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Raw Paleo Diet to Suit You => Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet => Topic started by: Poncho on July 10, 2013, 04:37:24 am
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My boyfriend (who has been on and off of raw paleo for the past 6 months) gets very hungry about 1 hour after eating a full meal. Full as in raw meat, veggies, oils etc. This issue is kind of ongoing I guess, and always leads him back to eating cooked food. Pretty frustrating. Anyone have any idea what this is from? Or what he could be missing?
I went through the same thing about 2 or 3 times in the past 6 months (I went full raw paleo and didn't cheat).
But maybe its not the same issue? I don't know haha
Help!
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I approach this two ways generally.
one: I have set for myself how many carbs and proteins I can eat daily, about 50-75 g each. When I finish those, I consume only fat until I'm full. If I get to a stop on fat but still feel hungry, I drink water. 99% of the time this satisfies all hunger. If I get hungry later and don't feel like eating fat ill try and mix the fat in with a little more meat, often times in a day consuming 4000+ calories.
also, this leads to my second solution. The times I am stuffed but feel unsatisfied, I decide to fast. One day without food has done it for me. Or just allow myself a little bit of fat here and there. By the third day of eating just fat, I woke up and consumed 3/4 lb. of pure beef suet. I couldn't get enough of it. And then, I did. And I went on with my day.
Although the second method is harder, the results are far better, helping you enjoy raw far more than cooked. The thing about consuming cooked foods here and there, is they destroy your desire and taste for raw foods almost instantly. However, when only raw, your enjoyment of raw foods is 10x greater than the best cooked food. I had raw salmon the other day, unseasoned, it was better than any of the $40 salmon plates from nice restaurants I've had. My body went ecstatic because there was something it craved and said good! more!
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I agree with the raw foods tasting 10X better than anything.
I have really stuck to raw paleo, and the benefits are never-ending so far.
My boyfriend and I eat generally a meat and veggie salad for dinner.
Always with lots of other veggies added,
oils and raw dressings too.
He argues that it is too boring for him,
and I find with each meal I eat I love it more than the last.
I guess thats because I havent made my taste buds want any cooked food haha.
I love every food so much now.
I love these meals more than any meal I've ever eaten.
Each bite is amazing, I eat like an animal too its a bit unpleasant to imagine how I would look at a nice restaurant.
My boyfriend is looking to find a source for grass-fed fats, we'll hunt a little harder now haha.
Thanks :)
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Yes thats big. If you guys are only eating oils as a fat source you're missin out! Animal fats are so much more satisfying.
I haven't experimented with veggies yet, but by cutting them out completely, I feel great. Maybe its a man thing but I wants me some meats!
Also, how many organs/seafood do you guys eat? Lack of proper fuel can leave you searching, even if you have the necessary calories.
as far as additional fat, I find a little more fat than meat (fatty cuts) works well. So if I eat lamb chops at 6 oz (almost 200 g for you Canadians ;)) ill have additional fat at 7 oz (250g). I've been preferring organs and seafood and fat for most meals and feel quite satisfied. Also, tell him to male a hot sauce or dip it in honey if he's bored with the same flavor. That desire goes away when We get away from cooked food. I used to fiend for hot sauce every meal when cooking. Now, once a week. Usually after a glass of wine too.
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I was on the 100% meat for 2 months.
I felt much better, but not great.
Were certainly lacking the proper fuel haha
Toronto makes it so irritatingly tricky to get all of the weird animal products.
They add shit into everything. Everything is polluted in some way or another.
If its grass-fed, its also grain fed. Always. So shitty
Ah I want to be in the mountains and hunting and eating entire animals.
Soon soon. Then we'll be getting the perfect diet haha
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White oak pastures. Paying a lot for shipping is better than being sick IMO. Check eatwild.com also... I bet some of the states nearby ship up there.
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thanks Ill be looking into that
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My boyfriend (who has been on and off of raw paleo for the past 6 months) gets very hungry about 1 hour after eating a full meal. Full as in raw meat, veggies, oils etc. This issue is kind of ongoing I guess, and always leads him back to eating cooked food. Pretty frustrating. Anyone have any idea what this is from? Or what he could be missing?
I went through the same thing about 2 or 3 times in the past 6 months (I went full raw paleo and didn't cheat).
