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Title: Merged DR discussions...
Post by: kurite on March 11, 2010, 10:11:52 am
Hey I just looked at the old raw vegan site I use to belong to and saw durian rider give the most dumb as* post ive seen in a while. All he does is try to make meat eating sound like its a disgusting thing to do. Is it his life goal to ruin it for the only people who actually know how to eat right?
Title: Re: Merged DR discussions...
Post by: pc701 on March 11, 2010, 10:31:39 am
There can be two types of extremists in the raw food community. 1, raw vegan types like durianrider 2. Raw carnivore types that say to ignore all plant foods. Maybe "The Bear" can be listed in that category.
Title: Re: Merged DR discussions...
Post by: kurite on March 11, 2010, 10:32:50 am
I know hes just so obnoxious
Title: Re: Merged DR discussions...
Post by: goodsamaritan on March 11, 2010, 10:38:31 am
I sometimes sound obnoxious in Curezone when I hammer RPD to them in the raw omnivore forum.
I sound obnoxious from the point of view of those who remain sick while eating their salads and cooked meats.  
I tell them to juice their salad and eat raw meat.

Durian Rider will mellow down sometime.

Title: Re: Merged DR discussions...
Post by: kurite on March 11, 2010, 10:51:11 am
If you say so his recent posts seem to be getting worse.
Title: Re: Merged DR discussions...
Post by: goodsamaritan on March 11, 2010, 11:03:21 am
If you say so his recent posts seem to be getting worse.

Maybe he should take a trip to Japan and mouth off there.
Title: Re: Merged DR discussions...
Post by: ForTheHunt on March 11, 2010, 08:09:55 pm
I've talked a bit to durian rider and that guy is yes, very obnoxious and a total smartass. It's rare that I dislike people, but I do dislike him.

I mean look at his videos on youtube. "MEAT EATERS ARE FREAKS". I mean, how insane is that?
Title: Re: Merged DR discussions...
Post by: goodsamaritan on March 11, 2010, 08:43:50 pm
Durian rider can only sustain his fruitarian diet because DURIANS are cheap and plentiful in THAILAND.

I myself would want to eat more Durians here in the Philippines IF I COULD AFFORD IT.

Beef is cheaper.
Title: Re: Merged DR discussions...
Post by: TylerDurden on March 11, 2010, 09:14:39 pm
Durian rider can only sustain his fruitarian diet because DURIANS are cheap and plentiful in THAILAND.

I myself would want to eat more Durians here in the Philippines IF I COULD AFFORD IT.

Beef is cheaper.
  I would have thought that raw seafood would be far cheaper in the Phillipines than raw meats.
Title: Re: Merged DR discussions...
Post by: goodsamaritan on March 11, 2010, 09:18:12 pm
  I would have thought that raw seafood would be far cheaper in the Phillipines than raw meats.

raw sea food is good too.
oysters, tuna, squid... though lacking in fat.
blue marlin is fatty.
I do find beef satisfying the most.
Title: Re: Merged DR discussions...
Post by: whatever on March 11, 2010, 09:57:21 pm
He eats so unbelievable large amounts of food, totally unsustainable. I thought vegan also stands for sustainability. He's still young when he hits 40 there's not much left of him I think. 
Title: Re: Merged DR discussions...
Post by: Hans89 on March 12, 2010, 01:41:15 am
Regarding sustainability, he just posted this on facebook:
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According to the World Health Organisation (WHO) and the Food and Agriculture Organisation of the United Nations (FAO), ‘the number of people fed in a year per hectare ranges from 22 for potatoes and 19 for rice down to 1 and 2 people respectively for beef and lamb’."
Quite strange that he should post that, as he doesn't eat rice or potatoes...  -\
Title: Re: Merged DR discussions...
Post by: kurite on March 12, 2010, 12:13:16 pm
Thats why I find it so funny. Hes always trying to say hes so much more environmentally friendly but he only eats fruit which actually causes the production of lots of CO2. If he wanted to help the earth he should just eat organic grains l)
Title: durianrider on youtube has holes in his food theory....
Post by: pioneer on May 19, 2010, 04:37:20 am
Anyone know that guy durianrider on you tube who is a fruitarian and badmouths paleo , raw, and primal diets? Yeah he annoys the shit outta me with his "humans weren't meant to eat animals" and "killing animals is immoral". He's such a prick and thinks hes right about everything. But one thing we all know is vegan/ vegetarian/ fruitarian diets never last long term. You rarely see someone who's been on any of these diets for 15+ years because it is not possible to stay on. Not enough fat, protein and vital nutrients that are commonly found in meat. Tell me how it is so immoral to humanely kill an animal when veggies and vegans kill whole entire ecosystems that consist of millions of fungi and micro organisms every square centimeter. Agriculture is the downfall of any society in history, look it up for yourself. When the soil dies, we die. IDK the guy just pisses me off and I've been giving him negative comments all the time. He boasts about eating nothing but 70 bananas a day and tells how Aajonus is an asshole for eating meat raw.

You guys should all comment on this douche's videos and let him know whats up.
Title: Re: durianrider on youtube is a fag...
Post by: TylerDurden on May 19, 2010, 04:46:40 am
Well, I've tried to do so many times, but the comments never seemed to get published, somehow, no doubt due to DurianRider having control over post-deletion etc. And any cursory check on agriculture etc., shows that one can live off a raw, palaeolithic diet quite easily, despite the current global overpopulation. There is the fact that mountainous/desert- country is not remotely suitable for agriculture(solely for animals like goats etc.)
Title: Re: durianrider on youtube is a fag...
Post by: kurite on May 19, 2010, 04:59:48 am
Anyone know that guy durianrider on you tube who is a fruitarian and badmouths paleo , raw, and primal diets? Yeah he annoys the shit outta me with his "humans weren't meant to eat animals" and "killing animals is immoral". He's such a prick and thinks hes right about everything. But one thing we all know is vegan/ vegetarian/ fruitarian diets never last long term. You rarely see someone who's been on any of these diets for 15+ years because it is not possible to stay on. Not enough fat, protein and vital nutrients that are commonly found in meat. Tell me how it is so immoral to humanely kill an animal when veggies and vegans kill whole entire ecosystems that consist of millions of fungi and micro organisms every square centimeter. Agriculture is the downfall of any society in history, look it up for yourself. When the soil dies, we die. IDK the guy just pisses me off and I've been giving him negative comments all the time. He boasts about eating nothing but 70 bananas a day and tells how Aajonus is an asshole for eating meat raw.

You guys should all comment on this douche's videos and let him know whats up.
Trust me I feel the same way. I started a post about how much he pisses me off too.
This video in particular is just like wtf is wrong with him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQ_Ienq2m7c
Title: Re: durianrider on youtube is a fag...
Post by: pioneer on May 19, 2010, 05:02:00 am
Nice, you can bet that I'm gonna start posting my own videos badmouthing him with facts and science. We should all post videos.
Title: Re: durianrider on youtube is a fag...
Post by: Paleo Donk on May 19, 2010, 05:10:35 am
He doesn't bother me at all. Its not worth wasting time even trying to argue with him. He won't change. He is a good example of how someone can remain in decent shape with a low and poor quality protein diet for quite some time.
Title: Re: durianrider on youtube is a fag...
Post by: pioneer on May 19, 2010, 05:14:56 am
true and I'm with you with not wasting time on him. I just think it'd be funny to post a video of how annoying he is. Maybe a more constructive video would just be explaining the benefits of raw primal/paleo. Like some of the other members said, there aren't many raw paleo/primal videos on youtube and it would help to spread the word and give guidance to people.
Title: Re: durianrider on youtube is a fag...
Post by: actionhero on May 19, 2010, 06:12:30 am
He's not a fag but I'm not sure he's a man either since he CASTRATED himself.
That would make him a ladyboy, no wonder he spends so much time in Thailand.

http://www.30bananasaday.com/forum/topics/i-want-to-stop-my-oral?commentId=2684079%3AComment%3A518533 (http://www.30bananasaday.com/forum/topics/i-want-to-stop-my-oral?commentId=2684079%3AComment%3A518533)



Title: Re: durianrider got a vasectomy
Post by: goodsamaritan on May 19, 2010, 06:51:30 am
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So 5 years ago I grabbed myself a vasectomy and it would have to be one of the best decisions Ive EVER made.

Good riddance!  He knows his genetic code deserves to end so he suicided his own blood line.

Title: Re: durianrider on youtube is a fag...
Post by: michaelwh on May 19, 2010, 07:13:56 am
When it comes to raw paleo, I would say that any publicity is good publicity. The average person who watches DurianRider's videos will learn that meat is edible raw, and that there are people who say raw meat is healthy.

The more anti-raw-paleo videos that DR makes, the more people will get interested in raw paleo.
Title: Re: durianrider on youtube is a fag...
Post by: pioneer on May 19, 2010, 07:23:37 am
good point, I never thought of it like that.
Title: Re: durianrider on youtube is a fag...
Post by: djr_81 on May 19, 2010, 08:10:09 am
He doesn't bother me at all. Its not worth wasting time even trying to argue with him. He won't change. He is a good example of how someone can remain in decent shape with a low and poor quality protein diet for quite some time.

I agree 100%. He's set in his ways; let him forge his own path of discovery.

Anyone know that guy durianrider on you tube who is a fruitarian and badmouths paleo , raw, and primal diets? Yeah he annoys the shit outta me with his "humans weren't meant to eat animals" and "killing animals is immoral". He's such a prick and thinks hes right about everything. But one thing we all know is vegan/ vegetarian/ fruitarian diets never last long term. You rarely see someone who's been on any of these diets for 15+ years because it is not possible to stay on. Not enough fat, protein and vital nutrients that are commonly found in meat. Tell me how it is so immoral to humanely kill an animal when veggies and vegans kill whole entire ecosystems that consist of millions of fungi and micro organisms every square centimeter. Agriculture is the downfall of any society in history, look it up for yourself. When the soil dies, we die. IDK the guy just pisses me off and I've been giving him negative comments all the time. He boasts about eating nothing but 70 bananas a day and tells how Aajonus is an asshole for eating meat raw.

You guys should all comment on this douche's videos and let him know whats up.

FWIW vehement posts like this where you go toe-to-toe with the same vitriol benefit no one. Really all it does it cast doubt as to your true intent on this board. It's a typical calling card of a troll to cause fervor against a common target opposite of the community they look to infiltrate; my enemy is your enemy.
Title: Re: durianrider on youtube is a fag...
Post by: Josh on May 19, 2010, 08:14:59 am
How about less casual homophobic words? It's his problem what he eats anyway. People that are gonna be veggie are gonna be veggie..I don't think anyone's gonna convert them to rabbit food overnight.
Title: Re: durianrider on youtube is a fag...
Post by: pioneer on May 19, 2010, 08:32:22 am
hey djr 81 I did not mean that I hated the kid, just dont like the fact that he posts anti raw paleo and primal videos and gets away with it. Is there something wrong with that? And yeah, I know what your talking about with gossip as a typical destructive human behavior, but that was not my intent. I am a newbie to this website and wanted to raise awareness of anti paleo/ primal people. Had I searched this forum before my post, I would have seen that there are already numerous posts about him and would not have posted mine. I can see from your point of view that I am new to this website, so what do I know about the material? My intent must be to make friends with others to fill my emptiness and loneliness right? And the only way to do that is to gang up on others as a bully. Dont judge too quick, I am aware of the use of my unkind words towards durianrider and the immaturity with it, but how is calling me a troll any less mature. Just saying. My intent with this forum is only to learn more and more from others while simultaneously giving my own advice and testimonies to others. To help and be helped.
Title: Re: durianrider on youtube is a fag...
Post by: djr_81 on May 19, 2010, 09:05:31 am
hey djr 81 I did not mean that I hated the kid, just dont like the fact that he posts anti raw paleo and primal videos and gets away with it. Is there something wrong with that? And yeah, I know what your talking about with gossip as a typical destructive human behavior, but that was not my intent. I am a newbie to this website and wanted to raise awareness of anti paleo/ primal people. Had I searched this forum before my post, I would have seen that there are already numerous posts about him and would not have posted mine. I can see from your point of view that I am new to this website, so what do I know about the material? My intent must be to make friends with others to fill my emptiness and loneliness right? And the only way to do that is to gang up on others as a bully. Dont judge too quick, I am aware of the use of my unkind words towards durianrider and the immaturity with it, but how is calling me a troll any less mature. Just saying. My intent with this forum is only to learn more and more from others while simultaneously giving my own advice and testimonies to others. To help and be helped.
Re-read it. I didn't call you a troll, I said the behavior could be construed as trollish.
I'm all for people coming here to learn and help us all further ourselves with their own anecdotal experiences. I just want you to know we do get our fair share of trolls and many follow a similar tact to this thread. That's all.
Title: Re: durianrider on youtube is a fag...
Post by: pioneer on May 19, 2010, 09:17:15 am
Oh ok I see now. Yeah usually that happens in forums, people try to gossip all of the time. My fault for misinterpreting you. most of us catch ourselves from time to time acting rude and like idiots, but at least we catch ourselves. Some people go through life never learning from their wrongdoings and bad behavior/ mistakes so they never build their character. It is those people I truly pity because they are truly blind. Thanks for the clarification.
Title: Re: durianrider on youtube is a fag...
Post by: sven on May 19, 2010, 05:34:20 pm
LOL this guy is such a clown.  I can't hate him he makes me laugh too much
Title: Re: durianrider on youtube is a fag...
Post by: Dwight on May 20, 2010, 04:07:18 am
I would like to send a mail to him with the attachment of my flying elbow landing directly on his solar plexus.

