could you imagine what would happen if your entire town started eating a paleo diet? You would soon realize what i mean when i say that your diet is a privilege. You and your family can eat 10 pounds of animal product a day because other families are living off of grain. There is not enough quality food to go around, so if we already have a problem (what is it, 1/4 of the worlds population is malnurished?) and you guys on here are saying everybody should go ahead and have 4 children (and in 20 years those 4 children have the 'right' to have another 4 kids... etc..) what are you thinking? unless you're not, and you're just thinking about yourselves and your own families and aren't thinking about the big picture (which you are a part of)..
But then again, you're just being PALEO right? Every small tribe for themselves.....
What is it with this anti-reproduction, anti-human-life, anti-meat dribble?
The very first child I had, my first born, first time in my arms, the first thought that came to my mind was:
"This is so GREAT, I want to have MORE OF THESE!"
My in laws were already in the USA and thought of staying in the USA, but after 1 child they found that raising children was HARD (in the city they were in) so they migrated BACK to Manila because they wanted MORE children... they eventually had 8 children... because they WANTED TO.
The fact that this forum is open publicly is because we wish to save people from a life of misery and have them live their lives to the fullest. Most of us owe our very lives to the sharing of others who went on raw paleo diet before us and chose to SHARE their knowledge.
Are you saying we should shut out the public from reading this forum and stop sharing our success because more people may catch on and the world cannot afford to make more people healthy? So maybe we should all stop sharing our thoughts because our raw paleo diet and lifestyle is DANGEROUS because being truly healthy is "expensive"? I gather being a "normal" sickly human being is more expensive... plus the "normal" sickly human being has sick ideas owing to a sick mind and sick body.
Disclosure: Even before I got into raw paleo diet I was already Pro-Life (admin at www.prolife.org.ph ) and Pro-Natal ( www.pronatal.org ) and teach how to overcome Fertility ( www.fertilityhelp.net ) and heal people of incurable diseases ( www.curemanual.com ). With Raw Paleo diet... all the more success.
And we are off topic with this P.C. drivel.
Topic is sex drive on raw diet.
I do not apologize for having a high sex drive on a raw paleo diet. High sex drive is normal for healthy people. I do not apologize for the men i've helped cure of erectile dysfunction. What they do with their health is their own business.
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Would like to share a meeting with a customer yesterday.
Geriatric sex is real.
He's 69 years old and needs sex several times a week.
And his 72 year old wife is his main squeeze... and she's still naturally lubricated.
He lives in the USA and takes his daily herbalife shake.
He's a cooked food eater.
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High sex drive is great and something to be desired but I agree that it would be very irresponsible to continue having 5+ kids like many families(usually the poor ones which is even more stupid) do. China is notoriously bad with human rights, but their limiting children to 1 or 2 per family is a good thing IMO.
The majority of the population lives off cultivation, not meat, and already we're making many fish and animal species extinct. We're destroying our forests, polluting our oceans and waterways, and damaging many other parts of our natural environment - both because of our population boom and our irresponsible resource management due to our outdated money system.
I'm not anti-human life in anyway. I am anti-human suffering. It's simple deduction that if we lowered the population numbers it would be easier to provide for everyone and end ALL human and much animal suffering(the massive corporation owned animal feed lots that it takes to feed so many humans all breed animal cruelty).
http://www.youtube.com/user/jacquefresco#p/c/29EFE596FE4CD389
http://www.thevenusproject.com/
http://zeitgeistmovie.com/
http://www.youtube.com/user/TZMOfficialChannel
http://thezeitgeistmovement.com/
http://www.youtube.com/user/zeitgeistmovie
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You see Max?
This thread is about US raw paleo dieters having wonderful sex drives.
So we get this P.C. brigade telling us raw paleo dieters to tone down on OUR sex drives because our health and our fertility might make lots of babies.
Hell, they are OUR babies, not yours. Our responsibility, not yours.
And this is my sexuality, not yours.
You do what you want with your sexuality and I'll do what I want with mine.
Meaning, the Contraception HIGH PRIESTS should butt out of our natural heterosexual reproductive satisfying healthy sex lives. I don't buy the religion of contraception one bit.
The entire sick human population can commit demographic hara kiri for all I care, in the mean time, some of us here in RPD and our descendants will have to inherit the planet.
