Paleo Diet: Raw Paleo Diet and Lifestyle Forum

Raw Paleo Diet Forums => Off Topic => Topic started by: goodsamaritan on February 16, 2014, 02:58:33 am

Title: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: goodsamaritan on February 16, 2014, 02:58:33 am
Chime in guys and gals...

I am observing and seeing that we have arrived at that point... like Pottenger's cats experiment... where the last generation of his degenerate family tree became infertile, homosexual... and eventually died out... so that experiment ended.
http://therawfoodsite.com/raw-food/pottengers-cats/ (http://therawfoodsite.com/raw-food/pottengers-cats/)

SAD diet, GMO, intense urban pollution, vaccines, pharmaceutical medicine

The population controllers are winning and their drive to collapse birth rates, fertility rates, are succeeding even more wildly than they imagined it to be.

Google for NSSM 200 where the imperial machinery saw that their past world wars were not effective enough in depressing populations... they instead focused on sabotaging human reproduction via any and all other means... "reproductive health" propaganda with contraception, abortion, gay / homosexual propaganda... this is how WAR is waged in the present time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Study_Memorandum_200 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Study_Memorandum_200)

Cities are more gay than provincials...

http://henrymakow.com/2014/02/straight-woman-adrift-in-a-gay.html (http://henrymakow.com/2014/02/straight-woman-adrift-in-a-gay.html)

"Miami is absolutely the worst place to be a woman."

Total Fertility Rates worldwide are at an all time low.... and still going lower.

WE HAVE ARRIVED.

14 We are the last humans on Earth! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqrZeC2ee0k#)

I don't believe humans will be extinct, we are just due for a catastrophic reset... maybe more like the long drawn out collapse of the Roman Empire... it will get worse before it gets better.

It's already really really bad.  The poverty is so crushing most of our friends and family are so shit scared of their own sexuality... scared of reproducing.

Your thoughts, plans, strategies?

Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: van on February 16, 2014, 03:17:54 am
I think every specie on earth when having grown too large in numbers finds a way of reducing.  I don't think it's a plot, to the level of what you envision.  Yes there have been most subversive groups like Hitler and others who wanted to wean out the non perfect ones.   But remember those very same people who you'd suspect were responsible live by the same laws, breath the same air and live in large cities, eat similarly polluted food including gmo's, do drugs, drink alcohol, eat processed carbs with preservatives, cured factory farmed meat... and the list goes on.   As far as being gay.   I no longer pass judgment on people's choices for how they express themselves sexually, religiously or for that matter on anything other than when it comes to harming another.   And have noticed that those previous opinions or judgments of others ways were Strong clues to my own limited beliefs or way of thinking.  Gs you continue to startle me with your sometime prejudiced  expressions.    I wonder if you actually were to visit a refugee camp filled with thousands of starving diseased dying children/people whether you'd feel the same way about population or birth control, or about freely being able to express yourself sexually?   You have an education  and wealth enough to support those in your immediate living situation.  You are becoming the exception rather than the rule through the world. 
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: nummi on February 16, 2014, 04:22:45 am
Don't forget vegetarianism... this crap is often in mass media depicted as very positive for health. Sure, might work for some very very few individuals. Or against some certain health issues as a one time treatment, or such. But otherwise... seriously...

Humans will last longer than those cats did, because we have experience of thousands of years with cooked foods. But now there's all this... everything that's labeled as safe and normal that in reality is anything but. Have it all put on top of cooked foods and you end up worse than dead. I presume three or four more generations of this soup of crap and then it'll be here in full effect.

The best example of a collapse of civilization would the Mayan one. There are caves there that have pottery and such stuff in them that could only have gotten there if those caves weren't under water, and such times were about 15 000 years ago (wasn't the last ice age, or something similar, still going on that long ago?). As well there are very very many ruins of towns, averaging around 2 or 3 square kilometers, in the forests there, all thousands of years old. So what happened there? No one knows.
Considering the amount of towns the population must have been immense, far too high to be sustainable with their level of knowledge and society and civilization as a whole, the reason it all failed. Right now we are at a similar state - our global population is by about 4, even 5, billions too high, and our present knowledge that moves around in those masses, which in truth is made of almost only lies and delusions, cannot and will not sustain such numbers.
A collapse will, it has to, come again. A new beginning is needed. A dead end has been reached. Right now its just dragging on.

A course correction is needed if one is reached. Where is one? It's been years, decades even. All the while everything is getting worse. They say the people have the power, yet nothing is done against the rulers if they repeatedly make things worse. Because the people themselves don't know what to do, and those rulers come from the people - a dead circle before it began.
Negativity promotes thinking, justice, as well negative qualities but they don't tend to survive either way. This mess we are in makes many of us actually smarter - we see how matters must not be and we are far more prone to live by that which would be better. Those who are smart enough have to simply survive the collapse and then assume leadership, by whatever means necessary. Generations would be raised with newer and better values. Until it either reaches another end and collapse, or they will be smart enough to foresee it and course correct themselves.

Religion has been an extremely negative influence. Those who spoke out, in the past, the medieval and such times, were branded as heretics, witches, warlocks, and whatever else, just to remove them permanently. They were killed. Potential was killed on purpose, because they were right, they had the right. Religion still is a major issue everywhere, in regards to eventual consequences, because it has an extremely strong tendency to keep people very stupid and blind.

Dead ends. As an example, Soviet era reached one as well. It collapsed. Countries were "freed", they assumed new courses - true capitalism - sort of moved on for a while. But. They have reached yet another end. A new course correction is needed, but all they do instead is follow money even though it gets them absolutely nowhere. Because money has reached it's own dead end as well. A new course is needed already on that level, and the only one is one without.
The same goes about so many values, globally - dead ends - traditions, faiths, patriotism, nationalism, getting "paid" for a job, teaching to follow rules instead of teaching to think independently, etc.
Presently they all just drag onward toward nothing.
If a dead end is reached, anything that gives a direction, a nudge in any direction, is usually embraced with a broad smile. Because it's better than not moving at all. If only they put, if only they could, a little realistic thought into anything...

It will come. People will die, they would have to one way or another - there are far too many - things have gone too far already for "peaceful" and "ethical" alternatives.

Those who know and live and eat as a true human are inherently apt to better awareness. When shit hits the fan it's best to get out of the way and just let it happen, or it will blow you away with the rest.

Until then all you can really do is your best educating people about the state of our society, and what is really going on. Even create "groups" for better support and helping, make events where you talk to others, get public as best you can, etc. Most importantly teach what is food and what is not. And just hope, because there still is potential.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: LePatron7 on February 16, 2014, 06:22:17 am
Article - Reproductive health in humans and wildlife: are adverse trends associated with environmental chemical exposure?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9372623 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9372623)
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: goodsamaritan on February 16, 2014, 06:36:37 pm
You are becoming the exception rather than the rule through the world. 

Van,

Thanks for your input, much appreciated.

All of us here are the exceptions... the "weirdos"... we are raw paleo dieters... we are far weirder than the cooked paleo diet mainstream... weirder than the vegans.

We all got into raw paleo diets because we want to survive, because we want to be healthy, we are consistently at odds with the current system...

But we are also a diverse bunch: we all come from different parts of the globe.  Various cultures, varied experiences, various dreams, various wishes, various ages.

I would think since we are so much in it for our own personal survival, some of us would also be in it for the survival of our children and our grand children.

We all agree that this current time is so "fucked up"... we are so "there already"... we have arrived at the Pottenger's cats... dead end...

So how about that survival instinct huh?

Are we just going to lay down and die? 
Or are we going to be preppers and try to survive?
What of our children and their children?
Some of us want to inherit this earth.
Ideas and suggestions being solicited.

----

Nummi... thanks so much for your input... thanks for your time in writing that... brain food... :)

DaBoss... thanks for the supporting link.


-------

The Enemy's Plan to Kill You through the Foods You Eat

The Enemy's Plan to Kill You through the FoodsYou Eat: Pottenger's Cats Experiment (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7ll4WkT3Bk#)
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: van on February 17, 2014, 12:00:47 am
If you look at the Pottenger study,  think about a bit.   There are cats all around the world that never place a foot outdoors and Never eat anything but cooked food, that are able to reproduce easily.   I'm a raw food advocate all the way for my animals... but something doesn't add up here. 
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: nummi on February 17, 2014, 01:08:35 am
If you look at the Pottenger study,  think about a bit.   There are cats all around the world that never place a foot outdoors and Never eat anything but cooked food, that are able to reproduce easily.   I'm a raw food advocate all the way for my animals... but something doesn't add up here.
Cats from back then and now can be slightly different. There have been generations in between who've had time to adapt some bit to cooked food and other crap.

There's a cat here where I live. It is of a specific breed. It is a disgusting thing. In contrast, where my father works there are two cats, just normal cats, no bred things, they do eat all kinds of stuff, even processed crap, but they also catch mice and do get raw meat and fat. Difference between the the bred thing and those two cats is as good as absolute. The one in the house is broken in so many ways - doesn't eat right (not just what it eats but how it eats); eyes emit some crap; nasal passage problems; stench from the mouth; a canine is crooked; mood swings; asks for food all the time no matter that it doesn't need it, and then the food just sits and dries and once it's dried it won't eat it either way and still asks for more; sheds fur nonstop, all the time (seriously, sheep should be ashamed of themselves, producing so little!); doesn't even know how to shit right (for real), etc. It's a thing, not a cat, not even an animal, it's an abomination. It's been on processed crap since birth, and it was taken away from the mother far too early, perhaps two weeks old, morons... (doubtful being with the mother long enough could've changed much...).

The cat is not mine, I'm not responsible for it. My oldest brother's girl is the true "owner" and she completely believes the bullshit some "experts" say. So it is fed "food" full of grains and other industry leftovers and it is claimed to be "quality" food for cats, in fact the ingredients are listed on the package (I read them... the evidence to the cause of almost everything is right on the package of the "food"). There was a period when that grain crap was out, for about a week, and the thing improved significantly in every way, it even got some raw meat from me (absolutely loves raw meat). Then they bought more of that grain crap and fed more to it. I tried saying what the cause is but... the usual and expected response - total ignoration (this a word?). Everything's back to extremely bad. And now I'm done feeding it raw meat, not worth destroying my nerves and wasting good food. (They took the cat prematurely and then left it, in truth they haven't taken care of it as good as ever.)

Pottenger's cats were in controlled environments. House cats are not, not all. If they can get outside they can and will catch at least bugs and eat them, and nibble on grass stalks occasionally. That reminds, the broken thing loves being outside during summer days, even whole days straight, no wonder why - all kinds of bugs, and it does eat them.
The "wilder" the worse and faster the effect will be. They can survive processed foods if they can get raw foods enough from time to time. But just as humans, so are animals on a wrong diet, as sick.

So there's some adaptation to processed stuff on breeds. But if you take real cats then they actually would die out when subjected to only processed foods for generations. For undamaged and unaltered animals raw food is an absolute necessity.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: van on February 17, 2014, 04:34:46 am
there are 'house' cats that are kept in complete isolation to the outside world and fed only commercially processed cat food devoid of any rawness that are bred generation after generation for profit.  And yes I agree, I have a feral cat who've we've adopted who has only eaten raw for over 15 years...  I know that difference.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: goodsamaritan on February 18, 2014, 01:49:08 am
More news that shows we are near the end of the Pottenger's Cats degeneration:

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/young-japanese-arent-interested-in-sex-2013-10 (http://www.businessinsider.com.au/young-japanese-arent-interested-in-sex-2013-10)

Almost Half Of Young Japanese Women Are Not Interested In Sex
Oct 22 2013

WTF?

a shocking statistic from the Japan Family Planning Association (JFPA) that 45% of Japanese women aged 16-24 “were not interested in or despised sexual contact.”

----------

And their population decline continues... and with their young women supposedly at their SEXUAL PRIME / REPRODUCTIVE PRIME... 45%... are effectively neutered.

And if they did that kind of survey in many parts of the world... they would report the same thing...

Even the attitudes of some fellow parents in our school think their children should be asexual and only think about marriage and babies by at least 31... they write about this on facebook and say these things outright.

IF I'm raising my children well on a mostly paleo diet with a touch of raw here and there... I should expect healthy horny boys and girls by 16 yrs of age.

Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arr
Post by: RogueFarmer on February 19, 2014, 08:46:54 pm
they put essential nutrients in dog and cat food. i seem to remember that in potengers cats they were fed meat but not organs? muscle flesh alone does not provide all the nutrition required by dogs and cats. raw milk must provide these essential nutrients?
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: Iguana on February 20, 2014, 02:33:52 am
they put essential nutrients in dog and cat food. i seem to remember that in potengers cats they were fed meat but not organs? muscle flesh alone does not provide all the nutrition required by dogs and cats.
Yes, I think you're right.

Quote
raw milk must provide these essential nutrients?
Pottenger's cats were provided with milk as well.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: eveheart on February 20, 2014, 02:48:12 am
they put essential nutrients in dog and cat food. i seem to remember that in potengers cats they were fed meat but not organs? muscle flesh alone does not provide all the nutrition required by dogs and cats. raw milk must provide these essential nutrients?

The discovery that taurine is an essential amino acid for cats came after Pottenger's experiments. In my mind, that alone accounts for the decline in the experimental group of cats.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: cherimoya_kid on February 21, 2014, 07:12:57 am
The discovery that taurine is an essential amino acid for cats came after Pottenger's experiments. In my mind, that alone accounts for the decline in the experimental group of cats.

Sounds like we have an answer, then. 
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: goodsamaritan on February 21, 2014, 07:41:47 am
My accounting clerk grew up in Tondo, Manila, a poor part of the city where my own mother and aunts grew up. My mom is now 67 and my employee is 30.

My employee says he grew up within an epidemic of homosexuality in that same part of town, Tondo.  I asked him some numbers, and this is what he said:

4 out of 10 males were homosexual in his age group he mingled with.
3 out of 10 females were in homosexual relationships, clarifying that 1.5 looked like butch tomboys and 1.5 still looked female.

Povert, poor nutrition, physical degeneration, high density, homosexuality...

...they get all the wheat junk, corn junk, rice junk, farmed animal junk, soya junk, bad cooking oil junk, instant noodles, canned goods, artificial instant sachet flavorings, plus urban pollution.

Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: nummi on February 21, 2014, 09:36:56 am
Take a human as an example and (assuming you could do it) envision that person in perfect condition (from life's perspective). Or something very close to it as some faults are already dictated by DNA (evolution/adaptation in progress). Then you actually look at that person and whatever does not fit the envisionment is a "disease".
Or just take a sick human and envision perfection, works the same really...