But hey, that's just me.  l)
Title: Re: durianrider on youtube is a fag...
Post by: invisible on May 20, 2010, 08:54:38 am
his purpose it to try to annoy non-vegans/entertain vegans...he is not a source of information. If you don't like it don't watch. Don't give attention to irrelevant things. He recently trolled this forum and got little response, so resorted to making that video about "raw paleo experience".
Title: Re: durianrider on youtube is a fag...
Post by: Raw Kyle on May 20, 2010, 09:13:36 am
I'm thinking this thread should be removed. The title is offensive and the content is a poison for forums. I remember when the guy was here and I argued back and forth a few times, but some people got so caught up with it, as if it matters what he says or thinks. His video is stupid, even without the makeup he wouldn't look good, he's too skinny and his facial structure looks weak.

Mostly I think that this thread makes the raw paleo community look about on his level, and I don't want to participate in that.
Title: Re: durianrider on youtube is a fag...
Post by: Paleo Donk on May 20, 2010, 09:36:02 am
yea, delete or rename at the least
Title: Re: durianrider on youtube has holes in his food theory....
Post by: cherimoya_kid on May 20, 2010, 09:58:07 am
OK, I renamed this thread.  Do you guys like it?

We really need to avoid calling people names. Former forum trolls, like DurianRider, are no different, OK?

Why? The guy isn't even worth discussing anything with, at least not at this point.  His theory doesn't even really deserve to be discussed here, because most of us are so far beyond him, in terms of dietary knowledge.
Title: Re: durianrider on youtube is like...soooooooooo fab...
Post by: wodgina on May 20, 2010, 02:03:56 pm
I was thinking.
Title: Re: durianrider on youtube has holes in his food theory....
Post by: Furion on May 21, 2010, 02:55:44 am
lol I actually like him... he makes me laugh.

I like how he teases David Wolfe's clothes for dressing up in those little "Robin Hood costumes."  And how he imitates Matt Monarch.  If you follow the different raw food guru's he pays out on just about all of them in a pretty funny way.  I laughed at his Aajonus video too.

I'll tell you what I like most about him though? He is an example of someone on a 80/10/10/fruitarian diet.  If it was not for all the fruitarians I would not know that it's not the diet for me and may have even tried them myself.  I look at them all and see they have barely any muscle mass at all so I am thankful for the example they provide.
Title: Re: durianrider on youtube has holes in his food theory....
Post by: actionhero on May 21, 2010, 05:40:34 am
Maybe the admin could do that thing which makes it so that anytime DRs name is mentioned it shows #@%##. We don't need him here or anything he has to offer. He is spreading lies and disinformation about something that is deadly serious. He is discouraging people from consuming raw animal meat and making up lies how it has killed numerous of his 'housemates'. Like he would share a house with a raw carnivore. Many who are managing symptoms of disease are extremely desperate and fragile anyway and that advice is absolutely detrimental in their case because they will never try the one and only thing that could heal them, RAW MEAT. 

He posted pictures of what must be a crack addict with totally destroyed teeth and told everybody how it was caused by eating raw meat. We know from experience that this is complete bullshit. Also his videos about bloodtests are false. He had chronic b12 deficiency for years because of veganism and had to take b12 shots to stay functional. When confronted about this he made up some bullshit story how he can't absorb b12 from food because of drug abuse and past bulimia. Since when has fruit b12? Seriously this guy is one messed up individual.

 
Title: Re: durianrider on youtube has holes in his food theory....
Post by: pioneer on May 21, 2010, 05:51:19 am
Lol, I was wondering why he wasnt deficient. I bet hes anemic too. Either way, hes not getting any fat soluble vitamins which is huge; hows he gonna make hormones without em?
Title: Re: durianrider on youtube has holes in his food theory....
Post by: kurite on May 21, 2010, 05:54:13 am
Maybe the admin could do that thing which makes it so that anytime DRs name is mentioned it shows #@%##. We don't need him here or anything he has to offer. He is spreading lies and disinformation about something that is deadly serious. He is discouraging people from consuming raw animal meat and making up lies how it has killed numerous of his 'housemates'. Like he would share a house with a raw carnivore. Many who are managing symptoms of disease are extremely desperate and fragile anyway and that advice is absolutely detrimental in their case because they will never try the one and only thing that could heal them, RAW MEAT. 

He posted pictures of what must be a crack addict with totally destroyed teeth and told everybody how it was caused by eating raw meat. We know from experience that this is complete bullshit. Also his videos about bloodtests are false. He had chronic b12 deficiency for years because of veganism and had to take b12 shots to stay functional. When confronted about this he made up some bullshit story how he can't absorb b12 from food because of drug abuse and past bulimia. Since when has fruit b12? Seriously this guy is one messed up individual.

 
Its true his blood tests are bs.
Title: Re: durianrider on youtube has holes in his food theory....
Post by: Josh on May 21, 2010, 06:03:44 am
I can't find videos where he claims deaths and disease from raw meat. OK if he's done that he's crossed a line, he's a strange guy, whatever.

But what I and other people said still stands...just leave it, a diet war isn't going to help anyone. The best way to help people discover raw paleo is to have a friendly forum where we talk about things in a rational and measured way and let them make their own mind up.

To be realistic, the vast majority of people will never convert to raw paleo despite health issues as their visceral dislike of the idea will prevent them looking at the arguments for it, and they'll rationalise eating other ways as better. To be honest, I found this forum looking for cooked paleo info and thought raw meat eaters were fringe nutters and I consider myself lucky that I got to see some of the intelligent posters on here, which led me to accept the idea.
Title: Re: durianrider on youtube has holes in his food theory....
Post by: TylerDurden on May 21, 2010, 04:56:58 pm
Well, most people I've talked to are too set in their ways to change their diet at all - some even willing to die rather than try a raw-meat diet, even when their own health-problems are obviously going to be fatal very soon. But once people start experimenting with diets, they tend to be more and more responsive to the notion of a raw, palaeolithic diet. As a result of my mentioning my diet in passing(not preaching) I've had acquaintances turning mainly to sushi for takeaways, aiming for 100% grassfed meats at farmers markets(albeit cooked), so that, at least, is a start.The kind of people we mainly get as new members tend to be those whose conditions were severe enough to disrupt their life so that they had to wander through most dietary combinations before coming upon raw, palaeolithic diets as a last resort.It is true that some other diets have been helpful for some people(eg:- cooked, palaeolithic diets a la Cordain have shown some mild improvements re certain auto-immune diseases, as, I'm sure, have similiar diets involving non-palaeo foods. But most such non-RPD diets can only help people in limited ways - I, on the other hand, have seen endless reports re curing of cancer or getting rid of the symptoms of Grave's disease(a genetic, inherited illness) etc. as regards raw-meat diets, which is a major incentive.
Title: Re: durianrider on youtube has holes in his food theory....
Post by: ster546464@yahoo.co.uk on June 08, 2010, 09:14:00 pm
how can he be any healthier or any unhealthier than someone eating a standard junk food diet ?
Title: Re: durianrider on youtube has holes in his food theory....
Post by: TylerDurden on June 09, 2010, 02:09:40 am
how can he be any healthier or any unhealthier than someone eating a standard junk food diet ?
Even a SAD diet provides nutrients that are completely missing on a raw vegan diet.
Title: Re: durianrider on youtube has holes in his food theory....
Post by: goodsamaritan on June 09, 2010, 06:10:00 am
how can he be any healthier or any unhealthier than someone eating a standard junk food diet ?

Durianrider can survive on vegan / fruitarian simply because he relocated to THAILAND, a country where they have the best and most abundant durian.
If you have eaten DURIAN, you will experience how delicious and nutritious that fruit is.
Take away durian and he will be forced to beg for raw meat.

Title: Re: durianrider on youtube has holes in his food theory....
Post by: Joanne Unleashed on June 15, 2010, 09:48:11 pm
I'm grateful to durianrider. I was doing the 80/10/10 diet and joined 30bananas. I made a comment about eating meat and was ganged up on by those folks.

It was durianrider who finally convinced me that I no longer wanted to be associated with those people, and I turned to the paleo diet. So I have him to thank that I'm back to eating meat.
Title: Re: durianrider on youtube has holes in his food theory....
Post by: mark on June 18, 2010, 02:21:28 pm
Durianrider doesnt live in Thailand as I went to his latest talk in Byron Bay and asked him about it. He does visit Thailand each year though. He said that whilst durian is great, its too be eaten in season only as the fat content is too high to be a year round staple.

He is a funny cat but a bit out there I agree. He says that he trained with Lance Armstrong and Oscar Pereiro last year and learnt that they do b12 injections on a weekly basis so he decided to give it a go. I bet Durianrider is on some steroids or blood boosters cos his blood profiles look very suspicious for someone claiming to eat 'natural'. His high red blood cell count, low homocysteine, high testostorone and hemoglobin are suspicious and the fact he is racing Div 1 on his road bike in Australia proves he is on some sort of dope.

I dont think making vids about him will do anything as he seems to fuel his fire on drama that gets created about him. Have you seen the latest video he posted on youtube? He claims its his mate in North Queensland. Bull shit!

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Anyway, i will keep watching his vids cos he does have a hot girlfriend and I like to watch her eat durian!! I just cant imagine how a scrawny vegan cyclist marathon runner gets a lusty chick like that. He must have a lot of money or a donger like a horse! Or maybe Freelee feels sorry for him..Yeah that sounds more like it..



Title: Re: durianrider on youtube has holes in his food theory....
Post by: actionhero on June 18, 2010, 08:38:54 pm
...

Hi Harley, welcome to our forum.
Title: Re: Merged DR discussions...
Post by: Hans89 on June 23, 2010, 10:41:31 pm
http://www.30bananasaday.com/forum/topics/what-would-i-look-like-on (http://www.30bananasaday.com/forum/topics/what-would-i-look-like-on)

He posted some pics (you'll have to scroll down below the manipulated one)... doesn't look that bad at all. I guess the amount of calories he eats do give him an edge over the stick-man vegans.
Title: Re: Merged DR discussions...
Post by: ForTheHunt on June 24, 2010, 02:32:27 am
he looks great
Title: Re: Merged DR discussions...
Post by: actionhero on June 24, 2010, 04:35:44 am
He's half raw paleo.

But he's missing raw meat so that's why he has to inject b12 to stay functional.

Does anyone know what's it like to eat 3000-8000cal from fruit every day?

I do. It's not fun trust me.