But maybe its not the same issue? I don't know haha
Help!
At the start of my raw paleo journey I ate quite a lot and quite often.
Later on when my body seemed to be full of nutrition... the frequency and quantity just slumped to maybe just half. I'm 5 years on now.
Maybe the more experienced ones can chime in.
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Yeah thats what I had heard from you guys before, and thats what I noticed in myself too.
But then about a week ago we were both hungry an hour after eating.
I figured that might be kinda weird, so maybe we were missing something.
We don't have access to fats and organs etc, so it seemed pretty likely that would help.
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Do a little instincto, you may really need more... You may also be needing other things. Sniff and taste around.
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I felt better when I finally got some fat to eat,
I just need to find more now.
And organs.
Ah I just want to find a hunter that will give me all of the good parts of the animal.
It drives me crazy having to source out each piece of the puzzle
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At the start, sourcing is the challenge.
But it gets easier as you get more and more sources.
And more and more variety.
And your methods of sourcing become second nature.
People are amazed sometimes how I can source such seemingly exotic varieties of good food.
I live in the biggest metropolis in my country and I can drive around to wherever the food is.
Variety is wonderful and makes me happy. Keep trying out other animals, fruits, veggies, root crops, etc. Try also fermenting stuff, making your own, buying fermented stuff.
If you haven't explored raw dairy and other dairy products, you might want to look into that. I just concluded my raw cheese experiments and I think raw cheese does me good. I can understand those reports that in some cultures they ate cheese as their meals... must remember to eat with raw butter to prevent constipation.
I just finished off the last of the raw cheese I ordered from France... so it's back to being cheese - less for me... and a wonderful change... actually I've been raring to go on a long fast. My body is telling me to go on a fast.
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At the start, sourcing is the challenge.
But it gets easier as you get more and more sources.
And more and more variety.
And your methods of sourcing become second nature.
People are amazed sometimes how I can source such seemingly exotic varieties of good food.
I live in the biggest metropolis in my country and I can drive around to wherever the food is.
Variety is wonderful and makes me happy. Keep trying out other animals, fruits, veggies, root crops, etc. Try also fermenting stuff, making your own, buying fermented stuff.
Yes, exactly.
If you haven't explored raw dairy and other dairy products, you might want to look into that. I just concluded my raw cheese experiments and I think raw cheese does me good. I can understand those reports that in some cultures they ate cheese as their meals... must remember to eat with raw butter to prevent constipation.
I just finished off the last of the raw cheese I ordered from France... so it's back to being cheese - less for me... and a wonderful change... actually I've been raring to go on a long fast. My body is telling me to go on a fast.
GS, are you sure your body had enough time to get out of tolerance to it before reintroducing dairy products? How long have you been eating 100% raw and paleo (I mean without dairy, of course) before eating dairy again? All the experiments done in Switzerland and France with raw, proper, dairy have been disastrous, on children, adults and elderly alike – at the condition that the person got out of tolerance before, which takes several months and perhaps even a year or two of 100% raw paleo nutrition.
Also, aren’t you taking short time response for the ultimate answer, which would be of course an illusion? As I mentioned several times previously, in complex system short time response are generally very different than long term effects.
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I got on the raw goat dairy train as quickly as I could, and it has done me well it seems.
Whether or not it is because of the dairy at all, I am doing better and better as the weeks go by.
I'm just doing what feels right.
Its lead me down a more than satisfactory path so far
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Hi Iguana, no ultimate answers here for me so far. My experiments go on.
I'm in the experimentation angle as a healer and see what powerful medicinal foods I can use to heal not just me, but also other people. (just happens that raw paleo type foods are the most powerful)
Raw milk is a no go for me. Not even in this 5th year. I just get too much gas from raw milk.
But hey, I've got a supposedly terminal kidney cancer patient and he's doing great on raw goat's milk so far. My own boy went on 3 weeks of pure raw cow's milk diet to finally form his poop well.
Raw cheese, I just started experimenting this 5th year and it was egged on by this Vitamin K2 search... that vitamin K2 works for me for removing plaque on my teeth was an amazing thing. Hard plaque just all fell out.