We are one tiny forum. I doubt the whole world will want to go raw paleo diet overnight.
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All those traits you mentioned above are vagina magnets.
I would consider an Alpha female to be model looks, feminine, nice and not too intelligent. None of what you listed above.
I think you're talking about a hot girl who navigates the world via her looks and vagina? Alpha females are usually attractive in an average (not supermodel) kind of way. I disagree with you about intelligence - stupidity is not an option for highly functional individuals. They're feminine and outwardly nice although they have the reputation for being bitchy and uncaring. This is a result of them having a very conscious mind and huge personal power. Average men and women find this intimating, hence the "bitch" reputation. The truth is, an alpha female has a huge capacity to love and care, but she won't give that to just anyone - it has to be deserved. Since there aren't many deserving individuals around, the alpha female finds herself lonely despite having many friends and admirers.
Have you read The Fountain by Ayn Rand? My description above pretty much sums up the characters of Dominique Francone. Such women exist.
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Dima,
Check out http://aliasclio.blogspot.com/2008/07/heartbreakers-8-amazonian-alpha.html
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Referring to zeitgeist automatically makes you a socialist.
No thanks Max, we have parasites in DC to focus on before we try any new experiments.
There are a lot of valid points in the film, but central planning is what got us here in the first place.
Here is a link for anyone who was mesmerized by zeitgeist,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxjwBZjADiM
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Max, you speak of human suffering as if it is something that can be controlled. Human and animal suffering is a part of life. A zebra being mauled by a lion, thats suffering, a single mother with two jobs raising a family, that's suffering. Sure some suffering is bad, but others is absolutely great and it molds our characters. I would not be the man I am today if I did not suffer and overcome my own problems. Suffering gives us the ability to make our lives better, and have a sense of personal pride.
Your argument actually seems to contradict itself quite a bit and if you study philosophy, you will see that this whole population argument has already been put to rest. The reason is that if we went along with your purported views to lower the world population to a "stable" number, how long before people begin getting pissed and begin to suffer because they can only have a set number of kids. If I was told I could only have 2 kids to replace me and my wife, I would suffer as a result. You are missing a huge point that people suffer when they are told what to do. People want and should want to live their own lives and make their own decisions. Driving this point home, there will never be an end to all human suffering, and there really shouldnt be, suffering makes us human.
Also, if we lower the population by none other than murder, that would cause plenty of suffering. And if we did achieve a lower population by murder, how long till we have to murder people again and lower the population once more?
If you look at the current fertility rates, you will see that we already are a dying race. Our epigenetics are all screwed up and every generation gets worse and worse. Basically what effects you will effect your grand kids and so forth. Doris Rapp, the world's leading pediatrician studies soy formula and its effects on young infants. Soy formula and other estrogenic substances fed to babies are not only causing our young men to go into andropause earlier, but also making men homosexual. Japan needs over 100,000 in vitro fertilizations every year just to have kids. Other countries are just as bad. I live in the US and am well educated of the birth rate. The US birth rate is currently 1.9, which is not enough to replace ourselves. Combine this with the fact that 15-25% of these births were of illegal immigrants, and counted in studies as legal US citizens as per the 14th ammendment, you will see that we are in a birth rate/fertility shithole. Check out the information the CIA currently has on population, the birth rates of higher income nations are lowering. It seems that the higher income nations are in trouble and will be replaced by individuals from lower income nations.
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Im not telling you to have less sex or anything. If you're with a partner and condoms isnt necessary then you can always use the methods that my wife and i use, which is combining 'Family Planning' method with withdrawl and neem seed oil. You can still have a fulfilling sensual sex life while greatly increasing the odds of not conceiving.
But I dont actually expect people to expand their caring bubble outside of their own circles and i fully expect the world to run itself into the ground long before people realize they need to come together intellectually.
I think a lot of you dont get that you're still all part of 'the system'. You either get your food from it, or get your food from people who are a part of it. So once it starts going to shit and the prices go up, you're going to find yourselves hungry. No, other people arent going on raw paleo diets.. but as soon as they're having REAL trouble getting food, those hearts i buy for $1.50 a lb are going to be looking pretty good.
