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Title: The Wodg Journal
Post by: wodgina on August 04, 2008, 08:02:52 pm
I've been very very slack with excercise lately it's winter and cold! so I've put my name down to do a couple of fun runs etc. writing it down here should help with motivation too.

One is in three weeks, it's 12 km run which is relatively flat with a couple of small hills mainly on bitumen. I 've done no real training except for a few sporadic 4-5 km easy runs. The run is is three weeks time so I've only just got time to run my shoes in. I did this run a few times in the past.

Age 8 - I did it in 64 minutes, beat my phys ed teacher!

Age 23 - 51min 6 sec (some training, I was really into parties terrible diet! Hungry jacks (Burger King) beer, bourbon.

Age 30 - ??? Zero carb  (no partying, 3 weeks training)

Another is in 3 months, its a 14km run with rock hopping, jumping into the ocean etc I have not done this before so I will see what sort of time I'm going to get. Hopefully close to an hour.
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: rawlion on August 04, 2008, 10:01:46 pm
Yeah, it would be interesting...

Will you fast for some time before the sprint? Just to feel lighter...?
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: Satya on August 08, 2008, 08:34:34 am
This is so cool!  Andrew, what are you doing for training now?  Anything?  Keep us posted.

And how did I miss this new journal?  Craig, can we extend the new posts near the bottom of the main page to include, like, way more?  How about 50 posts, pretty please?
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: boxcarguy07 on August 08, 2008, 09:48:11 am
I started clicking "Show unread posts since your last visit" when I ran into that problem
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: Satya on August 08, 2008, 10:11:18 am
Right, but sometimes when the unread posts are many, it is difficult to read under that unread post dealy.  I know Craig can reset it, as I see other boards with more shown, and so once again Satya is a pain in the a$$. 
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: boxcarguy07 on August 08, 2008, 10:13:26 am
Well, then, by all means! *bows*










 :P
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: xylothrill on August 08, 2008, 11:23:46 am
Great Andrew!

You remember what you ran at age 8? We used to have the Presidential Fitness test or something like that when I was in school but I never kept any of the results. That didn't make us run that far though.
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: xylothrill on August 08, 2008, 11:25:45 am
This is so cool!  Andrew, what are you doing for training now?  Anything?  Keep us posted.

And how did I miss this new journal?  Craig, can we extend the new posts near the bottom of the main page to include, like, way more?  How about 50 posts, pretty please?

From the fourth! I just noticed it too! Yeah, I will do.

Craig
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: wodgina on August 08, 2008, 06:15:57 pm
This is so cool!  Andrew, what are you doing for training now?  Anything?  Keep us posted.




I've been really slack this year but I'm starting up again, I don't know much about training and bodybuilding and will be trying to learn a bit more.

I usually surf, rock climb, beach run and for bodybuilding do weighted pull ups and weighted dips until failure. I'm keeping it simple and outdoors. I do the weights in my back yard in the sun, I'm not a fan of gyms find them pretty gross.

Oh yeah and I might do some weighted lunges for my legs.




Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: wodgina on August 13, 2008, 11:33:27 pm
Over 2 months zero carb now. It's been difficult holding to the zero carb thingy especially while working away and eating out but I'm doing really well. My work mate is eating natural oysters and 'blue steaks' as well now (there's a french restaurant here where the chef isn't afraid to serve almost raw steak) I brought away 2.5 kgs of meat/suet mix in a cooler bag which I've already finished (85% fat).

Since zero carb I've beefed up more than I was with RVAF. My neck is thicker as are chest/shoulders even without exercise.  I'm more cut as well. All meat suits my body for sure.

I now find even the smallest amount of cooked food effects me now. Less tolerance, get exhausted. I seem to detox almost immediatley with rings under my eyes etc. really putting me off touching the stuff.

I still need to start exercising but being away makes it difficult.

Cheers

Andrew





Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: Raw Kyle on August 13, 2008, 11:57:46 pm
Sounds good! I keep forgetting you live in Australia, that seems like such a cool place from where I live (New Jersey, USA).
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: Kristelle on August 14, 2008, 11:08:39 pm
Great news. Andrew! Keep it up.  :)
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: wodgina on August 18, 2008, 07:41:35 pm
Great news. Andrew! Keep it up.  :)
Sounds good! I keep forgetting you live in Australia, that seems like such a cool place from where I live (New Jersey, USA).

Cheers guys!

Today did a 6km run felt really good, fat burning  mode (diesel mode!) kicked in very quickly hit my stride early and I could of run 6 more. I had an ice cold shower to finish off, I've been a heat machine lately anyway so I've been swimming in the ocean as well (it's winter)

I've been running with these shoes, I would prefer barefoot but...

(http://www.hotfrog.com.au/Uploads/PressReleases/7141_image.jpg)


They have no arch support and almost no cushioning. Australian professional tennis players wore them from the 1930's to 1970's. There an icon here and people still wear them. They are only $25.

ps while I was running I was even contemplating doing my first marathon  :o (must be because the Olympics are on)

Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: xylothrill on August 20, 2008, 02:11:53 pm
Over 2 months zero carb now. It's been difficult holding to the zero carb thingy especially while working away and eating out but I'm doing really well. My work mate is eating natural oysters and 'blue steaks' as well now (there's a french restaurant here where the chef isn't afraid to serve almost raw steak) I brought away 2.5 kgs of meat/suet mix in a cooler bag which I've already finished (85% fat).

Since zero carb I've beefed up more than I was with RVAF. My neck is thicker as are chest/shoulders even without exercise.  I'm more cut as well. All meat suits my body for sure.

I now find even the smallest amount of cooked food effects me now. Less tolerance, get exhausted. I seem to detox almost immediatley with rings under my eyes etc. really putting me off touching the stuff.

I still need to start exercising but being away makes it difficult.

Cheers

Andrew

I was out of town the past two weekends and let me tell you. I had some coconut shrimp and had such bad indigestion and heart-burn I almost vomited. I wish I had because the heart-burn was relentless!

So for that bike, do you want it to be yours? I've thought of getting one. Not like that but a regular ten-speed or something.

I wish I could get people to eat like me! Good job in spreading the word!

Craig






Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: wodgina on September 07, 2008, 12:09:28 am
3 months raw carnivore now, pretty happy with my achievement.

I started to get a bit of hay fever yesterday I was hoping to not get it this year so I was pretty bummed. So last night out of desperation I thought I would eat a half a pound of ' high' heart, it did the trick, slept 10 hours and had a great day even though the wind was right for a high pollen count.

I spent some time sun baking today  and completed a 9km beach run on soft sand, felt good too, I'm happy with my cardio fitness, it's coming along nicely, I also busted out some weighted pull ups and dips too. I plan to get the kayak out with these nice days we've been having.

Been thinking about reducing my my work load, things have been slack in the business I'm in but I still want more time off! I know for certain that a calm life is important for health and although I like my job, I know for me, to truly be healthy I need free time. I know it sounds lazy and decadent but anyways for the moment I will  make time while working full time and see how i go.

I'm going in a 10km cross country race in two weeks, I aim to have fun and not be competitive. I'm a shocker when it comes to sports and going too hard.

That's it for now
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: Satya on September 12, 2008, 02:22:49 am

Since zero carb I've beefed up more than I was with RVAF. My neck is thicker as are chest/shoulders even without exercise.  I'm more cut as well. All meat suits my body for sure.


Andrew, I'd like some evidence of this statement of yours above.  ;)  IOW, a picture is worth 1000 words.  Before and after pics would be worth 10002 words.
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: wodgina on September 12, 2008, 07:00:01 am
yeah  I agree photos are good, I wish I had taken a photo when I was a skinny stick from my low carb diet. I'll definitely post a before and after set when I've been doing the diet for 2 years which isn't that far off.
I need a scanner for the before shot.

I 've got some   'in progress photos' on my phone which shat itself the other day.
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: wodgina on September 13, 2008, 05:12:09 pm
Well, entered my first race in over 7 years and this time zero carb  raw carnivore. It was a 9.6 km adventure cross country course with steep hills you had to climb up, rock hopping and slippery downhills.
I felt pretty good until I hit the first of many steep hills (which I haven't trained on),  so that killed me. I just didn't have the legs.
Did really well on the downhills and flats though

I did it in 51 minutes. Didn't get thirsty or drink any water on course except for a few sips when I got back to the car. Didn't hardly sweat and my brother reckons I looked like I wasn't even tired compared to the other people crossing the line. Recovered very quickly. Within a minute my heart rate was right down. I've ordered a heart rate monitor which I'll get next week. Should be interesting to see my how my heart rate changes as I (hopefully) get fitter!

cya's
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: Satya on September 13, 2008, 11:55:45 pm
Congratulations on your race, Andrew!  So, you'll be doing some hill training next time, eh?  Have you always been a light sweater?

Cheers!
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: boxcarguy07 on September 14, 2008, 12:01:49 am
Have you always been a light sweater?


Must... not... make... corny joke...  :'( :-X
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: Satya on September 14, 2008, 12:15:00 am
I know, why don't you be constructive and change my wording or something.  :P
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: Satya on September 16, 2008, 08:59:31 am
When I drank beer years ago, one of my favorites was Sheaf stout from Australia. 
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: wodgina on September 16, 2008, 10:34:41 am
I'm a beer (especially stout) lover, it's going to be one tough summer!





Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: wodgina on September 21, 2008, 12:31:03 pm
Life versus diet.

Had a bit of stress lately with health issues including giving myself a hernia, I pushed it back in, my doctor says that I should be OK and to take it easy and lay off weights...I celebrated with a fast 12 km run!

Went to a party last night, my friends came round and practically dragged me out of the house (I have been a hermit due to this zero carb thing) and I cracked and broke my 'zero carb rule ' I drank enough beer to feel a tipsy I had a good time it was great to talk to people and girls I needed it but am I ruining all my good work?

This morning I couldn't get out of bed because my legs were cramping all over with shooting pains. Still struggling now.

So yeah weird week. I'm back on the 'zero carb' path though.

Ps Love my new heart rate monitor resting 64? max 210!!?? wtf am i dieing!
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: Kristelle on September 21, 2008, 10:05:38 pm

I also met up with a group of friends yesterday and everyone was drinking except me. Still had alot of fun, enjoyed the conversation and feeling great this morning. You don't need to drink to have a good time...trust me you...I hadn't had this much pleasure in a long time...alcohol NOT included! :)
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: wodgina on September 22, 2008, 05:38:24 pm
I also met up with a group of friends yesterday and everyone was drinking except me. Still had alot of fun, enjoyed the conversation and feeling great this morning. You don't need to drink to have a good time...trust me you...I hadn't had this much pleasure in a long time...alcohol NOT included! :)

I've heard of people being able to do that :)

I could of had just a good a time without beer of just had 'one' in my hand the whole time. Just got carried away with it the because I've turned down so many invites lately because of the no drinking zero carb thing and almost forgot how much I love house parties!  It's a tough one, all my friends drink and most drink alot.

I'm back on my meat and water now.
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: wodgina on September 28, 2008, 07:37:37 am
My cramps are still a problem especially since zero carb. Mainly when I'm sleeping (in my legs) back and neck in my feet and hands when I'm resting.
I have no idea why I'm getting these bad cramps.
I have been adding salt and Azomite for months now and also included magnesium & zinc for months also but stopped. I have been eating large amounts of liver in case it's an acetylcholine deficiency.

Started to train aerobically for the first time,  keeping my heart rate in the 146-161 BPM it was tough keeping to a low pace when all I wanted to do was go faster. I'm enjoying this more and recover perfectly fine. Chucked in a few weights too.Other than the cramps I feel strong, endurance is getting there very slowly. I'm using my dad's very expensive!!! MTB bike which is fun and I'm looking forward to summer.

Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: Kristelle on September 28, 2008, 11:11:04 pm
Try to stick to zero-carb without any "cheat" days, adding no supplements at all, not even salt. Wait a few weeks. I predict your cramps will go away.

Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: lex_rooker on September 29, 2008, 02:12:06 pm
I'm back on my meat and water now.

Andrew,
When I tell people that I eat just meat and water the first thing they say (after they say I'm surely going to get sick and die), is that there is no way they could eat the same thing every day, day after day.  I wasn't sure I could do it either, but after several years of just meat and water, I look forward to every meal and I don't find the lack of variety a problem at all.  I've actually found that on the rare occasions when I do cheat, the forbidden treat is not as satifying as I thought it would be and I actually look forward to returning to my daily meat ration.

You've been doing the zero carb thing for a while now, and with this recent fling I wondered if you feel that eating only meat and water makes for an exceptionally dull existence, or was it easy to climb back on the meat wagon?

Lex

Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: wodgina on September 29, 2008, 03:09:32 pm
Andrew,
When I tell people that I eat just meat and water the first thing they say (after they say I'm surely going to get sick and die), is that there is no way they could eat the same thing every day, day after day.  I wasn't sure I could do it either, but after several years of just meat and water, I look forward to every meal and I don't find the lack of variety a problem at all.  I've actually found that on the rare occasions when I do cheat, the forbidden treat is not as satifying as I thought it would be and I actually look forward to returning to my daily meat ration.