Now that the raw cheese experiment is over... no more raw cheese... I guess I will have to depend on raw brain for vitamin K2. Let's see if raw brain is just as good with vitamin K2.
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OK.
About being hungry again shortly after a meal, it happens rather often to me. It's no problem: then I search for something else to eat... something raw and paleo, of course!
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OK.
About being hungry again shortly after a meal, it happens rather often to me. It's no problem: then I search for something else to eat... something raw and paleo, of course!
haha its so simple yet we need to ask the internet.
I agree here a lot also, just eat more.
Maybe your body needed to figure out what it is and signaled stop but found out that it enjoyed that food so said more?
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haha its so simple yet we need to ask the internet.
I agree here a lot also, just eat more.
Maybe your body needed to figure out what it is and signaled stop but found out that it enjoyed that food so said more?
Haha come on obviously we do that.
Hunger means the body wants nourishment.
We were just wondering if there was a reason for this insatiable hunger
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Maybe your body needed to figure out what it is and signaled stop but found out that it enjoyed that food so said more?
If we eat rather fast, the digestive enzymes may not be able to follow the pace, so we feel we have enough, but after a while allowing those enzymes to do their work, we are hungry again for the same food and can eat some more without problems.
Also, another foodstuff may bring in some enzymes helping digestion of the first food so that we become able to eat again some of the first food. But such cross-mixing should be avoided because it leads to overloads. I mean if we experience an instinctive stop with a foodstuff and then eat something else, we avoid eating the same first food again. If we are still hungry, we choose something else instead.
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I find that the faster I eat, the better I seem to feel?
It's weird, I've always been a slow eater.
Always the last one at the table.
But now, I devour each bite very quickly. Feels great.
I don't chew too much either haha
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Try adding ground beef, veggies, potato and eggs to your dinner. It will certainly fill you up. It is not advisable to do this every night though. Surprisingly, these amount of food will not add damage to your health if done in a paleo diet.
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has this been resolved tayla?
what is he eating at a meal?
what times of day does he eat?
eating enough to support physical level?
possible nutritional deficiencies?
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i know this thread is older, but i finally read it... (thanks for the cue, jessica)...
i'd like to chime in on the mention of eating too fast... if you guys have noticed in some of the pics i post, i use chopsticks. always. for everything. for almost 8 years straight. my rate of food consumption is definitely slower. i also cut my meats into nice, bite size pieces before serving / prepping. this helps me chew more thoroughly, take smaller bites, and eat a little less in a meal than i did on a cooked diet. i only consume approx 1/4 lb of animal product (whether land or sea, or a combination of both) on any given day, usually at a dinnertime meal (typically with a salad). the rest of the day is spent with fruits, berries, veggies, nuts and seeds, and water (for additional fats / proteins / calories / carbs as needed). personally, i find i'm never at a point where i'm "hungry" unless i've gone without. i haven't paid too much attention to carb / calorie counting. like mentioned here, it's a little more "instinctive", and i only end up consuming what i use on a daily basis.
i dunno, works for me... :)
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haha I had always been a slow eater.
Always the last to finish my meal.
Now I eat pretty fast, chew a lot less, and it feels good!
I've read on here about chewing less working for people, so I never questioned it again.
Should I slow down again?
I havent been noticing any problems I dont think! haha
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I chew just how much I feel like chewing and don't even think about that. When we swallow a too big piece, it pains when passing by the throat, so that the right amount of chewing becomes automatically governed.
But chewing less doesn't necessarily means eating faster altogether. ;)
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I chew just how much I feel like chewing and don't even think about that. When we swallow a too big piece, it pains when passing by the throat, so that the right amount of chewing becomes automatically governed.
But chewing less doesn't necessarily means eating faster altogether. ;)
I chew less and eat fast now, unless I'm hallucinating haha.
I probably just used to chew way too much, thats why I ate so slowly.
Maybe I've just become normal?
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who knows? maybe chewing less and eating faster is why you were hungry after an hour? unless jessica's question has been answered, and the problem has been resolved?
i've felt that chewing thoroughly just aids with the digestion process and eases the workload for the rest of my system. the smaller meat bits are easier to chew... plus, i can savor the flavor a little longer, and i've experienced no problems with digesting and passing raw foods.
hope you two have been doing better!