And Pioneer, a zebra being killed relatively quickly and eaten for food is NOT THE SAME kind of suffering that a single mother with two kids and six jobs has to go through. (because the zebra dies and cannot learn from it... haha)
Your thinking would mean that somebody who was locked in a cage and raped every day for 10 years is a better person because they had to 'suffer' more.. right? or is that not what you meant, and what you were really saying is that adversary and challenges builds character, mabye a little pain... but to say that the world has to SUFFER? what kind of sadistic shit is that? Better tell your kids to sleep outside in the rain because all that suffering they're going to do, they'll thank you for later.
I think you guys want to have your cake, and eat it too. You all go on about being true paleo and stuff, and fucking and breeding are paleo and since im a !!REAL ALHPA MALE!! i can do whatever the fuck i want to!! but dont realise you're not living in paleo times, and the rules have changed, and you cant just go and 'DO WHATEVER I WANT!' (because you're a badass alpha male) because you're fucking it all up. You neuter your dogs because they are hella paleo and 'do whatever the fuck they want' and can understand that an unchecked animal population is not a good idea, but fail to take a look at ourselves and mabye instead of having to cut our sex organs out, we could just.. you know.. be smart.
*i believe that 'alpha male' is not a real thing, its just an idea people have.. everyone here has a different idea of what makes an alpha male. I think it works if you're talking about packs of dogs... but humans aren't packs of dogs.
What im trying to say is that its not paleo times where there is small ammounts of people and a real danger of death where not everybody lived to old age, so in this day and age of around 7 billion people and medicine i dont think that its wise to be breeding great numbers of people. When you put a species into an enviroment where they have no natural predators they will overpopulate untill it crashes and nature sorts it all out for them (in usual brutal fashion).
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Im not telling you to have less sex or anything. If you're with a partner and condoms isnt necessary then you can always use the methods that my wife and i use, which is combining 'Family Planning' method with withdrawl and neem seed oil. You can still have a fulfilling sensual sex life while greatly increasing the odds of not conceiving.
But I dont actually expect people to expand their caring bubble outside of their own circles and i fully expect the world to run itself into the ground long before people realize they need to come together intellectually.
I think a lot of you dont get that you're still all part of 'the system'. You either get your food from it, or get your food from people who are a part of it. So once it starts going to shit and the prices go up, you're going to find yourselves hungry. No, other people arent going on raw paleo diets.. but as soon as they're having REAL trouble getting food, those hearts i buy for $1.50 a lb are going to be looking pretty good.
And Pioneer, a zebra being killed relatively quickly and eaten for food is NOT THE SAME kind of suffering that a single mother with two kids and six jobs has to go through. (because the zebra dies and cannot learn from its suffering... haha)
Your dumbass thinking would mean that somebody who was locked in a cage and raped every day for 10 years is a better person because they had to 'suffer' more.. right? or is that not what you meant, and what you were really saying is that adversary and challenges builds character, mabye a little pain... but to say that the world has to SUFFER? what kind of sadistic shit is that? Better tell your kids to sleep outside in the rain because all that suffering they're going to do, they'll thank you for later.
I think you guys want to have your cake, and eat it too. You all go on about being true paleo and stuff, and fucking and breeding are paleo and since im a !!REAL ALHPA MALE!! i can do whatever the fuck i want to!! but dont realise you're not living in paleo times, and the rules have changed, and you cant just go and 'DO WHATEVER I WANT!' (because you're a badass alpha male) because you're fucking it all up. You neuter your dogs because they are hella paleo and 'do whatever the fuck they want' and can understand that an unchecked animal population is not a good idea, but fail to take a look at ourselves and mabye instead of having to cut our sex organs out, we could just.. you know.. be smart.
Wow, I cant even comprehend what you are trying to say because, not only is your writing atrocious, but you are just mumbling shit for the sake of arguing and throwing some f words in there and alpha shit to seem cool. The way you are talking about yourself is not alpha. The alpha does not need to prove he is already alpha, the alpha already is alpha and is secure with himself. Going on forums behind your computer acting all macho and calling yourself alpha and such is only feeding into your own insecurities. None of us here know you and do not care about whether you are alpha or not.
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Oh and yeah, you're from canada, that explains a lot:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAYMJnO9LBQ
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well, luckily we are in the best of situations for everybody right now
restrictions on kids for all who choose to do so and are infulenced by such things and non-restrictions on those who chose to do so
Seems like the latter benefits quite well that way.
where I resonate with Neone is that there is indeed alot of posturing in this thread and elsewhere on basically what should amount to "food chat". Ironically one of the negative aspects of being alpha is the idea that "I get mine", or at least in my opinion it is negative.