You stuff yourself until you feel like a preggo and a couple hours later you're hungry again.

I've been both 80/10/10 and Zero Carb Carnivore. The fruit diet doesn't even come close.
 
Title: Re: Merged DR discussions...
Post by: goodsamaritan on June 24, 2010, 06:37:51 am
Hey Hans89, are you DR in disguise?  
Why do you keep promoting that guy?
Do you have any success with being FRUITARIAN?
Title: Re: Merged DR discussions...
Post by: Hans89 on June 24, 2010, 03:32:35 pm
Hey Hans89, are you DR in disguise?  
Why do you keep promoting that guy?
Do you have any success with being FRUITARIAN?


How do I promote the guy? Can you provide some proof for that? There have been a lot of posts on him by other people on here. He just posted this photo on his facebook, I checked it out and was quite surprised about how good he looks.... something worth discussing, methinks. He might be cheating, who knows. Btw, he is not 100% fruitarian but also eats some greens.
Title: Re: Merged DR discussions...
Post by: goodsamaritan on June 24, 2010, 06:56:14 pm
Ah well in that case, my teacher Barefoot Herbalist MH promotes fruitarianism and he's doing quite well.  Albeit he doesn't have teeth anymore because he lost them during his SAD days and blames dairy for it.

I believe Barefoot gets by with his fruitarianism because he makes what he calls longevity spices.  These are his blend of nuts and fruits that grow in his surroundings.  He's found a combination of fruitarian food that works for him.

Durian rider survives because durian is cheap and plentiful in Thailand.  Durian is the key.

I remember Iguana saying when he was in Thailand he had a 90% durian diet for weeks and weeks... crazy.

When we were healing my son of TB I there was that 2 week period during durian season when he ate a 50/50 diet of durian and raw bloody beef.  I invested in durians to treat my son.

There is a German guy and his family who are vegan / fruitarian and he says the #1 key fruit is durian.  It is an ancient - aka - paleo fruit that is the most nutritious.  Plus they process a pound of raw greens a day.

I have access to durians here in Manila, but they are just sooo expensive I can't make it a staple food.
Title: Re: Merged DR discussions...
Post by: Hans89 on June 24, 2010, 07:10:52 pm
What's in durian that's so special? I've only eaten it once, so expensive here. Durianrider lives in Australia afaik, not sure about the durian situation there. He just went to Thailand (for vacation?) and made some videos I guess. I wonder about the importance of eating / juicing greens. Some guy on youtube said it was key for the success of raw veganism. Personally I'd love to eat some more fruit, but my body seems to reject more than a little. I blame fructose and maybe certain acids. Maybe I can resolve this somehow, not sure.
Title: Re: Merged DR discussions...
Post by: alphagruis on June 24, 2010, 07:48:22 pm
Durian is certainly a unique fruit with a lot of protein and maybe other nutriments and overall nutriment density not found in other fruits and it would be of great interest to know if man can indeed survive on it's monodiet over a prolonged period of many years. A few months is certainly OK. As every fruit it's seasonal and no wild animal or any of our paleo ancestors could probably eat this fruit the whole year round.

My experience with it is that I systematically tend to overeat it because it tastes so great. This makes me sleepy as a snake after a monthly meal.

By the way DR's 3000 to 8000 cal a day of fruit and greens seems crazy. I doubt that he has done or can do this over a prolonged period and most of this food is probably not properly digested.  





  
Title: Re: Merged DR discussions...
Post by: ForTheHunt on June 24, 2010, 09:35:37 pm
Durian is certainly a unique fruit with a lot of protein and maybe other nutriments and overall nutriment density not found in other fruits and it would be of great interest to know if man can indeed survive on it's monodiet over a prolonged period of many years. A few months is certainly OK. As every fruit it's seasonal and no wild animal or any of our paleo ancestors could probably eat this fruit the whole year round.

My experience with it is that I systematically tend to overeat it because it tastes so great. This makes me sleepy as a snake after a monthly meal.

By the way DR's 3000 to 8000 cal a day of fruit and greens seems crazy. I doubt that he has done or can do this over a prolonged period and most of this food is probably not properly digested.  





  

He's a long-distance athlete. He trains all day so so he can eat that much with out problems.
Title: Re: Merged DR discussions...
Post by: carnivore on June 25, 2010, 12:24:35 am
Durian is certainly a unique fruit with a lot of protein and maybe other nutriments and overall nutriment density not found in other fruits and it would be of great interest to know if man can indeed survive on it's monodiet over a prolonged period of many years. A few months is certainly OK. As every fruit it's seasonal and no wild animal or any of our paleo ancestors could probably eat this fruit the whole year round.

My experience with it is that I systematically tend to overeat it because it tastes so great. This makes me sleepy as a snake after a monthly meal.

By the way DR's 3000 to 8000 cal a day of fruit and greens seems crazy. I doubt that he has done or can do this over a prolonged period and most of this food is probably not properly digested.  

Durian has 1.5% of protein, like any other fruits.
Personnaly, I have troubles digesting it (burpings), like others BTW.
I know someone (instincto) who spent several months in Thailand eating only durian, he ended up almost dead...
Title: Re: Merged DR discussions...
Post by: B.Money on June 25, 2010, 12:57:52 am
I don't see what looks great/impressive in that picture... can somebody point it out?
Title: Re: Merged DR discussions...
Post by: KD on June 25, 2010, 01:41:21 am
I don't see what looks great/impressive in that picture... can somebody point it out?


I've 'followed' this guy for 5 years and havn't seen any remarkable improvement in physique or performance and he comes across as more and more unhealthy in the same manner as buddies of mine who were actually on the diet longer and than finally crapped out. I've seen ultra-marathoners with much better builds and muscle tone and ones that even win that are conventional vegans so its not just neglecting animal fats and proteins. For someone that dedicates their life to pursuing health (and now probably has an excessive bankroll to do so due to thousand dollar consultations) he's clearly not getting the best results from the proposed best methods. So to me the points about him looking good would only be from the perspective of one who already had a very poor opinion of the possibility of doing well on such a diet or one who is on the diet that has an incredibly distorted concept of what is healthy.

Honestly if I knew nothing about this person and I saw him squatting next to a building smoking a cigarette with a fast food visor on it I wouldn't turn my head.

Although taking in more range of fatty fruits throughout the year and living in the tropics are major advantages, I know people in the NE for most of their stint on this approach so this isn't exactly a valid criticism and should not validate it as an acceptable strategy for overcoming issues. I also think he is known like many to neglect most 'overt' fats for most of the year so I think it has more to do with the simple idea that people can live for a long time and burn nitro, but not hide from the cellular damage and toxic matter interacting with fruit sugar.  In the end the ignored warning signs and inevitable breakdown is sad and scary to watch. Its not just an issue of deficiency of fats or proteins as the conventional vegans would certainly be the first to go down or have performance issues.

That said he probably is right in a number of ways where he dissuades people from fasting and under eating and all the other myths of breathetarianism and such so fantasized by most in the raw vegan movement. embracing things like b-12 etc and not all the standard NH bullshit. He does seem to look a little fuller in the most recent shots, so kudos for that.

 
Title: Re: Merged DR discussions...
Post by: ForTheHunt on June 25, 2010, 06:00:43 am
I don't see what looks great/impressive in that picture... can somebody point it out?

He looks healthy and happy.
Title: Re: Merged DR discussions...
Post by: goodsamaritan on June 25, 2010, 06:30:21 am
Maybe it is the combination of:

- His genetic traits.
- The fruits he eats
- The activity he does
- The vasectomy he got (this perverts human anatomy more than people commonly think)

He's not obsessed with gaining health as we are.
(if he was obsessed about health he would never get a vasectomy)

What is more important for him is that his wishful thinking that cute cuddly lovable animals should not be eaten.  Why he thinks nature should be so savage about its FOOD CHAIN.  His mission is to turn humans from being TOP PREDITOR to HERBIVORE.

Paul Nison took a long time before he was forced to eat animal food.
As Dr Stanly Bass said, all extreme diets have limited value.

It is RPD that is the human normal.

I hopped around diets because I was looking to gain health because I lost sooo much health.  I wanted to gain a lot of health.  This is why I do RPD.  And this is why we are here, to gain the best health possible.

Title: Re: Merged DR discussions...
Post by: Nation on June 25, 2010, 07:44:14 am
In one of his video, he says he doesn't often eat durians because it's too high in fat. Whenever he shows what he's eating, it's usually bananas and dates. The 80/10/10 diet is for the most part a banana-date diet, it's pretty difficult to get ~1800 calories a day without eating either one. Most raw vegans aren't even raw foodists, they're dry foodist, they eat so much dry food (which is usually heated). Durianrider isn't raw as far as i'm concerned.
Title: Re: Merged DR discussions...
Post by: actionhero on June 25, 2010, 08:52:42 am
His diet is blended bananas and dates, sugarcane juice and banana chips. He drinks liters of sugarcane juice every day. He can't just eat normal fruit and thrive. He needs 500-1000gr of pure sugar every day to keep the machine running. He spends hours on the toilet, urinating 14-16 times and crapping at least 3 times a day. This is what he goes through just to justify an illusion in his mind that he was not meant to eat animals.
Title: Re: Merged DR discussions...
Post by: KD on June 25, 2010, 09:33:49 am
In one of his video, he says he doesn't often eat durians because it's too high in fat. Whenever he shows what he's eating, it's usually bananas and dates. The 80/10/10 diet is for the most part a banana-date diet, it's pretty difficult to get ~1800 calories a day without eating either one. Most raw vegans aren't even raw foodists, they're dry foodist, they eat so much dry food (which is usually heated). Durianrider isn't raw as far as i'm concerned.

I wouldn't say its healthy, but I think dates that are dried on the tree would be considered raw, and I think most of the hardcore endurance guys eat raisins and things but only ones they dry themselves. I think that is raw. It seems they too have more contempt for these 'dried' fooders than for meat eaters sometimes even though I have seen meat being quoted as 'not raw' because it is dead. uh ok. I think even some high fat/dried raw vegans or high fat cooked primals seem to have more radiant energy and just general attractiveness per natural gifts, even though I would agree that vastly, the programs (raw vegan) of these 'successful' gurus are impossible to stick to which I think is the unfortunate reason people get sucked into the 'eat all you care for' model of high fruit. On vegsource back in the day he was a really cool charismatic guy, he had photos then of sad days and he still often looks and acts either worse or the same. This is totally objective as I have no gripes against vegetarianism, and even know a long term fruitarian (only fruit) who I consider to be in impressive health in many ways. I have no conundrum in wondering why many of these people do fine for many years.

here are some comparisons.

cooked primal /cooked/raw meat primal / cooked vegan / and 2x raw vegetarian (with animal products)
http://www.bradkearns.com/   - 44
http://www.colting.se/  http://www.slowtwitch.com/articles/images/4/704-medium_Jonas1.jpg   - 40+?
http://www.ultrarunning.com/ultra/moxiepix/b1_837.jpg -37
http://rawmodelcom.blogspot.com/2008/08/modeling-pics.html - 28?
http://images.tribe.net/tribe/upload/photo/46a/c8d/46ac8d14-d656-4a67-8f18-0e7bc82fd08d - 59

the thing about 'lfrv' is that they talk of big calorie amounts and so forth, but even with decreasing their activity they cannot gain even normal weight or muscle. You can of course build visible muscle tissue on vegans diets (and especially cooked processed vegan 'bodybuilder' diets) but not only will all the fruit take its toll but it clearly doesn't function as a normal 'calorie' or carries the nutrient present in animal foods for growth in either athletics or deep tissue and disease repair. I'm a hard gainer, and I know if I start taking in 3500,4000+ calories I can bulk up like crazy, so a few days off a bike at 6000+ should be insane weight gain. Almost all the people Graham had on these diets (even professional athletes with no health history) originally had crapped out or quit, and since he wrote the book even people mentioned in the book have quit. I used to interact with old school healers and stuff and they remember people in the 80's and 90's that would come in from frutarian diets after a decade or so and they wouldn't even be much to do to work with them getting better. Also that many people had spontaneously dropped dead during races and such. Fred Bisci and Stanley Bass who have been around like forever and have more years experience eating high fruit than most (including DR) other than a few old zombies will tell the same thing.
Title: Re: Merged DR discussions...
Post by: alphagruis on June 25, 2010, 02:51:51 pm
Durian has 1.5% of protein, like any other fruits.