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That's a good point by the way. I notice as I am still new to this high fat diet, my system hasn't developed all the mitochondria necessary to digest 100% of the fat. I can eat about 2k cal in fat In one sitting and an hour or two be hungry again, and eat another 1k in fat and another hour later want another 500 or so. However, my body balances it out the next day and 1800 in fat is enough. I try to maintain my protein and carb intake at the same level.
point being, hunger reacts a little differently. I try to shoot for not eating unless I'm truly hungry, feeling like I almost can't go on. I usually eat only once per day but it takes me about 3 hours of ingesting sometimes, stopping for 30 min at a time thinking I'm full, but my body is simply processing the fat. I started that on the advice of Tyler, and its really been great, as fat is long lasting.
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i can savor the flavor a little longer, and i've experienced no problems with digesting and passing raw foods.
Yes, that’s another element determining the length of time a food remains in the mouth. Eating raw paleo foods is like driving on an unknown winding road. Unlike driving on a wide and straight highway cruise control on, if you drive at full speed on a winding road, you risk to enter a corner too fast and get out of the road.
Our raw food should remain in the mouth long enough for us to realize if it’s taste is good or bad and if we still like it in such amount. If we swallow too quickly, we may ingest something bad, realizing too late that the taste was bad and that we should have rather spit it, or else go beyond the proper amount we need.
Think we are an animal in the wild, avoiding to poison itself. It means we’ve got to always remain in an interrogative mode: is that stuff good or poisonous? Is that amount enough? Would eating more of it put me in surviving disadvantage? “What is the appropriate speed to enter this bend?” ;)
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Yes, that’s another element determining the length of time a food remains in the mouth. Eating raw paleo foods is like driving on an unknown winding road. Unlike driving on a wide and straight highway cruise control on, if you drive at full speed on a winding road, you risk to enter a corner too fast and get out of the road.
Our raw food should remain in the mouth long enough for us to realize if it’s taste is good or bad and if we still like it in such amount. If we swallow to quickly, we may ingest something bad, realizing too late that the taste was bad and that we should have rather spit it, or else go beyond the proper amount we need.
Think we are an animal in the wild, avoiding to poison itself. It means we’ve got to always remain in an interrogative mode: is that stuff good or poisonous? Is that amount enough? Would eating more of it put me in surviving disadvantage? “What is the appropriate speed to enter this bend?” ;)
good point, well put... chewing to help determine potential food hazards did not occur to me as being an instinctive safeguard, but it seems logical...
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The only catch is that most rawpalaeos report that they spend less and less time on chewing and just bolt the stuff down after chewing once, maximum twice.
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The only catch is that most rawpalaeos report that they spend less and less time on chewing and just bolt the stuff down after chewing once, maximum twice.
it seems carnivores tend to do this. My pups used to chew a lot. After a few months of feeding raw, they all try to bolt it down after one or two chomps. Do all carnivores chew as little as possible?
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The only catch is that most rawpalaeos report that they spend less and less time on chewing and just bolt the stuff down after chewing once, maximum twice.
Don't they feel it painful when such un-chewed chunks go through their throat? Do they do that because they don't like the taste of what they eat?
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I dont feel pain, but yeah I always watched discovery planet animal feeding in my head while I was eating.
I would be chewing so much, but these animals were eating raw meat just like I was, only really quickly.
Wild animals eat fast. And as far as I can tell, I want to be a wild animal haha
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Don't they feel it painful when such un-chewed chunks go through their throat? Do they do that because they don't like the taste of what they eat?
No pain at all. And no, they like the taste, it's just that it saves a lot of time. Quite honestly, chewing is only necessary for digesting cooked foods. Look at dogs and other carnivores who also just bolt down their meats.
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sorry about the double post, the computer went weird, and didn't post the first one, so i retyped, only to find it went through anyway... uhg, technology.
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No problem, I removed the second one of your double post.
No pain at all. And no, they like the taste, it's just that it saves a lot of time. Quite honestly, chewing is only necessary for digesting cooked foods. Look at dogs and other carnivores who also just bolt down their meats.
But the chunk should not be larger than the throat's diameter! It may be ok for carnivores eating meat, but eating for example whole cherries including all their stones leads to intestinal occlusion - I know someone who had such an experience. Another example is fish such as the one I ate last night: I had to thoroughly chew it to remove or break its remaning small bones.