I believe type-a is basically a derivative of "alpha". who strives to be type-a? Seems more like a curse than a pursuit. Alpha does not mean 'best', it means most dominating and likely - controlling. Dima pointed out some of the more accurate characteristics of alphas. Even though these people might be able to create wealth and power or work over a room socially it doesn't mean they lack insecurities, are the most settled with themselves or certainly the happiest. The modern movie star is like a perfect example of such. You can't go and say oh well the real alphas are this and that...because that isn't what that term means. It means basically if you were in some kind of abstract power struggle or battle over a female with Viggo Mortensen, you would likely lose.
The other thing is just an issue of what we know of genetics. I personally believe on a stretch that we can change our genetic expression through raw eating OVER TIME and likely mostly for ourselves only. This is unproven on a societal scale but its a valid belief. What makes little sense to me is that given the likelihood of coming to such a diet being based on poor genetics (in addition to habits of course)..why would one assume offspring wouldn't be heavily influenced by this same set of genetics...discounting being raised on (hopefully) better habits.
Anyway, I don't really care what people do as far as procreation as long as they arn't actually policy deciders! but it seems to me that such an attitudes can actually come across as very non paleo and actually very lock-and-key ownership style agrarian attitude to the world. This is blatant with Mormons and other folks who have come up in this kind of conversation. To believe that certain people have more of a right to this or that..particularly based on a diet..well thats pretty fricken weird.
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pioneer, actually what neone wrote was half decent(the jabs AT alpha males, were not...they are victims of the system to we must remember)
i do not think wanting to make more children is the most horrendous idea but i agree that over population is just another unsustainable practice...i mean honestly i am scared for the world I will live in in 10 years, do i really want to bring someone into that? is it possible for me to spend my energy shaping a world i would want to bring children into and raising a child and keeping healthful enough to continue being beneficial?? honestly i see a much more polluted and unhealthy life for children who are in their teen's right now, there is no way i would let a child of mine be influenced by any current popular culture, be it media, food, entertainment, education, medicine, even the internet. i do not see how the earth as a living organism will be able to continue to be a suitable environment for us humans in 10 years...i mean if you know anything about WHERE your meat comes from you would understand that the GRASS THE BEEF EATS and the SOIL IT GROWS IN IS UNDER ATTACK by corperations such as MONSANTO who want to destroy plant genetics and sterilize soil...i am not kidding you http://morphcity.com/home/94-monsanto-shifts-all-liability-to-farmers (http://morphcity.com/home/94-monsanto-shifts-all-liability-to-farmers) i mean these are honest concerns and i think they are very realistic for our times. i think these kind of conversations occur here because EVERYTHING is connected to everything else in some way on this planet.......
what i do know is that its best to be in control of ones mating urges regardless of marital status, financial status, health status, etc. and to always keep the future of yourself, your children, your communities and environment in mind because all of these elements influence who you are and how well your experience upon this earth is............
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The majority of the population lives off cultivation, not meat, and already we're making many fish and animal species extinct. We're destroying our forests, polluting our oceans and waterways, and damaging many other parts of our natural environment - both because of our population boom and our irresponsible resource management due to our outdated money system.
Who is we? If I am destroying my own forest, what is wrong with that? If someone is destroying someone else's forest, who is enabling that or preventing the owner from exercising their right to protect their forest?
I'm not anti-human life in anyway. I am anti-human suffering. It's simple deduction that if we lowered the population numbers it would be easier to provide for everyone and end ALL human and much animal suffering(the massive corporation owned animal feed lots that it takes to feed so many humans all breed animal cruelty).
With fewer humans there will be reduced labor and output and hence less being produced. Your statement makes no sense, it is not a solution even if the problem you are positing existed.
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pioneer, actually what neone wrote was half decent(the jabs AT alpha males, were not...they are victims of the system to we must remember)
i do not think wanting to make more children is the most horrendous idea but i agree that over population is just another unsustainable practice...i mean honestly i am scared for the world I will live in in 10 years, do i really want to bring someone into that? is it possible for me to spend my energy shaping a world i would want to bring children into and raising a child and keeping healthful enough to continue being beneficial?? i mean these are honest questions and i think they are very realistic for our times...i often worry that if i do not have children soon i will not be able to, but i would really like the world to be a much nicer future for them..i am not sure............what i do know is that its best to be in control of ones mating urges regardless of marital status, financial status, health status, etc. and to always keep the future of yourself, your children, your communities and environment in mind because all of these elements influence who you are and how well your experience upon this earth is............