You've been doing the zero carb thing for a while now, and with this recent fling I wondered if you feel that eating only meat and water makes for an exceptionally dull existence, or was it easy to climb back on the meat wagon?

Lex



In the last few years I've had many 'flings' due to my job/holidays and ALWAYS look forward to getting back to my meat mix diet.
I enjoy my meat mix I love the flavours especially after not eating for 24 hours. My brother also eats meat mix and likes the taste but has to make sure that he is REALLY hungry first so doesn't eat lunch or have snacks.

I was reading White Tigers blog and talking to my brother about meat/fat diet and whether a person can go back to 'normal' without more serious problems than before they started, is it once you start you can never go back sort of diet?!

Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: wodgina on September 29, 2008, 03:26:11 pm
Try to stick to zero-carb without any "cheat" days, adding no supplements at all, not even salt. Wait a few weeks. I predict your cramps will go away.



I think your right, I think the cramps will go away soon too.
This supplemental stuff has never ever done anything positive.

I've been heading in the meat/fat/water/no cheats direction for a while now.




Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: lex_rooker on September 30, 2008, 03:02:27 am
I was reading White Tigers blog and talking to my brother about meat/fat diet and whether a person can go back to 'normal' without more serious problems than before they started, is it once you start you can never go back sort of diet?!

No clue on this one, however, I would guess that since it took several months for my body to adjust to an all meat diet, it would probably adjust back to a more carb rich diet over time as well.

lex
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: Kristelle on October 01, 2008, 12:53:14 am
Why go back to "normal" and "unhealthy"?
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: wodgina on October 01, 2008, 02:19:36 pm
I don't want to go back to normal but once you get healthy via raw paleo I think your body may reset itself and detox every time you eat crap. I think most peoples bodies are so full of toxins and due to the constant onslaught they stop detoxing because there would not be enough time in the day (maybe this is the reason why people eat 3-5 times a day and really struggle even missing one meal  the body starts to heal and part of this is the detox, eating more crap halts the detox)

I think this diet could possibly cause problems to some who only wants to do raw paleo for a short while to resolve minor health issues.

I love my diet will never go back. Now all I need is my own farm.

 

Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: Raw Kyle on October 03, 2008, 07:41:36 am
I love my diet will never go back. Now all I need is my own farm.

Yes! When/if I get the capital to buy a plantation you're certainly invited. A true paleoland.

About going off the diet, do you notice any difference if you eat certain foods? Sometimes I'll eat something off my diet but stick to paleo foods or raw foods that aren't paleo but it's a slippery slope and sometimes I eat some real junk. I'm not sure I want to spend the rest of my life eating just raw paleo foods, but at the same time I don't want to go through a detox whenever I don't either.
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: wodgina on October 03, 2008, 04:04:26 pm
Yes! When/if I get the capital to buy a plantation you're certainly invited. A true paleoland.

About going off the diet, do you notice any difference if you eat certain foods? Sometimes I'll eat something off my diet but stick to paleo foods or raw foods that aren't paleo but it's a slippery slope and sometimes I eat some real junk. I'm not sure I want to spend the rest of my life eating just raw paleo foods, but at the same time I don't want to go through a detox whenever I don't either.

I've been looking at farms, I like the idea of growing my own food, It would be good to have a home in the city and my own farm producing food need $$$ but.

I was working a way last year a fair bit, I was still sorting out what worked raw paleo wise, I would bring a couple of days food and would run out.Then I would eat out. I would come home feeling like shite and dieing to get back into my raw paleo, it would take 1 to 2 days and I would feel better and would be back on the wagon. I hadn't really fell off though, more of a fling.

My thoughts - If I was healthy, not married and know what I know now about diets , I would make meat mix a large portion of my diet say 50-80% I would eat cooked food, drink, eat carbs,  so I can be social but get raw protein and fat too so I could have the best of both worlds. Eating by yourself all the time is pretty crap to be honest.

I think you can cheat and I would be careful about going 100% Raw Paleo for a long period,I think it may be dificult to cheat in the future and may be difficult to go back as your tolerance to rubbish food has been lost.

Hmmm


Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: igibike on October 03, 2008, 04:45:34 pm
I've been looking at farms, I like the idea of growing my own food, It would be good to have a home in the city and my own farm producing food need $$$ but.

I was working a way last year a fair bit, I was still sorting out what worked raw paleo wise, I would bring a couple of days food and would run out.Then I would eat out. I would come home feeling like shite and dieing to get back into my raw paleo, it would take 1 to 2 days and I would feel better and would be back on the wagon. I hadn't really fell off though, more of a fling.

My thoughts - If I was healthy, not married and know what I know now about diets , I would make meat mix a large portion of my diet say 50-80% I would eat cooked food, drink, eat carbs,  so I can be social but get raw protein and fat too so I could have the best of both worlds. Eating by yourself all the time is pretty crap to be honest.

I think you can cheat and I would be careful about going 100% Raw Paleo for a long period,I think it may be dificult to cheat in the future and may be difficult to go back as your tolerance to rubbish food has been lost.

Hmmm



I agree 100%.
I don't want to destroy my social life, so I try to limit the damage.

Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: Sully on October 04, 2008, 08:47:11 am
Only way to save your social life is to have friends who eat raw paleo. I let my nephew taste raw meat and a liitle bit of egg. He is two and gets fed crap otherwise.

Every time my mom eats sweets she says, ohhhhh you loved this stuff before!!!
She is over weight and has many health problems. She thinks blood pressure medicine and doctors will cure her.... l) I feel sorrry for her, but there is not much I can do.
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: wodgina on October 04, 2008, 09:04:20 am
No, there is not much you do. Even when family members are dieing and the doctor's are feeding them sugar water. It's a really tough one and something I still question myself over. I think it is not my place to say anything at all unless it's my immediate family.

You can always show yourself as a an example of health and when people ask just tell them what you do.









Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: igibike on October 07, 2008, 05:50:38 pm
Yes, but if I've found a way that is safer and healthier, I tell it to the people I love.
Then they are free to try, or keep on doing what they do.
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: igibike on October 08, 2008, 04:15:37 pm
Andrew, I remember of read about a so called "meat mix".
Where can I find more infos about it ?
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: wodgina on October 08, 2008, 07:31:12 pm
Check out Lex's journal, he was the one who started it. He gives instructions for his recipe.

My current meat mix recipe is:

400-500 grams of 100% grass fed ground beef
100 grams of heart
150-200 grams of suet
1/4 tsp of Azomite
1/4 tsp of Sea salt (my next batch won't have salt in it, owing to cramping issues)
* I will add other organs meats as I get more adventurous.

I put this in a food processor and grind it up put it in a bag and freeze it it.
I currently make up a batch the fortnight ahead.
 
I love having all my meals sorted for the fortnight ahead it works for me because it's less mess, I work weird hours and work away so it's handy having it in the freezer.
Andrew

PS I never get bored of eating this way, It maybe hard to believe but there's different flavours every time I eat it and I'm usually ravenous!
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: igibike on October 08, 2008, 09:18:33 pm
Sound good !!
I'll check it out.

Can you buy suet alone ?
Or do you mean rendered suet ?

What's the purpose of Azomite ?


thanx
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: wodgina on October 09, 2008, 01:39:12 pm
Sound good !!
I'll check it out.

Can you buy suet alone ?
Or do you mean rendered suet ?

What's the purpose of Azomite ?


thanx

I get an order which contains is all the organs as well as suet.

It's raw suet, most people on here refer to rendered suet as tallow.

Azomite contains minerals and trace minerals, I added it originally to help my cramps. It didn't do anything I may remove it it to see if there's any difference.

Good luck, it's handy to have some prepared meals in the freezer in case your too busy or tired to make dinner.

I'm also drying meat at the moment for pemmican using Lex's jerky maker design. I'm going to Queensland next month for work and need a source of food which doesn't need refrigeration and can handle high humidity. It's looking good so far!
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: wodgina on October 16, 2008, 06:54:57 am
My all meat is going really well. I definitely enjoy sticking to it. I've been eating pemmican as well so not all raw but it's the only way to avoid eating crap when I'm away from home. I like pemmican but I do get thirstier.

Ive cut out salt out of my meat mix (got rid of magnesium a while ago too). Cramps are getting better every day.

Were also going through a really bad hay fever season here which I always dread, everyone else seems o be suffering besides me which is great. Last year, for this time of the season I was dosed up on hay fever meds.

Trainings going well and have joined a running club, which has taught me a lot! I never knew how much more I can get out of my body. Been doing interval training...beach sprints etc. Eating raw has really helped with the springyness in my legs which I notice when sprinting. I'm one of the faster guys.

Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: wodgina on November 08, 2008, 09:20:51 am
I've been changing things lately. I thought I would add some thoughts.

It's becoming clearer to me that 'diets' can be an obsession created when people are not dealing with some sort of trauma, whether it's a passing of a loved one, stress, doing a job they hate, not fulfilling a dream, following someone elses dream or even procrastination.

When I'm upset I tend to not deal with the problem and it comes out in physical symptoms like cramps/panic/candida/fatigue/obsessing/allergies etc . These symptoms get so bad they totally distract me from dealing with a problem. The symptoms do their job...
I'll swear to god that my issues are health related so as to not clean my house/avoid breaking down over someone passing away or avoid confrontation.

I'll do anything I can instead of actually dealing with what ever's troubling me.


Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: goodsamaritan on November 08, 2008, 02:10:41 pm
I'll do anything I can instead of actually dealing with what ever's troubling me.

???? My engineering logic tells me if something is troubling me I'd better fix that problem because it remains a problem.  Unless one of the choices is do this... do that... or do nothing / ignore.
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: Nicola on November 09, 2008, 04:47:55 am
I've been changing things lately. I thought I would add some thoughts.

It's becoming clearer to me that 'diets' can be an obsession created when people are not dealing with some sort of trauma, whether it's a passing of a loved one, stress, doing a job they hate, not fulfilling a dream, following someone elses dream or even procrastination.

When I'm upset I tend to not deal with the problem and it comes out in physical symptoms like cramps/panic/candida/fatigue/obsessing/allergies etc . These symptoms get so bad they totally distract me from dealing with a problem. The symptoms do their job...
I'll swear to god that my issues are health related so as to not clean my house/avoid breaking down over someone passing away or avoid confrontation.

I'll do anything I can instead of actually dealing with what ever's troubling me.


But what about (from "How many carbs do you need)

The winner is an international professional athlete did 14km in 75 minutes which goes to show how tough the course was.

Obsession? Healthy? Why not have a look at Charles forum (his blog and Charles running journal)

http://www.zerocarbage.com/

I like the Idea of being able to run this type of event

Why, do you think you will be any happier for it? Or healthier...(dealing with a problem?)

I felt terrible during the race and craved carbs about half way through. I recovered very badly and could not think for about 20 minutes after the event. My brain had zero energy.

So now it's "the diet" when your body doesn't do what you expect and see how others make life worth living...

What about alkaline ionized water; for lots of energy http://www.ionlife.info/

Nicola
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: TylerDurden on November 09, 2008, 07:57:11 pm
A long while back, I too used to think that one's  "state of mind" was the sole or primary key to health. So, when I was in dire straits re dairy-allergies, chronic fatigue, I would go around smiling and trying to be cheerful Pollyanna-like. It may have cheered me up slightly, but it didn't do me a world of good as regards improving my health. Then, after I'd recovered on this RPD diet, I noticed something wonderful:- often, even when things were going wrong, I would feel dead-calm about the issue, and not agonise about the relevant crisis in any way, whereas, pre-RPD-diet, I would be constantly nervous and jumpy until the problem was sorted out.

I do agree that one's state of mind can influence one's health in  certain small ways, I just don't think it's all that powerful.
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: igibike on November 10, 2008, 06:18:09 pm
Nocola, I don't know if I misunderstood you post (maybe), but I think that if you don't understand/agree with one sportsman mentality, it doesn't mean it's all buillshit.

OR

It doesn't mean if I can't bear the event on zerocarb, than it's not worthy/healty/enjoyable.
Diet is a help for life, not a reason for life.
Title: extreme exercise: what for?
Post by: coconinoz on November 11, 2008, 02:21:33 am

overly intense, extreme, excessively lengthy, or non-paleo (bodybuilding etc.) exercise/sports are supposed to be a help for life; not a reason for life

Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: wodgina on November 22, 2008, 06:42:17 pm
I'm working away at the moment but I've been using the kids play equipment for doing pull ups, Dips and raised push ups. I'm in the tropics and there's a beach over the road so I've been doing swim/runs as well as I'm doing a triathlon in March. I've had a lot of people tell me I look fit ;)

Found a butcher 100 metres from the apartments selling ground beef for US$3kg it's a bit lean but does the trick. I've been eating bleu steaks as we have BBQ's and go out a fair bit.



Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: feral on December 10, 2008, 01:52:37 pm
How goes the training?  In another thread you mentioned that you would try carb loading before your next race... is the zero-carb thing not working out?  I know earlier in your journal you mentioned cutting out carbs helped you put on muscle, do you think it is now holding you back?
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: wodgina on December 10, 2008, 03:34:53 pm
hey, training goes good. Resting heart rate measured 51 bpm the other day down from 66 bpm when i first started training. When i first started zero carb i got more cut. I went back to carbs because of the amount of traveling i do, its almost impossible to be zero carb on the road. I havent raced with carbs yet and still prefer zero carb. I think zero carb can hold serious athletes back but im not serious.
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: feral on December 10, 2008, 04:07:15 pm
Thanks for the response, that heart rate is impressive.  I've generally had a quite high resting heart rate, even when I was in relatively good shape, and am hoping an improvement in that area will be another positive side effect of this diet.  That, and getting off my ass and out the door on a regular basis once more :P.
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: Satya on January 08, 2009, 10:47:07 pm
hey, training goes good. Resting heart rate measured 51 bpm the other day down from 66 bpm when i first started training. When i first started zero carb i got more cut. I went back to carbs because of the amount of traveling i do, its almost impossible to be zero carb on the road. I havent raced with carbs yet and still prefer zero carb. I think zero carb can hold serious athletes back but im not serious.

Hi Andrew,

What is your training consisting of now?  Will you be competing anytime soon?

It's winter here and I am doing more strength training and yoga in addition to my regular martial arts training.  When it's warmer, I do more cardio and less strength work.  I am eating much less plant food this winter than I ever have.  And I am craving seafood.

It would be great to know your specifics if and when you have time to share.
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: wodgina on January 09, 2009, 08:51:22 pm
Hi Andrew,

What is your training consisting of now?  Will you be competing anytime soon?

It's winter here and I am doing more strength training and yoga in addition to my regular martial arts training.  When it's warmer, I do more cardio and less strength work.  I am eating much less plant food this winter than I ever have.  And I am craving seafood.

It would be great to know your specifics if and when you have time to share.

Hey your back! good to seeya! still raw paleo?

Exercising once again and zero carb raw paleo again after  going completely loose over christmas/new years really really unpaleo and I paid the price!  >D I'm glad to be back  though :) and I would really like to ripped in 2009.

Not much to report much training wise.  Did a race back on November zero carb. I've got a few races coming up kayaking in our autumn and 3 adventure races this winter.

I haven't had seafood in so long, maybe 6 months but probably longer than that but I'm craving pickles as well as eggs two foods which I used to hate!





Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: goodsamaritan on January 09, 2009, 09:19:09 pm
Oh my gosh, no sea food for 6 months?
I'm scared at the thought.
Are there advantages to shunning sea food?
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: wodgina on January 09, 2009, 09:54:23 pm
 theres hardly any fat and it goes off quick. Shunning seafood saves me time and hunger.
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: goodsamaritan on January 09, 2009, 10:10:32 pm
theres hardly any fat and it goes off quick. Shunning seafood saves me time and hunger.

Sounds good.  May be worth a try if I can get enough land animal variety.
What land animals and parts of land animals are you consuming regularly?
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: Satya on January 11, 2009, 11:52:48 pm
Hey your back! good to seeya! still raw paleo?

Exercising once again and zero carb raw paleo again after  going completely loose over christmas/new years really really unpaleo and I paid the price!  >D I'm glad to be back  though :) and I would really like to ripped in 2009.

Not much to report much training wise.  Did a race back on November zero carb. I've got a few races coming up kayaking in our autumn and 3 adventure races this winter.

I haven't had seafood in so long, maybe 6 months but probably longer than that but I'm craving pickles as well as eggs two foods which I used to hate!

Thanks.  I am still paleo with about half of my foods raw.  It is what works in my situation presently.  I do benefit from raw beef and lamb, but also from fish.  It does tend to be lean, but if you eat marrow fat or whatever else, all is well.  But I will be the first to admit that each of us must find what works for our health, tastes, etc.  Certain cravings should be heeded, in my book.  I can tell the difference between the addictive type cravings and the "my body needs this" type.  But then, that is just me.

I do feel stronger eating less plant foods, and this winter, I am eating more seaweed than most other plants, fruits and nuts.  It's dried and doesn't spoil.  I think I need more iodine or something.  I want a bit of seafood daily now.  But it's the raw beef and lamb that improve my sleep.  Not that I have sleep problems, but as I have mentioned in the past, my sleep is greatly improved with raw meat.  Not so with sashimi.

I was pretty good around the holidays, but I haven't been sweating much lately.  Luckily, the weather here is highly variable, and sooner or later I can always hit the trail for a jog when it's warmer.  It's 27° F (-3° C) here now.  But I still feel kind of cooped up lately.  Oh well, winter is pretty short here.

Get ripped and show us the evidence!
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: Sully on January 13, 2009, 12:58:42 am
I think zero carb can hold serious athletes back.
Do you really think thats true?.... What about very low carb?
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: wodgina on January 13, 2009, 07:48:53 am
Do you really think thats true?.... What about very low carb?

Depends on the sport, I think sports like gymnastics where the routines last only a minute or so zero carb would be totally fine I just think sports in which you are in the anerobic threshold for over for say a 2+hour race whould require intake of carbs (eg watered down sports drink) during the race as to not hit the wall

Martial arts I think you might be able to compete zero carb or VLC. Zero carb/zero salt would help you be stronger,denser, leaner with less fat and won't be bloated with water. Carbs and salt seem to bloat.

Plant foods are probably where you get your carbs from and most of these contain nasties (eg fiber/salicylates/phenols) which stress the body compared to just raw meat and fat so I think performance will increase.



Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: Satya on January 15, 2009, 02:48:29 am

Plant foods are probably where you get your carbs from and most of these contain nasties (eg fiber/salicylates/phenols) which stress the body compared to just raw meat and fat so I think performance will increase.


Many plants contain goitrogens too.  You know, I am wondering if seaweed is not the best choice of plant to eat, seeing how we are land animals.  Seaweeds don't seem to be as problematic for people ... or are they?  Land plants have developed these toxic properties for which we are susceptible.  But what about seaweed? 
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: wodgina on January 15, 2009, 05:27:24 am
Many plants contain goitrogens too.  You know, I am wondering if seaweed is not the best choice of plant to eat, seeing how we are land animals.  Seaweeds don't seem to be as problematic for people ... or are they?  Land plants have developed these toxic properties for which we are susceptible.  But what about seaweed? 
Plants cant run away from predators so must have some defence mechanism to stop being eaten. Cant see why seaweed would be any different. Could just feed seaweed to cattle and eat them. Make the cattle do the work.
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: TylerDurden on January 15, 2009, 10:34:38 pm
I just don't buy into the whole idea re plants being a deadly poison. There's along tradition of herbalism, going way back into the Palaeolithic, and I'm sure that raw cavemen of those days were quite healthy. The so-called toxins in plants can actually have a beneficial effect, if eaten in small amounts(re topic of "phytonutrients") - it's only if you eat vast amounts of solid, raw veg, or if you juice veggies, that it becomes a problem.
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: wodgina on January 16, 2009, 12:04:02 am
Geoff, explain whats so good about photonutrients? I dont buy it, whats in plants which isnt in organs/fats/meats.
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: TylerDurden on January 16, 2009, 12:29:50 am
Geoff, explain whats so good about photonutrients? I dont buy it, whats in plants which isnt in organs/fats/meats.

Phytonutrients have been shown to have anti-inflammatory benefits which helps against aging. But my point was that some herbs have substances, which are quite poisonous if eaten in large amounts, but which help human health if eaten in small doses(eg:- ginseng/willow bark etc.). I agree that overindulgin ing plnats is bad for health, but the herbal substances I mentioned aren't found in animal meats/organs.
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: igibike on February 07, 2009, 01:30:19 am
Do you really think thats true?.... What about very low carb?

So did you come to agree with me, Andrew ?

I just don't buy into the whole idea re plants being a deadly poison. There's along tradition of herbalism, going way back into the Palaeolithic, and I'm sure that raw cavemen of those days were quite healthy. The so-called toxins in plants can actually have a beneficial effect, if eaten in small amounts(re topic of "phytonutrients") - it's only if you eat vast amounts of solid, raw veg, or if you juice veggies, that it becomes a problem.

Geoff, do you think juicing is not good because the easyness of taking too much toxins ?
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: TylerDurden on February 07, 2009, 05:46:16 am

Geoff, do you think juicing is not good because the easyness of taking too much toxins ?

When I tried veggie-juice I just got diarrhea as my body doesn't seem to properly absorb vegetable-juices at all(though solid veg isn't a problem). But others who've tried veggie-juice for long periods have noted all sorts of health-problems which they say is  tied to the fact that juicing veg not only releases the trapped nutrients within the cellulose but the antinutrients as well. If you eat solid, raw veg it's very difficult indeed to take in as many antinutrients as raw solid veg is very bland in taste and not as concentrated as the veggie-juice.

At any rate, it wouldn't be a good idea to  make veggie-juice a regular item. esides, it tastes so bad that one usually has to add sweeteners to it like raw honey, raw cream etc. to enhance the taste.
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: DameonWolf on February 07, 2009, 09:03:43 am
Is it wrong that I absolutely love celery and broccoli juice? I love the taste. I find the juice helps my cognitive abilities quite a bit too.
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: RawZi on February 08, 2009, 03:08:19 am
    I like the taste of celery juice, but what you say in the quote makes sense, as the juice sounds like a semiprocessed drug.

 
absorb vegetable-juices at all(though solid veg isn't a problem). But others who've tried veggie-juice for long periods have noted all sorts of health-problems which they say is  tied to the fact that juicing veg not only releases the trapped nutrients within the cellulose but the antinutrients as well. If you eat solid, raw veg it's very difficult indeed to take in as many antinutrients as raw solid veg is very bland in taste and not as concentrated as the veggie-juice.

At any rate, it wouldn't be a good idea to  make veggie-juice a regular
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: Satya on February 08, 2009, 06:58:23 am
Is it wrong that I absolutely love celery and broccoli juice? I love the taste. I find the juice helps my cognitive abilities quite a bit too.

The placebo effect is alive and well. 

Broccoli is really bad news for your thyroid, as it is highly goitrogenic.  And if you are juicing it regularly, then that is very bad news indeed.  Celery contains carcinogens, and so I would be careful drinking juice from it.  I mean, come on, 1) juice like this requires modern technology with an electric motor (whereas we can all dry jerky in the sun), and 2) you will concentrate these toxins as you remove the fiber.  You could not consume nearly as much as real food.  And 3), I crack up reading about vegetable juice as part of an Andrew's journal entry!  Ha ha!
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: DameonWolf on February 08, 2009, 09:55:18 am
Correction I can eat that much celery and I do if I feel like it. Placebo? Umm, I really don't buy that I did a lot of drugs when I was younger and I got sold a lot of fake pills and stuff like that. I know what placebo is like, what ever the green juices do for me it ain't placebo. Doesn't mean it's good. Can some one provide me with these studies?
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: lex_rooker on February 09, 2009, 12:59:43 am
Is it wrong that I absolutely love celery and broccoli juice? I love the taste. I find the juice helps my cognitive abilities quite a bit too.

Dameon,
Nothing is specifically right or wrong.  However there are consequences for every choice you make.  Some consequences are immediate and others manifest themselves over time.  Some you will like, others not so much.  Only you can decide if what you are doing produces the results you want.  As long as the choices you make do not affect me or others, what I or anyone else thinks about them is irrelevant.

Lex
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: Satya on February 09, 2009, 02:30:30 am
Correction I can eat that much celery and I do if I feel like it. Placebo? Umm, I really don't buy that I did a lot of drugs when I was younger and I got sold a lot of fake pills and stuff like that. I know what placebo is like, what ever the green juices do for me it ain't placebo. Doesn't mean it's good. Can some one provide me with these studies?

Okay, the placebo remark was rather glib.  Broccoli, kale, cabbage and other brassicas (the older term is crucifer) are pretty recent additions to the human diet.  That they can disrupt thyroid function (and cause other problems) can be found by reading this well-referenced article here:

http://www.westonaprice.org/basicnutrition/crucifers.html

That plants produce toxins to ward off evil predators is just an act of nature.  Celery produces carcinogens in small amounts, but when you juice them, they will be in greater quantities than that which can be eaten in their whole-food state.  If the celery is bruised, don't eat it.

http://articles.latimes.com/2002/oct/07/health/he-eating7

Also, there's an entire blog devoted to the anti-celery movement (kinda reminds me of the tomatoes are evil site).

http://celeryfree.blogspot.com/
 
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: Satya on February 09, 2009, 09:08:59 am
Andrew, this is probably very ignorant on my part, as I forget if you ever mentioned where you live in Australia.  But I am hoping that neither you, nor any of your family are affected by the wild fires I am reading about on the news.  I am hoping that my concern is as unfounded as a storm in Massachusetts is to me in Texas.  Be well, mon ami!  And may these fires end soon!
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: wodgina on February 09, 2009, 11:18:46 am
Luckily I'm about a far away as Massachusetts is to Texas. Thank God.