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But the chunk should not be larger than the throat's diameter! It may be ok for carnivores eating meat, but eating for example whole cherries including all their stones leads to intestinal occlusion - I know someone who had such an experience. Another example is fish such as the one I ate last night: I had to thoroughly chew it to remove or break its remaining small bones.
Sure, there are a few exceptions such as the above you cited, but meat can be easily bolted down.
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The only catch is that most rawpalaeos report that they spend less and less time on chewing and just bolt the stuff down after chewing once, maximum twice.
I've been thinking about that in the meantime and it occurred to me that I've never seen anyone systematically bolting down solid food (either raw or cooked) without chewing more than one or twice. Carnivores are certainly a different case, their sense of smell being much more powerful than ours. But I agree that fresh raw meat needs less chewing than cooked meat or cooked grain.
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Okay this is going to be kind of all over the place, because there is alot that could be going on here. Obviously you have to eat more raw foods to substitute for the cooked version. I don't know why this is. I can't do it. I do eat raw foods, but it's not like it could ever be the only thing I ever survive on or else I'd have to be eating constantly and my lifestyle does not allow me to do that.
His meals should probably be a lot bigger.
First things first, he needs to make sure his meal contains a form of complex carb especially if he is a naturally hungry person like me. Most vegetables are simple carbs - they do not give enough fuel to last and are meant to cleanse, not energize. He obviously is lacking food energy if he's getting hungry so fast. That's what carbs are for.... he could try eating more carrots and other more starchy vegetables, but those too are cleansing and lots of carrots are high in sugar and will lead to fast insulin spikes... crashes, and also carrots support the liver so might induce detox symptoms.
People don't understand basic physiology. Fats are not meant to energize anerobic activity, they only give you energy for aerobic activity. Sad thing is carbs are used for both activites, but fats are only used for aerobic, which is why most people have a hard time losing fat, because they only do anerobic activities at the gym.
I'll break it down:
Breathing, walking, and any MILD movement where you get adequete amounts of oxygen is aerobic and is using both fat and carbs, but mostly fats. Aerobic activity is any activity that you can do for eternity (or until your body gets injured) and breathe just fine during.
A sprint, a short but fast movement, weight training, and any intense physical activity is anerobic and burns NOTHING but CARBS.
Your body does not store a large amount of carbs like it stores huge amounts of fat, which is why we need to eat carbs constantly throughout the day seeing as most of our actions are anerobic (if we are somewhat active people) and the stores are depleted very fast. This will cause HUNGER. The brain lives on nothing else but carbs. Cutting carbs out is both stupid and dangerous.
The problem is society does not offer us a good alternative to complex carbohydrates. Most of us can't eat wheat, gluten or even rice or other gluten free products. Most vegetables just don't cut it.
I do have issues with this myself, so It's not like I have the answer. I know I need to eat complex carbs, but my body just can't digest normal white society carbs.
The reason why vegetables do not fuel people up is because they are SIMPLE carbs, which means they are fast burning. Meat also does not give energy, it is meant to repair muscle, which was very important back in the paleo times because people moved around a lot. In order to fuel yourself up on most vegetables you would have to eat eat more than an entire plate full every half an hour, depending on what you do during the day. If you do nothing but laze around, you wouldn't need to and can just live off of fats because all you would be doing is aerobic activity. But if you make intense movements at all, you will need to immediately gobble down a bunch of veggies because a quick sprint to the bus will deplete all your carb stores, unless you can find a better substitute that is a COMPLEX carb - long lasting carb that gives energy, then you won't have to eat as much, but it's hard to find a healthy complex carb in this day of age.
Meat, veggies and oils is not enough if he's biologically primal, has native ancestry, or if his blood type is O, he would need a more diverse range of foods and will always need to eat a lot more than most people.
If the meat is too lean, he will definitely need to eat animal fats because that will obviously give energy for aerobic activity, which we all do even if we aren't doing anything, not just vegetable based oils and to make sure he gets polyunsaturated fat from raw fish, especially if he has native background at all, he would probably need to eat fish often.
I apoligize for bringing that up all the time but Im sure most people are mixed race these days haha even if they are unaware of it.