Ah, I had in mind ( maybe because I was told by instinctos ?) that protein and other nutriments was substantially higher than other fruits....

 Reference, carnivore? What about other nutriments?

Anyway, eating this fruit always induced a strong feeling of satiety.

Title: Re: Merged DR discussions...
Post by: actionhero on June 25, 2010, 07:12:15 pm
http://images.tribe.net/tribe/upload/photo/46a/c8d/46ac8d14-d656-4a67-8f18-0e7bc82fd08d - 59

That's Dr. Robert Cassar, a former MD who injects himself daily with expensive HGH and claims we can live on superfood powders. Most people who go the superfoods route of powders and stimulants end up worse than SAD eaters. He only recommends these powders because he's been paid by a company to promote their products. He definitely has a impressive physique (see video below) but what you see is the result of steroids and hgh not superfoods. But people see his body and automatically associate it with the products he's promoting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUIimYiMGaw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUIimYiMGaw)
Title: Re: Merged DR discussions...
Post by: carnivore on June 25, 2010, 11:36:22 pm
Ah, I had in mind ( maybe because I was told by instinctos ?) that protein and other nutriments was substantially higher than other fruits....

 Reference, carnivore? What about other nutriments?

http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts/fruits-and-fruit-juices/2088/2

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Anyway, eating this fruit always induced a strong feeling of satiety.

Because of the high carbs (27.1%) and fat (5.3%) content.
Title: Re: Merged DR discussions...
Post by: KD on June 25, 2010, 11:59:39 pm
That's Dr. Robert Cassar, a former MD who injects himself daily with expensive HGH and claims we can live on superfood powders. Most people who go the superfoods route of powders and stimulants end up worse than SAD eaters.

yeah, I didn't really pick any people I necessarily thought were thriving long term. if I truly thought that they were I wouldn't be following RPD. I thought it was inappropriate to use people on this site, only gurus and athletes that had better muscle tone and looked well for their age (not that their skills or looks wern't deceiving). The very fact that they arn't actually doing well seems to be further confirmation that you can't fudge this stuff no matter how much crap you get rid of in your diet if you rely on unhealthy foods and combinations or ditch healthy ones due to theories and morals. Most people that eat conventional vegan diets end up with issues eventually as well, but Scott Jurek at least has a vascular body and actually wins races. He might have a longer career than some SAD runners but not necessarily better health long term than a healthy omnivore (even if not restricted to cooked paleo or primal nevermind raw). Colting, having the most RAF and least sugar probably will continue to race longer and live longer, but yeah I'm not saying he doesn't use any performance enhancers either, he claims to reject most non-primal things. The constant batter of steroids on this site and among vegans is so misplaced, there is a difference between an edge and a panacea. obviously anyone who takes steroids does not win events or look incredible. especially if everyone is taking them.

I challenge anyone to take steroids and see if they can get Cassar's results (as a disclaimer, don't do this). He probably has adrenal burnout from stimulants and such and all the other eventual issues resulting from vegetarianism (unless he's moved into dairy and such from bee products), I have no confirmation on steroid use but again he's made quite a transformation in 4-5? years and is almost 60, so if people object to his other methods as being unatural, it does change that he does largely consume those types of things and refrains from sweet fruits and not to mention 'looks well'. As I understand it, the guy was a multi-millionaire before starting raw, and a high fruit diet was not the technology he selected to get the results he wanted. In the choice between two deadly things, I wouldn't necessarily go with what is most natural seeming and I think that is an extreme false logic that people get swept up in. I believe alot of his magnetic technologies, fungal decontaminates and mushrooms and things probably have effected his tissue. Whether they work for everyone is not important to me other than the simple thing that you point out which is appearance is just one piece of the puzzle.

With fruit eaters they arn't passing these basic tests or looking well. I personally believe mastery of ones body is a requirement for being taken seriously as a supreme level of health. The actual build one chooses to be is a different story of course. but if people cannot build muscle and size with effort (like Cassar is able to do with 'raw' foods OR Jurek by not having excessive soft tissue due to overgrowth that Cassar speaks about) even eating thousands of calories above base metobolic than their methods are not superior for healing tissue (quite the opposite) and foods not 'nutritious' for lack of a better term. Not to mention the dangers in excess which have been pointed out by experts of many persuasions.
Title: Re: Merged DR discussions...
Post by: alphagruis on June 26, 2010, 12:52:06 am
Thanks carnivore.

It's fat and not protein that is high in this sweet fruit.
Title: Re: Merged DR discussions...
Post by: kurite on June 26, 2010, 09:07:38 am
Hi I was on one of my old raw vegan sites cause I still use their recipes and found a post by durianrider that said this.

"Ive got 9 raw paleo friends that are ALL low in b12 and they just eat massive amounts of raw animal products hoping to improve their b12 status but it clearly is not working and what is happening is their health and fitness is going downhill. They could just take a supp and all would be cool but thats not 'raw'..."

I wouldn't think less of any of you but is anyone on this forum actually friends with durianrider or know of raw paleos actually being his friend?
Title: Re: Merged DR discussions...
Post by: KD on June 26, 2010, 09:34:31 am
Before I started eating raw animal products, I was extremely deficient in b-12. I had pernicious anemia and had to get 2 separate doses (which is less than average I guess) of shots and that got me at the very low range and since then animal products have done me aces. He's probably right that many people of any raw persuasion are too blinded for their own good sometimes. Thats certainly no criticism of paleo. Theres plenty of vegans who are way more stubborn, seeing since there is way more chance of absorbing b-12 from animal foods than plant foods, even if animal foods do not necessarily correct the imbalances that many people (including SWD) have that contribute to the problem. Mine was definitely previous issues as well as veganism. Interestingly, Doug Graham does not believe in prophylactic treatment for ANYTHING, unless it is an emergency, and that all these things correct themselves with proper supervised fasting and 'proper' diet. So its great that he is acknowledging some faults in that logic, but its why the constant references ot SAD or omni folks, or paleos friends,  making it 'not there issue'. which is false still statistically.

judging by that last video, with mr. Tupperware fantastic, I don't think his 'friends' are going to be signing his birthday cards anymore.

btw.

why can't all this stuff just go in one single thread? Is this really worth a whole conversation? Also, since he's banned from almost every site other than his own, what the hell kind of recipes are of use there? banana chip trail mix? highly suspicious.
Title: Re: Merged DR discussions...
Post by: RawZi on June 26, 2010, 10:49:55 am
    I know a lot of raw paleos.  None have ever said they are friends with or that they even like dr.  I haven't taken a b12 supp in almost 20 yrs.  None of my rp friends have ever indicated to me in any way that they supp b12.
Title: Re: Merged DR discussions...
Post by: Hans89 on June 26, 2010, 02:19:22 pm
Durianrider and vitamin b12....


Here is his boasting with the great results of his blood tests:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4O_A6Mh1J48&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4O_A6Mh1J48&feature=related)

0:42 He's been a vegan for 9 years and raw vegan for 4 years
7:04 Presenting his vitamin b12 levels....... and he goes WOW

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ba_ok5KofKk&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ba_ok5KofKk&feature=related)

2:11 He admits he's supplementing and blames it on his health past (how long does it take till you can absorb b12??? Raw vegan for 4 years...)

And in his latest video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ziii06L4Oc4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ziii06L4Oc4)

7:47 "I'm not a purist, yeah I'll shoot myself up b12 injections in my arm"


OK.....
Title: Re: Merged DR discussions...
Post by: RawZi on June 26, 2010, 05:20:39 pm
Durianrider and vitamin b12....


Here is his boasting with the great results of his blood tests:
7:04 Presenting his vitamin b12 levels....... and he goes WOW

2:11 He admits he's supplementing and blames it on his health past

And in his latest video:
7:47 "I'm not a purist, yeah I'll shoot myself up b12 injections in my arm"

    His B 12 is  >1450 when normal range is 140 - 700.  From what I've seen with B vitamin levels in all the human bodies, if one B vitamin is high, a corresponding B vitamin is low.  He should show every B vitamin level at the same time.  What's his MMA level anyway?  Even with apparent good B12, doctors will check the MMA in a healthy vegan.  

    Arm?  When I was a skinny vegan I had to B12 it in my gluteus maximus, or use a smaller needle.  He does it himself?  Twenty years ago when I did it I could.  Shortly after on this side of the world you needed a doctor's prescription (which with my b12 levels being normal I could not get b12 rx) and a nurse to inject it.  I guess it's different in Asia and Australia.

    At least we know his age now on a paper, unless he has a sister named Harla, a young one.
Title: Re: Merged DR discussions...
Post by: goodsamaritan on June 26, 2010, 07:29:07 pm
Do people really need to do all these blood tests?

When I did raw vegan and raw fruitarian, I just had a weighing scale and watched how low my weight dropped.

I just had the constant aghast concern of my friends and family about how gaunt and thin I was getting to be.

Now on Raw Paleo Diet no one's complaining about the way I look. 

The only ones complaining I look too thin are the obese people.
Title: Re: Merged DR discussions...
Post by: alphagruis on June 26, 2010, 07:37:51 pm
Do people really need to do all these blood tests?

When I did raw vegan and raw fruitarian, I just had a weighing scale and watched how low my weight dropped.

I just had the constant aghast concern of my friends and family about how gaunt and thin I was getting to be.

Now on Raw Paleo Diet no one's complaining about the way I look.  

The only ones complaining I look too thin are the obese people.

Of course, they don't need these blood tests !

Substantial prolonged weight loss is a sufficient sign that something is wrong in diet.

Yet, these people are told by various dietary gurus including Burger that this is a normal phenomenon related to "detoxination"  ;D
Title: Re: Merged DR discussions...
Post by: actionhero on June 26, 2010, 07:47:43 pm
Here's the real truth about DRs B12 levels and why he MUST inject it to stay functional because his vegan nonsense doesn't work, he is Harley:

http://health.ninemsn.com.au/dietandnutrition/nutrition/695434/meat-versus-a-vegetarian-diet (http://health.ninemsn.com.au/dietandnutrition/nutrition/695434/meat-versus-a-vegetarian-diet)

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Remember, Harley completely cuts out anything to do with animal products and relies purely on raw fruit, veggies and nuts.

His results have got Susie really worried: "My biggest concern is that your vitamin B12 is one of the lowest clinical levels we have ever seen!"

Harley's B12 was just 78. That's drastically lower than the normal intake range from 145 to 637 and means our vegan could be susceptible to anaemia, blurry vision and loss of feeling in the hands and feet in the long term.
Title: Re: Merged DR discussions...
Post by: Nation on June 26, 2010, 09:37:23 pm
He's been raw for only 4 years and he's already vitamin deficient?  How can this guy have any credibility to be a guru? There are people who pay money to get health advice from him.
Title: Re: Merged DR discussions...
Post by: Hans89 on June 26, 2010, 10:12:25 pm
   Arm?  When I was a skinny vegan I had to B12 it in my gluteus maximus, or use a smaller needle.  He does it himself?  Twenty years ago when I did it I could.  Shortly after on this side of the world you needed a doctor's prescription (which with my b12 levels being normal I could not get b12 rx) and a nurse to inject it.  I guess it's different in Asia and Australia.

Some years ago I was experimenting with all kinds of stuff, also thought I might have a b12 deficiency, so I just ordered some b12 in capsules, some needles and syringes and injected it into my thigh. No prescription or anything needed.
Title: Re: Merged DR discussions...
Post by: cherimoya_kid on June 26, 2010, 10:37:27 pm
First--this guy has no credibility.  You people are elevating him above his natural level of credibility by even starting threads regarding anything he says. He's a liar and a fool.  Period.  Nothing personal, I don't hate the guy, but he is both a liar about diet, and fairly ignorant about diet.  Those are factual statements.  It's not a personal vendetta.  It's unfortunate that people like him exist, but, as long as dietary ignorance flourishes, people like him are likely to continue to exist. That doesn't mean we should discuss their lies and non-factual statements, hmm? Such things are a waste of our time here. 