Good points, and I like your enthusiasm, but remember the notion you are using is to not reproduce BECAUSE the world sucks; that somehow your kin will live worse off later because it sucks today. Times change. Remember the depression. Who would've wanted to have kids in that. For one, they couldnt afford them, and two, they thought their kids might grow up in a poor environment, but, they didnt. Times change, we adapt, things happen, and while I dont agree with some of neone's points I do agree that some kind of inevitable cataclysmic event will happen that will wipe out a good amount of our race. But my point is that right now we cannot do a damn thing about it so why not reproduce, and raise good kids. We could be having a debate about having a couple kids per family over here on the west side, while on the east side, they are pumping out 7 kids per family in Libya and Kenya. Its all bullshit. Just worry about yourself and live your life the way you want to live it. Dont get sucked into the ideas of those yuppy environmentalists that purport that sex is the problem.
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I think you guys want to have your cake, and eat it too. You all go on about being true paleo and stuff, and fucking and breeding are paleo and since im a !!REAL ALHPA MALE!! i can do whatever the fuck i want to!! but dont realise you're not living in paleo times, and the rules have changed, and you cant just go and 'DO WHATEVER I WANT!' (because you're a badass alpha male) because you're fucking it all up.
Don't you mean, "you may not do whatever you want"?? It is rather trivial that anyone can do whatever they want. You aren't making any sense here.
... i dont think that its wise to be breeding great numbers of people. When you put a species into an enviroment where they have no natural predators they will overpopulate untill it crashes and nature sorts it all out for them (in usual brutal fashion).
Who is in control of breeding? Are we part of an experiment? Your words are very confusing.
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Good points, and I like your enthusiasm, but remember the notion you are using is to not reproduce BECAUSE the world sucks; that somehow your kin will live worse off later because it sucks today. Times change. Remember the depression. Who would've wanted to have kids in that. For one, they couldnt afford them, and two, they thought their kids might grow up in a poor environment, but, they didnt. Times change, we adapt, things happen, and while I dont agree with some of neone's points I do agree that some kind of inevitable cataclysmic event will happen that will wipe out a good amount of our race. But my point is that right now we cannot do a damn thing about it so why not reproduce, and raise good kids. We could be having a debate about having a couple kids per family over here on the west side, while on the east side, they are pumping out 7 kids per family in Libya and Kenya. Its all bullshit. Just worry about yourself and live your life the way you want to live it. Dont get sucked into the ideas of those yuppy environmentalists that purport that sex is the problem.
the reason i am raw paleo is because i REALIZED AND HAVE SUFFERED FROM LIVING IN A POOR ENVIRONMENT, and it is by FAR healthier than the majority of the population of this earths..........i am not sure those in the depression hoped for that for their future generations. i think we live a very comfortable and blessed existence at all to have the time and means to able to question these things and wonder if it isnt our blessing to also realize that there may be something each of us can do about facing a really shitty future...like decide we want to do what we can to make it better. i mean that does sometimes work..you eat raw paleo because it makes you feel better, you feel healthier, you tell someone else about raw paleo, they feel better, they can, in turn, help someone else make a better choice(basically expending energy in productive BUT sustainable and beneficial manner)...if this were a continual and mutual cycle then !!!!!!!!!!!!! i am not sure if that is just too idealistic.....i also know that some people are going to have a shitty day REGARDLESS and that perhaps it is the course of the world right now to sit back and accept cataclysm as something that is supposed to occur as part of the natural cycle of the universe, and that also it is silly to put humans outside of the realm of being part of this natural "destructive" event(i mean if it is really just nature then in the end the destruction always brings new, perhaps different, life) but it is just strange to think that we have the capability to comprehend these concepts and actually CHOOSE to live at least in more harmony with our environment...i do see the possibility still of a beautiful lush sustainable world but it would take people having self-control, taking responsibility, making sacrifices and actually being informed, aware and healthy.... perhaps we are already too sick..perhaps we just need to endure the suffering again because we did not learn from it the first time...i am not sure
p.s. ha i love thomas jefferson and i just read the quote on your profile. thomas jefferson chose to die in debt, he knew he was living beyond his means and could not make enough money at his little nail factory to support his travel, horticulture, family, etc.....he KNEW he was living beyond his means...but he did not care, we have been not caring and not trying for a long while...but i guess it is the nature of events to rush hurriedly in a direction once the momentum has begun......