Inherently, no normal (I mean real normal) human is sick.
Well there's the mothers' diets... And damn... The sperm and the egg could as well be damaged by the parents diets and so the child is actually born inherently sick (or not?). Wouldn't make sickness right either way. The next generation even sicker, until extinction or evolution/adaptation catches up.
There are some that are genetically already messed up, like down syndrome and such. Perhaps that's evolution/adaptation trying to fit around grains (and others) and their effect on the brain? To sort of isolate the issue by finding a path around the cause? Even if true it wouldn't matter, evolution does not happen that fast. Extinction or "going back and to the side simultaneously" in evolution would come first (wait... this is what those with down syndrome look like... sort of... like an experiment gone wrong). (Loss in intelligence would be one effect, as have to compensate for the "rapid" changes from something? and what good of a mind you as good as can't use anyway?).
Have any such genetic "illnesses" been identified on bones predating the use of grains (and perhaps even cooking)? Because such genetic malformations make little to no sense. Evolution/adaptation would not happen like that unless there was a severe necessity or a "catalyst" of some kind; it would happen "slowly" without such severe hindrances to individual's life quality, because each individual is, potentially, responsible for the species' survival, which is potentially responsible for life's own survival. Such severe changes, to trigger such genetic changes, in the life of our species have only been in diet.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: goodsamaritan on February 22, 2014, 07:23:02 am
I interviewed a 23 year old girl in the poor area of Zabarte, Caloocan City and she observes in her generation:

3 homosexual / gay men out of 10 males.

8 out of 10 females are homosexual (butch type and or females with the butch types) only 2 females are exclusively heterosexual... says girls involved with butch types after a few years become butches themselves!  Sounds infectious like vampires.

Gay men in women's toilets are common and just okay / normal for her generation, but sees only the old people frowning upon this practice.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: van on February 22, 2014, 08:07:06 am
something seems amiss.  Here in the US we have poverty and many find it hard to go day to day feeding themselves, yet with a horrible western junk food diet, seem to have little problem finding partners of the opposite sex to procreate with, over and over.   I have a suspicion that people's use of the internet and the limited real connections that go amiss from only texting others may have something to do with potential heterosexual couples not only not having the opportunity to exchange pheromones, but for a woman to be attracted to man, at least for many, they need to have more of a connection than the internet can support.   This may be more of the case in Asia where I believe the cell phone is king.   
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: eveheart on February 22, 2014, 08:32:27 am
3 homosexual / gay men out of 10 males.

8 out of 10 females are homosexual (butch type and or females with the butch types) only 2 females are exclusively heterosexual... says girls involved with butch types after a few years become butches themselves!  Sounds infectious like vampires.

I live in a very gay-tolerant area of the US, and processed junk food is the rule here, and we have nothing like that statistics you provided in your post. I even googled "Lesbianism in the Philippines" and found statistics like "11% of sexually active Filipinos between the ages of 15 and 24 have had sex with someone of the same sex."

I have no way of discerning the reason for the high percentage of lesbians in the poor area of Zabarte, Caloocan City, in the event that your interviewee was not exaggerating or representing mere female friendship and current punk style as demonstrating true lesbianism, but I'd send a team of sociologists to study this phenomenon if it were true, because the main reason for becoming lesbian among the women I know is gross mistreatment, sexual coercion, and abuse by men.

In contrast, the gay men that I know were always gay, and they did not turn from heterosexual to homosexual because of precipitating events.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: van on February 22, 2014, 10:43:51 am
Interesting,,, I just heard in the car a radio program (couldn't stay for the whole show, had my horse to ride) but it was about some herbicide that was causing homosexuality and the cover up and threatening attacks on the university professor who had done the study with I think rats? not sure what the animal it was.  But it lost it's male hormones, maybe even it's masculine parts, and then preferred other males to the females.   Maybe your peoples are in a heavy area where That herbicide is being used extensively, like banana groves?   I thought it was most coincidental seeing as how I had just written about my little hunch with cell phones and texting..
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arr
Post by: RogueFarmer on February 22, 2014, 11:10:34 am
"poor" americans are rich compared to most of the rest of the world. i own seven cows, i would be a wealthy man in most countries yet i am poor by american standards. a lot of people i know drive a car worth more than everything i own. the point is almost anyone in murica can get meat. hey fast food even has organ meat in it. since we are carnivores meat plays an important role in our reproductive capabilities. some of the poorest, like me live healthier than some of the richest in th backass forwards culture. anybody can buy a gun and go shoot a deer or put a hook on a line and fill a bucket with catfish.

dollar a breast chicken thighs anyone?   

out east they been through wars and shit. not to mention were forced to develop sustainable agriculture methods to barely feed themselves in such high population rates. then long winded years of war came, people couldn't afford white flour, if wheat was available at all, lived off of millet and a handful of rice a day. had to hide a snake lest someone steal it or report it which would probably end in a quick execution to be added to the days mass burial. youknow like over her, we shit in a toilet of water. over there they coveted (and usually still do) human shit as a means of food production whether it goes into the garden or gets fed to pigs or shrimp.whole different ballgame across the pond and the caucus mountains or southof the panama canal. i mean isnt the statistic that eighty percent of the world eats insects and in america about ninety nine percent say ew?   
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: JeuneKoq on February 23, 2014, 01:14:36 am
About this whole homosexuality discussion lets not forget that homosexual acts amongst humans have existed since the beginnings of time, and long before chemical pollution happened.
 
One very famous homosexual in France's history is no other than Louis XIV's brother, Philippe of Orleans. He was forced into marrying a woman but he had many male lovers, and could afford to be pretty open about his attraction for men even at that time, being the brother of the king.
The most famous homosexuals in history are most certainly the ancient Greeks, who for a great part only had sex with women for the sake of reproducing.
Does that mean they where inhaling car fumes or breathing in pesticides at that time  :P? I don't think so...

What has been observed in the wild is that most highly social creatures tend to demonstrate homosexual conducts with members of their clan. Lions, wolfs, turtles, dolphins, zebras, you name it. 450 different species and counting have shown to initiate sexual and erotic acts with members of the same sex.
Some homosexual couples in animals will even become parents and raise a child together. For example a wild goose in a lesbian couple will deliberately mate with a male goose and come back to her female partner with the offspring to raise with her.
Experts view differ on the possibility of a genetic origin to homosexuality.
I believe homosexual and bisexual acts possess a great role in creating and tightening social bonds with members of a clan. Bonobos randomly have sex just to calm things down when tensions between members arise  ;D.

I don't know if it's the case for every guy here but when I was little (7-9 years old) and not yet totally programmed by the social environment I grew up in, I found great pleasure in mimicking sodomic positions with my little brother (one of us did have to wear underpants because in our mind touching someone else's butt was still "uuuwww"). When I was with my cousin or my best friends I would enjoy touching their penises and letting them touch mine. And it didn't feel shameful or wrong at all. It was all very impulsive, instinctual. They where all socially the closest people I had. It felt like it was naturally the next step in loving friendship after playing around in the garden or playroom.
I think bisexuality is quite normal for us humans but is looked down upon because of the long social conditioning we have experienced individually for the past millennials or centuries. Don't get me wrong I'm not down to have sex with a male just now either :P. Also I'm not saying we should come to one extreme and become opposite-sex rejecters like some ancient Greek societies.

I'm just saying homosexual tendencies are most likely not entirely due to chemical polluting; and as one of the socially highest specie of all, it would be actually odd if bisexuality turned out to be unnatural amongst humans.

 

Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: Iguana on February 23, 2014, 05:23:45 am
That’s true, bisexuality may well be the norm. I never had any homosexual drive and did not have similar experiences as you had as a kid;  I’m even disgusted by open homosexuality between men, but it could be due to cultural influence. You mention bonobos, our closest relatives: they have plenty of genital contacts, both hetero and homo.   
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: Sorentus on February 23, 2014, 07:55:39 am
I've read about Pottenger's cats around 3 years back when I was eating fast food and changed my diet for a "healthy" diet, eating plenty of pasteurized butter, coconut oil, meat and not limiting my intake of eggs, avoiding fast food and doing my exercise 3 times a day and drinking only water and coffee.I was also eating plenty of toast with peanut butter ,wheat noodles, cereal and taking all those healthy supplement to avoid becoming ill, the irony.

I wish I could have made the link back then, that what applied for cats eating cooked food was the same for humans, perhaps I could have prevent all that damaged to my body before it happens. I guess one has to become extremely sick before they can make such realizations, I look back now and I feel that people are doomed, eating processed food, taking antibiotic like they are candies and listen to the media that cholesterol is evil.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: goodsamaritan on February 23, 2014, 04:25:40 pm
The epidemic we are having in our poor districts look something like these pictures:

Markedly more young people looking like this than the older generations... and even when they are little.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: goodsamaritan on February 23, 2014, 07:35:42 pm
I just interviewed our new 18yr old maid and without telling her my other stats, she volunteered her stats by her eyes in her town of Lawaan, antique up int he mountains:

3 out of 10 boys were homosexual of that look above.
4 out of 10 females were lesbian, 2 looked like butches like above and 2 girls paired with those 2 butches.

So this epidemic of homosexuality happens in the provinces as well.

---- re-interviewed for clarity ----
* updated Feb 25, 8:15am *

I just interviewed our new 18yr old maid and without telling her my other stats, she volunteered her stats by her eyes in her town of Lauaan, Antique up in the mountains:

3 out of 110 boys were homosexual of that look above.
4 out of 110 females were lesbian, 2 looked like butches like above and 2 girls paired with those 2 butches.

---- re-interviewed for clarity ----
* updated Feb 25, 8:15am *
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: eveheart on February 24, 2014, 03:00:41 am
I just interviewed our new 18yr old maid and without telling her my other stats, she volunteered her stats by her eyes in her town of Lawaan, antique up int he mountains:

3 out of 10 boys were homosexual of that look above.
4 out of 10 females were lesbian, 2 looked like butches like above and 2 girls paired with those 2 butches.

So this epidemic of homosexuality happens in the provinces as well.

How are you defining homosexuality? Females who cut their hair short?

In my location, gender orientation is self-reported. In fact, there are laws here against assigning a person to a demographic group by appearance when the purposed is to collect government statistics.

In private (here), assigning a person to a demographic group by appearance is a form of petty gossip.

Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: goodsamaritan on February 24, 2014, 06:20:59 am
These people i interviewed define homosexuality as they report it to me.
As i showed you in those pictures.
These young people know what they are talking about regarding their own generation.


And over dinner i compared my high school batch with my wife's batch and my sister in law's batch, also with my father in law's batch... My father in law is 77.

Im 44 and during my time there were 2 - 3 homo males in 160+ in our batch.  Maybe just the same ratio more or less with my father in law's time.

So we thought of the cultural norms that maybe since people are more open about their homosexuality now a days... Could explain for the apparent rise in their openness.

But a visual report from 3 individuals who don't know one another that 30% aka 30 out of 100 of their males are loud broadcasting homosexual just does not feel like it is about openness.  There really seems to be an epidemic. 

Me and my pro healer friend Sifu Jen Sam were discussing the possibilities of pttengers cats, soya, estrogen foods, bad filipino diet, pesticides, herbicides, electro magnetic pollution, vaccines, drink, junk foods, etc.

It's not fashion, it's very real, it's not unlawful gossip, this should set the impetus to perform more scientific studies.  Something is killing our people, and these are the end results.

Markedly increased homosexuality, males and females not interested in sex, early age erectile dysfunctions, very low sperm counts, sprouting out of many infertility specialists, more more more diseases and early deaths. 
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: TylerDurden on February 24, 2014, 07:00:05 am
Looks like GS is confusing homosexuality with masculinity/femininity.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: goodsamaritan on February 24, 2014, 09:44:23 am
Looks like GS is confusing homosexuality with masculinity/femininity.

No I am not.
The people I interview define it themselves.
I am saying there seems to be an epidemic of homosexuality going on in humans that mimics the Pottengers cats experiment.
And we are at the end stage in our country, it is not just urban, it is also a provincial phenomenon.

Just as we are raw paleo dieters and we are aware of how healthy we should ideally be, we in our scientific honesty - ignoring idiotic political "laws" against honest observation - can see what is happening to the younger generation.

If you are a responsible parent or grand parent, it is important we cover our own descendants' asses against obliteration a la Pottenger's cats.

The first step is to realize, there is a big problem, it is real.

I will go on interviewing more people from different provinces and ages to see how bad the degeneration really is.

Since many here like studies... then let these observations be an impetus for scientific studies to be made.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: Sorentus on February 24, 2014, 10:12:36 am
Homosexuality alone is not enough to claim that we are at human's last rope, how unhealthy and sick were the homosexual cats? If you compare the state of health of the homosexual cat and the young homosexual person that is arising, can we say they are just as sick?
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: eveheart on February 24, 2014, 12:26:48 pm
No I am not.
The people I interview define it themselves.

If that's the case, perhaps you can ask your interviewees to define homosexuality and record each person's answer along with your tally.

Quote
assigning a person to a demographic group by appearance...]assigning a person to a demographic group by appearance...

Perhaps you can also ask, "Can a person's sexual orientation be determined by that person's appearance?"

If a person says that they can tell by appearance alone, prepare a bank of photos of everyday male and female faces to test their accuracy. Make sure the photo bank includes all ages, hairstyles, etc. The interviewees must not know the people in the photograph, and you must not tell them if they are right or wrong.

THEN, you will have a valid set of interviews. As far as I am concerned, validity is the most important parameter in experimental results.

Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: cherimoya_kid on February 24, 2014, 12:51:18 pm
Edwin, no one cares. Gay people are perfectly capable of reproducing if they choose to.  They're just MUCH less likely to accidentally reproduce.  Do you really think accidental reproduction is a good thing?  That just leads to unwanted babies, which increases the crime rate,. the number of people in prison, etc..
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: goodsamaritan on February 24, 2014, 01:36:52 pm
If that's the case, perhaps you can ask your interviewees to define homosexuality and record each person's answer along with your tally.

Perhaps you can also ask, "Can a person's sexual orientation be determined by that person's appearance?"

If a person says that they can tell by appearance alone, prepare a bank of photos of everyday male and female faces to test their accuracy. Make sure the photo bank includes all ages, hairstyles, etc. The interviewees must not know the people in the photograph, and you must not tell them if they are right or wrong.

THEN, you will have a valid set of interviews. As far as I am concerned, validity is the most important parameter in experimental results.


The 23 year old girl in Zabarte comes from the point of view where she is considered a female, but has sex with both men (not gays), and women butches.   
So she considers herself part of her observed 8 out of 10 females who are not exclusively heterosexual.
She's got lots female suitors and ex butch relationships and past boyfriends, but also had a serious boyfriend relationship.
Maybe she's biased out of her own experience.

CK, as far as people not caring... I understand that comes from a population controller's point of view... the more the population is depressed the better.

"Accidental" reproduction is not as accidental as you think.  It's part of the dynamics of natural reproduction.

I'm a healer and a pro-lifer and a raw paleo dieter, yes I can see how bad things are and I realize it is bad.   I would like to know what factors are causing this epidemic so I can heal people and give preventitive measures for those who ask my help.

I feel our happiness with our personal health needs to extend to others.


Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: eveheart on February 24, 2014, 01:51:55 pm
The 23 year old girl in Zabarte comes from the point of view where she is considered a female, but has sex with both men (not gays), and women butches.   
So she considers herself part of her observed 8 out of 10 females who are not exclusively heterosexual.
She's got lots female suitors and ex butch relationships and past boyfriends, but also had a serious boyfriend relationship.

How large was her sample size? How did she (or you) make sure the sample was completely random?