I haven't watched the TV but sounds pretty bad.
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: wodgina on February 09, 2009, 11:34:00 am
I wish I could check out the anti-celery and anti-tomotoes site (work blocking sites)

I've been reading Charles zero carb forum and find it interesting that the longer that people are on zero carb the more likely they are to shy away from pork/chicken/fish/eggs/dairy and stick with beef mirroring my own positive experience with beef compared to other meats although I suspect it's just a red meat thing.

Also I noticed  that the longer term zero carb people (only meat/fat and water) find that just one cup of coffee or added salt etc can cause electrolyte problems like cramps. Or even over drinking can cause cramps.

I find it's best not to drink after hard sweating as I'm not that thirsty anyway but if I do drink I get a sore stomach and cramps. I find that I get thirsty later in the day and make up for any fluid loss later on.

It seems the body gets more finely tuned on meat/fat and water than on any other diet.


Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: SilentBuddy on February 09, 2009, 11:41:50 am
Andrew,

Are you affected by the wildfire? It is so sad that so many people died.

Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: TylerDurden on February 09, 2009, 07:44:58 pm
Andrew,

Are you affected by the wildfire? It is so sad that so many people died.

Andrew lives in Perth in Western Australia. I believe the wildfire is somewhere in the Adelaide area(South Australia)
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: Satya on February 09, 2009, 10:44:20 pm
I've been reading Charles zero carb forum and find it interesting that the longer that people are on zero carb the more likely they are to shy away from pork/chicken/fish/eggs/dairy and stick with beef mirroring my own positive experience with beef compared to other meats although I suspect it's just a red meat thing.

Also I noticed  that the longer term zero carb people (only meat/fat and water) find that just one cup of coffee or added salt etc can cause electrolyte problems like cramps. Or even over drinking can cause cramps.

I find it's best not to drink after hard sweating as I'm not that thirsty anyway but if I do drink I get a sore stomach and cramps. I find that I get thirsty later in the day and make up for any fluid loss later on.

It seems the body gets more finely tuned on meat/fat and water than on any other diet.

I have been reading Charles' forum too.  I'll never get through all the posts - it's just too active.  I think you are spot on about the evolution of a zero carber towards red meat and water.  Lamb is really good too, I like it better than beef sometimes.  But then, when you think about it, ruminant meat has CLA and other nutrients that other foods just don't.  I think poultry is pretty puny on nutrients, and I have almost completely given it the boot.  If you can get really good pork, it might contain vitamin D.  But nothing comes close to beef/lamb/other ruminants.  That said, I love fish.  I will have some salmon roe tonight with my raw beef.  But sashimi does not give me the deep sleep that raw beef does.

Interesting about the drinking.  I hope you'll consider posting a picture of your zero carb self sometime.  Maybe you already have.  I'll have to go look.

I am glad you are not in the fire zone.  I couldn't remember where you were, except country.
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: lex_rooker on February 10, 2009, 09:25:43 am
I've found that red meat, (deer, elk, beef, bison, etc), is the only meat that is fully satsifying.  I can eat turkey, chicken, duck, shrimp, fish, and eggs, but find that I'm hungry again within a few of hours of eating.

I also found that adding a gram or two of salt to my food each day stopped the night time leg cramps I was experinecing.  I think this is at odds with what's being said on Charles forum but it is my experience.  Two grams of salt isn't much and I could probably even do with much less, but I also believe Dr. Barry Groves when he says that salt is an important source for the Chloride ions our body needs to make our digestive juices.

Another point about Charles forum is that most are eating their food cooked.  This could account for some of the differences in experinece as well as the larger amount of activity in that forum.

Lex
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: van on February 10, 2009, 03:09:12 pm
  I always try to share that I am finding good results from ionic minerals from the great Salt Lake.  They have most of the sodium removed and are high in Magnesium, and Chlorides as well as almost all of the trace minerals .  They come in a liquid form that actually makes my drinking water very tasty.  That seemed to solved my cramping problems, and I have in the last month eliminated salt.  Never used that much to begin with, but it seems to have even helped additionally with any cramps. 
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: wodgina on February 10, 2009, 03:23:45 pm
I will post some photos in the next couple of months.

Most zero carbers on Charles's formum eat medium grain fed steaks...some people eat their's raw or just sear the outside but most think raw meat is 'icky'! and you can forget organ meat...eskimoes threw them away! all that hunting and throw half the animal away! hmmm

Another reason why Charles's forum is so popular is because people are really making some real health gains and Charles photo's speak for themselves. The guy looks real fit.

Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: TylerDurden on February 10, 2009, 08:32:40 pm
Charles does marathons, which is why he looks good, not because of any diet.

As far as the Inuit are concerned, I've had so many cooked zero-carbers claim that at least some, if not all, of the Inuit just threw the organ-meats away - trouble is the only source for this is Vilhjalmur Stefansson  with every other Arctic explorer  or nutritionist/anthropoogist that I've heard of stating the exact opposite, that the Inuit used virtually every part of the animal whether for food or for other purposes(other hunter-gatherer tribes, such as pre-Contact Native Americans, did the same). Given that there are several problems with Stefansson's claims over his Bellevue Experiment, there is good reason to doubt anything he said.I mean his books are littered with inaccuracies such as a claim that the Australian Aborigines ate mostly or wholly meats and fats. Turns out that, once they wiped out the megafauna 40,000 years ago or so, they turned to large amounts of plant-matter for their diet.
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: Nicola on February 10, 2009, 09:58:20 pm
Charles does marathons, which is why he looks good, not because of any diet.

As far as the Inuit are concerned, I've had so many cooked zero-carbers claim that at least some, if not all, of the Inuit just threw the organ-meats away - trouble is the only source for this is Vilhjalmur Stefansson  with every other Arctic explorer  or nutritionist/anthropoogist that I've heard of stating the exact opposite, that the Inuit used virtually every part of the animal whether for food or for other purposes(other hunter-gatherer tribes, such as pre-Contact Native Americans, did the same). Given that there are several problems with Stefansson's claims over his Bellevue Experiment, there is good reason to doubt anything he said.I mean his books are littered with inaccuracies such as a claim that the Australian Aborigines ate mostly or wholly meats and fats. Turns out that, once they wiped out the megafauna 40,000 years ago or so, they turned to large amounts of plant-matter for their diet.

This man has a wife and children; looks good, feels good on no marathons (well he hasn't mentioned any yet):

I noticed you haven't received any responses to your thread. I can share with you my wife and I's experience with organ meat. We thought that it would be helpful and healthful after reading up on the various benefits to eating liver, heart etc.. We tried them all and I do mean ALL and found no benefit. In fact they made us feel pretty darn awful: headaches, fatigue and diarrhea.

Keep in mind that this is our experience. There may be others that do well eating organ meat.

Delfuego

I have a theory on why pemmican worked to heal my wife but raw meat and fat or cooked meat and fat didn't. First, the meat in pemmican is still raw it's just been dried not cooked. Secondly, the digestibility of pemmican HAS to be a factor. I remember the first I heard of pemmican was in the book "Neanderthin". Ray Audette mentioned that pemmican was the perfect food because it digests so completely. He compared it to mother's milk. I don't have the book in front of me or else I'd quote it! And thirdly, this may seem weird to some of you but I believe pemmican may be the only food that is completely devoid of mold or bacteria.

We did a test once and tried eating the dried meat (not yet powdered) dipped in rendered fat. We were eating the essential pemmican elements (dried red meat and rendered animal fat) but not in pemmican form. We ate this way for several weeks and the results were staggering (at least to us!)! She started to get sick again - ALL of the Lyme disease suffering was coming back! We switched back to pure pemmican and BAM! She was better!

Bacteria, mold, fungus, candida and apparently even the Lyme bacteria cannot exist within animal fat (at least not within beef or bison fat). This means that not only is she not feeding her disease through what she eats but she is also actively KILLING her disease by how she eats.

We've tried everything in every way related to meat and fat to get her well - pemmican works ... always! So we love it - we love it for how strong it makes us, we love it for how happy it makes us, we love it for how beautiful it makes us and we love it for how loving it makes us!

Sincerely,
Delfuego

http://forum.zeroinginonhealth.com/showthread.php?tid=81&pid=36852#pid36852

I wonder what he thinks about salt?

Nicola
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: TylerDurden on February 11, 2009, 01:39:55 am
I do wish you wouldn't transfer posts from this forum to other forums, and vice-versa. It just creates flame-wars and doesn't help at all. Please desist.

As  regards Charles, I was under the impression that he jogs under racing conditions. I suppose he doesn't do marathons, in hindsight, as zero-carbers don't appear to do well in anaerobic sports/activities.

I suppose it's possible for some people to become hypersensitive to molds etc. in which case raw meats might be an issue for those unique conditions but most such hypersensitivities/allergies etc. tend to be caused in the first place by eating cooked/processed diets.  A lot of rawists find that, as a result of their immune-systems etc being compromised that they develop new allergies to things like dairy/fish etc.
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: van on February 11, 2009, 11:08:39 am
  not that we're voting, and you are running this forum,  but I don't see or feel the 'flame' or the harm.  I think it's all good.  It especially helps me to condsider all the various view points.  For it is so easy to simply 'believe' I now know.  When in fact I bet most all of us in ten or twenty years will have significant changes in what we eat.  Just my viewpoint.
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: Raw Kyle on February 11, 2009, 11:25:18 am
The problem I see with whole quoting, other than the fact that the original author might not want it quoted, is that it creates a culture on the board of trying to prove yourself ultimately right over everyone else. A much better atmosphere for personal growth imo is an open one where people talk about their experiences and things they've learned from others. Whether that is friends, books, television, radio interviews, or other forums. Once it gets to "well this study says this" or "this guy eats this and is healthy, so that means you're wrong" than it really takes a step down for me in terms of helping people come to their own healthy conclusions. Diet is a loaded topic and everyone wants to be right, but I learned on raw vegan forums that no matter how sure you are of something you shouldn't word it 100% strong because you might change your mind and even if you are correct your tone might make people not want to read your thoughts anyway. I for one would not like to see posts of mine on a forum like Charles' being quoted by people to try and make him look stupid or prove something he wrote wrong, even if I disagree with him or anyone else.
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: van on February 11, 2009, 01:09:40 pm
I agree with you.  I don't see Nicola trying to prove anyone wrong or right.  It seems she simply posts to add more info.  And yes, there is the privacy issue, except that forums are public in nature.  So, it has more to do with the intent.  And regarding intent again, Nicola is very active in pulling information from all over, and brings a lot of wealth of ideas that wouldn't necessarily be found in one particular forum.  We tend to support what we want to believe.  She shakes that up some.  And yes,  some forums are mainly for the support to maintain a certain discipline.  And for some who don't need that type of support, they may be 'hungry' for a more persistent truth.  And that is what mixing it up brings to me personally.     I really don't care either way, for I tend to read in other forums including charles'.  And like this forum, I feel they too have much to offer.
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: wodgina on February 11, 2009, 02:01:08 pm
Charles does marathons, which is why he looks good, not because of any diet.

As far as the Inuit are concerned, I've had so many cooked zero-carbers claim that at least some, if not all, of the Inuit just threw the organ-meats away - trouble is the only source for this is Vilhjalmur Stefansson  with every other Arctic explorer  or nutritionist/anthropoogist that I've heard of stating the exact opposite, that the Inuit used virtually every part of the animal whether for food or for other purposes(other hunter-gatherer tribes, such as pre-Contact Native Americans, did the same). Given that there are several problems with Stefansson's claims over his Bellevue Experiment, there is good reason to doubt anything he said.I mean his books are littered with inaccuracies such as a claim that the Australian Aborigines ate mostly or wholly meats and fats. Turns out that, once they wiped out the megafauna 40,000 years ago or so, they turned to large amounts of plant-matter for their diet.

He looks good because he is ripped from being on zero carb so you can see all his muscles. He did exactly the same training pre zero carb and he was fat, so your wrong there, it is diet.

I would like to know which tribe of Australian Aborigines ate mostly plant food. All my reading and personal experience points towards a huge reliance on animal foods eg kangaroo, wombat, whale, abolone, crabs, worms. I used to have a keen interest in survival and 'bush tucker' and found plant foods severely lacking (this was a few years ago before I cared about my diet) its a dry continent for most part with terrible soil and not much water except for a few green patches on the southern coasts.
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: TylerDurden on February 11, 2009, 08:11:21 pm
He looks good because he is ripped from being on zero carb so you can see all his muscles. He did exactly the same training pre zero carb and he was fat, so your wrong there, it is diet.