You might be interested in knowing what the K'omoks first nations people survived off on the land, west coast on vancouver island. It was called Land of Plenty for a reason :) A never ending abundant supply of fish, seal, sea creatures, seaweeds and whales. Bears, deer, wolves, cougars and elk came over because there are a bunch of tiny islands that are swimming distance away from this island, all of these islands eventually reach the big mainland of Vancouver, so wild game meats were/are also plentiful here. They also ate insects, saps, all types of things but the forms of complex carbs that existed back then sort of trump all forms people normally eat today, because they feasted on things like tree barks and very, very fibrous, tough and energy giving things that people would never think to eat now and would probably have difficulty digesting. Most of the evergreen trees here are actually edible! A lot of people don't know that, but there was always enough food here and people never starved throughout the winters... they ate A LOT always. There were always giant feasts going on, always.
Having a very close connection to my first nations culture, I can tell you that before colonization, people ate well and also constantly and unless they were inuit or lived in a climate that forced them to prepare for nasty winters, they always had an abundant and rich supply of food in all seasons. That's why for those of us who have even the tiniest bit of ancestry to most first nations tribes, we have to eat a lot of food.
This happens to me in general no matter what I eat but mostly when I eat red meats or salmon, raw or cooked, I do get hungry within 20 minutes after eating. It's normal for me because I'm naturally supposed to be a meat eater since I'm first nations and my blood type is o positive.
For some people, eating meat is hard on their digestion. For me, eating red meat speeds up my digestion and metabolism and makes me ravenous. It's also instinctual because my people ate a lot of food back in the olden days.
Kill a bear? You don't let it go to waste because that is against spiritual, sacred traditions. You feast on it, right then and there, and you eat as much as possible and then eat and use the remains of the animal later on, never wasting a thing. Now we are told that we should only be eating one serving of meat a day! I think some of us need a lot more than that.
Also, he might want to check with a doctor to rule out hypoglecemia because that can cause hunger.
But if it is natural, real hunger and he is also fantasing about food with his hunger it would be wise for him to listen to his body to see what it needs. If he has any food cravings, he should eat those things. Our bodies can tell us what we need.
It is not wise to starve oneself. If someone is hungry all the time it means they need to eat more food. They obviously have faster metabolisms than others and need more food than the average person.
I actually consider it a good thing since I'm the same way. I used to have anorexia, and now that I'm recovered I am so thankful that I can get away with eating A LOT of food. It is annoying, but I get away with having to snack frequently throughout the day by just eating very large meals and make sure to have 3 big meals every day, and at nighttime, I usually have to have snacks within 20 minutes after supper because I get very hungry.
I don't get hungry when I eat complex carbs like rice pasta, but things like pasta and stuff just sit in my stomach and don't digest very fast. I would never cut cooked foods out of my diet because I am also a very, very active person and I'm not about to go munch on trees to find better substitutes to carbs. Also, I find cooked vegetables are easier for me to digest. I like having some nice hot meals some days, it just feels right. I just eat in a balance and eat according to what my body needs. Also, my ancestors had fire ;)
Hopefully some of that makes sense. I ended up taking a fitness instructor course which is why I frequently get into all the physiology nonsense hahahaha.
My boyfriend (who has been on and off of raw paleo for the past 6 months) gets very hungry about 1 hour after eating a full meal. Full as in raw meat, veggies, oils etc. This issue is kind of ongoing I guess, and always leads him back to eating cooked food. Pretty frustrating. Anyone have any idea what this is from? Or what he could be missing?
I went through the same thing about 2 or 3 times in the past 6 months (I went full raw paleo and didn't cheat).
But maybe its not the same issue? I don't know haha
Help!
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Various fruits are excellent sources of carbs, and make a healthier alternative to cooked veggies and grains. I eat bananas, dates, pomegranates, mangos, apples, pears, blueberries, etc.. I generally eat my fruit with some fats like cashews, raw cheese/cream, avocado, etc.. The fat gives you the steady fuel, and the carbs give you immediate energy. Most people need some of both.
If you can't get fruits, and live in a very cold area, there are animal foods like liver that have a fairly high carb content. It's also possible, if you have to get your carbs from veggies, to blend veggies instead of cooking them.