The reason I asked is because I have been to parties hosted by lesbian couples where 80% of the attendees were lesbians... but that does not make 80% of the women in the city of San Jose lesbian.

Like the saying goes: "There are lies, damn lies, and statistics."
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: goodsamaritan on February 24, 2014, 03:49:57 pm
Yes, I know Eve, this is why I say there needs to be statistically accurate statistics.
It is there in my disclaimer that these are person to person judgements.

Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: eveheart on February 24, 2014, 04:48:14 pm
Yes, I know Eve, this is why I say there needs to be statistically accurate statistics.
It is there in my disclaimer that these are person to person judgements.

IMO, offering a person to person judgment is different from arriving at a conclusion.

The precedent you cite is a poor one because Pottenger's cats were fed a diet deficient in a now-known essential amino acid, so extrapolating from Pottenger's findings and conclusions is poorly supported.

Disclaim all you want, I still want to know the sample size and randomization that was used to get your 80% lesbianism rate. Without those validating numbers plus the bias of the interviewee, you have not give a rate that pertains to lesbianism, but to the interviewee's personal contacts. And that does not suggest that Pottenger's results have arrived in the human race.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: goodsamaritan on February 24, 2014, 04:51:57 pm
Interviewed my 2 other male employees today:

Eric is 23 yrs old, grew up in Marikina City in an all boys school called Marist.
He estimates some 10% or 1 in 10 males in his school were gay / homosexual.

Carl is 21 yrs old, studied high school in a coed school in Maceda, Manila.
He estimates in his batch of 100 students coed, so 50 of them are male.
Some 20 homosexuals out of  50 males or 40% are homosexuals.

For Carl, it is the same statistic for females... 20 out of 50 females were tomboys or lesbians... about 10 are the butch type.

Very interesting observations from the youngsters themselves.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: goodsamaritan on February 24, 2014, 05:12:58 pm
On a lighter note, because it seems homosexuality is a new and exciting touchy topic in the USA media, well we are far ahead of you in gay acceptance because they've been in mass media TV and radio far far longer in the Philippines... I grew up with them in the 1970s on TV.

The mass media industry knows how prevalent gays and tomboys are, there are prime time shows who feature them:

That's my Tomboy Grand Finals 2014
That's My Tomboy Grand Finals (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_nUF-ZMX-4#)

PoGay Weekly Finals Feb 15, 2014
I am pogay weekly finals Feb 15 2014 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUsloVhdYyo#)

Go on Youtube and search for the terms: "pogay" and "that's my tomboy"

Youtube search for That's my Tomboy Finals
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=that%27s%20my%20tomboy%20finals&sm=3 (http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=that%27s%20my%20tomboy%20finals&sm=3)

PoGay = Pogi + Gay = Handsome + Gay

Click here http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=pogay%20showtime%20finals&sm=3 (http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=pogay%20showtime%20finals&sm=3)

Epidemic it still is.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: TylerDurden on February 24, 2014, 06:08:08 pm
IMO, offering a person to person judgment is different from arriving at a conclusion.

The precedent you cite is a poor one because Pottenger's cats were fed a diet deficient in a now-known essential amino acid, so extrapolating from Pottenger's findings and conclusions is poorly supported.
  Err, no it does not. Pottenger's  experiment at the time used standard pet food that was deficient in taurine due to cooking/processing. It was only after taurine was artificially introduced to the mix that the cats stopped degenerating so fast.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: Eric on February 24, 2014, 09:35:02 pm
I will go on interviewing more people from different provinces and ages to see how bad the degeneration really is.

So it sounds like you're claiming that homosexuality (or, in many cases, bisexuality) is a symptom of human degeneration?

Now that the world knows that the owner of the RPD forum believes homosexuals are human degenerates, RPD is sure to be taken seriously around the world. I'm sure people are rushing to sign up for the forum as we speak...
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: goodsamaritan on February 24, 2014, 10:13:07 pm
It goes to show that true scientific inquiry does not bow down to usa politics. Your issue with degeneration is something Pottenger observed. Something i am now observing with my own people. These are my people.

I just interviewed Neng 23yrs old of Pasay City and she swears in her high school batch that 60% of males were homosexual and 40% of females were homosexual.

Neng says her own mom gave her and her sisters boy clothes. She threw them back. But her 2 sisters turned out tomboys.


Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: TylerDurden on February 24, 2014, 10:15:15 pm
So it sounds like you're claiming that homosexuality (or, in many cases, bisexuality) is a symptom of human degeneration?

Now that the world knows that the owner of the RPD forum believes homosexuals are human degenerates, RPD is sure to be taken seriously around the world. I'm sure people are rushing to sign up for the forum as we speak...
Not quite. To be fair, GS seems to  believe that a certain amount of time spent eating a raw, palaeolithic diet will somehow make everyone heterosexual again.This might take years or further generations(?)
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: goodsamaritan on February 24, 2014, 10:26:35 pm
My own child was a victim of Soya and showed homosexual characteristics at 1 yr old... termed baklita... we researched and found SOY to be the culprit. One month eliminating all soy and he was male masculine again.

No sacred cows. Call a spade a spade. Science and problem recognition and solving must go on.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: Iguana on February 24, 2014, 10:43:30 pm
Not quite. To be fair, GS seems to  believe that a certain amount of time spent eating a raw, palaeolithic diet will somehow make everyone heterosexual again.This might take years or further generations(?)

It certainly won't! Especially if bisexuality turns out to be the normal state of homo sapiens, as it is for our close relatives bonobos and plenty of other animals.

I agree with Eric that such topics do no good for this forum.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: nummi on February 24, 2014, 10:51:45 pm
Perhaps you could ask some of the gays, or find out somehow, what their diets are, in as much detail as possible?
I googled "homosexuality in Philippines" resulting in reports that there are many gays and the country is very gay friendly... "Friendliness" itself might be a good thing but first should be established what the condition exactly is, and if there is one, and what causes it to know what the "tone" of friendliness should be. Right now it is in general public, globally, regarded as something natural, something normal. But if it is the cause of malnutrition and false diet then it is nothing more than an "illness" just as is obesity. As well it is very clear that food people eat in general becomes farther and farther from what our bodies have evolved to use, and the number of gays, percentage wise, is increasing in parallel. (Then you can see everywhere arguments that it is not about the increase of gays but about them "coming out of the closet", yet actually answering nothing. This "argument" has the same flavor to it as does "human nature" and "god made it". So...
Always ask why, at one point it must get to "I don't know". If it does not then the person is lying. Because we do not know everything, and won't most probably forever. The "most probably" is in essence "I don't know".
There's as well probability and objective logic that must be accounted for, not to mention true "common sense". Almost all "pro-gay", pro-capitalism, pro-religious, etc., arguments lack these completely.)

Getting to know what exactly they eat, the specific individuals who are gays, would clarify matters immensely. As well to find out what eat those who aren't gay, in as much detail as possible. All in the same area. And in best scenario many areas. Basically statistics.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: goodsamaritan on February 24, 2014, 11:27:08 pm
It certainly won't! Especially if bisexuality turns out to be the normal state of homo sapiens, as it is for our close relatives bonobos and plenty of other animals.

I agree with Eric that such topics do no good for this forum.

Iguana, the issue is not bisexuality, it really is homosexuality... real preference for the same sex.  I know bisexual people personally, friends and relatives... it's not them... it is the homosexuals as Pottenger describes it... the ones who will not reproduce.

The sudden observed increase in prevalence of homosexuality of my Filipino people is a matter of concern because the jump in a few years is extremely high.  From my time when today I'm 45 and with the ones I interviewed in their early 20s.  My time at 45 and my father in law's time at 77... the prevalence was more or less the same.

Now some of you may not care about my people, but I most certainly do.
Is something poisoning our younger generation?
Is a big nutritional deficiency the issue?
When the Americans arrived at the start of the 20th century, Filipinos were plagued with TB and Beri Beri.
Our culture has always been gay friendly, so it is a non-issue for our culture, unlike in the past decade of American mass media where you think it is a sacred cow.

Pottenger's cats has every relevance to this forum.  The fact that Pottenger observed homosexuality as part of the degeneration of his cats shows during his time he was not censored unlike today's USA politics.  Glad to know, we don't need to bow down to one country's politics to stifle scientific investigation that is much needed. 

If you don't like this topic, you don't have to read it.  I don't read every topic in the forum myself because I have to budget my own time.  But this observation is very personal to me because I'm doing the investigating, my time, my people, and my children will be teenagers soon enough.

Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: van on February 25, 2014, 01:15:08 am
I agree with GS that diets affect ones amount of sexual interest.. this is at least true for me.   But what will take much more extensive analysis will be whether or not the very fact that Gay or bi is so well received where he lives that it is simply allowing young people a means to self express, or even experiment where in other societies it's not.  To experiment could be perceived as heightened sexuality! and not a decreasing sexual urge. 
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: TylerDurden on February 25, 2014, 03:51:36 am
I recall reading that homosexuals have c. 1/6th the number of children that heterosexuals have. So they do reproduce a bit.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: goodsamaritan on February 25, 2014, 08:06:18 am
Healthier news pouring in...

----

I interviewed our 21 yr old maid from Bankalan, Negros.
She says her batch size was 60 with 30 boys and 30 girls.
2 boys out of 30 boys were homosexual.
0 out of 30 girls were homosexual.

----

---- re-interviewed for clarity ----
* updated Feb 25, 8:15am *

I just interviewed our new 18yr old maid and without telling her my other stats, she volunteered her stats by her eyes in her town of Lauaan, Antique (up in the mountains):

3 out of 110 boys were homosexual of that look above.
4 out of 110 females were lesbian, 2 looked like butches like above and 2 girls paired with those 2 butches.

---- re-interviewed for clarity ----
* updated Feb 25, 8:15am *

----

I interviewed my in-laws' 35 yr old maid from Lauaan, Antique (beside the beach)
Out of a batch of 100+ (50+ males, and 50+ females)
There were zero homosexual males.
There were zero tomboys.

Perhaps her batch is older and her school is beside the beach for that ocean nutrition goodness?

-----

So it seems the incidence of homosexuality is markedly less so far in these provinces. 
I will interview more provincial people from more provinces.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: eveheart on February 25, 2014, 09:09:15 am
My own child was a victim of Soya and showed homosexual characteristics at 1 yr old... termed baklita... we researched and found SOY to be the culprit. One month eliminating all soy and he was male masculine again.

What possibly predictive behavior was observed to make this conclusion?

I have only wikipedia's definition of bakla: "In the Philippines, a baklâ is a male person who is exclusively attracted to men. Baklâ are often considered a third gender. Many, but not all, baklas have feminine mannerisms and dress as women. Some actually self-identify as women." Baklita is defined as a young bakla. Are you saying that your son was exclusively attracted to men in a sexual way at age 1?

I understand that a child may show predictive gender role behaviors before they are school aged, but I've never heard this labeled outright as homosexuality, and never as early as 1.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: goodsamaritan on February 25, 2014, 10:44:45 am
What possibly predictive behavior was observed to make this conclusion?

I have only wikipedia's definition of bakla: "In the Philippines, a baklâ is a male person who is exclusively attracted to men. Baklâ are often considered a third gender. Many, but not all, baklas have feminine mannerisms and dress as women. Some actually self-identify as women." Baklita is defined as a young bakla. Are you saying that your son was exclusively attracted to men in a sexual way at age 1?

I understand that a child may show predictive gender role behaviors before they are school aged, but I've never heard this labeled outright as homosexuality, and never as early as 1.

This shows the difference in my country's culture from yours.  We know and call it as we see it.

We have a Filipino word called "baklita"... where little boys exhibit all the loud flouting traits of the screaming loud adult homos... in action, in movements.  In our culture, this kind of observation is no big deal and is just a matter of fact.

It was my wife who first brought this to my attention.  And I observed and agreed with her.  Way back in 2002.  So we furiously searched the internet and found out all those text about estrogen in soy, the essays that soy was going to make the world gay, and fiction comedy of the last male on earth due to soy poisoning of the entire population.

And because we as parents did not have that mental block of "born gay censorship / politics", we made adjustments in 2002 and got rid of every instance of SOY in our diet. (we were giving "taho" every morning to our boy thinking taho made from soy was a health food brought in by a vendor every day).

We used to feed our family: Taho, Soy Milk and Soy meat substitute.

In 1 month after eliminating all soy my son was masculine.

-------------

Case in point where our culture is on homosexuals... we can make jokes about them in public, and they can joke amongst themselves in public... they are not a protected species to be handled with care.

See the classic characteristics of "baklita" with this advertisement spoof:
(check out their look, their movements, our child was looking like this "baklita" little gay when he was 1.)

Pantene Shampoo Commercial - Baklita Version (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mMHJFYee54#ws)

and here see a popular comedian singing "Hindi Ako Bakla"... I am not Gay... (just because I exhibit well known visual traits)... and at the end he says... "Babae ako!!!"... I am a woman! (ha ha ha ha ha ha) Super big hit song in 2006.

Michael V - Hindi Ako Bakla (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNyN7s-KC70#)
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: Iguana on February 25, 2014, 03:24:47 pm
Iguana, the issue is not bisexuality, it really is homosexuality...

Ok Edwin, it’s not the same. But homos don’t bother me: that’s their thing, not mine, and it seems there has always been a small percentage of homosexuals in every human population, at least since recorded history. This percentile may increase, who knows? It’s not by interviewing young girls or boys who seem to report their subjective visual impression that you establish valid statistics!

Anyway, if you seem right to say that the reproductive power of mankind is decreasing, it’s not a problem for life on Earth. On the contrary, it could be a good thing since the planet is overpopulated and mankind is fast depleting all natural resources. I know you disagree on that and I won’t argue anymore. There can be no rational arguments to support or oppose beliefs. You said you’re not religious… but you believe you will still live in your descendants. That’s really a very particular belief of yours.

Quote
Pottenger's cats has every relevance to this forum.  The fact that Pottenger observed homosexuality as part of the degeneration of his cats shows during his time he was not censored unlike today's USA politics.  Glad to know, we don't need to bow down to one country's politics to stifle scientific investigation that is much needed.

Ok.

Quote
If you don't like this topic, you don't have to read it.

The question is the negative impact such topics can have on the public perception of the raw paleo movement and of this forum in particular. It’s difficult enough to get the idea recognized that humans seem badly adapted to cooked and Neolithic foods without adding more difficulties by talking about other topics which will be badly perceived and about which there’s not the slightest consensus amongst us.

Are you saying that your son was exclusively attracted to men in a sexual way at age 1?

I understand that a child may show predictive gender role behaviors before they are school aged, but I've never heard this labeled outright as homosexuality, and never as early as 1.

I was also wondering about that!
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: LePatron7 on February 25, 2014, 07:42:55 pm
Just to throw in some info from the opposing side, to make this a balanced discussion that presents alternative views..

"“The Disappearing Male” – A Pinch of Science, a Pound of Speculation"

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-disappearing-male-a-pinch-of-science-a-pound-of-speculation/ (http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-disappearing-male-a-pinch-of-science-a-pound-of-speculation/)
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: RogueFarmer on February 26, 2014, 11:57:50 am
Certainly at least a percentage of humans are homosexual due to environmental factors. To insinuate that this is a ridiculous notion is of course in itself ridiculous. To suggest that it must always be the case is equally ridiculous.