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Referring to zeitgeist automatically makes you a socialist.
No thanks Max, we have parasites in DC to focus on before we try any new experiments.
There are a lot of valid points in the film, but central planning is what got us here in the first place.
Here is a link for anyone who was mesmerized by zeitgeist,
"we have parasites in DC to focus on before we try any new experiments"
dude... it's never gonna change... 20% think the right are parasites, 20% think the left are parasites, 30% think they're all parasites... the rest don't bother at all... -- the problem is with the system and it needs a massive overhaul.
"Referring to zeitgeist automatically makes you a socialist"
I haven't visited any socialist countries to see how this stuff actually works. But all I hear from Americans is that socialism is EVIL, then all I read is that the socialist countries have the happiest people in the world...
"but central planning is what got us here in the first place"
what?!?!??????
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I didn't read the whole thread but neone, KD, and jessica seem to be the only non-blockheads. It's a waste of time discussing this with you other guys.
And btw, the restoring genetics/health thing with raw diet was prooven with cats, I'm sure it would work with humans as well.
EDIT: just read the whole thread. no difference.
"pottenger's cats" was the study I was referring to, and KD I was just agreeing with your statement:
"that we can change our genetic expression through raw eating OVER TIME"
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I didn't read the whole thread
:o. heh
And btw, the restoring genetics/health thing with raw diet was prooven with cats, I'm sure it would work with humans as well.
The potential over time for that is there, I was just saying that likely a few years on a raw diet will not drastically shift the genes passed on to the progeny. This is just my guess. Of course the mothers diet and general health of the people conceiving certainly should..but not so sure about the actual genetic inheritance. Either way, this idea that we have to out-breed the mutants or whatever doesn't vibe with me. Just sounds like Hasidim and Mormon twisted sh!t - gobbling up all the resources and telling people how it is and how they should live. Not to mention you hear this all the time from vegans and how life would be swank with more fruit or wheat plantations for the righteous and less meat eaters to stink up the planet.
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"but central planning is what got us here in the first place"
what?!?!??????
Central planning(socialism) is the insane idea that our problems are going to dissolve if we allow one group of people the right to do whatever is necessary to solve those problems. In order for that to work, the group of people must be more altruistic than any human is capable of. Good luck with that. Zeitgeist is attempting to use a system that doesn't work, to do things it has proven it can not. Slogans like "make everything free" are very compatible with a quote by PT Barnum "every second a sucker is born".
:o. heh
The potential over time for that is there, I was just saying that likely a few years on a raw diet will not drastically shift the genes passed on to the progeny. This is just my guess. Of course the mothers diet and general health of the people conceiving certainly should..but not so sure about the actual genetic inheritance. Either way, this idea that we have to out-breed the mutants or whatever doesn't vibe with me. Just sounds like Hasidim and Mormon twisted sh!t - gobbling up all the resources and telling people how it is and how they should live. Not to mention you hear this all the time from vegans and how life would be swank with more fruit or wheat plantations for the righteous and less meat eaters to stink up the planet.
The most important aspect of enhancing your lineage IMO would be the first years of your child's life. Adult's can only change so much.
Most of us were taken away from our mothers right after birth, many of us fed on bottles while our mothers worked, then weened off onto canned food. All the while being kept squeaky clean. I suspect things like this plays a huge role in not only social psychological development, but also physiological development of the brain. Not to worry though, a few generations of simply not going with the flow of conventional medicine will undoubtedly do great things. Easing back into nature is the best choice and the only choice IMO. Just try to get your city born girl to live and produce children in 100% natural environment, unless she is totally awesome(and foolish) she probably won't be down. It takes a village to raise a child anyway.
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Central planning(socialism) is the insane idea that our problems are going to dissolve if we allow one group of people the right to do whatever is necessary to solve those problems. In order for that to work, the group of people must be more altruistic than any human is capable of. Good luck with that. Zeitgeist is attempting to use a system that doesn't work, to do things it has proven it can not. Slogans like "make everything free" are very compatible with a quote by PT Barnum "every second a sucker is born".