I would like to know which tribe of Australian Aborigines ate mostly plant food. All my reading and personal experience points towards a huge reliance on animal foods eg kangaroo, wombat, whale, abolone, crabs, worms. I used to have a keen interest in survival and 'bush tucker' and found plant foods severely lacking (this was a few years ago before I cared about my diet) its a dry continent for most part with terrible soil and not much water except for a few green patches on the southern coasts.

Well, I can only go by the online anthroplogical references to an Aboriginal diet which mostly mention plant-foods. They frequently refer to the Aborigines having to specially process some plant-foods for eating. I'll come up with the references this evening when I have the time.
I agree that zero-carb (usually though not always) leads to weight-loss and that eating carbs often adds weight but no diet can, of itself, make one truly fit - for that you need to  exercise.
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: TylerDurden on February 11, 2009, 08:19:30 pm
The problem I see with whole quoting, other than the fact that the original author might not want it quoted, is that it creates a culture on the board of trying to prove yourself ultimately right over everyone else. A much better atmosphere for personal growth imo is an open one where people talk about their experiences and things they've learned from others. Whether that is friends, books, television, radio interviews, or other forums. Once it gets to "well this study says this" or "this guy eats this and is healthy, so that means you're wrong" than it really takes a step down for me in terms of helping people come to their own healthy conclusions. Diet is a loaded topic and everyone wants to be right, but I learned on raw vegan forums that no matter how sure you are of something you shouldn't word it 100% strong because you might change your mind and even if you are correct your tone might make people not want to read your thoughts anyway. I for one would not like to see posts of mine on a forum like Charles' being quoted by people to try and make him look stupid or prove something he wrote wrong, even if I disagree with him or anyone else.

This is precisely what I'm afraid of. If you have people constantly posting posts from other forums, not only does this inhibit free speech as people become more wary of saying anything in case someone else hears of it and starts a time-wasting flame-war re right and wrong of a specific topic, but peoples' posts are, technically, copyright and should only be posted on other forums with the specific permission of the relevant poster. This is basic Nettiquette..

Other than this, there is no such thing as universal truth so aiming for it via cross-group discussion leads nowhere. It's better for people to post about the various topics in their separate diet-based forums and leave it at that. That way, others can freely view posts from any number of forums they want to look at, and, thereby, get different views that way, without the need for any violation.

And, besides, I would never dream of posting a topic about eating raw meat on a vegan(ie diametrically-opposed forum), as I would feel it was disrespectful, so I wouldn't want people doing the same sort of thing in reverse on a rawpalaeo forum. There is a hot topics subforum for those wishing to post controversial anti-rawpalaeo stuff which is fine as long as it doesn't cite original posts and cites journals/websites in a general sense.
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: Satya on February 11, 2009, 10:08:13 pm
The problem I see with whole quoting, other than the fact that the original author might not want it quoted, is that it creates a culture on the board of trying to prove yourself ultimately right over everyone else.

A link to the thread is probably best.  I mean, if I quote something Kyle says here on another forum - a forum to which he does not belong - then 1) I might be quoting him out of context, and 2) he has no way to defend himself short of joining.  That's the problem I see with it

Certainly we might all gain insight from reading the pemmican thread on Charles' forum (a forum I have no desire to join just now).   Nicola, you post some very good links to articles from which I have personally benefited, and I'd like to thank you for that.  Quoting article excerpts with a link to the original piece is usually okay, but the copyright notice of each website should be read first.  Beyond Veg allows no reproduction, and they have the copyright, so it is potentially a dodgy thing to quote content from other websites, whereas a link is always safe (unless the site contains malicious executable content). 
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: TylerDurden on February 11, 2009, 10:27:27 pm
Hmm, it seems I was misled by various sites mentioning the "many plant foods" in the Australian Aboriginal diet. Other sources state that plants played  an "important but supplementary role " in the meat-dominated aboriginal diet:-

http://journals.cambridge.org/download.php?file=%2FNRR%2FNRR11_01%2FS0954422498000043a.pdf&code=4dcdd41a4df10a8ed990e75cf703ee45

At any rate, it's not the near-zero-carb theme that Stefansson claimed re the aborigines.
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: Satya on February 11, 2009, 11:35:54 pm
He looks good because he is ripped from being on zero carb so you can see all his muscles. He did exactly the same training pre zero carb and he was fat, so your wrong there, it is diet.


Really?  Wow, if his training was the same and only his diet changed, then that's pretty convincing.  My son is totally big on limiting carbs now, as he wants to be ripped like all these zero carb people.  But he is still growing and does eat some carbs.  Those photos on Charles' running journal tell a story.  Now some of you buff raw zero carbers need to show us your stuff!  :D
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: Satya on February 12, 2009, 12:34:10 am
Here's a big, grainy pic of Charles about half-way down this page:

http://forum.zeroinginonhealth.com/showthread.php?tid=1232&pid=38217#pid38217
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: wodgina on February 13, 2009, 03:45:52 pm
Not bad for a guy pushing 41 years. He is 143 pounds. 5'8.

At I think 20 grams a day carbs he was 168 pounds and slightly chubby.

He goes to the gym x2 a week for less than 45 min at a time
Runs twice a week,  intervals one day around 14 miles straight on the other. Hardly a huge amount of excercise.
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: wodgina on February 13, 2009, 03:54:32 pm
Hmm, it seems I was misled by various sites mentioning the "many plant foods" in the Australian Aboriginal diet. Other sources state that plants played  an "important but supplementary role " in the meat-dominated aboriginal diet:-

http://journals.cambridge.org/download.php?file=%2FNRR%2FNRR11_01%2FS0954422498000043a.pdf&code=4dcdd41a4df10a8ed990e75cf703ee45

At any rate, it's not the near-zero-carb theme that Stefansson claimed re the aborigines.

The aborigines that lived where I live would of been very close to zero carb as I have never found anything edible that was starchy or sweet just mainly watery tasteless plant bits which you would starve on very quickly.
We just dont get nuts and berries which you get in the northern hemisphere. The land is old and the soil has very low levels of minerials/humus and we have sporadic rainfall.
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: TylerDurden on February 13, 2009, 10:46:13 pm
Couldn't the soil be poor due to being overfarmed by colonists? Such happens all the time. Another consideration is the current climate - from what I understand, Australia has suffered from some vey unusual severe droughts in recent decades, and that this situation has been exacerbated by the cities' huge demand for water from other less populated areas in Australia.

Plus, it's been pointed out that Australian Aborigines used many fermenting/processing methods to make a wide variety of plants edible for human consumption, that wouldn't have been easily edible raw. Also, being hunter-gatherers, they roamed more widely, making it easier to get enough plant-matter.
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: wodgina on February 28, 2009, 12:01:21 pm
Couldn't the soil be poor due to being overfarmed by colonists? Such happens all the time. Another consideration is the current climate - from what I understand, Australia has suffered from some vey unusual severe droughts in recent decades, and that this situation has been exacerbated by the cities' huge demand for water from other less populated areas in Australia.

Plus, it's been pointed out that Australian Aborigines used many fermenting/processing methods to make a wide variety of plants edible for human consumption, that wouldn't have been easily edible raw. Also, being hunter-gatherers, they roamed more widely, making it easier to get enough plant-matter.

Nothing to do with over farming, Australia is an old continent and has not had any recent tectonic activity so there are know 'new' mountains/volcanoes producing mineral rich soils. The land is old and weathered with low rainfall. The drought has a lot to do with cleared land and maybe climate change.

There's i almost no edible plant matter where I live but plenty of shell fish, bird' (ducks) kangaroo's and large whales regularly wash up on our shores. Plants are so inferior you would only eat them if there was nothing else.
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: TylerDurden on February 28, 2009, 08:05:21 pm
Well, on the Paleofood list-group, it's claimed by 1 person that australian aborigines consumed c,20-40% of calories in the form of plant-matter.Here's a study which claims an even higher carb percentage:-

http://www.questia.com/googleScholar.qst;jsessionid=JpnJ0WpjrvNHPD01TpPpKYxmVcpLpqn1s6jScpwRnFF1hrkdXxbX!1219491712!-587966032?docId=5007673436

Presumably, eastern aborigines would have had more access to plant-matter? As I recall Perth is only a narrow strip of green on the west coast with mostly desert facingnorth and east?
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: wodgina on February 28, 2009, 09:16:32 pm
Yes your correct with the geograghy and the eastern states are greener with better soil. There are many aboriginal groups across Australia (except Tasmania, we killed them all about a 100 years ago) and Australia is as big as USA i shouldnt generalise too much. Anyway aboriginals now eat complete shit with alcohol/petrol sniffing rampant. Just visit any outback town and you will see it.
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: Sully on March 04, 2009, 12:09:11 am
How come I always read about aborigines (original hunter gatherers) eating mainly plants then? I also read the coastal people of course ate more seafood.

I don't believes they ate mainly plants for some reason. But who knows. Maybe only during certain times.
They could find bits of plant, eggs, insects etc. for a couple of days. Then the men get a big kill.
But the bit of plants, even though there consumed on more days, wouldn't come close to the calories in meat and fat consume 1-2 days.
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: William on March 04, 2009, 12:51:45 am
How come I always read about aborigines (original hunter gatherers) eating mainly plants then?

That's probably more propaganda from meat-hating lowfat crackpot vegetarian politicians.

Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: wodgina on March 04, 2009, 05:19:31 am
Theres alot of bias i find the 20-40% figure hard to believe and the i doubt many aboriginal groups would of chosen to eat bitter tastless plants like bush lettuce over a plump fatty bogong moth or fatty kangaroo tail by choice. Maybe small groups on the east coast coast of Australia which i feel sorry for!
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: Satya on March 11, 2009, 10:02:38 am
How are you getting on zero carb, Andrew?  How long has it been?  I think you said you had some crap over the holidays, but then you went back carnivore, right?  How are the workouts going?  I suppose work is keeping you busy, eh?

I am vlc now with just some plant condiments, and I am feeling really good for the most part.  Better sleep, more calm.  My whole family is eating this way, but various stages of raw. 

Did you have abdominal cramps at all during the transition?  My digestion is fine, I think in part because of my activity level.  But I am feeling twinges here and there.  Is there a mineral rebalancing to dropping carbs?  I still eat seaweed, so I get some minerals there.  I am feeling REAL hunger now when it's really time for me to eat.  So that's cool. 

Cheers!
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: wodgina on March 13, 2009, 11:00:26 am
I'm struggling with zero carb and staying raw mainly owing to social pressure. Going out ect

I went to wedding recently and drank beer. I got severe cramps in my abs when laughing at something at the reception and keeled over in agony for about 10 mins. Then my legs seized up in the middle of the night when sleeping. It was awful. I knew I would drink as it was a really good mate but paid for it for about 3 days of feeling tired and really moody.

Switching between carbs and zero carbs seems to cause cramps as well as diluting electrolyte levels with beverages when your body is as finely balanced as it is when you just eat meat and fat.

Well done with the fam Satya, my family has changed their diet also. Accultration is difficult to get over and maybe it's better not to.. eg the need to have a fridge which is full of pretty colourful veges and fruit.

Real hunger is so good I really hate the insulin charged drooling hunger which makes you lose all control. It takes a while but it is so much better.

Even though I have cheated recently I really feel like I've healed, one sign is I just don't eat very much any more. I eat half as much as when I joined this forum. I'm happy, it's taken a while, 28 years of crap food verses 3 years of good..not a bad result.
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: Satya on March 16, 2009, 02:56:34 am
Maybe you are having some weird electrolyte imbalance when switching from no carbs back to carbs.  Does it worry you much?  I mean, the wedding episode was kind of severe, don't you think?  I take it you are planning to stick with the zero carb and minimize the cheating?

It is so true about the fridge phenomenon!  I am trying to get away from this very "need to have a fridge which is full of pretty colourful veges and fruit."  I have more meat in the fridge than ever.  The meat drawer stays pretty darn cold too.  Some rendered lard, eggs, and I am making more fermented foods, as the jars are like this in between step.  I have color with pickled beets, cucumbers and sauerkraut, but I don't feel like I have to consume it right now or it will spoil.  I have cucumber pickles almost a year old and they are fine.  So that is my crutch now.  Oh, and I put any dried fruit I have in the fridge too, lol, even though it's fine at room temp!  That way, I can see the color, but it doesn't have to be eaten any time soon.  A colorful, full fridge is some psychological thing.

Also, I do have a bunch of seaweeds (not plants) in the cupboard.  And dried shitake mushrooms.  Maybe I will throw them in the fridge too so that I can see some green and brown too!  I do like the idea or dry food now, as it doesn't go bad ever, so I don't have to eat it right away.  I can just see at how pretty it looks in the fridge.

So how is the workout schedule going?  Lifting and anything else?
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: William on March 16, 2009, 06:44:39 am
For me, it was 60+ years of crap food, and after a few years of paleo, then zero carb, the result of the Christmas pig out was a stroke.