Second--my B-12 levels were around 299 after about 18 months of raw mostly-vegan.  My last blood test, in may 2009, after 4.5 years of raw paleo, has my B-12 levels at 797.  Yes, that's right, 797. 

Clearly, since no other raw paleos here report low B-12 levels, DR is a liar.  As such, his statements do not deserve discussion.  You lie one time about diet, that's it.  Your statements don't deserve discussion here.  Why?  Because we are beyond dogma.  That's how we GOT here, or at least most of us long-time raw folks.  We tried the wonderful-sounding theories of raw vegan, low fat, etc., etc., and now we realize that empirical data is dozens of times more important than any theory. Whenever theory and empirical fact disagree, fact wins.  DR doesn't get that yet.  He is several levels below most of us, in that way.  We should no more discuss his statements about diet here than we should discuss the importance of eating all food well-cooked to avoid danerous bacteria. DR has nothing to say on diet that is worth us repeating here.
Title: Re: Merged DR discussions...
Post by: goodsamaritan on June 26, 2010, 11:07:12 pm
Well said.

This DR guy does not deserve 3 threads? Geezzzz....

Maybe it's time I consolidate his threads into 1 thread. If you have something to say about this guy, it's in just one thread.
Title: Re: Merged DR discussions...
Post by: RawZi on June 26, 2010, 11:58:55 pm
His diet is blended bananas and dates, sugarcane juice and ... toilet, urinating 14-16 times and crapping at least 3 times a day. This is what he goes through just to justify an illusion in his mind that he was not meant to eat animals.

    Yeah, I did similar.  On a fruitarian diet if ate enough I constantly had stomach cramps and was running to the bathroom 60/24/7.  He always tells everyone to eat more.  On cooked vegan I never crapped less than four x/day, until I guess my peristalsis just stopped maybe due to scarring from crapping so much and not enough fat or protein to heal and no vegan food could get my bowels moving.  I completely ignored the Chinese Traditional Medicine doctors advice on diet (the part that I needed land or even sea meat/animal food) and that according to them I was crapping too often and too much for it to be a healthy sign.  I assumed crapping a lot was a sign of good health, no matter how unformed or even worse in any way. 

    Last I checked about two years ago he was drinking celery/banana/rocket/water smoothies too.  I guess celery and rocket had something wrong with them.  He's not eating ten heads of lettuce for dinner anymore?  That was like two years ago too.  They are crazy lipophobic, sorry. Nothing wrong with a few lipids in a raw diet. 

    In his forum they consider it normal to pee 20 and more times per day.  If you complain that you can't sleep because you're peeing all night long, they ban you if you've been following all their other guidelines.  Everyone must be uniform that the same extremely high sweet fruit diet is what works.  He deletes threads every time he disagrees with them, which is often.  They're a forum of bulimics and anorexics finding what to do with the endless buzzing in their heads.  I hope everyone heals.
Title: Re: Merged DR discussions...
Post by: mark on July 05, 2010, 03:24:00 pm
Durianrider claims he ran the Gold Coast Marathon yesterday, but how on earth would you do that on a diet deficient in saturated fat? He has got a fair bit of muscle/endurance for a vegan..I bet he takes steroids and CERA.

http://durianrider.wordpress.com/
Title: Re: Merged DR discussions...
Post by: wodgina on July 05, 2010, 06:07:09 pm
Durianrider claims he ran the Gold Coast Marathon yesterday, but how on earth would you do that on a diet deficient in saturated fat? He has got a fair bit of muscle/endurance for a vegan..I bet he takes steroids and CERA.

http://durianrider.wordpress.com/

Don't harass us.
Title: Re: durianrider on youtube has holes in his food theory....
Post by: PaleoPhil on July 19, 2010, 06:21:16 am
Here's a rejoinder to the 30-bananas-a-day proponents who claim that meat eating is so terribly bad for the environment compared to their extreme diet:

Giving Up Bananas to Help Save the Environment:
23:52 "It seems to me in this country we have yet to assign any moral value to the overconsumption of the world's limited resources. .... If you can afford it, it's OK to use it. That seems to be the only rule. There are many, many paths toward finding a better and more sustainable way to live in the world. Some people do it by giving up meat, I did it by giving up bananas because when I think about all those fossil fuels that are burned in a refrigerated cargo hold to get that stuff to me, that didn't seem cruelty free to me. I wanted to find another way to live that would brighten the prospects of my children's time on this earth." --Barbara Kingsolver, author of Animal, Vegetable, Miracle, in an interview on Speaking of Faith with Krista Tippett, http://speakingoffaith.publicradio.org/programs/2010/ethics-of-eating/
Title: Re: durianrider on youtube has holes in his food theory....
Post by: Nation on July 19, 2010, 11:52:04 am
Sign up on 30b.a.d and post that.
Title: Re: durianrider on youtube has holes in his food theory....
Post by: wodgina on August 02, 2010, 10:36:30 pm
Durianrider drank 21 litres of cane juice in a weekend recently! Pretty amazing.

Cane fields have a huge environmental impact.
Title: Re: durianrider on youtube has holes in his food theory....
Post by: ezekiel on August 04, 2010, 02:15:39 am
Check out this video, i commented below and have a debate with durianrider and some other guy.

Scroll down to my comments, I am s7934777. Good debate, check it out. Double click on the video to go to youtube where you can see the comments!

http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments=1&v=A6j9JB2vJn8
Title: Re: durianrider on youtube has holes in his food theory....
Post by: ezekiel on August 04, 2010, 02:23:52 am
HERE IT GOES ALL COPIED AND PASTED
s7934777
Wild pigs are healthy for the body. Wild boar is what people should be eating.

Not those pigs in your video.

Get real, things live things die. Humans are natural hunters. Raw meat is good for you. Why lie to yourself.


82Bdog
@s7934777 Uh sure buddy! Why lie to yourself? There is no science to back up what you just said. That seems like alot of trouble to go through just for some food. When? you could just eat some fruit. Hunting is not natural that's why we have to make things like guns and other weapons to do it.


s7934777
@82Bdog Eliminate all the domesticated genetically modified fruit you eat and tell me what you find in the wild? Go into the wild and expect to eat a bunch of gmo bananas? Fruit is seasonal, wild bananas have large seeds etc. This fruit paradise you want to believe is only possible through shipping, fruit farms, selective breeding and scientist.

Raw wild meat is available all year round on every continent. Raw wild edible fruits (native to a certain region I might add) are seasonal!


durianriders
@s7934777 Watch my next vid about redneck meat eaters preaching death on a plate as 'health food'. :)


s7934777
@durianriders Be sure to interview me!


adamc404
@s7934777 go out into nature with nothing, no guns no knives, spears etc.. we'll see how many wild boars you catch.


s7934777
@adamc404 Oh really, humans have this great mind for millions of years and haven't evolved with tools? Even chimps use tools. Get real my friend, we evolved with tool making.

By the way, are ancestors hunting in packs as do chimps. No animal on this earth stands a chance against some hungry humans.


s7934777
@adamc404 The thing is wood is in nature! My tools are just waiting to be made!





Title: Re: durianrider on youtube has holes in his food theory....
Post by: miles on August 04, 2010, 04:57:03 am
Why didn't you tell him that we can hunt naked and without weapons anyway? Which we can.
Title: Re: durianrider on youtube has holes in his food theory....
Post by: goodsamaritan on August 04, 2010, 06:04:25 am
picking shells, crabs, sea urchins, spearing fish, picking worms, snails, frogs, dodo birds and grubs are dead easy.
Title: Re: durianrider on youtube has holes in his food theory....
Post by: cliff on August 04, 2010, 06:12:18 am


s7934777
@82Bdog Eliminate all the domesticated genetically modified fruit you eat and tell me what you find in the wild? Go into the wild and expect to eat a bunch of gmo bananas? Fruit is seasonal, wild bananas have large seeds etc. This fruit paradise you want to believe is only possible through shipping, fruit farms, selective breeding and scientist.


There is no such thing as gmo bananas, the only fruit that are GMO are Hawaiian papayas.  Great points otherwise.

I don't get how vegans/raw foodist/fruitarians can act like fruit and other produce equivalent to our modern crops can be found in the wild.  Its just not reality.  They need to be stranded in the wild maybe then they'll realize animal foods are the easiest to obtain in nature.

Good point about the hunting miles, persistent hunting FTW
Title: Re: durianrider on youtube has holes in his food theory....
Post by: ezekiel on August 04, 2010, 07:49:18 am
Yeah we could hunt bare handed. But some tools you don't even need to make or need very little work. Throw a stone, throwing stick. Etc.

I just wanted to make the point clear that making tools is a natural part of human life. Even certain plant foods are best gathered with tools!
;) But yeah, many animals can be hunted or gathered without tools.


Bananas aren't genetically modified? Either through selective breeding or scientist. The genes are different and/or morphed into something much different than the wild version. I think the genetic makeup must be a little different.

http://xmb.stuffucanuse.com/xmb/image.php?&aid=1205&wild-banana.jpg

vs

http://collectingtokens.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/banana_peeled1.png


Something is very different in the genes....
Title: Re: durianrider on youtube has holes in his food theory....
Post by: ezekiel on August 04, 2010, 07:59:25 am
He won't give up. Neither will I. :)

adamc404
@s7934777 you're right and that's how tigers, bears, and dogs and cats do it?

(natural? meat eaters) with tools?


s7934777
@adamc404 No, they don't hunt with tools. They are too stupid and have no thumbs (hands) obviously. By the way, I can hunt with my bare hands. Especially smaller game (rabbits, turkeys, small deer etc.) I can also get mussels, snails, turtles, fish, insects very easily too.

We don't need tools to hunt. But wooden spears, throwing sticks, throwing a rock! These are very easy tools to make or acquire. I guess chimps are unnatural too huh?

Title: Re: durianrider on youtube has holes in his food theory....
Post by: miles on August 04, 2010, 08:38:39 am
You're pwning him xD
Title: Re: durianrider on youtube has holes in his food theory....
Post by: ezekiel on August 04, 2010, 08:51:00 am
I am sure he will come up with something.  l)
 ;)

At least they aren't deleting my comments. :D
Title: Re: durianrider on youtube has holes in his food theory....
Post by: Rob on August 08, 2010, 10:42:00 pm
One thing I find interesting about DR is that I once observed him show up at a raw vegan forum and he berated everyone for not be fruitarian. The guy is an extremist, and just wants to hear what he believes to be the truth from his warped perspective.
Title: Marnstein / Thefruitarian vs durianrider
Post by: ster546464@yahoo.co.uk on September 05, 2010, 02:43:40 am
http://www.youtube.com/user/TheFruitarian
http://www.youtube.com/user/marnstein
Title: Re: durianrider on youtube has holes in his food theory....
Post by: yuli on September 15, 2010, 02:44:45 am
Yeah I just was watching this guys videos recently, WTF is wrong with him, he says paleo is an "eating disorder"? I think he's more like a walking eating disorder. Even people that didn't hunt and had access to lots of fruit still ate insects.

Also I noticed for being where he is (nice, sunny fresh air, outdoors, and lots of exercise) he doen't look so healthy. Yes he's skinny but very little muscle, I have seen computer programmers with more muscle then that. His face is pale and gaunt and his nose is always red LOL - my nose got red like that when I was weak and didn't eat enough fat and protein...lets see how well he does living in the winter hee hee... plus he looks like any guy can beat him up by just sneezing on him. He kinda looks like a dude that came back from a long rave party or something. He is an insult to his own 'diet', by the way he looks and by how he talks.