It's not totally against the interests of this forum because the facts are that we humans are fucked up, in many ways. This is a harsh reality that most everyone knows but most everyone also cannot except in totality. I think that's what this forum is really all about. I was fucked up, I want to get un-fucked. What other kind of person would in our world want to engage in natural carnivorous tendencies?

I'm at least partially with Edwin on the falsification of overpopulation. It is a convenient terminology for those elitists who seek to enslave the world and own everything. The truth is that one person can wield the consumptive power of thousands, even millions. Humans are not intrinsically harmful to the environment, rather it is the predominant collective zeitgeist that is wrecking havoc globally. Human population is immaterial to the fate of the world at present population density and growth. Regardless of population, without a change in the architecture of human way of life, there are no solutions. It is our way of life that is inherently wrong, not our lives themselves.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: TylerDurden on February 26, 2014, 04:40:25 pm
In that case, our "way of life" has been inherently wrong since the Upper Palaeolithic era when we started wiping out the megafauna etc.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: Iguana on February 26, 2014, 04:50:55 pm
Yes, certainly so or even before,  since we had been already able to make fire at will for some hundreds thousands of years and probably used it to grill food.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arr
Post by: RogueFarmer on February 27, 2014, 04:11:45 am
well to be fair, there have been many societies with varying levels of sustainability, unfortuately unsustainable societies tend to be bristling with economic and military advantages and their unsustainability drives them to conquer their neighbors. or sometimes sustainability is abandoned for "progress" or "higher quality of  life". such atempts offer an insideously palpable yet fleeting advance. the worlds best examples of include almost endless forests of fruit bearing trees in south america and what is still the worlds greatest treasure trove of topsoil in the american great plains, created through milleniums of hunters driving vast herds of bison that were in effect historically unequaled machines who mulched the earth and built the soil. it is not proven  fact that humanity wiped out the megafauna, it may have been climatic conditions although those in turn could have been man made. it is curious however that the megafauna were not wiped out of africa and asia.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: RogueFarmer on March 01, 2014, 11:19:19 am
Bruce Lipton, author of the biology of belief, claims that the environment is everything. What we are is not truly ourselves, but a reaction to everything else, down to the cellular level in fact. Our cells have no true minds, only doorways in the cell membrane that open and close in response to outer materials and energies. Crazy stuff.

The book is great. Just found out he has a doc on youtube.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjj0xVM4x1I (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjj0xVM4x1I#)?
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: goodsamaritan on March 01, 2014, 05:25:53 pm
Adult survey time.

Last night I was out with friends who were senior managers and consultants in Business Process Outsourcing firms in Manila.

One guy said in his BPO firm some 12% of his male workers were homosexual.

One female said in her BPO firm some 60% of the male workers were homosexual.

They both suggested I make more provincial interviews.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: van on March 02, 2014, 01:59:10 am
If you do indeed find statistically high numbers... how will you ever know as to whether or not gays haven't always been around but unwilling to come out of the closet?
  I also don't understand your fascination with all of this.  Why not simply promote a healthy diet to those who you can effect?  Have you looked deeply at your own feelings  towards Gays?  I mean really deeply?
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: eveheart on March 02, 2014, 02:08:57 am
If you propose to link diet and increase in homosexuality, statistics gleaned from interviews about suspected homosexuality cannot prove or disprove your premise.

Find an older statistical study and duplicate its methodology, using the same population groups, the same questions, and the same method of randomization.

If you use a previous study that goes back far enough in time to find a strong dietary trend from then to now in terms of, say, gross sales of non-local packaged foods, you might be able to validate your findings.

Remember, all researchers are subjected to intense scrutiny before their findings are considered valid. That's why I am urging you to learn and apply pristine research methodology and and statistical analysis.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: goodsamaritan on April 30, 2014, 06:50:56 am
Just 2 days ago I interviewed a 21 yr old female who grew up in Sampaloc, Manila and in her high school days she estimated that 30-40% of the male students were homosexual. 

All this urban homosexuality coincidences... which luckily this morning Chaya posted on Facebook an article http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2611317/How-trauma-life-passed-SPERM-affecting-mental-health-future-generations.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2611317/How-trauma-life-passed-SPERM-affecting-mental-health-future-generations.html)

And in the comment section, people referring to an older book called "Rock Prophecy" with the 9th chapter Herd Thinners

See discussion here:

http://www.rockprophecy.com/herdthin.html (http://www.rockprophecy.com/herdthin.html)

For the past decade I've tried to get media to report my explanation for "herd thinners" and clear up the confusion about same sex attraction. The theory is presented in Rock Prophecy, a book that media has censored since 1999. The men who control media have let this confusion over same sex attraction persist and cause much suffering. Prejudices could have been alleviated if the herd thinner explanation were known.

When Rock Prophecy was copyrighted in 1995, the World Wide Web was new. I didn't have access to the internet while the first draft of Rock Prophecy was being written. My theory about "herd thinners" was developed in the 1980s. I had never seen anything like it. But in later years, long after the Rock Prophecy book was published, including my "herd thinners" theory, while searching online I located a report of scientific findings that support my theory about "herd thinners," a theory that was copyrighted back in 1995:

"Ward and Weisz (1980) and Dorner, Gotz, and Docke (1983) have shown that, in rats, stress in midpregnancy causes the male offspring to have permanently low free testosterone levels and homosexual behavior. Dorner has reported low free testosterone in human homosexuals, but no other group has yet confirmed this. His group has also reported a higher rate of stress in pregnancy in mothers of homosexuals than in those of controls (Dorner et al. 1983). Low free testosterone has been found in male temporal lobe epileptics in whom altered sexual behavior, including hypo sexuality, is frequently seen."

- Norman Geschwind & Albert Galaburda - Cerebral Lateralization p. 175
New Biological Books, Dec. 1987
"Research in Britain, America, and Germany has all confirmed that a prenatal exposure to deficiency of testosterone increases the likelihood of a man becoming homosexual…Intriguingly, men who were conceived and born in periods of great stress, such as toward the end of World War II, are more often gay than men born at other times. (The stress hormone cortisol is made from the same progenitor as testosterone; perhaps it uses the raw material, leaving less to be made into testosterone.) The same is true of rats: Homosexual behavior is more common in rats whose mothers were stressed during pregnancy…Gays are also more often left-handed than heterosexuals, which makes a sort of sense because handedness is affected by sex hormones during development."

- Matthew Ridley - The Red Queen pp. 264-5
Harper Collins, Apr. 2003
The research cited above from Cerebral Lateralization presents science to suggest that stress produces gay offspring, but it does not theorize that the context for this is as a mechanism by which nature intends homosexuality as a way of "thinning the herd" - reducing the population.

.


But what do we make of Matthew Ridley's work? His book came out in 2003, four years after Rock Prophecy was published. Notice the repetition of points made in my book now copied into Ridley's later book:

1999 Rock Prophecy: "Events like the Great Depression of the 1930s and World War II in the ‘40s produced millions of conceptions under conditions of prolonged stress. Many of the boys conceived during this period grew up to become gay men."
2003 Red Queen:"Men who were conceived and born in periods of great stress, such as toward the end of World War II, are more often gay than men born at other times."

1999 Rock Prophecy: "Fifty percent of twins are going to share the same sexual orientation. Do you know what the concordance is for left handedness? Twelve percent...well under the concordance for homosexuality, which suggests, that there’s actually a larger genetic component to homosexuality than there is to left handedness.”

2003 Red Queen: "Gays are also more often left-handed than heterosexuals, which makes a sort of sense because handedness is affected by sex hormones during development."

In 2005, a decade after Rock Prophecy was copyrighted, I located another article online at viewzone.com and this article is the first I've seen to repeat my theory that premiered in Rock Prophecy back in 1995:

Embryology teaches that early embryos all start out as female. At some point in early gestation, if chromosomes destine the fetus to be male, this female embryo is altered by the genetically programmed addition of certain hormones, called androgens. These androgens, especially testosterone, instruct the embryo to develop male characteristics. In their absence, the embryo continues to develop into a female.
In a paper published almost a quarter of a century ago, a research psychologist at Villanova University was also puzzled about gender. Dr. Ingebog Ward…divided a group of pregnant rats into three groups. Suspecting that something special might be happening in the early stages of pregnancy, she subjected the first group to stress during the first ten days of gestation by irritating the mother rats to bright lights, noise and annoying vibrations. Ten days into a rat's pregnancy corresponds to the first trimester (3 months) of a human pregnancy. The second group was subjected to stress towards the end of their pregnancy, just before birth. The third group was comprised of male offspring from both prenatal stressed mothers and unstressed mothers. These babies were subjected to the same stress producing stimuli.

Dr. Ward then allowed all the males to grow to adulthood without further interference. She then placed each group of males in cages with healthy females to observe their ability and desire to mate with normal adult females. Here's what happened:

Abstract: "Male rats were exposed to prenatal (i.e. before they were born) or postnatal (after they were born) stress, or both. The prenatal stressed males showed low levels of male copulatory behavior and high rates of female lordotic responding. Postnatal stress had no effect. The modifications are attributed to stress-mediated alterations in the ratio of adrenal to gonadal androgens during critical stages of sexual differentiation. Specifically, it appears that stress causes an increase in the weak adrenal androgen, androstendione, from the maternal fetal adrenal cortices, or both, and a concurrent decrease in the potent gonadal androgen, testosterone."
- Parental Stress Feminizes & Demasculizes the Behavior of Males
Science pp. 83-84, January 7, 1972

Her findings showed that if a mother is stressed during the early stages of pregnancy, she will release an adrenaline related hormone into her own bloodstream and that of her unborn baby. This hormone, called androstendione, is structurally similar to testosterone, the male hormone. If the baby carries "XY" chromosomes and is destined to become a male, testosterone needs to be active when the Central Nervous System (including the hypothalamus) is being formed. This is the only way that the CNS "knows" to develop along male lines. Because the stress hormone seems to bind to the receptors that would normally be receiving testosterone, there is the delay or blockage of the effectiveness of testosterone, even if it is plentiful.

In 1972, Dr. Ward had no idea that androstendione in male pregnancies would prevent or inhibit the hypothalamus to develop into a healthy male brain, but this stress-related hormone now appears to do just that. The brain makes its gender commitment very early in development and, once committed to either male or female, it can not change. The interference with testosterone in the later stages of pregnancy, or after birth, does little or nothing to inhibit primary gender development of the other organs of the body.

In Doctor Ward's own words: "...The present data support the hypothesis that exposure of pregnant rats to environmental stressors modifies the normal process of sexual behavior differentiation in male fetuses by decreasing functional testosterone and elevating androstenedione levels during prenatal development. During stress conditions plasma testosterone emanating from the gonads decreases while adrenal androstenedione rises. The molecular structure of the two androgens, being very similar, it is postulated that the two hormones compete for the same receptor sites. Since androstenedione is a less potent androgen than testosterone, the decrease in male copulatory ability and increased lordotic potential seen in the prenatal stressed animals of the present study would be expected. The relative difference in potency between testosterone and androstendione has been repeatedly demonstrated."

It is therefore possible that while the body and organs of an animal can be a "male," the brain can coincidentally be "female." This extreme reaction to maternal stress has a very logical and natural purpose. Sensing that a population is under the stress of crowding or poor living conditions, nature provides this hormonal mechanism as a means to limit population growth and thereby reduce the cause of the stress. Homosexual behavior results in less offspring than heterosexual behavior.

Again, in Doctor Ward's own words: "The resulting alterations in sexual behavior provide the basis for an effective population control mechanism, since offspring so affected would not possess the behavioral repertoire necessary to contribute to population growth. Thus, the environment, by triggering an adrenal stress response, may control the reproductive capacity of successive generations of differentiating fetuses and, thereby, population size."

Prenatal stress in early pregnancy seems to be a rational and plausible explanation for male homosexuality and should be viewed as a natural population limiting phenomenon. Personal choice in homosexuality appears to be an insignificant factor in those offspring who are born with a female hypothalamus, encapsulated in an otherwise normal male body.

--------

Significant research progress... why urban and more homosexual is linked.

Fact: Manila, Manila (the original manila... not Metro Manila which is a conglomeration of many cities) --- is one of the most densely populated cities in the world.

Why would the women in Manila, Manila be stressed during pregnancy?

- over crowding
- poverty
- pollution
- really bad cheapest things passing off as "food".
- no marriage
- no government financial support
- contraceptive mentality
(newly pregnant woman is so stressed because: she mistakenly thought contraception meant no pregnancy possible, she is not sure who the father is, purported father is poor dead beat who has no money, there is no government money to support her, her family is poor, she is afraid of pregnancy and giving birth)


And of course when the child is born and raised.

- really bad cheapest things passing off as "food". (poverty, ignorance, urban)
- all the free government vaccines


So it seems to appear that urban poverty is a death sentence... must escape the cities... not fit for nurturing human life!

Thanks for the link Chaya!
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: goodsamaritan on April 30, 2014, 07:13:37 am
Why many single mothers in the Philippines?
https://ph.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090227120903AA4GerH

Nice discussion here. (2009)
May give you guys an idea where I'm from and what my observations are about.
Why being a playboy in manila is easy.
Why foreign men come here.

But at the same time the combination of grinding urban poverty and pollution and miseducation leads to the current crisis.

----------

Quote
Papars answered 5 years ago
About three years ago, I had done a study on this phenomenon for a major development agency for Asia. The results were truly startling:

1: The number of Filipina single moms is not as high as you claim- 70%. That's completely wrong. The average is about 50% though no exact statistics exist. Usually, while filing a birth certificate, the names of BOTH the parents are mentioned and hence, there exists no known system to identify which child was born of a single mother.

2: The Roman Catholic church in the Philippines is very strong politically and hence, abortion is legally banned in the Philippines. This means, a pregnant woman has to go through the pregnancy and deliver the child, regardless of the consequences to herself and her family or the child itself.

3: Poor education and promotion of methods of contraception such as birth control pills, condoms etc. In Asia, the other nation that does not promote birth control is Indonesia- due to religious reasons. Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam, Myanmar and other ASEAN states have a clear policy on birth control. China and India lead in this sphere, being the world's two most populous countries. China strictly enforces the 1-child per family policy while India, being a democracy, educates its populace about birth control via ads on the TV, radio and other media.

4: Permissive society:. As a result, many mature adolescents are allowed to indulge in whatever activity they want, without any parental control, in most cases. Having a boyfriend or girlfriend soon after attaining puberty are considered as normal due to the permissiveness of the society.

5: Overburdened educational system: The lack of proper educational facilities in the Philippines forces many adolescents to abandon study after a certain number of years. Due to rampant poverty, such persons seek financial independence and end up with love affairs at an immature age.

6: Promiscuity promoted by TV and media: Philippines is the ONLY country in the world where transvestite and gays are allowed to flaunt themselves openly on public TV. Even in other permissive societies such as Sweden or the Netherlands, there are seperate channels for the transgender/ gay and transvestite communities. TV channels in the Philippines also air soap operas where sexual promiscuity is subtly promoted.