Possibly explained recently in a post on the paleofood list Fri, 6 Mar 2009, subject It's the balance of fats.....

Insulin resistance is thought to be an important contributing factor to the modern diseases of civilization such as metabolic syndrome, blood lipid disorders, hypertension, obesity and type II diabetes.1 Although genetics play a role in insulin resistance, the observation that obesity and diabetes are increasing at alarming rates worldwide suggests that there are vital environmental factors that also need to be considered.2


Although carbohydrates play an integral role in insulin resistance by elevating glucose levels, there is also strong evidence that the amount and quality of free fatty acids consumed contributes to insulin sensitivity.3 It has been shown in rats that under certain circumstances, free fatty acids are required for glucose-stimulated insulin resistance. Essentially, when rats are infused with a high level of glucose, in the absence of fatty acids, the insulin response is non-existent.4 In contrast, when this occurs in the presence of high levels of free fatty acids, glucose-stimulated insulin resistance is extremely elevated. It was shown in these studies on rats that the amount of saturation of the fatty acid was also correlated with insulin secretion.5 The more saturated the fat, the higher the insulin burst. Thus, in rats, it seems that free fatty acids are vit al to produce glucose-stimulated insulin resistance, and, of these, saturated fats have the
 most detrimental effects.


Whether this occurs in humans was investigated by Vessby et al. (2001), who established that the amount and quality of fat in the diet could also be important for the development of insulin resistance in our species. A group of 162 healthy subjects were given an isocaloric diet high in either saturated or monounsaturated fat for three months. As in rats, insulin resistance depended on the amount of fatty acids consumed and the saturation of those fatty acids. When the amount of energy gained from fat was greater than 37%, it was found that insulin sensitivity was impaired in both the saturated fat group (-7.8%) and the monounsaturated fat group (-3.3%). However, when the amount of energy coming from fat was less than 37%, a significant difference was found with saturated fat still decreasing insulin sensitivity (-12.5%) and monounsaturated fat increasing it (+8.8%). Within the context of this study, it would seem that insulin resistance can be improved
 on a diet consisting of less than 37% of energy from fat, with this fat coming predominantly from monounsaturated fatty acids.

So it looks llike The Bear is right, carbohydrates really are poisons, and more so for some.

Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: igibike on March 17, 2009, 08:02:45 pm

So it looks llike The Bear is right, carbohydrates really are poisons, and more so for some.

Sorry, I don't understand this point.

The baseline I undestand is:

If fat contribute is >37% insulin sensistivity tends to decrease a bit (a bit bigger is fats are saterated)
If fat contribute is <37% insulin sensitivity decrease (the decrease being bigger if fats are saturated)

This implies, to me, that carbs and fats (expecially the saturated ones) should not be mixed.

We are discussing a lot about that in our italian forum.

I'll post in my diary my winter experience (I think it's related to that).
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: William on March 17, 2009, 09:40:29 pm
I think that it depends on the state of the body, for instance in good health one can use some mixture of carbohydrates and fat, while in poor health zero carbohydrate is the best policy.
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: igibike on March 18, 2009, 12:47:53 am
I think that it depends on the state of the body, for instance in good health one can use some mixture of carbohydrates and fat, while in poor health zero carbohydrate is the best policy.

I agree, thanks.
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: Nicola on May 12, 2009, 08:00:57 pm
Hi Andrew, how do you experience raw meat and fat and hydration? I am asking you because I believe you exercise quite a bit and must feel your system. Lex seems to be able or need quite a lot of water. I must be experiencing quite a difference because I just feel off/seasick if I drink more than half a glace full every now and then. I go swimming (as well as running, walking, riding, rebounding and a little exercise) and to much water just does not feel right. I feel the water can hit my gut/brain feeling and even cause loose stools.

So what, when and how much do you drink and how does this work for you?

Nicola
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: wodgina on May 13, 2009, 08:19:01 am
Hi Andrew, how do you experience raw meat and fat and hydration? I am asking you because I believe you exercise quite a bit and must feel your system. Lex seems to be able or need quite a lot of water. I must be experiencing quite a difference because I just feel off/seasick if I drink more than half a glace full every now and then. I go swimming (as well as running, walking, riding, rebounding and a little exercise) and to much water just does not feel right. I feel the water can hit my gut/brain feeling and even cause loose stools.

So what, when and how much do you drink and how does this work for you?

Nicola

I don't drink as much as lex and both me and my brother (zero carber too) find you can over drink. I drink when i'm thirsty or bored. I prefer to drink after eating.

I don't really think about drinking that much.
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: igibike on May 15, 2009, 06:06:43 am
Not drinking enough may cause problems during physical activity (tachycardia and loss of power) this is what a memebr of our italian forum experienced.

I strictly believe one shouldn't overdrink, but neither underdrink.
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: wodgina on September 12, 2009, 06:34:23 pm
On the spur of the moment I entered a a race today which I trained for and did last year. With no running  training since November last year I lost only 21 seconds on last years result (over 10kms) plus I went down the wrong trail and lost a lot of time and the conditions were a nightmare. Not bad!

I'm also fairly muscular even though I've stopped weights.
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: wodgina on September 21, 2009, 10:05:03 am
Recently spent 2 weeks sleeping wild in a really remote area, found sleeping on the beach totally comfortable but man it's taken me a few weeks to get over all the scratches, salt water, insect bites and sun exposure.

Paleo people must of been unbelievably tough. I'm a big girl.

Still healing, also I had to resort to pemmican and I'm totally off the stuff since that trip. Caught some fish and supplemented with wild oysters picked off the rocks.

Also checked out Aboriginal rock art...it's mainly drawings of turtles/fish/sharks/people hunting and people with no heads. No drawings of fruit, medicinal plants or pemmican!

Anyone know why the people would be drawn with no heads?
Title: Re: Andrew's Journal
Post by: TylerDurden on September 21, 2009, 05:43:03 pm

Anyone know why the people would be drawn with no heads?

Perhaps they were headhunters in the past!
Title: Re: The Journal
Post by: wodgina on November 15, 2009, 12:06:48 pm
Recently completed a 2 km ocean swim after 6 months of learning how to swim with correct technique. Slowly working my way to attempt a half iron man next year.

Been cheating a whole heap and suffering the side effects! IBS I can't help it I just make sure the majority of food is raw meat/fat.

Had me first hay fever/eczema free spring of my life, last year was good but this year zero! I should be excited but I'm not, the misery of stuffed nose, shit sleep, staying inside all day and itching weeping legs quickly forgoten ha ha.....so it's taken 3 years of eating 95% RAW MEAT/FAT to cure my over active immune system. Just goes to show newbies looking for quick results don't always happen and that long term results are also worth the effort.

Seeya's
Title: Re: The Journal
Post by: livingthelife on November 15, 2009, 09:22:06 pm
Recently completed a 2 km ocean swim after 6 months of learning how to swim with correct technique.

This is exciting! "Open water swimming" is a sport that we've investigated because pool water is so damaging. Some kids in a neighboring HS developed respiratory problems and lost the hair on their bodies because of high chlorine levels in the school's pool - I guess they didn't maintain it like they should have. We've been trying to utilize a natural lake nearby but found that it really does require a different set of mental skills because you can't see the bottom (with that handy line painted on it) and because the water is colder. Add waves and it's a whole new puppy.

We haven't been able to find any clubs or groups that train or do open water swimming events here. We have few bodies of water here and little creativity, it seems. There are clubs in a few cities and in coastal communities.

Is this a sport that is common in Australia? What certain skills are required and what was the experience of ocean swimming?

I hope your symptoms improve. Sometimes we have to stray to realize where we need to be  ;) 

Best always!

Title: Re: The Journal
Post by: RawZi on November 15, 2009, 09:30:04 pm
RAW MEAT/FAT to cure my over active immune system. Just goes to show newbies looking for quick results don't always happen and that long term results are also worth the effort.

    Found same thing.  RAF especially fat is the only thing to cure my overactive immune system.
Title: Re: The Journal
Post by: Ioanna on November 16, 2009, 03:35:17 am
swimming, surfing, sleeping on the beach... your journal and photos you've posted seriously make me want to move to your part of the world! I suppose the grass is always greener...
 
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Been cheating a whole heap and suffering the side effects!
Would you define cheating?... I think you're mostly zc, so I don't know if cheating is cooked meat, fruit or cookies :)

Does all this training mean that your workout time/intensity has  increased?  Have you noticed anything you need to change with your diet for this of do you keep (minus the cheating ;) ) your nutrition timings and percentages mostly the same?



Title: Re: The Journal
Post by: wodgina on November 16, 2009, 04:14:44 pm

LivingLife - yeah chlorine is bad, strips the hair of my legs and feel crap afterwards as opposed to feeling invigorated after swimming in the river or ocean! Open water swimming is very popular here as most of the population is on the coast and most kids get their first swimming lessons at the beach.

You need much different skills to deal with the waves, the deep dark water, spotting bouys, dealing with other swimmers kicking and clawing at you! the main skill required though is confidence in your ability.

and yes straying is a great way to realize where I'm supposed to be.

Ioanna - I cheated with my mums chocolate slice, then dark chocolate, then had biscuits, cheese etc etc lost all control, now I'm paying the price. I don't train much really and I eat a lot less than I used to say compared to two years ago. I just eyeball the amount of fat I want in my meat mix and thats it! eat until I can't eat anymore.

Rawzi- I agree (I think) but why has it taken 3 years and not two years? and my hayfever doesn't come back even if I cheat? How come IBS comes back with even one little  ;) cheat? weird

Title: Re: The Journal
Post by: Nicola on November 20, 2009, 04:24:44 pm
Andrew, I think Charles was fond of you and I just do not believe if this ever has anythink to do with raw or cooked (like all the others mention) as long as members don't go on and on about raw/cooked (you don't)...

http://forum.zeroinginonhealth.com/showthread.php?tid=2587&page=140

Hey, I had a friend named "Andrew" who wanted to be my friend, so I thought it was the "Andrew" from this forum. Turns out, this guy was a spammer and all he sent was pornography links! I unfriended him! 
Title: Re: The Journal
Post by: RawZi on November 20, 2009, 05:59:05 pm
Rawzi- I agree (I think) but why has it taken 3 years and not two years? and my hayfever doesn't come back even if I cheat? How come IBS comes back with even one little  ;) cheat? weird

    Healing fully can take a long time.  That may be why.  If you cheated long enough, the hayfever would possibly come back too.  The IBS possibly gets affected first because it's due to what you're eating, and food is more likely to touch your bowel more than your sinuses.  What part of your body is affected can also be due to other factors besides food, which can change in each person with time, even if a doctor says not.  You may have other work to do to heal in addition to food and exercise, and I don't mean herbs.
Title: Re: The Journal
Post by: wodgina on February 20, 2010, 08:45:49 am
Completed a number of triathalons/adventure races/ocean swims recently. Feeling fitter and got back into deadlifts and squats also. 
 
Doing well all round. Ate fish for the first time in a while (years?) not a fan.


Title: Re: The Journal
Post by: wodgina on March 06, 2010, 09:54:37 am
My brothers an RPDer and he's become noticably taller over the last year, I would say at least an inch probably more. He's taller than me now he's also doing (proper)40kg dips 3x8 @70?kg not bad! The only difference is he eats wild meats while I eat domestic. He's 30. I'm 32.
Title: Re: The Journal
Post by: wodgina on April 23, 2010, 10:13:35 pm
I had a high speed head on collision on a country road on Monday night with a highly medicated woman. 

I feel like I cheated death and have been laying really low, don't really want to tempt fate?

Title: Re: The Journal
Post by: ys on April 23, 2010, 11:29:02 pm
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He's taller than me now he's also doing (proper)40kg dips 3x8 @70?kg not bad!

If you can please post the video, I think it'll be a nice addition to the exercise collection.
Title: Re: The Journal
Post by: wodgina on April 23, 2010, 11:57:29 pm
He maybe up for it, he is very busy though. Way to busy to even go on this forum.

He does one armed pull ups as well.

On the height thin he puts it down to heavy weight training has helped his posture.
Title: Re: The Journal
Post by: ys on April 24, 2010, 12:49:48 am
one arm pull ups are awesome.  one of the hardest exercises.  i'll try to post my one arm sometime in the summer.
Title: Re: The Journal
Post by: TylerDurden on April 24, 2010, 03:37:55 am
Hope you didn't get too damaged by that crash. My own recent experience re accidents has made me less trusting of other sportsmen, whereas before I thought I could always avoid such incidents.
Title: Re: The Journal
Post by: William on April 24, 2010, 09:42:37 am
I had a high speed head on collision on a country road on Monday night with a highly medicated woman.  

I feel like I cheated death and have been laying really low, don't really want to tempt fate?



Mine was Jan. 2006 with a teenager who knew not how to drive on frozen slush. Thought I had a broken rib, but it was just a bad bruise from the shoulder belt. 130+ km/h. Car was written off.

Not the first time I survived by a miracle, meaning not my plan (the airbag worked).