I have already created a youtube account and will make some videos as soon as a I have time! I think there are not enough positive paleo videos but instead of making videos to insult people like him we should make informative and positive videos that are not extremist. That way the public can decide who's crazy and who's not :P
Title: Re: durianrider on youtube has holes in his food theory....
Post by: Brother on September 15, 2010, 03:01:57 am
He's a tool and he is very deceptive. He will make up things and tout them as fact. But notice this. Take a look at his videos all the way back from the start and move your way up to the most recent ones. You dont have to watch the whole thing, just look at him. Do you see it?
Title: Re: durianrider on youtube has holes in his food theory....
Post by: yuli on September 15, 2010, 03:11:31 am
Heh, I could only handle a mere few of his videos before I wanted to throw up...
When I have properly digested my food and have some time I shall try and observe more ha ha

I watched this one where he is running beside a girl on a bike, showing people how 'athletic' he is...ummmm I know many people that can run like that for a long time, even ones on SAD diet...and then the girl is like "I can hardly keep up with you on my bike"...I just burst out laughing, you kidding me is that how fast she can bike? She must also be a fruitarian....in that video they are making fun of their own selves its soo funny.
Title: Re: durianrider on youtube has holes in his food theory....
Post by: Brother on September 15, 2010, 03:28:54 am
The guy has stats to show. He is doing some pretty amazing things with his body, this should not be taken from him. I am impressed. But his personality is obsessive...at best. And manages to get booted from raw food foras and create drama wherever he goes. He is a grade A attentionwhore. And perhaps it is just me but I think he looks more and more trashed as time progress and he becomes increasingly disjointed in speech and logic. I have had my share of brushing words with him but gave up because I realised that I am not dealing with reason, but faith. I hope him and his girlsfriend will remain in good health in and past their personal experiment.

The video with his alleged AV following friend does not sit right with me. Obviously Aajonus is in good health and even if I find him extreme, I doubt he would deliberately hurt others. Its not his vibe. So I suspect that if AV saw the sorry state this friend of his is in, dont you think he would be told "youre doing it wrong mate"?. All the people here are health geeks to some extend, and if any of us looked that bad there would be regular post shitstorm. Do all the people who get poor results from paleo type diets just stay in their caves and eat their meat and thats why he is the first I have seen that looked that trashed from it? what is going in here?
Title: Re: durianrider on youtube has holes in his food theory....
Post by: Michael on September 15, 2010, 03:44:26 am
I have already created a youtube account and will make some videos as soon as a I have time! I think there are not enough positive paleo videos but instead of making videos to insult people like him we should make informative and positive videos that are not extremist. That way the public can decide who's crazy and who's not :P

I'm not sure posting YouTube videos is the best way of promoting our diet, to be honest.  I'm not sure any kind of promotion is required or, indeed, a wise approach. There are plenty of books and forums in existence already to provide people who are ready for the truth to gain the information they need.  We need to be careful we don't join the circus of fruitarians, vegans et al espousing their unique dogma to anybody willing to listen.

As you said yuli, DR (and his contemporaries) manage to make themselves look ridiculous enough on their own.  To anybody in their right mind subsiding on even SAD, DR is clearly another severely malnourished, psychologically disturbed individual to whom we should feel nothing but compassion.  Let's not ridicule or try competing with these individuals. 

Like the growing trend towards petty, irrational and personal arguments on this forum of late - it's completely unnecessary and serves only to risk damaging our own credentials.
Title: Re: durianrider on youtube has holes in his food theory....
Post by: yuli on September 15, 2010, 04:03:09 am
Don't worry man. I would not think of ridiculing him or even mentioning his name on youtube, this forum is another story because everyone likes a bit of rant and gossip we're only human. I would hate to make myself a clown on youtube personally.

The types of videos I will make will be very simple, for example preparation and recipe videos, various yummi meat sauces, and I love making various vegan dishes not because I think vegan is good diet on its own because I like to eat raw vegetables, so I'd show how to prepare many great salads and sides to eat with meat or to eat when you're not eating meat. Also how to prepare great deserts for those that can handle a little honey and/or nuts in their diet, and encourage people people grow their own fruit, veggies and herbs in their yard and show them how easy it is. I have to kill some of my raspberry bushes now cause they are getting out of control ha ha. Yet people here are still buying raspberries and apples in the fall )=

Also to discuss things like where one can buy raw-worthy meat in my area, and for example, what to order at a restaurant, reviews of sashimi places. etc etc

Yeah there are books and articles on this stuff...but people these days don't want to read, they want to go on youtube and search for a healthy diet, then they see clowns like the durian guy (by the way durian is great and yummi - but he is not, how come? :P ) and the video where he films the crazy homeless-looking guy eating meat, who can't even speak properly. Yeah I can go on the street, hand a bum a bunch of fruit and tell him to sit in a park and eat it while I film him and say that this is what you'll look like eating only fruit, but that's not in my style.

I have always loved preparing food, and I look great on camera (I had some practice here and there) so making my own free 'uncooking' show should be a fun thing. I am not going to even mention the vegan or fruitarian diets, its not worth it.
Title: Re: durianrider on youtube has holes in his food theory....
Post by: yuli on September 15, 2010, 04:17:41 am
The guy has stats to show. He is doing some pretty amazing things with his body, this should not be taken from him.

Maybe what I said was unfair, if he can be semi-athletic on a fruitarian diet that's really good for him. But still I think many people eating a healthier version of SAD can beat his records though. Is there any video in particular of him doing something physically amazing? Maybe I missed that.

By the way I am enjoying and posting in this forum it's quite fun, I will try to not be argumentative and judging of people like him but sometimes its in my nature and I can't help it aaaaah
Title: Re: durianrider on youtube has holes in his food theory....
Post by: kurite on September 15, 2010, 05:04:13 am
Heh, I could only handle a mere few of his videos before I wanted to throw up...
When I have properly digested my food and have some time I shall try and observe more ha ha

I watched this one where he is running beside a girl on a bike, showing people how 'athletic' he is...ummmm I know many people that can run like that for a long time, even ones on SAD diet...and then the girl is like "I can hardly keep up with you on my bike"...I just burst out laughing, you kidding me is that how fast she can bike? She must also be a fruitarian....in that video they are making fun of their own selves its soo funny.
Lol I followed all of his videos when I was a fruitarian. The girl on the bike is fruitarian. IMO the only reason he can sustain himself is because he blends like 80% of his food so its quicker to eat. Not to mention most of his diet is just bananas and dates.
Title: Re: durianrider on youtube has holes in his food theory....
Post by: ster546464@yahoo.co.uk on September 15, 2010, 10:08:17 am
Heh, I could only handle a mere few of his videos before I wanted to throw up...
When I have properly digested my food and have some time I shall try and observe more ha ha

I watched this one where he is running beside a girl on a bike, showing people how 'athletic' he is...ummmm I know many people that can run like that for a long time, even ones on SAD diet...and then the girl is like "I can hardly keep up with you on my bike"...I just burst out laughing, you kidding me is that how fast she can bike? She must also be a fruitarian....in that video they are making fun of their own selves its soo funny.

what video is that
Title: Re: durianrider on youtube has holes in his food theory....
Post by: yuli on September 15, 2010, 10:15:01 am
I clicked on it randomly and not sure which one, or what the title of it was...just search durianrider in youtube and I think it in the first few results not sure though.
Title: Re: durianrider on youtube has holes in his food theory....
Post by: kurite on September 15, 2010, 10:38:07 am
what video is that
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9f6mZOEBqY
Title: Re: durianrider on youtube has holes in his food theory....
Post by: Michael on September 16, 2010, 03:40:23 am
The types of videos I will make will be very simple, for example preparation and recipe videos, various yummi meat sauces,... I'd show how to prepare many great salads and sides to eat with meat or to eat when you're not eating meat. Also how to prepare great deserts for those that can handle a little honey and/or nuts in their diet, and encourage people people grow their own fruit, veggies and herbs in their yard and show them how easy it is...Also to discuss things like where one can buy raw-worthy meat in my area, and for example, what to order at a restaurant, reviews of sashimi places. etc etc.

This is sounds fantastic yuli!  I can't wait to watch your videos myself now!  :)

Quote
Yeah there are books and articles on this stuff...but people these days don't want to read, they want to go on youtube and search for a healthy diet

I get the impression you have the potential to act as a wonderful representative of the diet to the youth of today.  At 38 and after 10 years of eating this way, I'm obviously over the hill as I still prefer to read!  :)  But, you're probably right that the majority of younger adults and youths do refer to the internet for their information (for better or worse?!).  In this respect, it's important that the diet is represented in a medium to which they can relate and are exposed.  I do think it's important that you're 'time served' with this WOE before going ahead with such projects, however.  I think this would not only enhance your knowledge, deep understanding and ability to teach but would also improve your own credentials.  Perhaps it could even be a project you collaborate on with others from the forum?

Do any other long-term RPDers have any thoughts on the matter?

Title: Re: durianrider on youtube has holes in his food theory....
Post by: michaelwh on September 16, 2010, 07:17:12 am
This is sounds fantastic yuli!  I can't wait to watch your videos myself now!  :)

I get the impression you have the potential to act as a wonderful representative of the diet to the youth of today.  At 38 and after 10 years of eating this way, I'm obviously over the hill as I still prefer to read!  :)  But, you're probably right that the majority of younger adults and youths do refer to the internet for their information (for better or worse?!).  In this respect, it's important that the diet is represented in a medium to which they can relate and are exposed.  I do think it's important that you're 'time served' with this WOE before going ahead with such projects, however.  I think this would not only enhance your knowledge, deep understanding and ability to teach but would also improve your own credentials.  Perhaps it could even be a project you collaborate on with others from the forum?

Do any other long-term RPDers have any thoughts on the matter?

I'm quite a bookworm, and enjoy reading books about health and nutrition and many other topics. I bought a hard copy of NAPD, despite its online availability. I find it much more enjoyable to read an actual book, than to read a computer screen.

It's easy to read an explorer's account of how a healthy primitive tribe ate raw organs. But for a newbie, it may not be so easy to actually buy some meat and eat it raw in today's modern society. It would certainly help to see a video testimony of someone who's been doing it for a long time, with good results and no "food poisoning".

I think that this guy's videos are good:
http://www.rawpaleoforum.com/primal-diet/youtube-video-of-long-term-primal-dieter/

Goodsamaritan also has some good videos of his kids eating raw meat.
http://www.youtube.com/user/goodsamaritan55

And if you want some entertainment, take a look at this guy's videos:
http://www.youtube.com/user/TheFruitarian
He's a fruitarian runner who seems much more rational and polite than durianrider, but many of his videos are downright ridiculous.
Title: Re: durianrider on youtube has holes in his food theory....
Post by: yuli on September 16, 2010, 08:32:26 am
I get the impression you have the potential to act as a wonderful representative of the diet to the youth of today.  At 38 and after 10 years of eating this way, I'm obviously over the hill as I still prefer to read!  :)  But, you're probably right that the majority of younger adults and youths do refer to the internet for their information (for better or worse?!).  In this respect, it's important that the diet is represented in a medium to which they can relate and are exposed.  I do think it's important that you're 'time served' with this WOE before going ahead with such projects, however.  I think this would not only enhance your knowledge, deep understanding and ability to teach but would also improve your own credentials.  Perhaps it could even be a project you collaborate on with others from the forum?

I would love to collaborate on projects! I myself have not been in this diet for long so it is still an exciting learning process for me...

I have tried many diets however, cooked paleo, Atkins, vegetarian, frutarian, Wai, 'healthy'-SAD. I find adding cooked food to the diets (except for a rare treat) is what makes people revert to their SAD ways...even when I was on SAD I always tried to do the healthier version of it but it was very hard. Also besides some minor acne I had no health problems to cure but still kept trying different ways of eating because I knew something was wrong, it felt wrong...And now I know - that raw paleo is the diet for HUMANS, and that I will stick with this forever!! I have absolutely no willpower I like to do what I want and this seems to be the easiest thing and what I want, that alone shows its THE diet. Yes one day I may not want to eat vegetable anymore, or want to eat more fats, or LC blah blah, as long as its raw paleo! I have yet to find the best raw paleo combo for me...so far it seems mostly meat and seafood, fruits in season IN MY AREA (berries, apples...), some veggies here and there, and an occasional treat of either dairy or nuts. I do think the raw paleo combo that works best for one depends on A) where they live B) existing health problems C) genetics AND nationality (and this is NOT meant be racist I hope you agree) and D) your age!
 