-- IT IS MUCH WORSE NOW IN 2014
-- Why I do not let my children watch TV.
-- Why we Filipinos beat you Americans hands down with Gays and Transvestites in the media, you cannot possibly out-gay our media.  We have screaming faggots every day on tri-media.  We are decades ahead of you in gay media propaganda.

7: Weakness of the religious institutions: While the Roman Catholic church is a formidable political force, it has done very little for the overall welfare of the Filipino citizens. Abortion is banned thanks to the church. The same church turns a blind eye to what the Bible would deem as "sexual immorality."

8: Weak family ties: Often, parents ignore what their kids are up to after they have attained a particular age. The child is expected to be independent.

Since you say that 70% of Filipinas you met were single mothers, it's most likely you are living in some place in the Arabian Gulf. That region is a place where more single mothers go for work to give their kids a better life. Incidentally, female kids left alone in the care of grandparents or other relatives are also prone to end up as single mothers.

Several international organizations involved in the development of Asia are concerned about the high ratio of single moms in the Philippines because it threatens to become a socio-economic menace. For example, some single moms may not be able to afford education for some or all of her kids and in most circumstances, such children can take to drug abuse and/ or crime. In view of the existing poverty and low education, such children can become ideal recruits for any terror network- since job opportunities for these citizens will be lower.

Discussing the issue of single moms in the Philippines is still a taboo and many people simply shun even mention of the topic.

---

Quote
Melvin answered 5 years ago

Filipinas nowadays are either not educated or very promiscuous. I see them all the time. The "not educated" group I see back home; all they wanna do is f*ck. They're usually the ones that easily fall for the "hot" boy next door. They get themselves screwed up, and their supposedly "wonderful" boyfriends leave them in the trash. Go figure.

The "very promiscuous" group I see here abroad. They're always on the phone, talking to different guys each and every time. And while they're here they usually have boyfriends on the side even if they're already married back home. They flirt with other guys to get what they want. Heck, when you're so far away from home you need to relieve that itch, would you not? And when they're discovered all hell breaks loose!! A story fitting for MMK. Now they go home as single moms.

Filipinas who are smart, independent, mature, and loyal are very hard to find. So if you think you got one, lucky you.

---

Quote
36 answered 5 years ago
wow, papars, it was an in dept explanation.

additionally, the filipino culture is very compassionate, forgiving to those that have wronged the society, they tend to say , "bahala na God sa kanila maghusga- It's up to God how to judge them"

if this were in islamic culture, family feud would erupt, the guy or girl's life would be in threat. and the law of islam would punish those who indulge in unlawful sex,even if both are unmarried.

but in fairness, i hear that some mothers preferred to be single moms if their husbands are irresponsible drunkards, bad provider, abusive etc.

and on the other hand, because society now has the trend that beauty and youthfulness is very sought after, the males tend to go after the fresh, young and beautiful replacing and leaving the woman who is faded by age.That's the consequence of having big amount of money and not charter as the choice for a mate. Many males by nature who are endowed with fame,power, riches would tend to seek only the young and pretty and dump them when some new ones are discovered.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: cherimoya_kid on April 30, 2014, 10:05:40 am
Moderator note: anti-gay is not the policy of this forum's moderation as a whole. GoodSamaritan does not speak for the majority of the membership here, nor any of the other moderators.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: goodsamaritan on April 30, 2014, 10:23:04 am
My note is that Americans are overly sensitive about any discussion of gays these days. 
We Filipinos are more gay than you... and for a very very long time.

This is why I noted there that:

Quote
6: Promiscuity promoted by TV and media: Philippines is the ONLY country in the world where transvestite and gays are allowed to flaunt themselves openly on public TV. Even in other permissive societies such as Sweden or the Netherlands, there are seperate channels for the transgender/ gay and transvestite communities. TV channels in the Philippines also air soap operas where sexual promiscuity is subtly promoted.

-- IT IS MUCH WORSE NOW IN 2014
-- Why I do not let my children watch TV.
-- Why we Filipinos beat you Americans hands down with Gays and Transvestites in the media, you cannot possibly out-gay our media.  We have screaming faggots every day on tri-media.  We are decades ahead of you in gay media propaganda.

Informal surveys shows in the early 20s generation today in Manila, Manila today shows 30-40% homosexual men... means one cannot be "anti-gay" in Manila.  Homosexuality seems to pre-date American colonization of the Philippines, pre-dates Spanish occupation... because we have old words for gays... today... many words... and our gays have their own language because there are big numbers of them... we have "sward speak". 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swardspeak (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swardspeak)

But we can and should do scientific investigations into this recent phenomenon of homosexual % explosion.  And we can and should talk about it.  It is a HEALTH ISSUE.  Whether the health deficit was during the pre-natal health of father and mother, or the health of the mother bearing the child, or the health of the children after birth.

And this thread in the pursuit of scientific studies and inquiries is not at all anti-gay.  In fact the recent information brought about by http://www.rockprophecy.com/herdthin.html (http://www.rockprophecy.com/herdthin.html) Rock Prophecy supports the "born gay" mantra of the US political gay movement:

"Prenatal stress in early pregnancy seems to be a rational and plausible explanation for male homosexuality and should be viewed as a natural population limiting phenomenon. Personal choice in homosexuality appears to be an insignificant factor in those offspring who are born with a female hypothalamus, encapsulated in an otherwise normal male body."

And this recent discussion from Rock Prophecy fits neatly into the Pottenger's Cats experiment.
What a coincidence!  ;D

----

And to add another entertaining video to this discussion, here is the TV trailer of the latest homosexual offering on mainstream TV Philippines which started last March 2014: Beki Boxer (homosexual boxer)

Watch and have a laugh.

Beki Boxer: Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5b_5Qdgyc1o#)
Title: 2 African Tribes: No Homosexuality, No Masturbation
Post by: goodsamaritan on April 30, 2014, 11:52:50 pm
Is the reason these people are so pre-occupied with sex as reproduction only is because infant mortality is so high amongst them?  Must study these 2 tribes more.

Where Masturbation and Homosexuality Do Not Exist
Alice Dreger Dec 4 2012, 8:25 AM ET

When sex means reproduction, certain proclivities may simply not be part of cultural models of sexuality.

(http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/mt/assets/food/man_with_dau%20615.jpg)

 Barry and Bonnie Hewlett had been studying the Aka and Ngandu people of central Africa for many years before they began to specifically study the groups' sexuality. As they reported in the journal African Study Monographs, the married couple of anthropologists from Washington State University "decided to systematically study sexual behavior after several campfire discussions with married middle-aged Aka men who mentioned in passing that they had sex three or four times during the night. At first [they] thought it was just men telling their stories, but we talked to women and they verified the men's assertions."

In turning to a dedicated study of sex practices, the Hewletts formally confirmed that the campfire stories were no mere fish tales. Married Aka and Ngandu men and women consistently reported having sex multiple times in a single night. But in the process of verifying this, the Hewletts also incidentally found that homosexuality and masturbation appeared to be foreign to both groups.

 While the Aka and the Ngandu live in the same general region, an area in central Africa marked by tropic forest, their cultures are distinct. The Aka are foragers and, according to the Hewletts, "gender egalitarianism among the Aka is about as pronounced as human societies get." Women may hunt, even on their own, and often control distribution of resources. The Ngandu, by contrast, are slash-and-burn farmers with stable locations and significant gender inequality, with men typically dominating over women.

What the Aka and Ngandu have in common, besides geography, is this: In both cultures, men and women view sexual intercourse as a kind of "work of the night." The purpose of this work is the production of children -- a critical matter in an area with a very high infant mortality rate. Semen is understood by the Aka and Ngandu to be necessary not only to conception, but also to fetal development. A woman who is already pregnant will see having intercourse as contributing to the health of her fetus.

The Aka and Ngandu speak of sex as "searching for children." That's not to say they don't enjoy having sex. Clearly they do. The Hewletts relay a song a group of children invented after stealthily watching two lovers having sex. In the song, the man asks, "How do you want it?" and the woman answers, "Oh, I want it big." The man asks again, and the woman answers, "Oh, I want it long." The song then enters a refrain with the man thrusting and asking his partner, "Did you come?"

But while the individuals the Hewletts interviewed -- like the song -- made it clear that sex is pleasurable for these folks, and something that brings couples closer, they also made clear that babies are the goal of sex. Said one Aka woman, "It is fun to have sex, but it is to look for a child." Meanwhile, a Ngandu woman confessed, "after losing so many infants I lost courage to have sex."

Is the strong cultural focus on sex as a reproductive tool the reason masturbation and homosexual practices seem to be virtually unknown among the Aka and Ngandu? That isn't clear. But the Hewletts did find that their informants -- whom they knew well from years of field work -- "were not aware of these practices, did not have terms for them," and, in the case of the Aka, had a hard time even understanding about what the researchers were asking when they asked about homosexual behaviors.

The Ngandu "were familiar with the concept" of homosexual behavior, "but no word existed for it and they said they did not know of any such relationships in or around the village. Men who had traveled to the capital, Bangui, said it existed in the city and was called 'PD' (French for par derriere or from behind)."

Given all this, the Hewletts conclude, "Homosexuality and masturbation are rare or nonexistent [in these two cultures], not because they are frowned upon or punished, but because they are not part of the cultural models of sexuality in either ethnic group."

The finding with regard to homosexuality is perhaps not that surprising. As the Hewletts note, other researchers have documented cultures where homosexuality appears not to exist. If homosexual orientation has a genetic component to it -- and there is increasing evidence that it does, in many cases -- then it would not be surprising that this complex human trait (one that involves non-procreative efforts) would be found in some populations but not others.

Moreoever, sexual behavior -- whether homosexual, heterosexual, or any other type -- is never simply genetically determined in humans. Humans are born with sexual potentials that will manifest differently in different cultural settings. So, about heterosexuality, the Hewletts note that Western cultures' valuing of sleeping through the night probably limits Western heterosexual couples' interest in having sex multiple times between dusk and dawn. In our culture, the work we have to do by day may overtake "the work of the night."

It's also worth noting that Western science specifically distinguishes between three components of sexuality: desire, behavior, and identity. While the Hewletts' research suggests that homosexual behavior and identity are foreign to the Aka and Ngandu, it's entirely possible that homosexual desire does exist in these groups, at least for some of their members (so to speak). A culture that recognizes such desires -- and especially a culture that does not condemn them -- and especially one that involves large groups where homosexually-inclined people can find each other -- is the type where such desires will become openly apparent.

When I put this to the Hewletts, they replied that indeed, the desire may exist in some individuals in these groups, but we simply do not know. They added that although the Aka and Ngandu live in small groups, "They travel extensively and our studies suggest each person knows about 400-500 individuals," which means that, theoretically, a person with homosexual desires might find another person with the same. But in a culture in which the general idea of a desire doesn't exist, such a desire might remain unarticulated, even if two people who share it find each other.

The absence of masturbation among Aka and Ngandu men and women may be more surprising, and perhaps also harder to explain. Recall that the Hewletts did not find that masturbation is "frowned upon or punished," but rather that there is just no general conception of it. This finding recalls a much-discussed 2010 Behavioral and Brain Sciences paper called "The WEIRDest people in the world?" in which the authors argued that far too many sweeping claims about "human nature" are drawn exclusively from samples of Western, Educated, Industrialized, Rich, and Democratic (WEIRD) societies.

Studies of small-scale, rural, non-Western cultures like the Aka and Ngandu paint a more complicated picture of human variation. The Hewletts remark that, "the Western cultural emphasis on recreational sex has ... led some researchers to suggest that human sexuality is similar to bonobo apes because they have frequent non-reproductive sex, engage in sex throughout the female cycle, and use sex to reduce social tensions." But, the Hewletts suggest, "The bonobo view may apply to Euro-Americans (plural), but from an Aka or Ngandu viewpoint, sex is linked to reproduction and building a family." Where sex is work, sex may just work differently.

Source: http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/12/where-masturbation-and-homosexuality-do-not-exist/265849/ (http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/12/where-masturbation-and-homosexuality-do-not-exist/265849/)

------------

I found a paper about these tribes.  More scientific detail here.
http://anthro.vancouver.wsu.edu/media/PDF/sex_paper_final_10-2010.pdf (http://anthro.vancouver.wsu.edu/media/PDF/sex_paper_final_10-2010.pdf)

Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: eveheart on May 01, 2014, 12:05:38 am
My note is that Americans are overly sensitive about any discussion of gays these days. 

America is too large and too diverse to make such a broad generalization. In my part of the US, where we are typically inclusive of all sexual preferences, there are still many virulently anti-gay people.

Quote
We Filipinos are more gay than you... and for a very very long time.

We Americans didn't know there was a gayness competition! If we were to compete, we would win. But, what would be the point?

What seems anti-gay about this thread to me is the way anecdotes are used to support your hypothesis. To me (an American), your posts would be considered anti-gay because they constitute second-hand gossip - people "reporting" and "tabulating" the gayness of others, and passing that off as a valid statistic. I would consider false statistics as a thinly-disguised form of hatred, like someone posting that most Filipino immigrants are thieves because he interviewed women in the lunchroom who knew of cases where such thievery had occurred. 
Title: Re: "Bakla" (Philippine word for "gay") defined in 1969 doc for Americans
Post by: goodsamaritan on May 01, 2014, 01:00:30 am
There were many before me who asked why there are so many homosexuals in the Philippines, none got a good answer.

https://www.google.com/search?q=why+so+many+homosexuals+in+philippines+site:answers.yahoo.com&biw=1257&bih=916 (https://www.google.com/search?q=why+so+many+homosexuals+in+philippines+site:answers.yahoo.com&biw=1257&bih=916)

No reliable statistics seem to exist.  This informal surveys I ask about % of "bakla" in their high schools. The word "bakla" easily understood amongst us Filipinos.
--------

"Bakla" defined for Americans as found on Page 7 of this 1969 document:

Homosexuality in the Philippines and US (1969)

http://www.egadconnection.org/homosexuality%20in%20the%20philippines%20and%20US-%20Sechrest.pdf (http://www.egadconnection.org/homosexuality%20in%20the%20philippines%20and%20US-%20Sechrest.pdf)

Although written 45 years ago, may this piece of information form a bridge of understanding between my Filipino culture and American culture.  Although I can speak a fairly good amount of English, I live and breath in the Philippines and your concept of "homosexual" and our concept of "bakla" seem to be different.

See clip of page attached to this post:
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: Eric on May 01, 2014, 02:31:02 am
Quite the fetish you have here Edwin. Hope it takes you somewhere useful...
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: eveheart on May 01, 2014, 07:10:56 am
GS, your English is excellent!