I like the idea that we die when time's up, and can do damn near anything before that and get away with it.
Title: Re: The Journal
Post by: Paleo Donk on April 24, 2010, 10:17:12 am
I like the idea that we die when time's up, and can do damn near anything before that and get away with it.

Me too. Pass the hookers and a moderate amount of blow.
Title: Re: The Journal
Post by: wodgina on April 25, 2010, 06:53:57 am
She was on coming, crossed onto my side of the road I swerved just enough and we side swiped both at 100km/hr . I went off the road and thats where my car was wrecked hitting a sign and then into the the bush. Walked away.
I had just had a motorbike lesson that day plus I hadn't eaten all day so I was superfocused, that saved me.
Title: Re: The Wodg Journal
Post by: wodgina on May 29, 2010, 08:12:14 am
Back in late Feb I injured my back squatting very deeply. I'm gutted really, felt like I stretched it. When I did that deep weighted squat my back cracked and stretched and felt such a relief.The main problem I have now Is have difficulty sitting for long periods and get extremely stiff on long drives and takes about a minute to stand up straight once I get out of the car, I look like an old man.

I'm really annoyed that even sitting causes problems. I'm totally fine working, can still surf and run with no problems but any sitting causes real problems. Mountain biking sets it off slightly.

I'm back on strict diet to help me get over this problem, I also want to solve some work problems as well as I want to rule out any possible psychosomatic causes.
Title: Re: The Wodg Journal
Post by: wodgina on June 11, 2010, 04:51:38 pm
I''ve resigned to complete rest for my back issues. 3 months of trying to ease back into excercise hasn't worked and has caused me more probs. I just can't sit in anywaY whether in a car seat or at a desk or on my bike or kayak.

I kneel at my work desk or tilt my laptop so I can stand up, luckily I don't work at a desk much.

Eating heaps of marrow at the moment... also eating brains...they make me smart..arse..ish. Had crazy dreams too like cargo liners falling out of the sky.

Title: Re: The Journal
Post by: TylerDurden on June 11, 2010, 04:53:48 pm
I would have thought you needed massage therapy or 1 of the related alternative-medicine approaches. There's only so much a diet can do, however high-quality.
Title: Re: The Wodg Journal
Post by: wodgina on June 11, 2010, 05:01:44 pm
I haven't got that far yet and b elieve alternate therapists are 99% con artists.


I have resigned myself to the fact I may have to quit racing mountain bikes and weight training and I will live.

I haven't discounted psychosomatic cause due to recent work stress.
Title: Re: The Wodg Journal
Post by: actionhero on June 11, 2010, 06:40:40 pm
Quit all exercise and start doing zhan zhuang. It involves just standing without movement and just being aware of your body. You will heal this in less than 2 months. Don't be fooled by its simplicity, it's much harder than you can imagine. Just wait when your legs start shaking after just a couple minutes. You start 10 min a day and build up to 30-45 min over a course of couple weeks. Your internal power will grow daily and you will feel it. This is the best book to learn the practice. You should give it a try.

http://www.amazon.com/Way-Energy-Master-Lam-Kam-Chuen/dp/0671736450 (http://www.amazon.com/Way-Energy-Master-Lam-Kam-Chuen/dp/0671736450)

 
Title: Re: The Wodg Journal
Post by: wodgina on June 13, 2010, 09:11:38 pm
Quit all exercise and start doing zhan zhuang. It involves just standing without movement and just being aware of your body. You will heal this in less than 2 months. Don't be fooled by its simplicity, it's much harder than you can imagine. Just wait when your legs start shaking after just a couple minutes. You start 10 min a day and build up to 30-45 min over a course of couple weeks. Your internal power will grow daily and you will feel it. This is the best book to learn the practice. You should give it a try.

http://www.amazon.com/Way-Energy-Master-Lam-Kam-Chuen/dp/0671736450 (http://www.amazon.com/Way-Energy-Master-Lam-Kam-Chuen/dp/0671736450)

 

Will check it out. Sounds interesting/different cheers AH
Title: Re: The Wodg Journal
Post by: wodgina on June 23, 2010, 12:50:08 pm


PaleoPhil brought up the the positive thinking thing

I'm not a fan of positive thinking, it doesn't work and the human subconscious is way to smart to fall for that crap and for that matter I'm definitely against positive thinking for seriously ill people as they will probably feel worse when their positive thinking fails to heal them.

I believe the subconscious and hidden emotions can cause havoc on the body, I've long believed it's at least 50% of your healthiness. The subconscious can create illness for secondary pay off eg not cleaning your house/or getting a job or distracting you from the fact you really don't want to marry your GF. The more intelligent/creative you are, the greater the ability of your subconscious is at distracting you from what you really need to sort out. Unfortunately the more intelligent/creative your are the more misery your face compared to the average chump!

The solution is to eat well and then to uncover what's bothering you or your putting off, unfortunately the last part is fucking hard.












Title: Re: The Wodg Journal
Post by: wodgina on July 01, 2010, 11:21:20 pm
I've gone back to sports that I stopped because of back pain. I still have the pain but I ignore it and it's disappearing.

It's a distraction for my mind. When things are going well my mind sabotages me.

The pain didn't make sense...first of all it moved around which is weird. My back would seize up and I would have to spend a couple of minutes getting out of a car...but only when I worked with a couple of people I don't like. Then I would go for a surf and be totally fine! WTF surfing uses the most violent movements and your back twists and bends.

Tricks that the unconscious use are anxiety/headaches/backache/RSI/CFS whatever is currently in fashion really. I've heard things like allergies are caused by repressed rage which I agree with but it's only about half the equation, diet helps as well (a lot)
Title: Re: The Wodg Journal
Post by: wodgina on July 30, 2010, 11:54:05 am
Back pain is gone and when I get a tinge I purposely sit incorrectly or lift badly and totally ignore the phantom twinges etc.

I always thought it was ridiculous when people say they hurt their back bending down to pick up key or something really soft then I'd see them playing football or something. It's pschocological pain directed to parts of your body.

I've crashed into anxiety over the last 9 months, it slowly crept up on me until I was totally ill. Mostly because of external influences but also the cheating Ive done over the last 9 months (both have gone hand in hand) I want to take a break and just chill, I've worked 4 years straight (wow you must be thinking! but hard work for some else is dumb and I've never liked working) I want to spend some time in the sun. I've got a business idea so I could chase that fulltime. Start a new hobbie. Go travel or even a staycation. I'm motorbiking around OZ next year but I'm ready to go NOW

Title: Re: The Wodg Journal
Post by: wodgina on August 05, 2010, 10:20:55 pm
Feeling better. Back on track with everything. Been doing small chores around the house (the anxiety cure), got rid of my wrecked car too.

Freezer full of Grass Fed organs, Beef cheek, ox tail and tongue.

Did some deadlifts today and was fine.

Got a cleansing surf in too.

Feel human again  :)

Title: Re: The Wodg Journal
Post by: wodgina on August 14, 2010, 11:00:42 am
Resigned from my job to start a new position (I was too good for that joint  ;) ). I like the owner who interviewed me, looked me in the eye...I like that...he pretty much hired me on the spot. I'm looking forward to a new field, I want to work with confident people.

Interesting to see what they do for lunches/dinners/friday drinks. I'll be one the road mostly so I'll have jerky, water.
.
Title: Re: The Wodg Journal
Post by: wodgina on September 11, 2010, 10:44:51 pm
Every year a compete in a 10km off road race, beat my PB by a whopping 4 minutes! 50.11 down to 46.03min. This is not just running but rock scrambling, steep hills/descents
Title: Re: The Wodg Journal
Post by: goodsamaritan on September 11, 2010, 11:02:20 pm
Resigned from my job to start a new position (I was too good for that joint  ;) ). I like the owner who interviewed me, looked me in the eye...I like that...he pretty much hired me on the spot. I'm looking forward to a new field, I want to work with confident people.

Interesting to see what they do for lunches/dinners/friday drinks. I'll be one the road mostly so I'll have jerky, water.
.

Come on share more detail.
What was your old position and what is your new job?
Title: Re: The Wodg Journal
Post by: lex_rooker on September 11, 2010, 11:16:18 pm
Come on share more detail.
What was your old position and what is your new job?

Yeah, come on, inquiring minds want to know……

Lex
Title: Re: The Wodg Journal
Post by: wodgina on September 12, 2010, 12:59:28 pm
Field technician in emissions testing, mainly power generation and mining processes. Moving to testing/remediation of contaminated sites.

Looking forward to the change.

 I didn't think anyone even read this thing! let alone the Lex and the GS!

Title: Re: The Wodg Journal
Post by: Ioanna on September 12, 2010, 05:54:23 pm
Every year a compete in a 10km off road race, beat my PB by a whopping 4 minutes! 50.11 down to 46.03min. This is not just running but rock scrambling, steep hills/descents

congratulations!!  how is your back doing?
Title: Re: The Wodg Journal
Post by: wodgina on September 12, 2010, 09:29:09 pm
congratulations!!  how is your back doing?

Cured!

Went to a chiro 3 months ago and he told me I would have back pain for the rest of my life. I did the opposite of what he said to do.

Next...half ironman April 2011...really just an excuse to get a sexy new bike though
Title: Re: The Wodg Journal
Post by: Ioanna on September 12, 2010, 09:42:43 pm

Went to a chiro 3 months ago and he told me I would have back pain for the rest of my life. I did the opposite of what he said to do.


gosh, i'm so happy for you finding your way, yet so disappointed to hear that too.. what was that he said to do?

Next...half ironman April 2011...really just an excuse to get a sexy new bike though

a great excuse i think! :), have fun with it. let me know if you need anything swimming-wise!
 
Title: Re: The Wodg Journal
Post by: wodgina on September 13, 2010, 06:34:03 pm
gosh, i'm so happy for you finding your way, yet so disappointed to hear that too.. what was that he said to do?

a great excuse i think! :), have fun with it. let me know if you need anything swimming-wise!
 

He said I would have to live with and manage it, I would have to give up some sports, be careful not to inflame it, do stretches, sit up straight, come back for many years of $80 dollar half hour sessions! 

Thanks on the swimming offer, I'll swap you for surfing lessons.
Title: Re: The Wodg Journal
Post by: Ioanna on September 14, 2010, 07:15:15 am
Thanks on the swimming offer, I'll swap you for surfing lessons.

super!  :D
Title: Re: The Wodg Journal
Post by: wodgina on September 24, 2010, 08:21:22 pm
mmm supposed to go out tonight don't think I can handle pubs and waiting in lines.... house parties are so much better.

Been training hard.

After my Kayak race win on the weekend I'm pretty pumped.


Title: Re: The Wodg Journal
Post by: wodgina on November 01, 2010, 07:33:27 am
Summers here thank god. Don't know if I can handle another winter. There was no surf and it was a long one.

Completed a few races over the last few weeks. Every weekend is booked into the new year, still considering half iron man.
Title: Re: The Wodg Journal
Post by: Ioanna on November 01, 2010, 08:49:43 am
awesome!

and i'm jealous  ;) , here the days are getting so short and cold
Title: Re: The Wodg Journal
Post by: Sully on November 01, 2010, 10:29:07 am
i kinda like winter :) hehe

i want some Inuit boots for the snow here,

you don't like the cold wodgina?

do you get any snow?
Title: Re: The Wodg Journal
Post by: wodgina on November 09, 2010, 05:21:35 pm
Hey Sully

Nah love summer, over 30 degrees suits me with warm nights. I hate wearing shirts and shoes so in the warm I can just get round in shorts.

Never had snow here. Way to warm, it may get down to zero degrees at night once a year maybe.

Inuit boots,  you should make some or buy some Ugg boots and modify them?
Title: Re: The Wodg Journal
Post by: KD on November 10, 2010, 01:06:10 am
I'm always scouting thrift stores for boots/shoes I can convert. There are so few footwear they sell that are purely made of natural materials/animal hide. even alot of the 'traditional Indian moccasins' I tried to get off ebay had some rubber in them, and the only 'barefoot' type footwear on the market that doesn't have composite materials seems to be those Huarache running sandals templates that cost like 50 bucks! Not to mention wouldn't work here in the winter. There must be a way to just sew a piece or two of leather on to something that looks presentable in society. :)
Title: Re: The Wodg Journal
Post by: Cinna on November 19, 2010, 09:25:03 pm
Hello Wodg, I hope you are well. :)

I'm always scouting thrift stores for boots/shoes I can convert. There are so few footwear they sell that are purely made of natural materials/animal hide. even alot of the 'traditional Indian moccasins' I tried to get off ebay had some rubber in them, and the only 'barefoot' type footwear on the market that doesn't have composite materials seems to be those Huarache running sandals templates that cost like 50 bucks! Not to mention wouldn't work here in the winter. There must be a way to just sew a piece or two of leather on to something that looks presentable in society. :)

These wouldn't work in your winter, but half-soles would be interesting to try. Sometimes when I dance, I use Capezio's Half-Sole Sandasol. They are cool because your foot is still "in contact" with the floor (your toes and heels) - so it's grounding - but the ball of your foot is protected (helps with turns). http://www.dancedepot.com/Capezio-Half-Sole-Sandasol-H03.html

http://www.discountdance.com/spframe_set.php3?mf=/dancewear/style_H03X.html&camp=Froogle_H03X&utm_source=Froogle&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=H03X&utm_campaign=Spring+2009

They come in tan/black, but I believe tan is more popular b/c the point is to have a barefoot look on stage. They get dirty/darken easily from dirt/sweat and I don't know how long they would last with frequent wear, but they're relatively inexpensive and could also be a template for something you could make... They're made out of leather with a bit of stretchy elastic in the back and at the center-top.