I am web and graphics designer as well, hence why I like to stick to computers and Internet more then books...I love books, but I have been working with computers all my life and it's also all I do for a living. Let me tell you many young people these days turn to computers to find the answers, there is much false info, also much good info and I think we should add to the bucket of good info on the net. Besides reading online saves paper you can't argue with that heh heh just jokin  -X

I am busy with work at the moment but my work schedule is so random...as soon as I get something coherent going on this I will make sure to update everyone on here if they are curious or if they want to collaborate in some way.

Everyone seems to see this diet as weird, dangerous or just nuts...but I think and hope this will change with time.

Michael:
Thanks for the links I shall take a look  ;D

cheers

PS: my business trip got delayed to next week so I won't have to 'compromise', now I can go to the ST Lawrence farmers markets and see what goodies they got and ask them some questions. ...yay
Title: Re: durianrider on youtube has holes in his food theory....
Post by: pioneer on September 16, 2010, 10:20:52 am
I would love to collaborate on projects! I myself have not been in this diet for long so it is still an exciting learning process for me...

I have tried many diets however, cooked paleo, Atkins, vegetarian, frutarian, Wai, 'healthy'-SAD. I find adding cooked food to the diets (except for a rare treat) is what makes people revert to their SAD ways...even when I was on SAD I always tried to do the healthier version of it but it was very hard. Also besides some minor acne I had no health problems to cure but still kept trying different ways of eating because I knew something was wrong, it felt wrong...And now I know - that raw paleo is the diet for HUMANS, and that I will stick with this forever!! I have absolutely no willpower I like to do what I want and this seems to be the easiest thing and what I want, that alone shows its THE diet. Yes one day I may not want to eat vegetable anymore, or want to eat more fats, or LC blah blah, as long as its raw paleo! I have yet to find the best raw paleo combo for me...so far it seems mostly meat and seafood, fruits in season IN MY AREA (berries, apples...), some veggies here and there, and an occasional treat of either dairy or nuts. I do think the raw paleo combo that works best for one depends on A) where they live B) existing health problems C) genetics AND nationality (and this is NOT meant be racist I hope you agree) and D) your age!
 
I am web and graphics designer as well, hence why I like to stick to computers and Internet more then books...I love books, but I have been working with computers all my life and it's also all I do for a living. Let me tell you many young people these days turn to computers to find the answers, there is much false info, also much good info and I think we should add to the bucket of good info on the net. Besides reading online saves paper you can't argue with that heh heh just jokin  -X

I am busy with work at the moment but my work schedule is so random...as soon as I get something coherent going on this I will make sure to update everyone on here if they are curious or if they want to collaborate in some way.

Everyone seems to see this diet as weird, dangerous or just nuts...but I think and hope this will change with time.

Michael:
Thanks for the links I shall take a look  ;D

cheers

PS: my business trip got delayed to next week so I won't have to 'compromise', now I can go to the ST Lawrence farmers markets and see what goodies they got and ask them some questions. ...yay


Whats great about the net too is it is unfiltered. There is unfiltered news and banned videos from tv so we can all get a better understanding of what is really going on in the world. IMO, no news should be filtered; it is our right to know everything that is going on in the world. Anyway, thats my take on the internet. Never look to the TV for truth, it is all lies. Find good internet sources. www.realityzone.com is my favorite site for truth topics (if you're interested). I think politics and culture is the other side of the story to this diet. On one hand, government agencies, FDA, and such want to stick their hands in our business, and send us to a psychiatrist because we have "mental problems" so they can sell us drugs and make profit. On the other hand, people are simply just afraid of what they don't know; especially from being deceived for so long. If we first change the culture, we can change politics. That is why we must not be afraid to speak our minds and let everyone know we eat raw meat. Shout it loud, be proud of it, and let others follow you by your example of great health and success.
Title: Re: durianrider on youtube has holes in his food theory....
Post by: kurite on September 16, 2010, 12:32:22 pm
I would love to collaborate on projects! I myself have not been in this diet for long so it is still an exciting learning process for me...

I have tried many diets however, cooked paleo, Atkins, vegetarian, frutarian, Wai, 'healthy'-SAD. I find adding cooked food to the diets (except for a rare treat) is what makes people revert to their SAD ways...even when I was on SAD I always tried to do the healthier version of it but it was very hard. Also besides some minor acne I had no health problems to cure but still kept trying different ways of eating because I knew something was wrong, it felt wrong...And now I know - that raw paleo is the diet for HUMANS, and that I will stick with this forever!! I have absolutely no willpower I like to do what I want and this seems to be the easiest thing and what I want, that alone shows its THE diet. Yes one day I may not want to eat vegetable anymore, or want to eat more fats, or LC blah blah, as long as its raw paleo! I have yet to find the best raw paleo combo for me...so far it seems mostly meat and seafood, fruits in season IN MY AREA (berries, apples...), some veggies here and there, and an occasional treat of either dairy or nuts. I do think the raw paleo combo that works best for one depends on A) where they live B) existing health problems C) genetics AND nationality (and this is NOT meant be racist I hope you agree) and D) your age!
 
I am web and graphics designer as well, hence why I like to stick to computers and Internet more then books...I love books, but I have been working with computers all my life and it's also all I do for a living. Let me tell you many young people these days turn to computers to find the answers, there is much false info, also much good info and I think we should add to the bucket of good info on the net. Besides reading online saves paper you can't argue with that heh heh just jokin  -X

I am busy with work at the moment but my work schedule is so random...as soon as I get something coherent going on this I will make sure to update everyone on here if they are curious or if they want to collaborate in some way.

Everyone seems to see this diet as weird, dangerous or just nuts...but I think and hope this will change with time.

Michael:
Thanks for the links I shall take a look  ;D

cheers

PS: my business trip got delayed to next week so I won't have to 'compromise', now I can go to the ST Lawrence farmers markets and see what goodies they got and ask them some questions. ...yay

I was also planning on making youtube videos eventually. However I wanted to make sure I had lots of extra experience under my belt so I decided to wait. But I can't wait to see yours! Also is your avatar a pic of you because it doesn't look like you ever had acne at all.
Title: Re: durianrider on youtube has holes in his food theory....
Post by: yuli on September 16, 2010, 12:42:33 pm
yep thats me, ok I wouldn't call it REAL acne just annoying zits that kept popping up on my face here and there, especially during that time of the month  :'(
The pimples would heal pretty fast and be easily coverable by makeup so thats why you can't see them there, I was wearing makeup. I'd wear makeup outside so most people didn't think I had them...
Now I have none on my face, I think it was the toxins from the cooked foods, or the grains, sugars and processed dairy, either way raw paleo is doing the trick  ;D
Title: Durianrider article on wonderplanitz
Post by: ster546464@yahoo.co.uk on September 16, 2010, 07:54:48 pm
http://durianrider.wordpress.com/

hhmmm
Title: Re: Durianrider article on wonderplanitz
Post by: goodsamaritan on September 16, 2010, 08:18:37 pm
http://durianrider.wordpress.com/

hhmmm

The durian rider idiot's strategy is to attack Aajonus Vonderplanitz to attack all raw meat eating...

The durian rider idiot does not deserve new threads.  There is only one thread for the fruitarian idiot.

Any more Durian Rider new thread starters will be suspected of being Durian Rider in disguise. 

Remember that this crazy idiot does not care for your health or the health of your kids.

This crazy idiot thinks the world is overpopulated and so castrated / snipped himself so his own kind will not reproduce.

Crazy vegans like him don't care if they become sterile, impotent, non-sexual "androgenous" robots... as long as their "cuddly" animals don't get eaten.

He does not want YOU or I to be truly healthy to be cured of our diseases or to overcome our infertilities to raise our own families to raise our own children for generations to come.

Durian rider believes in his own DEAD END.  Good riddance.

While many of us have the true desire to HEAL, TO LIVE, TO RAISE families, to perform at our best.

Title: Re: Merged DR discussions...
Post by: wodgina on September 16, 2010, 08:31:42 pm
I kinda like him. Like that crazy mate who you never actually listen to way.
Title: Re: Merged DR discussions...
Post by: KD on September 16, 2010, 08:43:56 pm
ORGASM
Title: Re: Merged DR discussions...
Post by: Sitting Coyote on September 16, 2010, 08:58:04 pm
The article that DR wrote on his blog is tough to argue against.  The things he attributes to AV are accurate, as best I can recall.  I can't vouch for the stories about people he personally knows and their maladies, of course.

As I've mentioned on other threads, I do not hold Aajonus Vanderplanitz in particularly high esteem.  I don't think RPDers gain any value by associating with him.  I agree with his assertions in some cases, but it's easy to interpret him as a goofball because of some of his more extreme and bewildering assertions (eating shit, for instance). 
Title: Re: Merged DR discussions...
Post by: goodsamaritan on September 16, 2010, 09:04:47 pm
The article that DR wrote on his blog is tough to argue against.  The things he attributes to AV are accurate, as best I can recall.  I can't vouch for the stories about people he personally knows and their maladies, of course.

As I've mentioned on other threads, I do not hold Aajonus Vanderplanitz in particularly high esteem.  I don't think RPDers gain any value by associating with him.  I agree with his assertions in some cases, but it's easy to interpret him as a goofball because of some of his more extreme and bewildering assertions (eating shit, for instance).  

I have read Aajonus and first and foremost Aajonus is a healer.  Aajonus does not care about being on raw paleo diet.  He only recommends what he has experimented on that works for him and / or his patients.

The idiot troll durian rider cherry picks Aajonus quotes to turn it around and use it as black propaganda... aka OUT OF CONTEXT.

We as a group have something superior over Aajonus as a single thinker because we exchange ideas amongst one another.  We learn from each other, we learn from Aajonus.

I owe a debt of gratitude to Aajonus because as a healer I found him and his books and his writings and what do you know, aside from the raw dairy, most of his principles and healing protocols work.  

If it wasn't for Aajonus, I would not have found raw paleo diet, I would not have found Geoff Purcell.

Remember that Durian Rider is full of BS.

I bet Durian Rider's recommended diet does not work for YOU or your Family.  Keep that in mind.

But you can just lay off the Dairy and the Veggy juice and Aajonus' ideas will certainly work great for YOU and your Family.

Does Durian Rider have thankful people healed of their conditions because of long term veganism... Bzzzz not a chance.  We know veganism is just a temporary detox protocol.  Next stop is MALNUTRITION.

While Aajonus has people all over the internet thanking him for healing their illnesses.

Title: Re: Merged DR discussions...
Post by: Hans89 on September 16, 2010, 10:46:22 pm
The durianrider article...

I've seen some of his videos about AV, and there were a lot of untrue statements he made in those.

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Aajonus talks about eating green bananas vs ripe ones and that you should eat lots of white bread baguettes with raw unsalted butter if you get low blood sugar.

The second part of the sentence isn't true... He advised eating a little refined starch with an equal amount of butter, not eating lots of baguettes.

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One recipie Aajonus Vonderplanitz advises is ‘a cut of fatty meat, smeared with your own faeces and put inside a glass jar in the fridge for 6months plus.’

Well... That's not in his book and I don't believe it. The only feces he "recommends" in his books is that of ruminants, and in fact he doesn't recommend it, he just says that it has the same benefits as high meat and that he gave it to a woman who wouldn't wait for her high meat to be ready.

About his friends / roommates, there was somebody who commented one of his videos where DR told the story about the dead girl / woman, and the person who commented said that the dead female didn't truly eat what AV recommended. DR made a comeback, which made it clear that he actually new the person who commented. So... that is at least a clear hint that DR wasn't entirely truthful on that.