No... that's not at all what zeitgeist/venus project is... there is no group of people that tells everyone what to do... venus project is much more like a scientifically/technologically advanced form of tribes.
If it ends up being necessary to have a smaller group of people making certain decisions then that group would be no different(except completely transparent, better designed, with no reasons for corruption) then current government assemblies.
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I haven't visited any socialist countries to see how this stuff actually works. But all I hear from Americans is that socialism is EVIL, then all I read is that the socialist countries have the happiest people in the world...
I think because they have no internal competition they are happy but become weak as a country, so they have to attack other countries to stay alive. That's why people see them as evil, but the people in them are happy.
Edit: I was talking about communism because that seemed to be what Max was talking about.
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I haven't visited any socialist countries to see how this stuff actually works.
Huh? Don't you live in the US??
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Its the same as it ever has been , once any civilization becomes too comfortable and complacent then they are besieged by Trojans that take over the infrastructure and begin to cannibalize the resources and eventually paradise gets lost.. It happens time and time again. Just as the peaceful, socialist earth loving tribes were slain by the barbarians and then lorded over by monarchs who offered them protection from the hoards.
The trend to curb the sex drive begins with the feudal lords not wanting their subjects to over breed to a point where their authority is challenged, by clans of high testosterone renegades(perhaps it goes back further in time, but just for illustration I will begin with there. These Ideas of overpopulation and sexual repression can be traced back before the days of robin hood. In the story the princess wore a chastity belt, and the young boy was chased down by the sheriffs dogs for killing a deer. In those days the tyrants knew that if young boys grew up off of game meat, then they would become to strong and viral to be kept in check, so they restricted hunting and would slit the throat of any man they found with a rabbit in the stew pot.
The corporate overlords of to day share the same feudal mentality(although they are not overtly as brutal) they have still done a reasonably good job at brainwashing the public into castrating themselves through propaganda geared toward masses.
They also now they have scientifically contrived means other than out right malnourishment of robin hoods day, to keep the testosterone of the masses in check. Of course with the raw paleo diet we have found a way to fight back.
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Huh? Don't you live in the US??
haha M, well done!
Nice Richard!
~tommy boy
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The most important aspect of enhancing your lineage IMO would be the first years of your child's life. Adult's can only change so much.
Most of us were taken away from our mothers right after birth, many of us fed on bottles while our mothers worked, then weened off onto canned food. All the while being kept squeaky clean. I suspect things like this plays a huge role in not only social psychological development, but also physiological development of the brain. Not to worry though, a few generations of simply not going with the flow of conventional medicine will undoubtedly do great things. Easing back into nature is the best choice and the only choice IMO. Just try to get your city born girl to live and produce children in 100% natural environment, unless she is totally awesome(and foolish) she probably won't be down. It takes a village to raise a child anyway.
i dont know why you think it is foolish for a city born girl to live and produce children in a 100% natural environment then you said easing into nature is the best choice....what?
we are taken away from our mothers at birth, but also the female role and human qualities that are generally associated with females and mothers i.e. sacrafice(selflessness/"suffering" for the benefit of something else..i.e the pain of birth, raising a child)) altruism have been marred by a history of POLITICS disguised as religion. we disassociate from these things as humans, males and females, and forget the power that these qualities have. instead we use lesser but equally powerful tactics to survive and reproduce...ie sexual attraction as image based, so sexual reproduction occurs even when factors are not proper to support or sustain children. survival is no longer long term, it is immediate, mate now, eat now, buy comfort now, pleasure now etc, you mate with who can provide these things in the immediate future......it is more how easily we can do things in this generation with no regard that the ease with which we do things now makes the future generations we create now less able to have that same level of health we experience now and creates a less stable and sustaining environment. ie when a mother chooses to have a child in a hospital with full antibiotics, pain medicine etc...she is choosing to have an "easier" child birth at the cost of her childs health in the immediate future. all of these things are one in the same. had she known and taken the time to work towards natural child birth the birth would have been just as, if not MORE comfortable, and more healthful for herself and her child, HOWEVER THAT TAKES WORK and gaining knowledge NOW, because we are not born into societies or systems where these things are taught inherently
i am not putting blame on females or females who choose to have children in hospitals...that is just an example that is apt for this discussion etc...i am just trying to prove that if you KNOWINGLY bring a child into a world that is unsustainable for them and perhaps their grandchildren without doing anything in the interim to work towards making it and them beneficial parts of the natural system you are asking for their sacrifice in the future for what you have not done for them now
to be honest i was born in the city, but ever man i see i ask the question...could he build a house, could he even start a fire? can he grow food, hunt? does he know how to find water...because honestly i see how benign of a society we live in now i cannot, with any sort of conscious, contribute to it and would not want to be in a relationship with a man who is apathetic enough to accept and destroy the environment that is the basic necessity, and the most basic influence, of what will nourish or malnourish myself, himself and our future generations
we are really that selfish to destroy what honestly sustains us(myself included, i am here on the computer)...when we look at the future we think it is necessary for everyone to have the same level of "civilized" comforts that we have now or the world is shit, but honestly if we do not have teh same level of air quality, water quality and food quality in the future the world will be shit, even for those who have all of the creature comforts we enjoy now, because those cannot be enjoyed if proper healthful and natural life cannot be sustained...........