Your reference http://www.egadconnection.org/homosexuality%20in%20the%20philippines%20and%20US-%20Sechrest.pdf (http://www.egadconnection.org/homosexuality%20in%20the%20philippines%20and%20US-%20Sechrest.pdf)
Quote
"...bakla... is widely understood and ... used to refer to persons who are homosexual in their behavior. But it is also used to refer to transvestite, to effeminate males, and even to boys who are simply less active than others in games and outdoor activity."
has pretty well established the fact that the Tagalog word bakla cannot be translated to the English word homosexual. Why not use bakla in your posts, since its meaning is awkward to translate and we now know what it means?
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: Neone on May 02, 2014, 07:18:38 am
Being a homo is not paleo.
Dont you see, there are these two tribes in africa who are not gay, and love to make babies. They are Correct.

I was raised on soy and quite effeminate when i was a teen. When I stopped soy and went paleo I feel like I matured, but correlation does not imply causation. Other things were going on too that may have manned me up. Although I was effeminate, I wasn't gay,  so maybe your one year old just likes to squeal and run about on his tip toes but its ok, he will still kiss the girls.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: TylerDurden on May 02, 2014, 07:46:28 am
I am sure there were plenty of  homosexuals in palaeo times.  Though I suspect that, due to "survival of the fittest", almost all of them would have been expected to be bisexual in behaviour in those days  rather than homosexual, as such.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: goodsamaritan on May 02, 2014, 08:00:43 am
Here is a bit more info regarding the AKA tribe in Africa.

I'm pretty sure their DIET contributes to their very heterosexual nature.  And they can have sex 4 times a night? Whoa. No concept of homosexuality, no concept of masturbation.  Must mean when they start feeling sexy at a very young age, they just get it on heterosexually... no religious taboos, plus the pressure to reproduce because of high infant mortality.  We must also study why they have such high infant mortality.

Diet is originally majority OMNIVOROUS. With a wide variety of INSECTS!  Remember we were talking about INSECTS may be missing from our modern diets?

"The Aka tribe gain sustenance from 63 plant species, 20 insect species, honey from 8 species of bees, and 28 species of game. They also trade with their farmer neighbors for agricultural goods and, more recently, often plant their own small seasonal crops. In 2003, the oral traditions of the Aka were proclaimed one of the Masterpieces of the Oral and Intangible Heritage of Humanity."

"Fathers of the Aka tribe spend more time in close contact to their babies than in any other known society. Aka fathers have their infant within arms reach 47% of the time[citation needed] and make physical contact with them five times as often per day as fathers in other societies.[3] It is believed that this is related to the strong bond between Aka husband and wife." (I must have Aka father hood traits... I just love being with my children... and in fact spend more time with my children than my wife.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aka_people (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aka_people)

We can input what WE KNOW as raw paleo dieters:

1. AKA diet is more omnivore paleo, got lots of access to honey, aka diet has LOTS OF INSECTS, eat wide variety of wild game.  GCB says insects may be the missing class of food in most of our modern diets. Speculation: maybe lack of lots of insects as an entire class of food makes more people homosexual.

2. Most likely, these AKA and NGANDU have zero NEANDERTHAL DNA in them.
Speculation: What if it was the neanderthals were the ancient paleo people who had more homosexuality because of the cold climate and less insects in their diets?

My wife works with indigenous tribes in Palawan (Philippines' last frontier) I shared her this article about the 2 tribes and she says she has not seen any "bakla" (philippine concept for homosexual behaviour) in the indigenous tribes she works with.

Below is a picture of an AKA mother and children.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: TylerDurden on May 02, 2014, 08:56:41 am
This is ridiculous! So we are all in danger of being poofs  if we don't eat insects? And the colder climate does not by itself make one homosexual - OK, maybe it makes people more likely to "seek human warmth" via having sex, but that just means that heteros and homosexuals become more active sexually, they don't switch orientations! Hmm, I always recall how it was mentioned that people have more sex in Siberia - partly because the cold makes one huddle more, plus the constant brownouts/electricity/lack of heating mean people want more sex since no other activity is possible.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: jessica on May 02, 2014, 09:00:05 am
Lol, this is what I think about daily, as I am currently employed at a ranch that raises pastured pork as well as dairy goats for raw milk....and the owners are lesbians, one of which happens to be a gynecologist/obstetrician(western med.) , one of the other ranch hands is a lesbian and another is a girl who "identifies" as a male and is a lesbian..or whatever.  "He" thinks and want other to recognize that "he" is a man to justify that "he" likes chicks and has more masculine inclinations.  And they use artificial insemination  that has been cryogenically frozen , the only male that isn't neutered on the ranch is a buck who has some kind of disease.  I am always on them to have the vet come up and help him or just fuckin kill him already...jesus.  they neuter everything.  they are all short haired and pretty androgynous looking.   what the fuck is wrong with these women who dont love balls?? 

I dont think you can have a strong flock without healthy males and their impact on the herd and also selective breeding, and of course all of this done instinctually by the animals themselves is ideal.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: goodsamaritan on May 02, 2014, 09:54:51 am
The Sexual Excesses of Modern Civilization
December 10, 2012 By Thomas L. McDonald

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/godandthemachine/2012/12/the-sexual-excesses-of-modern-civilization/ (http://www.patheos.com/blogs/godandthemachine/2012/12/the-sexual-excesses-of-modern-civilization/)

Someone making good comments and good highlights on the AKA and NGANDU article. (Zero homosexuality... no word for it... and No masturbation... )

Western mindset - sex is for recreation (made possible by ubiquitous contraception)

Tribal mindset - sex is for reproduction

Attached is a picture of some Ngandu people.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: JeuneKoq on May 02, 2014, 07:08:13 pm
Western mindset - sex is for recreation (made possible by ubiquitous contraception)

Tribal mindset - sex is for reproduction
...and primal mindset - sex is both for recreation (or more like bond creating/well maintaining  between group members) and for reproduction.

No need for contraceptive pills or condoms to have non-reproductive sex, BTW. The female is not fertilizable all year round. Certainly not all month round. I believe it is quite possible for such animals to identify certain bodily signals sent out by the female (could be the hormonal mix in the ambiant air, or some visible change re her reproductive system), indicating the males that it is now "safe" to go! But they could also be having sex randomly at any given time, thus taking the obvious risk of making the female pregnant.


To the people who think homosexualy happens because of poor diet, polluted environment, cold, warmth, roses, barby dolls, missing parents,....fear not!

Even lions living in the most pristine wilderness, feading on the best, purest food they can find, living the perfect paleo life... Can be prone to homosexual acts. It is a thoroughly studied, largely observed occurrence. Homosexual acts are present, and happen commonly amongst most highly social species of animals on this planet.
Homosexuality regarded by individuals, thus -some- humans, as a deviance is only the result of life long social conditioning. Or culture, if you want to put it that way.

(It may seem that I am repeating  what I first wrote on page 1, but sometimes people need a little reminder. Obviously   l))
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: goodsamaritan on May 02, 2014, 08:12:27 pm
My interest here is the 21st century seeming epidemic of "bakla" as defined in page 3.  Some people don't like equating "bakla" to homosexuality.
I think the bakla epidemic deserves investigation.
Some cultures are scared of touching this homo topic, too many mental block excuses.
Luckily some of us have a more scientific disposition.

Currently in this topic we have read:
- outrageous percentages of bakla in highly urban manila.
- pottenger saw this in his cats experiment
- there are tribes who have no homo, no masturbation
- stress on father during sperm production affect sperm code.
- stress on pregnant mother affects male hormones in unborn child.
- born gay has some scientific background, see the 2 points above
- diet correction can make bakla a normal male in young and old
- some homos are merely sex addicts
- lesbians lead a safer, healthier sex life than the male homo promiscuous sex addict

the occurrence of bakla can be minimized.
bakla is not forever

hopefully we uncover more stuff,
hopefully we get more contributions.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: JeuneKoq on May 02, 2014, 09:26:10 pm
Interestingly there's a community of gay people here in europe (or at least France-Benelux) called the "bears", that really aren't efeminated at all: bearded, beer-gutted, often quite hairy people, wearing lumberjack shirts and whatnot. Kind of an opposite to bakla, or drag queen, or however one decides to call them.
Recently I was making researches on men wearing long hair and found an article written by a homosexual, complaining about how nowadays gay people tend to strongly reject anything that could be considered too feminin, and how he was being criticized by his peer for wearing his hair long. Maybe this kind of mentality is just present in current western culture.

I'm having difficulties joining a picture of a "gay bear" with my ipad, but if you type exactly that on google image you'll see what I mean.
Also you can type "têtu" to have a look at some covers of the leading gay magazine in France-Belgium. Look like average male models/football players to me...
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: Neone on May 04, 2014, 08:23:16 am
GS, are you saying that gay people who have all kinds of wild and crazy sex with each other with no reproductive repercussions is a terrible thing and the epidemic needs to be stopped?
The high population of bakla in cities might just be from them wanting to live in the city because i imagine that if you are a flamboyant homosexual looking to have lots of awesome freaky sex living in a rural area may not be the best place for that kind of thing.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats - Quest for Statistical and Scientific TRUTH
Post by: goodsamaritan on May 05, 2014, 10:41:08 am
GS, are you saying that gay people who have all kinds of wild and crazy sex with each other with no reproductive repercussions is a terrible thing and the epidemic needs to be stopped?

First thing is pure scientific and statistical inquiry. 
- realize there is a quick change in % occurence of bakla / homo in the span of 25 or 50 years.
- what is the cause of this?  See possibilities above.

As for action people want to do after the pure science has been done is up to each individual... but what is important is we have TRUTH and FACTS.  The problem with $$$ science these days is they are manipulated by those with agendas in the first place.


Real healers like Dr. Lorraine Day who subscribes to  her Hippocratic oath says repeatedly in her interviews that she has worked in San Francisco in ground zero of the homosexual epidemic of wholesale anal and sex organ injuries due to extraordinary practices of frequency and quantity of partners and freaky procedures and she says male homosexual activity "normal" in san francisco was injurious and deadly.  And as a real doctor, she requested the "bath houses" to shut down their businesses, but the very owners who were also homosexuals said they were only interested in money they made and that the doctors should be interested in the business they get from the injured and the dying.  No one was interested in the short and long term health of any of the practitioners of this "gay lifestyle san francisco style".

Dr. Day also observed that lesbian homosexuals practiced a saner sex life, she saw no imminent danger with lesbian homosexuals.  Male homosexuals were the self destructive types so her heart bleeds for them.

Lorraine Day Discusses Homosexuality in San Francisco and AIDS at length here http://oneradionetwork.com/health/dr-lorraine-day-vaccines-antibiotics-depopulation-april-8-2014/ (http://oneradionetwork.com/health/dr-lorraine-day-vaccines-antibiotics-depopulation-april-8-2014/)

Depopulationists are delighted with glee promoting human destruction and will promote their destruction based on more facts.

Russians are interested in the viability of their nation, which is why they have turned Religious Christian, pro-natal, anti-GMO, pro-family farming as that is the easiest working model their country has to repopulate their country with ethnic Russians.

The global islamic movement wants to conquer the world with the superiority of their islamic wombs.  Their women find their islamic family arrangements more conducive to bringing forth new lives.

So it really depends on what you want to do when you have correct facts about true health.

Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control - CASTRATED LIVESTOCK
Post by: goodsamaritan on May 05, 2014, 11:07:20 am
New realization how corrupt and non-paleo today's human diet is is the absence of mature MALE animals in the diets of almost the entire populace of non wild game eating people.

Not just the absence of male animals in the diet, but the staple eating of CASTRATED freaks of livestock is insanity unnatural and wrong from any PALEO perspective.  I had dedicated a new thread on this very topic of castration.  How all Paleo Websites and Paleo Books must broadcast against this non-paleo practice of eating castrated freaks as staple food. No studies seem to have been made.  But logic states this is paleo WRONG.

I'm not waiting for studies to be made regarding castrated meat consumption, I am eliminating castrated meats from my family's diet right now.

http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/general-discussion/are-you-eating-castrated-livestock/ (http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/general-discussion/are-you-eating-castrated-livestock/)
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats - Sperm Count Decline Crisis
Post by: goodsamaritan on May 05, 2014, 11:20:57 am
HOUSTON - There is a problem!

"The average sperm count today is between 20 and 40 million per millilitre in the Western world, having decreased by 1-2% per year from a substantially higher number decades ago."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semen_analysis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semen_analysis)

Is this a 2013 count?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/scientists-warn-of-sperm-count-crisis-8382449.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/scientists-warn-of-sperm-count-crisis-8382449.html)

As far as my personal experience is:

I grew up on SAD and pharma drugs in Manila.   
My sperm count in after college in 1993 was 100 million / ml and in 2002 was same 100 million / ml still on SAD. 
Normal sperm counts then as indicated in the lab forms was 50 million to 150 million / ml with 100 million being the average.
That below 50 million was considered low, bad for reproduction. (This was 1993 and 2002).
When I ate raw oysters every other day for 1 month I improved to 300 million / ml or 3x or 300% improvement.

I was happy and proud, I asked my dad what his sperm count was.

My dad solidly remembers he had a sperm count of 500 million / ml

WTH?  My Dad's normal sperm count of 500 million still beats my SAD + raw oysters by 200 million / ml and beats my normal SAD lifestyle by 5x or 500%.

But just a few days ago this 2014, I checked wikipedia and it says today's average is around 20 to 40 million / ml or 30 million / ml average.  Which means today's average male is what was once considered sub-fertile in 2002.

I had a good laugh with my father in law and my driver... our generation can lord it over this new young generation... may mean the young women of today need to look up to my generation and my father in law's generation to get a taste of REAL MANLY sperm virility.  Especially now that we are paleo healthy.  No wonder my not so good looking and financially poor driver has loads of women all the time... there is a DEARTH of real men in Manila these days.

Just my personal take on the current sperm count decline situation personal on the ground experience.  If you are paleo healthy, we men can lord it over the unlucky SAD men.  More women for us.  We will win in most "sperm wars" with this kind of weakling competition.

I can envision classified ads now:

Infertility problems? Looking for high sperm count virile male sperm?  Long term Paleo Dieters, drug free, clean healthy lifestyle. Lab verified 500 million / ml. ++  Call now!
   >D
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: goodsamaritan on May 10, 2014, 03:40:52 pm
i just interviewed an 18 yr old girl from Tondo, Manila High School.

Without batting an eyelash, and with conviction, she says HALF / 50% of the males in her school were "bakla". 

And all the handsome males were "bakla".

None of the remaining 50% straight males were handsome for her.

She herself has a "bakla" brother.

For us Filipinos, bakla=homosexual, but you may think differently in your country.

Crazy sounding stats for each younger generation?
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: CatTreats on May 10, 2014, 05:05:48 pm
Wouldn't it also be possible that with the increase in acceptance of homosexuality in our society, more people are coming out to the public, therefore resulting in an "increase" in the population being homosexual? In other words, more people are actually admitting to their homosexual orientation, thereby increasing the statistic in general rather than there literally being more homosexual people being born or whatever.

On the other hand, I do think there could be some type of relation between the amount of estrogenic foods (soy being the first thing that comes to mind) and the lack of testosterone in the average person's diet and this "increase" in homosexuality, assuming that there is an actual increase and not just the increase of people admitting to it as I previously theorized. This is also assuming that a lack of testosterone / too much estrogen would lead to homosexuality in the first place.