Of course I don't know the real story of the dead female or the guy who ended up in the ER, but some people just take the healthfood things to certain extremes. I read that in the 60s when macrobiotics were hip, some ex-junky drank a bottle of tamari (kind of soy sauce) and died. Well, the macro gurus certainly had not recommended anything like that, so it appears to have been entirely his fault.
Title: Re: Merged DR discussions...
Post by: yuli on September 16, 2010, 11:38:17 pm
The fact that he has to use fear and negativity to justify his way of being proves that he is afraid that more and more people will see the sense in eating meat, esp. raw meat. It's his last cry for attention, most people do this when they have nothing left...he can't say enough good things about his way, so instead he will fill his blog with hate and false imagery. I think most normal-SAD people think he is more ridiculous then us.
Oh look he is a PETA supporter, how surprising!  :P
He should tone down or some paleo will come to his house and eat him, just kidding  >D
Title: Re: Durianrider article on wonderplanitz
Post by: vladimir on September 17, 2010, 08:09:06 pm
http://durianrider.wordpress.com/

hhmmm

Why do we even talk about this Aussie anyway?  l)

Look, at his latest fascination is with Daniel Vitalis. Daniel cant even change his diet without DR prancing around in his 'go vegan' running outfit.

http://www.30bananasaday.com/forum/topics/why-daniel-vitalis-aint-a

Edited by the Wodg, this thread needs to stay civilised
Title: Re: Merged DR discussions...
Post by: vladimir on September 17, 2010, 08:11:03 pm
The article that DR wrote on his blog is tough to argue against.  The things he attributes to AV are accurate, as best I can recall.  I can't vouch for the stories about people he personally knows and their maladies, of course.

As I've mentioned on other threads, I do not hold Aajonus Vanderplanitz in particularly high esteem.  I don't think RPDers gain any value by associating with him.  I agree with his assertions in some cases, but it's easy to interpret him as a goofball because of some of his more extreme and bewildering assertions (eating shit, for instance).  

There is nothing to argue with people like Durianrider. Its either there way or the highway. Eating your own faeces is something many wild animals do. Just read 'wild health' Eric before you go putting Aajonus down.

Edited by the Wodg, need to keep this thread civilised.

Title: Re: Merged DR discussions...
Post by: Sitting Coyote on September 17, 2010, 08:54:58 pm
Eating their own feces is something a few herbivores do, mainly those that do not have the multiple-stomach digestive system of ruminants.  Omnivores, with the exception of pigs (which eat anything) and occasionally chimpanzees (which are largely herbivores in the wild) generally don't eat feces.  We're omnivores.  Feces is not something we're probably supposed to be eating.

And chill out.  No one's attacking you.  If AV wants to defend himself, he's capable of doing it himself.
Title: Re: Merged DR discussions...
Post by: Hans89 on September 18, 2010, 12:58:50 am
Eating their own feces is something a few herbivores do, mainly those that do not have the multiple-stomach digestive system of ruminants.  Omnivores, with the exception of pigs (which eat anything) and occasionally chimpanzees (which are largely herbivores in the wild) generally don't eat feces.  We're omnivores.  Feces is not something we're probably supposed to be eating.

And chill out.  No one's attacking you.  If AV wants to defend himself, he's capable of doing it himself.

That "vladimir" guy's posting style looks suspiciously familiar...
Title: Re: Merged DR discussions...
Post by: RawZi on September 18, 2010, 01:35:11 am
That "vladimir" guy's posting style looks suspiciously familiar...

    Vladimir, what part of Austria are you posting from?  Which paleo WOE do you like?  My brother-in-raw in Austria is named Pushemov.  Did you know I was here?
Title: Hey Harley
Post by: wodgina on September 18, 2010, 05:57:40 am
You do your thing we do ours OK mate?

You need to practice a bit more of what you preach about living life with no regrets, instead of wasting our time lurking around here.

Thanks.

Title: Re: Durianrider article on wonderplanitz
Post by: kurite on September 18, 2010, 06:54:47 am
The durian rider idiot's strategy is to attack Aajonus Vonderplanitz to attack all raw meat eating...

The durian rider idiot does not deserve new threads.  There is only one thread for the fruitarian idiot.

Any more Durian Rider new thread starters will be suspected of being Durian Rider in disguise. 

Remember that this crazy idiot does not care for your health or the health of your kids.

This crazy idiot thinks the world is overpopulated and so castrated / snipped himself so his own kind will not reproduce.

Crazy vegans like him don't care if they become sterile, impotent, non-sexual "androgenous" robots... as long as their "cuddly" animals don't get eaten.

He does not want YOU or I to be truly healthy to be cured of our diseases or to overcome our infertilities to raise our own families to raise our own children for generations to come.

Durian rider believes in his own DEAD END.  Good riddance.

While many of us have the true desire to HEAL, TO LIVE, TO RAISE families, to perform at our best.


Ha. I love it when GS rants!
Title: Re: Merged DR discussions...
Post by: RawZi on September 18, 2010, 08:20:38 pm
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Vladimir's Adventure In Thailand
by durianrider » Mon Aug 22, 2005 7:24 pm

no probs!!! v, pushemov is just an email name i started when i was doing some testing at the AIS a few years back. i was making fun of how much drug use is in world class sport.

v, pushemov was an imaginary track cyclist from east block europe, serving a drug suspension.

he was notorious for bashing people. 'roid rage'!

just a laugh between mates.
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    Yup, him.  Knew him from GI2MR.  Deceived his friends into lying for him that vladimir was a separate person, so he got to stay there for a year, while he was banned.  Finally Dhrumil found out, and .... ah well.  All is fun and games for some.  I already learned my raw forum health lesson- I normally only listen to my body, Aajonus and previously Ann Wigmore reference what does work for my body, in the health world.  I listened to that GI2MR and tried a green smoothie, and almost didn't survive it.  That was my lesson.  I shouldn't listen to ten thousand strangers.  My body has its own needs, and very few have any idea how my body works.  For those who can survive following him or any stranger, bless them too as I am blessed.    

    I see his profile is not on our member list, saw it yesterday.
Title: Re: Merged DR discussions...
Post by: ster546464@yahoo.co.uk on September 19, 2010, 07:03:44 am
http://www.youtube.com/user/TheRawvoice

his new channel, amazing

and a comment

primal diet, paleo, aajonus diet, roadkill diet, smear shit on a steak and eat it diet...whatever its all whacko and humans only started eating meat when faced with starvation.

join the ranks of the abundance mentality and increase the peace by going vegan or raw vegan. lifes short, eat a mango and pat a cow. 
Title: Re: Merged DR discussions...
Post by: yuli on September 19, 2010, 07:38:51 am
Can I pet the mango instead? They're so cute and cuddly!  8)
Title: Re: Merged DR discussions...
Post by: miles on September 19, 2010, 09:13:18 am
I like that Harley Johnstone guy.
Title: Re: Merged DR discussions...
Post by: RawZi on September 19, 2010, 12:00:58 pm
by durianrider » Mon Aug 22, 2005 7:24 pm

no probs!!! v, pushemov is just an email name i started when i was doing some testing at the AIS a few years back. i was making fun of how much drug use is in world class sport.

v, pushemov was an imaginary track cyclist from east block europe, serving a drug suspension.

    Pushemov, push'emoff, push 'em off a cliff, I once posted asking dr if before he became vegan if he was pushing crippled people off cliffs, just like he kept while vegan verbally pushing people in ways that could hurt them. 

    Also he did the same thing to Vlad last time, as far as right after a rare short post from Vlad, dr who watches rpf (and past GI2MR) like a hawk, started then too with silly posts as that vladimir that time from Australia.  He had the same MO that time, talking about men he's attracted to, like dr and av. 

    Vladimir...raw in Austria is named Pushemov. 

    Made that one up.  I don't know any brother in Austria.  First time ever, just thought it would stop him from posting here while he wasn't saying "I dr want to eat raw meat" literally.
Title: Re: Merged DR discussions...
Post by: goodsamaritan on September 19, 2010, 05:06:46 pm
http://www.youtube.com/user/TheRawvoice

his new channel, amazing

and a comment

primal diet, paleo, aajonus diet, roadkill diet, smear shit on a steak and eat it diet...whatever its all whacko and humans only started eating meat when faced with starvation.

join the ranks of the abundance mentality and increase the peace by going vegan or raw vegan. lifes short, eat a mango and pat a cow.  

Okay D.R. lover,  since you keep posting this guy's videos, I liked his comments about the formerly vegan  Susan Schenk.

The vegan diet susan schenk was on was horrible.  Too much seeds.

And that susan avoided fruits like the plague, that was odd too... unless susan had fruit sensitivities which we will have to ask susan.

I agree with D.R. on the issue of digestibility.  This is why I'm into fruit and raw meat.

Ster,

You can also do us a favor by posting here D.R.'s current daily / weekly meal plan.
You might also ask D.R. if he goes to the toilet to poop 3x or more per day.  :D
Title: Re: Merged DR discussions...
Post by: wodgina on September 20, 2010, 06:39:29 am
I bet there's more raw meat eaters in Australia than 100% DR type frugivores. I heard theres only 200 or so.
Title: Re: Merged DR discussions...
Post by: Michael on September 20, 2010, 07:00:33 am
Can I pet the mango instead? They're so cute and cuddly!  8)

ha ha  :)  Yes, who wants to pat a cow?!  I've never felt any particular emotions towards cattle until recently.  Whilst carrying my young son and walking through a field of cows and bulls they became particularly aggressive.  They can be fearsome creatures!!  Needless to say, we ended up running back in the opposite direction drained of any remaining guilt I may of felt eating them!  They wouldn't think twice about killing us!
 
Title: Re: Merged DR discussions...
Post by: wodgina on September 20, 2010, 10:03:12 am
ha ha  :)  Yes, who wants to pat a cow?!  I've never felt any particular emotions towards cattle until recently.  Whilst carrying my young son and walking through a field of cows and bulls they became particularly aggressive.  They can be fearsome creatures!!  Needless to say, we ended up running back in the opposite direction drained of any remaining guilt I may of felt eating them!  They wouldn't think twice about killing us!
 

LOL I have to admit cows scare me a bit too, they're huge when you get close!

Can I pet the mango instead? They're so cute and cuddly!  8)

LOL they are a little furry!
Title: Re: Merged DR discussions...
Post by: Michael on September 21, 2010, 03:18:14 am
LOL I have to admit cows scare me a bit too, they're huge when you get close!

They sure are!  The cows are bad enough but those bulls can be incredibly intimidating!  They're certainly not cute and cuddly like those mangoes! :)  There has actually been a number of incidents involving walkers being attacked by cows in the UK recently with at least 1 woman getting killed by an attacking herd!  I'm more than happy to let D.R be the one to go and pat those friendly cows!  :)
Title: Re: Merged DR discussions...
Post by: ezekiel on October 24, 2010, 05:46:36 am
Durianriders new video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH5ay10RTGY
Ok pretty off topic, but it reminded me of durianrider


edit: this what must be inside of his head lol, ok i'll stop, but that guy even looks like him
Title: Re: Merged DR discussions...
Post by: RawZi on October 24, 2010, 03:03:42 pm
 I'm more than happy to let D.R be the one to go and pat those friendly cows!  :)

    I patted a cow and a bull yesterday.  I ain't no vegan though.  Been there, done that, got the disease.  I have to admit the cow and bull I pet and play tag with are both pretty young, more like cow calf and bull calf.  They're strong, and when they jump on your bare feet it may hurt, although their live toes are interesting upon close examination.  They have big heavy heads too.  It's strange though, I ate adult cow brain and it was small.  What do they have in that big skull, all tooth and tongue?  Dr's a boring topic.  Next!
Title: Re: Merged DR discussions...
Post by: kurite on January 20, 2011, 08:28:21 am
Just wanted to give a quick update on a recent DR vid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CboTtd1YKL0&feature=player_embedded
He says that its just to make sure that you are improving yourself through blood tests but Im pretty sure its just cause hes constantly scared of getting a defficiency. As far as I can tell he has had about 4 different raw paleo room mates that all have "suffering health". Just saying...
Title: Re: Merged DR discussions...
Post by: Nation on January 20, 2011, 11:29:09 am
I love DR.