Don't let the model dancer's posturing fool you - they're not that pretty/feminine-looking on the foot. They almost look like a real full sandal from the front. If I were trying to go "barefoot" anywhere, I would use these. Also, inevitably debris/dirt would still get "in" (just like some sandals sometimes) - so your feet will still get dirty, but at least half of your foot is protected.

Size might be an issue for bigger feet, but maybe you can play with altering it... I wear a size 6 1/2, sometimes 6 or 7, shoe and I wear size 5 half-soles. And mine fit perfectly and very comfortably. I love them, but I don't wear them all the time because I prefer to have even more protection (too many stories about dancers with bits of glass still embedded in their feet... -\  the hazards of restaurant work - broken glass/plates, broken beads, butter, shards of nutshell, et al.).

There are also Dance Paws (more expensive), but I don't know if I'd recommend them... the ones I tried on in the store were uncomfortably tight or didn't stay on/up well... But it's another option (also for a barefoot "look"). There are also things called "Foot Thongs" (covers the ball of the foot, but even less coverage and no strap in the back) but the ones I've seen, the leather padding is very thin, maybe too thin - but if you're in the store anyway, check everything out. :)

http://www.discountdance.com/spframe_set.php3?mf=/dancewear/style_DP1.html&camp=Froogle_DP1&utm_source=Froogle&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=DP1&utm_campaign=Spring+2009

I saw Capezio's half-soles on ebay for @ $10, but for a true fit (and they stretch a bit after time), I recommend going to a dance supply shop (where they sell ballet slippers, jazz shoes, etc.) and trying them on - at least figure out your size... and happy dancing! :)  (The links above also have links to reviews if you want to check out some reviews.)
Title: Re: The Wodg Journal
Post by: Ioanna on November 29, 2010, 01:09:17 pm
hi wodg  :)

how is your training going?  shoeless?
Title: Re: The Wodg Journal
Post by: wodgina on November 29, 2010, 05:23:25 pm
Hey Ioanna.

Yeah been shoeless!

Tried out my bro's Vivo's too, there not too bad.

Done a few races mainly ocean paddling.

Also thinking about a post grad course.

Title: Re: The Wodg Journal
Post by: wodgina on November 29, 2010, 09:19:10 pm
Nearly summer and no hayfever now for two years in a row and no eczema.

Two things which made spring pretty crappy. I believe RPD, sun and evertime I started to think about hayfever I told my body to ignore this hayfever distraction stuff.

I want to treat my other (stubborn) symptoms, I believe these are a distraction from things I really don't want to deal with.
Title: Re: The Wodg Journal
Post by: wodgina on December 29, 2010, 08:40:10 am
Had Honey/orange juice glazed ham for Christmas plus some cherries as a part of my Xmas dinner. I also had turkey, prawns, oysters (yum) and drank water but it was the sugary stuff that really got me.

I paid the consequences and the next day I was so hungry for carbs I had some cashews. The next day after that stopping the carb cycle was hard. My candida flared up and I was hungry (no matter how much fat, meat, liver I ate) was anxious, couldn't think and had heart palpitations were so much I could see my heart pounding out of my chest. Felt better by midnight that day.

I'm in the clear today. I really don't think cheating is worth it even though my food on Xmas would of been considered healthy by 99.9% of the population.

Title: Re: The Wodg Journal
Post by: Sully on December 29, 2010, 08:47:26 am
Hey Sully

Nah love summer, over 30 degrees suits me with warm nights. I hate wearing shirts and shoes so in the warm I can just get round in shorts.

Never had snow here. Way to warm, it may get down to zero degrees at night once a year maybe.

Inuit boots,  you should make some or buy some Ugg boots and modify them?
Yeah I got some pretty good boots. I want to modify some sneakers so they don't squish and eform my toes any further.

BTW Yeah not worth going off diet. I always wondered how our ancestors felt, after going pretty much zero carb in winter then eating fruit when it was in plenty. I know fruit helps cool the body in summer but they must have felt something or perhaps the seasonal chnagedallowed them to adapt slowly to the diffreent foods availible.
Title: Re: The Wodg Journal
Post by: wodgina on December 29, 2010, 09:32:46 am
I imagine they would of been very ill after eating what I ate.

and I doubt they had candida problems like me especially growing up eating almost zero carb with lots of high meat, lot's of sunlight, excercise, not washing, being in the dirt and drinking dirty water.

Title: Re: The Wodg Journal
Post by: djr_81 on December 30, 2010, 02:34:40 am
Had Honey/orange juice glazed ham for Christmas plus some cherries as a part of my Xmas dinner. I also had turkey, prawns, oysters (yum) and drank water but it was the sugary stuff that really got me.

I paid the consequences and the next day I was so hungry for carbs I had some cashews. The next day after that stopping the carb cycle was hard. My candida flared up and I was hungry (no matter how much fat, meat, liver I ate) was anxious, couldn't think and had heart palpitations were so much I could see my heart pounding out of my chest. Felt better by midnight that day.

I'm in the clear today. I really don't think cheating is worth it even though my food on Xmas would of been considered healthy by 99.9% of the population.


I'm sorry to hear it. I still seem to pay some consequences for indulgences myself but they don't sound nearly as bad as you still pay. :(
Title: Re: The Wodg Journal
Post by: wodgina on January 13, 2011, 06:17:19 am

I'm keeping it really simple at the moment. Just doing 2 excercises with a 2 minute warm up at home. OH press and dead lift 3x5. 10 minute work out. I don't know if it's muscle memory but I seem to stack on the muscle within a couple of weeks.

It would take me that long to find my wallet and keys if I had to go to a GYM.
 
Title: Re: The Wodg Journal
Post by: KD on January 13, 2011, 06:26:12 am
sounds great. At the moment i'm not set up for that and snagged on throwing some cash towards fitness. the crossfit stuff does tend to whip me alot harder than I would ever do on my own, but most of the stuff can be accomplished more or less the same when you know your body.

long term I plan on just having a little garage by a sandy beach, lift and go dancing. hehe.
Title: Re: The Wodg Journal
Post by: wodgina on January 13, 2011, 07:26:13 am
sounds great. At the moment i'm not set up for that and snagged on throwing some cash towards fitness. the crossfit stuff does tend to whip me alot harder than I would ever do on my own, but most of the stuff can be accomplished more or less the same when you know your body.

long term I plan on just having a little garage by a sandy beach, lift and go dancing. hehe.

ha that is my place. Dog box on the beach.
Title: Re: The Wodg Journal
Post by: Ioanna on February 27, 2011, 10:59:31 am
i think i found something for my dry heels!!!  it's 'adama minerals feet treat xtreme'.  just started using it, i'll get back to you in a week or so.  8)

I'm in the clear today. I really don't think cheating is worth it even though my food on Xmas would of been considered healthy by 99.9% of the population.

i can't deviate either, and it drives me crazy!  :D  not that i want to cheat, but fruits.. salad.. honey..  that's all i'm asking!
Title: Re: The Wodg Journal
Post by: wodgina on March 03, 2011, 10:25:40 pm
i think i found something for my dry heels!!!  it's 'adama minerals feet treat xtreme'.  just started using it, i'll get back to you in a week or so.  8)

i can't deviate either, and it drives me crazy!  :D  not that i want to cheat, but fruits.. salad.. honey..  that's all i'm asking!

Let me know on the foot cream. Are you still wearing socks to bed!? I can't do it..

My thoughts at the moment I'm convinced more and more daily that most health problems/food intolerances are emotionally based. Everyone on here seems to have the same kind of personality.

Title: Re: The Wodg Journal
Post by: Ioanna on March 04, 2011, 02:57:22 am
Let me know on the foot cream. Are you still wearing socks to bed!? I can't do it..


nah, i couldn't do it... socks to bed is a pet peeve of mine, so i just would put a glob on my feet before putting on my work clothes.  so far i like this cream.


My thoughts at the moment I'm convinced more and more daily that most health problems/food intolerances are emotionally based. Everyone on here seems to have the same kind of personality.



i've been beating myself up for years thinking that i could have done this to myself.  in a psychology class in high school we watched a movie about someone with multiple personalities.  in one personality she developed horrible hives when she ate strawberries.  in another personality, she could eat strawberries without any problem.  this stuck with me, and i thought about it frequently when my ibs was bad. 

i don't think that way anymore. kind of how i don't believe in detox anymore.  if my body is reacting to something, it's been very real for me, and i have to make a real physical change to offset this reaction, whether dietary or discontinuing use of a chemical soap, etc.  i can handle all the stresses in my life just fine eating raf.  i cannot handle the simplest, beautiful, sunny beach day eating anything else. 
Title: Re: The Wodg Journal
Post by: wodgina on March 05, 2011, 09:05:52 pm


i've been beating myself up for years thinking that i could have done this to myself.  in a psychology class in high school we watched a movie about someone with multiple personalities.  in one personality she developed horrible hives when she ate strawberries.  in another personality, she could eat strawberries without any problem.  this stuck with me, and i thought about it frequently when my ibs was bad.  

i don't think that way anymore. kind of how i don't believe in detox anymore.  if my body is reacting to something, it's been very real for me, and i have to make a real physical change to offset this reaction, whether dietary or discontinuing use of a chemical soap, etc.  i can handle all the stresses in my life just fine eating raf.  i cannot handle the simplest, beautiful, sunny beach day eating anything else.  

Who know's? I wonder where you'll be in 5 years or so with diet and digestive problems and whether they calm down or whatever?
Title: Re: The Wodg Journal
Post by: djr_81 on March 08, 2011, 04:08:01 am
My thoughts at the moment I'm convinced more and more daily that most health problems/food intolerances are emotionally based. Everyone on here seems to have the same kind of personality.
There could definitely be something emotion based to it. Interestingly raw animal fat seems to emotionally calm most of us down which could be helping the healing. :)
Title: Re: The Wodg Journal
Post by: wodgina on May 03, 2012, 09:29:18 pm
Bit annoyed at the moment. I get 7kg of fatty grassfed ground beef from a local butcher and the last few weeks it's been hard to eat.

I know what grassfed meat looks and tastes like and this is not grassfed or very poor quality. I'm hoping that it's just a seasonal thing. I eat so much ground meat I'm a connoisseur of all it's it's flavours and colors! Bit desperate for the real stuff right now.
Title: Re: The Wodg Journal
Post by: wodgina on August 12, 2012, 11:26:16 pm
Started cross fit this week to get a bit of structure into my life.  Having business has thrown everything out of wack.

Also have had to tackle my perfectionism pretty much head on, suck up to people I can't stand, and not care so much.









Title: Re: The Wodg Journal
Post by: jessica on August 13, 2012, 10:28:52 am
awesome! let us know how crossfit goes, i have always wanted to join but am always too broke, thats why i go for potato farm fit /:, but i would definitely consider joining in the winter if i end up in a town and not doing physical labor.
Title: Re: The Wodg Journal
Post by: wodgina on August 20, 2012, 12:51:07 am
My biz is going absolutely gangbusters which is good. People are already stealing our ideas but  I'll take the scraps they don't chase and still grab the big jobs. 

awesome! let us know how crossfit goes, i have always wanted to join but am always too broke, thats why i go for potato farm fit /:, but i would definitely consider joining in the winter if i end up in a town and not doing physical labor.

It's going good. Yep it's a rip off. Really expensive. The people are kind of spergy.

Potato farm fit is better

The muscley  girls there make me feel confused...
Title: Re: The Wodg Journal
Post by: wodgina on March 27, 2013, 02:36:53 am
Had an interesting job today helping some people set up a raw food restaurant.

They looked very bohemian with their scarfs and crapped out van....but they were about to invest massive dollars setting up their raw food business. Sounded really nice on the phone but when I met them I thought they were nastier and more money hungry than anyone I've met and I meet a lot of entrenpreneurs/property developers and these hippies  were the worst so far. It really annoys me they dress like bums, act like 'free thinking hippies' but are nastier than any right wing person I have met.

Weird how the older and grumpier you get the more consertive you get (and it feels good).

Hope they don't read raw paleo!
Title: Re: The Wodg Journal
Post by: crysmarye on October 26, 2016, 05:57:35 pm
wood be intresting