I do firmly believe that homosexuality is a naturally occurring thing, as we've seen in nature that animals and other species partake in homosexual acts. There is also evidence of homosexuality in history, long long ago. But, because being strictly homosexual would mean a lack of reproduction, thus a lack of passing on homosexuality genetically (assuming that it is actually a genetic trait), homosexuality would remain minimal at best. But, there are a lot of unanswered questions about homosexuality in general which leaves most of these theories as just that - theories. I could be wrong, though.

These are just my thoughts. I have a few gay friends who I love and care for dearly. I don't like to think anything wrong of them, and I completely accept their homosexuality. One of them is a particularly good friend. I see homosexuality as completely natural, however it is not a beneficial trait in terms of nature due to lack of reproduction.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: goodsamaritan on May 10, 2014, 09:27:25 pm
probably a combination of everything.
our society has always been accepting of homosexuality as far as i can remember.
we have children's rhyme games... girl, boy, bakla, tomboy... with children laughing if you happen to be tagged as bakla or tomboy.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: goodsamaritan on May 13, 2014, 10:54:29 am
Survey this morning from 2 people.

A vacationing nephew, Jeremy Tagarao, graduated high school 2 years ago from

St. Mary's College
Sct. Reyes, Quezon City
http://goo.gl/maps/b0O16 (http://goo.gl/maps/b0O16)

And he estimates from a high school batch of 450 students

5-6% bakla (homosexual male in Filipino)
10% tomboy (male like lesbian)

----

Our new maid from Antique province

Antique Vocational School
Ilaya, Bugasong 5704
http://goo.gl/maps/WWXwL (http://goo.gl/maps/WWXwL)

Mikkah Jane Roquero says in her high school batch around 440 students:
(just graduated high school last year)

20% bakla (homosexual male in Filipino)
30% tomboy (male like lesbian)

Note that Antique, in that area is supposed to be a rather environmentally cleaner part of the country.
But it cannot escape TV, junk food using GMO corn, soya taho, tofu, margarine, farmed fish, castrated pigs and 45 day chickens, pesticided race, fertilizer lacking in sulfur, cell phones...

I would wager the Antique people have access to fresh sea food and fresh river creatures and fresh vegetables.

---------

These are the first 2 young people I had interviewed where it seems there was a higher percentage of tomboys than bakla in their high school batch mates.

----------

My 9 yr old daughter asked me why I was doing this bakla and tomboy survey.

I said this is Original Research in the making.  As you know, just like in healing, I am not going to wait for the government or some "science" agency to do the research for me.  I see a pattern, a distressing pattern, I go and make the research myself.  Why?  If there is something that is CAUSING this sudden abnormal SURGE in bakla and tomboy % incidences, I want to know.  I want to know the hidden dangers out there and hopefully steer my own children and grand children out of harm's way.  I will blog my research for free, and hope it helps some people who may want to listen and steer their own children out of harm's way.

My eldest boy is turning 13 and the next boy is turning 11.  These are the prime ages in my experience when the homosexual predators start preying on them.  I experienced my share of predators when I was young.  My own kids know their 15 yr old boy cousin had a homosexual predator stalking him in this village of ours.

The kids know the story of my eldest boy who was being poisoned by soya in eutero and before he was 1 year old.  We corrected that horrible pollutant that was making our boy bakla.  1 month soy free and he was masculine.  This is why since 2002 we had been soya free as a family.

----------

What pattern sudden increase am I talking about?

In my high school batch (1986), there may have been 2 bakla out of 160 males. (1.25%)
And no tomboys out of 160 females.

The incidences being reported by your man or woman on the street today gives figures that are just unbelievable (20, 30, 40, 50%) until I started asking more and more people and seeing that yes, the sudden increase is quite alarming and there must be some cause or causes.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: CatTreats on May 13, 2014, 01:21:20 pm
What exactly defines a tomboy?
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: goodsamaritan on May 13, 2014, 02:12:43 pm
What exactly defines a tomboy?

Tomboys here are defined as looking and acting a man.  Dressing up like a man.  Courting girls like a man would.  Having girl friends, acting out as the man in a relationship.  A girl pairing up with a tomboy is still called a girl.  Girls can have both tomboy and male boyfriends... even at the same time, we once had a travel agent girl who had both a tomboy and a male boyfriend alternately fetching her at our office.

That's My Tomboy Grand Finals (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_nUF-ZMX-4#)

That's my Tomboy 2014 - a MSM contest on National TV by the biggest network ABS-CBN.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: CatTreats on May 13, 2014, 02:38:03 pm
Tomboys here are defined as looking and acting a man.  Dressing up like a man.  Courting girls like a man would.  Having girl friends, acting out as the man in a relationship.  A girl pairing up with a tomboy is still called a girl.  Girls can have both tomboy and male boyfriends... even at the same time, we once had a travel agent girl who had both a tomboy and a male boyfriend alternately fetching her at our office.

Hm, I've always been referred to as a 'tomboy,' especially as a kid. I have always acted more "boy'ish" in a sense, but not to that extreme. It's more that I lack "girly-girl" qualities.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: goodsamaritan on May 13, 2014, 02:40:44 pm
Hm, I've always been referred to as a 'tomboy,' especially as a kid. I have always acted more "boy'ish" in a sense, but not to that extreme. It's more that I lack "girly-girl" qualities.

See the video above, I just updated the post after your reply.

That video above was the grand finals.

Here are the finalists of the first week of the same contest.

That's My Tomboy - It's Showtime (Top 10 Finalist) 1st Week (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8QOh5jmsO8#ws)

You can see all the videos of that's my tomboy contest here:

http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCU0BSSWUAuHAnAC675WzcZw (http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCU0BSSWUAuHAnAC675WzcZw)

Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: CatTreats on May 13, 2014, 02:52:51 pm
Are you sure you don't mean lesbian? My boyfriend (filipino) is saying that as well.  He says you're using tomboy wrong. :p Tomboy in America just means a girl lacking feminine qualities and acting like a boy (i.e. Not wearing make-up, wearing cargo shorts and not wearing skirts or dresses), but doesn't mean she is interested in women in a homosexual way.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: goodsamaritan on May 13, 2014, 03:08:29 pm
Are you sure you don't mean lesbian? My boyfriend (filipino) is saying that as well.  He says you're using tomboy wrong. :p Tomboy in America just means a girl lacking feminine qualities and acting like a boy (i.e. Not wearing make-up, wearing cargo shorts and not wearing skirts or dresses), but doesn't mean she is interested in women in a homosexual way.

Review the videos above, they fully describe what words I cannot type about what a tomboy is defined today in 2014 in the Philippines.

Tomboys in the Philippines are interested in women in a homosexual way.

My wife had her share of tomboy suitors, plus that laughable butch / tomboy massage expert we had who lived in with our nannie... and later on was coming on strong obsessed with my wife when my wife was then 38... my wife felt icky and uncomfortable stripping to the obsessed tomboy afterwards so she doesn't call on her anymore.

Here's our tomboy massage expert:

(http://www.curelibrary.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/emelda-shows-regrown-finger.jpg)

The girl I helped give water birth to is defined as a girl, she has both male boyfriends and tomboy boyfriends.  Her nannie today is her tomboy boyfriend and they have a remote cousin who is also a tomboy.  She still entertains tomboy suitors, funny even during valentines day when she was big 7 months pregnant .

They show kissing and tonguing on facebook.  She says her boobs get sucked by her tomboy boyfriend and she gets fingered too.  But she is a girl.

The tomboys physically look like their hourglass figures are lost.  My friend says the tomboy thing seems infectious, formerly girls hanging out with tomboys eventually look like tomboys.


See pic of this girl I helped and talking about:

(http://www.pronatal.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/h-and-r.jpg)

Attached is their tomboy distant cousin who usually hangs out with them.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: CatTreats on May 13, 2014, 03:22:36 pm
Tomboys in the Philippines are interested in women in a homosexual way.

Okay, then yes that's definitely just a different use of the term. Tomboy here is just a girl that acts like a boy. Like I grew up playing with dinosaurs and lizards, and never played with dolls or Barbie. I love video games and bugs. I've never used make-up once in my life and only recently did I start to willingly wear skirts or dresses (but still not that often). The term here is 'lesbian' which would basically be the female counterpart to a gay man. A lesbian can act feminine, but is interested in women the same way that a heterosexual (straight) man is.

My wife had her share of tomboy suitors, plus that laughable butch / tomboy massage expert we had who lived in with our nannie... and later on was coming on strong obsessed with my wife when my wife was then 38... my wife felt icky and uncomfortable stripping to the obsessed tomboy afterwards so she doesn't call on her anymore.

Uh oh. Why was she stripping for her? Haha.

They show kissing and tonguing on facebook.  She says her boobs get sucked by her tomboy boyfriend and she gets fingered too.  But she is a girl.

Yes, that would definitely be 'lesbian' here.


The tomboys physically look like their hourglass figures are lost.  My friend says the tomboy thing seems infectious, formerly girls hanging out with tomboys eventually look like tomboys.

I'm not sure how that would work. I know plenty "lesbians" that look very feminine, even being more feminine than myself. As for the infectious this, I can't imagine how that would work either. I have a few homosexual friends and I've never felt "changed" by them. I would think that the girls hanging out with "tomboys" were already feeling the same way, and they just helped them come out with the truth.

My boyfriend says that homosexuality is very accepted in the Philippines. Is it not? I'm surprised they would call it "infectious" like AIDS or something.

Just to conclude - I'm definitely not a tomboy by your term. I just act more boy'ish. My body still looks like a female. My face has always been more unisex in my opinion (round, baby'ish, etc), but I've only been confused for a boy maybe 2-3 times in my life. I just have more boy'ish characteristics like video games, playing with bugs and reptiles, being open about my sexuality (i.e. porn, masturbation, etc). That would be tomboy. Since I don't date females and don't have serious interest in them, I wouldn't be a lesbian.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: goodsamaritan on May 13, 2014, 03:32:32 pm
Uh oh. Why was she stripping for her? Haha.

When my wife gets a massage, she just wears her thong panties.

My boyfriend says that homosexuality is very accepted in the Philippines. Is it not? I'm surprised they would call it "infectious" like AIDS or something.

I'm not the one who said that infectious observation.  It was the girl I helped give water birth who said that observation.  What I see they have in common is these tomboys lose their hour glass figures. 

Yes, homosexuality is old news in my culture.  This is why we can talk about it in a research kind of manner.  The younger sister of my grandma used to have a long time boyfriend, was heart broken, lived in with a tomboy for a few years, was heart broken again when the tomboy got a new girlfriend, she married a new guy she only knew for 5 days.

This grandma is defined as a "girl", she gave birth to 3 kids. (Her first born is a boy who is homosexual / gay living in San Francisco today.)

MSM poster for the 2013 movie Girl Boy Bakla Tomboy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girl,_Boy,_Bakla,_Tomboy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girl,_Boy,_Bakla,_Tomboy)

The movie is now the highest grossing Filipino film of all time.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: CatTreats on May 13, 2014, 05:46:00 pm
When my wife gets a massage, she just wears her thong panties.

Ohh! I get it. That makes more sense. :)

I'm not the one who said that infectious observation.  It was the girl I helped give water birth who said that observation.  What I see they have in common is these tomboys lose their hour glass figures. 

Oh I know, I just wonder why that would be said. I also wonder why they would lose their figure.
Title: Re: Population Control Propaganda - Sperm Counts Dropped 80% in 50 years!
Post by: goodsamaritan on May 22, 2014, 08:25:21 am
21 Year old Roxy Pautan from Cadiz City says she observes 35-40% "bakla" (homosexual males) in her high school.

----

Alan Watt The Neo-Eugenics War (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CcYuaxoX-I#ws)

On to Alan Watt

Published on Nov 11, 2013

Alan Watt The Neo-Eugenics War On Humanity (Full Version)
http://www.stopthecrime.net (http://www.stopthecrime.net)

Alan Watt discusses how sperm counts across Europe and America have dropped at an alarming rate of up to 80 per cent over the past 50 years, and how the media's complete ignorance of this crisis proves that it was authorized as a deliberate program of de-population. Watt traces the program back to its origins in the 1950's, where synthetic female hormones like estrogen were put in baby foods by companies like Proctor and Gamble, as well as baby milk bottles washed with Bisphenol A, the very substance that attacks male genitalia and prevents it from developing properly. Watt also outlines how Bisphenol A in women's cosmetic products contributes to toxifying their bodies, leading to an environment for male babies that leads them to have a reduced sperm count or even become sterile.The foundation of the agenda can be discovered in the writings of people like Bertrand Russell and the Huxley brothers, who talked about the need to sterilize the masses as far back as the 1930's.

Watt also divulges how the elite's ultimate goal for every human allowed to be born is for them to serve the state and be deceived into accepting this enslavement as a natural form of existence. The elite's greatest fear is that the "inferiors" will out-breed the "superiors," which is why they continually push neo-eugenics and are obsessed with inter-breeding to keep their own genetics intellectually pure.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution: 12 ways to avoid hidden BPA
Post by: goodsamaritan on May 22, 2014, 08:29:17 am
"...Bisphenol A, the very substance that attacks male genitalia and prevents it from developing properly."

http://www.davidsuzuki.org/blogs/queen-of-green/2013/05/12-ways-to-avoid-hidden-bpa/ (http://www.davidsuzuki.org/blogs/queen-of-green/2013/05/12-ways-to-avoid-hidden-bpa/)

(http://www.davidsuzuki.org/blogs/queen-of-green/Steaming-Coffee-text.jpg)
Avoid BPA's in hot beverages by using a glass French-press, stainless steel electric percolator or glass kettle.

Bisphenol A is getting a lot of attention, with good reason. Health Canada recently reported that 95 per cent of Canadians have measurable levels of BPA in their blood or urine, with the highest levels found in children.

Potential health effects from BPA exposure include breast and prostate cancer, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder and a wide range of developmental problems. That's why BPA was added to Canada`s toxic substances list in 2012 and banned from baby bottles.

But that's not enough! We need to take collective action to create a healthy, BPA-free environment.
Cut your BPA exposure now

In the meantime, reduce your exposure immediately:

1. Trade in kitchen plastic — dishes, containers and appliances — for glass, stainless steel or porcelain.

2. Choose safer plastics #2, #4 and #5 — #3 and #7 often contain BPA.

3. Swap out plastic wrap — Parchment paper, glass jars, beeswax cotton wraps or recycled aluminum foil are better options.

4. Keep plastic out of the freezer, microwave and dishwasher. BPA and phthalates leach from plastics at a higher rate in hot or cold temperatures.

5. Enjoy BPA-free coffee and tea at home. Use a glass French-press, stainless steel electric percolator or glass kettle to avoid piping hot water against plastic pieces.

6. Bring your own mug. Disposable paper cups are often lined with plastic — and they're wasteful!

7. Can the canned goods. Many are lined with BPA. Even "BPA-free" cans may contain BPS (another estrogen mimic) or PET film (which may contain DEHA).

8. Skip aluminum soda cans — also lined with BPA!

9. Breastfeed (or use powdered baby formula). BPA transfers through breast milk, so protecting you also protects baby. More BPA leaches into liquid than powdered formula.