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I think because they have no internal competition they are happy but become weak as a country, so they have to attack other countries to stay alive. That's why people see them as evil, but the people in them are happy.
Edit: I was talking about communism because that seemed to be what Max was talking about.
na, was talking about countries like denmark, finland, netherlands http://www.thenewamerican.com/economy/economics-mainmenu-44/643
as far as I know they aren't attacking anyone ;]
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ps i would just like to add that you all have been fooled into thinking that man is what created you and what sustains you...i would like to note that this is a trick of the religion and politics of recent history and our times. man cannot himself create another human or another life form, nor can mans own creations...it still takes what was here first...nature(female element) as well as a balanced male input... and although man can derive from these things the ability to create a similar life form, he uses things he cannot himself create without other things that were here before him and that he himself is made out of..........so when you think of paper money as sustainance, you are operating on a very base level of understanding the true nature of what creates life.......when your livelyhood is a office job you are operating under the guise that the office is what creates your comfort level, your ability to have a decent life experience, and the more money you can make there the better your life and comfort will be and that of your childrens...however you cannot forget that you are again playing into the system that is destroying the future...a system built around producing unnecessary goods and services that people unnecessarily demand...a system set up with a man thinking that he can just go ahead and create whatever he wants in the immediate by taking elements of the natural world and turning them into things he DESIRES with no regard for the consequences to himself, his family, friends, community and environment....(not trying to shit on dudes i promise, females do/have totally unnecessary jobs/wants)
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No... that's not at all what zeitgeist/venus project is... there is no group of people that tells everyone what to do... venus project is much more like a scientifically/technologically advanced form of tribes.
If it ends up being necessary to have a smaller group of people making certain decisions then that group would be no different(except completely transparent, better designed, with no reasons for corruption) then current government assemblies.
Watch the interview... the ones pushing the idea are fails. This technology is yet to be presented anyway.
All they have is a video expressing injustice.
IMO focusing on government(illusory structure) is a waste of time, people get along together just fine for the most part.
The only problems are the plethora of stupid ass ideas and people who act on them.
I get a feeling their kind is on the way out soon anyway. Within the next century.
i dont know why you think it is foolish for a city born girl to live and produce children in a 100% natural environment then you said easing into nature is the best choice....what?
Easing back into over the course of generations.
Example... very simplified
You moving into a cabin in the woods eventually.
Your son growing up primarily outdoors.
Three generations later ( maybe when all of the SAD eaters have stopped pumping out kids and the party poopers are gone) your blood has found a place with sustainable wild food sources.
Something like that...
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Watch the interview... the ones pushing the idea are fails.
I saw it before. You linked it to me in another thread.
The only problem the guy seemed to have with the venus project was how they would decide which items would be manufactured without a price system.
All in all though, I don't think the venus project is close to being perfect yet. But zeitgeist/venus project at least explain and attempt to begin to tackle very severe problems with our society.
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Watch the interview... the ones pushing the idea are fails. This technology is yet to be presented anyway.
All they have is a video expressing injustice.
IMO focusing on government(illusory structure) is a waste of time, people get along together just fine for the most part.
The only problems are the plethora of stupid ass ideas and people who act on them.
Government is the action of systematizing stupid ass ideas.