10. Request "no receipt". Thermal paper (receipts, event and cinema tickets, airline tickets) contain BPA. It transfers to your fingers and, when recycled, can leach into new paper products (like toilet paper).

11. Play it safe. Wood and cloth toys are excellent, toxin-free alternatives to plastics.

12. Talk to your dentist. Dental sealants and composites can contain BPA.

BPA is readily eliminated from our bodies. So while we push for a regulatory framework that protects our health and environment, these changes will go a long ways towards reducing your exposure right away.

Sincerely,
Tovah Paglaro, Queen of Green

http://www.davidsuzuki.org/blogs/queen-of-green/2013/05/12-ways-to-avoid-hidden-bpa/ (http://www.davidsuzuki.org/blogs/queen-of-green/2013/05/12-ways-to-avoid-hidden-bpa/)

As discussed in the previous post with Alan Watt:

"... a deliberate program of de-population. Watt traces the program back to its origins in the 1950's, where synthetic female hormones like estrogen were put in baby foods by companies like Proctor and Gamble, as well as baby milk bottles washed with Bisphenol A, the very substance that attacks male genitalia and prevents it from developing properly. Watt also outlines how Bisphenol A in women's cosmetic products contributes to toxifying their bodies, leading to an environment for male babies that leads them to have a reduced sperm count or even become sterile."

So it seems "plasticization" of the populace... BPA lacing of everything has something to do with this thread.  We are getting somewhere.  Follow the clues wherever they may lead.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: van on May 22, 2014, 11:25:21 am
When I was in high school, I played football.  One of the seniors at a football meeting with the head coach who could kill just with a look, was asked in front of everyone what he'd do if his just born baby boy turned out to be gay.   He answered without missing a beat,  "I'd kill him". 

   Gs sometimes I wonder what your fascination with this Gay thing really is about.  I get it that you think it's food and chemical related.  But is there more to it.   Like,  have you looked at your own potential to be gay?   It seems from your writing here that you think there's more wrong to it besides the fact that it May have been promoted by some sort of food or chemical imbalance.   And I do remember your thoughts about how it's part of a master plan to depopulate the world.      But more,, what if you're son turns out to be gay?   How would you feel about that?
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: goodsamaritan on May 22, 2014, 04:57:26 pm
When I was in high school, I played football.  One of the seniors at a football meeting with the head coach who could kill just with a look, was asked in front of everyone what he'd do if his just born baby boy turned out to be gay.   He answered without missing a beat,  "I'd kill him". 

That is an absolutely horrific and alien culture to what we have in our country.  Filipinos are not like that.  Remember that we have our own word "bakla" which seems ancient which means "bakla" may have been a word used before the Spaniards arrived in 1500s.

   Gs sometimes I wonder what your fascination with this Gay thing really is about.  I get it that you think it's food and chemical related.  But is there more to it.   Like,  have you looked at your own potential to be gay?   It seems from your writing here that you think there's more wrong to it besides the fact that it May have been promoted by some sort of food or chemical imbalance.   And I do remember your thoughts about how it's part of a master plan to depopulate the world.      But more,, what if you're son turns out to be gay?   How would you feel about that?

*** Long answer... please read for appreciation. ***

I never had any thoughts about being "bakla".   I had written many times here that our first born son at 1 year old seemed "bakla"... and because my wife and I were SCIENTIFIC, we decided to do something about it and had found SOYA to be polluting our son with daily TAHO sold to our door step by a walking vendor. 

Van, I grew up in a time of "Martial Law" when the absolute dictator ruled our land and no criticisms of his rule was allowed lest you be picked up by "secret martials." 

I studied my entire life in the University of the Philippines, known throughout our land as the hot bed of "Free Thinkers" and "rebels".

In my high school at 14 our book report study was 1984 by George Orwell, which was grilled to us by "Free Thinking" teachers to open our eyes to the matrix of lies all around us.  In my last year of high school, the dictatorship fell, and we found FREEDOM in my country.  We are called Demo-Crazy by our neighbouring countries. We impeach and jail our presidents. 

I've always been the scientific, mathematical, astro "geek" in elementary and high school and I would do my own scientific experiments for fun because I'm curious if what I'm reading is true.  I don't take things as they are presented to me.

Being an astro "geek" I go beyond what Carl Sagan / Cosmos / NASA teaches us and I get into allegedly controversial Electric Universe and catastrophism and Saturnian solar system origins.

With computers I was a linux geek in 1998 way before they taught linux in school.  I programmed databases with clipper / dbase in 1987 self studied before they taught it in school.  I was a freelance programmer and got hired many times to do accounting programs while I was in college.  I took up Mechanical Engineering in college, not computer science.  I self learn.

In the medical field my frustrations with all the medical idiocies I strive to solve with better techniques so my children do not have to repeat the same mistakes. 

My wife and I swore off all vaccines when we did our own due diligence.

I fed my boy raw blood every day to cure him of tuberculosis.

I'm into water birthing now when it is almost unheard of here. Why? For my children and my grand children.  Because 3 c-sections my wife bore took a toll on her health and robbed her of more children she should have had.  She even had an appendectomy while 4 months pregnant.  I now have brazenly saved my friends from appendectomies by giving them 1 shot of a herbal concoction.

My wife and I battled infertility in the whole of 2002... that was a humbling humanizing mortality realizing issue that made me appreciate LIFE even more!  Creating life, nurturing life, curing lives is hard work.  Life destruction is easy.  We solved infertility... no thanks to the medical doctors... and I made a website about it to help others.

They said my eczema and my brother's psoriasis were incurable... now I am teaching people to cure themselves.

I have cured many death defying cases hands on hospitals had given up on.  I say AIDS hysteria is mostly crap, just as the cancer hysteria is mostly crap.

Like you, we are almost at the cutting edge with raw paleo diets.

This study with bakla / tomboy / homosexuality is just another topic in my long line of curiosities where the matrix of lies I meet head on.  I am well positioned to do so because I have no religious beliefs to be accused of.  I have ZERO "political correctness" cultural baggage to drag me down from investigating this big bad lumbering CRISIS that is engulfing my country today where I live and breath and can see right before my eyes.  I heard the western world is drowning in political correctness.  I am happy to contribute a lot of ASIAN zero political correctness to this forum.  No to CENSORSHIP.

The rate of bakla from my own high school (1986) experience of 1.25% to today's interviews of 10% to 50% rates is a CRISIS.

Just as when my dad had 500 Million / ml sperm count, I had a high of 300 Million / ml sperm count, my brother in law then had a 200 million / ml sperm count, and seeing my lab results range say 50M to 150M / ml, and now in wikipedia it says the average sperm count is 20M-40M... that is also a CRISIS.

Now as you can see I have dug up BPA as a suspect in this ongoing investigation.

And as far as depopulation issues are concerned, the depopulationists are just happily whistling their way doing what they have always planned and still executing to this day as written down in black and white at NSSM 200.

I am a non-religious pro-lifer and I promote the legalization of polygamy in my pronatal blog.  I am odd... or just being myself.  I have written many times in the Pro-Life Philippines forum (2005-2008) that Polygamy will save families in the family destroyed countries.  As you can see, Islam is polygamous and is taking over Europe.

I am not into "FEELING"... I am into scientific investigations.  Follow the truth wherever it may lead.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution - Triclosan Damages Male Reproductive System
Post by: goodsamaritan on May 22, 2014, 05:54:06 pm
THE PLOT THICKENS: Triclosan Damages Male Reproductive Systems

A friend texted me this morning: "I just found out TRICLOSAN is banned in Canada.  It's common in anti-bacterial soaps like Safeguard.  Inhibits reproductive functions."

http://www.nyrnaturalnews.com/health/2012/04/canada-set-to-ban-toxic-antibacterial-triclosan/ (http://www.nyrnaturalnews.com/health/2012/04/canada-set-to-ban-toxic-antibacterial-triclosan/)

http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/antibacterial-triclosan-banned-from-soap-in-minnesota-1.2648456 (http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/antibacterial-triclosan-banned-from-soap-in-minnesota-1.2648456)

http://www.change.org/petitions/tell-epa-to-get-triclosan-a-dangerous-anti-bacterial-out-of-our-soap (http://www.change.org/petitions/tell-epa-to-get-triclosan-a-dangerous-anti-bacterial-out-of-our-soap)

http://www.foxnews.com/story/2010/07/29/lawsuit-antimicrobial-soaps-damage-reproductive-organs/ (http://www.foxnews.com/story/2010/07/29/lawsuit-antimicrobial-soaps-damage-reproductive-organs/)

http://sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Triclosan (http://sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Triclosan)

"In animal tests, triclosan interferes with thyroid hormone (serum total thyroxine), which is critical for normal growth and brain development, as well as male and female sex hormones, which are necessary for the normal growth and function of the reproductive system.[38][39] One study found that triclosan decreased sperm count, damaged the male reproductive system, and disrupted male hormone production in rats.[40] Scientists fear that it may have the same effects on humans because humans have similar hormone systems as animals.[41]"

Triclosan is found in clothing, kitchenware, furniture, toys, medical devices, antibacterial soaps and body washes, deodorants, acne medications, mouthwashes, toothpastes, wound disinfection solutions, and cosmetics.[11][12] Triclosan is found in 75 percent of liquid hand soaps.[13] However, an advisory panel to the FDA found in 2005 that there is no evidence that antibacterial soaps are more effective than regular soap and water.[14] In April 2013, the FDA amended its page on triclosan to say the following: "At this time, the agency does not have evidence that triclosan in antibacterial soaps and body washes provides any benefit over washing with regular soap and water."[15][16][17]

Brands and products containing triclosan include:[18]

    8 in 1 (Pet Shampoo)
    Bath & Body Works (AntiBacterial Hand Gel)
    Clean and Smooth (Liquid Soap)
    Clearasil (Face Wash)
    Colgate (Toothpaste)
    Dawn (Dishwashing Liquid, Liquid Soap)
    Dial (Body Wash, Liquid Soap)
    Edge (Shave Gel)
    Gentle (Liquid Soap)
    Gillette (Shave Gel)
    Imina (Facial Cleanser)
    Joy (Dishwashing Liquid, Liquid Soap)
    Lever 2000 (Bar Soap)
    Old Spice (Deodorant)
    Noxzema (Cleanser)
    Palmolive (Liquid Soap)
    Pet Gold (Dog Shampoo)
    pHisoderm (Skin Cleanser)
    Revlon (Lipgloss)
    Right Guard Sport (Deodorant)
    Shield (Bar Soap)
    Soft and Dri (Antiperspirant)
    Softsoap (Body Wash, Liquid Soap)
    Suave (Bar Soap, Liquid Soap)
    Vaseline (Liquid Soap)
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: van on May 22, 2014, 10:39:43 pm
Ok, thanks for your answer.   Then it seems you're just fascinated by the entire physiological  response to currents food stuffs and chemicals.   At least with your research there's the idea that people will then have a choice, or at least be offered one.   keep on
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: CatTreats on May 23, 2014, 03:40:35 am
I guess it's a good thing that we literally never use soap for anything. Crazy discovery, though.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: sabertooth on May 23, 2014, 01:23:10 pm
Ive been warning people about Triclosan for a long time now.

I remember when I was in Jail we were given personal care packs with toothpaste, deodorant, soap and shampoo.... every single item was loaded with Triclosan. The majority of the meat served in jail was processed hormone fed turkey. The schools are just as bad with antibacterial soap and GMO soy based lunch menus. It would seem that there is a deliberate attempt to hormonally cull large segments of the population.

Another note on hormone disrupting chemicals,
I read a book called "Silent Spring" which focused on the hidden damage done by hormone disrupting chemicals. It was observed that birds who were exposed to DDT in higher levels became infertile, and those who were exposed to lower doses were capable of reproducing, but they where in general less capable, competent, and interested in the rearing of their young. These hormonal systems connected to the parental instinct are disrupted by chemical pollutants. Even if chronic low level pollution with chemical pesticides, BPA, or Triclosan is not enough to cause infertility, those who still manage to reproduce will have a severely impaired  parental instinctive drive, as well as affected offspring.

There may be some correlation with hormone disrupting chemicals and infertility, and it may even be a primary factor in the increased numbers of gender benders. Though, what I am most concerned about is how this low level pollution with hormone disrupting chemicals, is affecting us in much more sublime ways.

As human beings we posses a delicate balance of hormonal systems which regulate our behavior. Men and women who are polluted with hormone disruptors are not capable of reacting appropriately to the hormonal signals which evolved to allow us to live and work in unity with the others in the tribe. These biological signals are responsible for the conditions which make close relationships possible. When these systems are disrupted in chemically polluted individuals then the entire social dynamic can break down. Women and men being overloaded with estrogen mimickers will find it more difficult to live in relationship with each other, and will be less capable of forging the close bonds needed to build a life together and raise children.                                                                                                       

Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, STRESS while Pregnant - Scientific Study Explains
Post by: goodsamaritan on May 24, 2014, 12:41:30 am
STRESS while Pregnant - Scientific Study Explains

"A few years back I did a story on homosexuality. I contacted a well known neurologist at the famous Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston and a graduate of Harvard Medical School. He told me that brains have gender and that the gender is determined during the first three months of life in the womb. He explained how certain things could happen -- and sometimes do -- to result in the brain being one gender and the rest of the body being the other. He also warned me not to quote him on this because of the strong political and social ramifications. [see story here.]"

http://www.viewzone.com/homosexual.html (http://www.viewzone.com/homosexual.html)

How Do Brains Get Gender?

Embryology teaches that early embryos all start out as female. At some point in early gestation, if the chromosomes destine the fetus to be male, the embryo is altered by the genetically programmed addition of certain hormones, called androgens. These androgens, especially testosterone, instruct the embryo to develop male characteristics. In their absence, the embryo continues to develop into a female.

    "Abstract: Male rats were exposed to prenatal (i.e. before they were born) or postnatal (after they were born) stress, or both. The prenatally stressed males showed low levels of male copulatory behavior and high rates of female lordotic responding (i.e. "lordotic" refers to mounting behavior which usually occurs during mating). Postnatal stress had no effect. The modifications are attributed to stress-mediated alterations in the ratio of adrenal to gonadal androgens during critical stages of sexual differentiation. Specifically, it appears that stress causes an increase in the weak adrenal androgen, androstendione, from the maternal fetal adrenal cortices, or both, and a concurrent decrease in the potent gonadal androgen, testosterone." [6]

If the baby carries "XY" chromosomes and is destined to become a male, testosterone needs to activate the newly forming hypothalamus. This is the first known critical phase of "defeminization" when something can go awry, upsetting the master plan.[10]

If a mother is stressed during the early stages of pregnancy, she will release an adrenaline related hormone into her shared bloodstream with her unborn baby. This hormone, called androstendione, is structurally similar to testosterone, the male hormone. Both are androgens, but testosterone is more than twenty times as potent as androstendione.

It has also recently been suggested that testosterone actually breaks down to estradiol in some way that androstendione may not [12, 15], further implicating this androgen in disrupting the process of early brain development.

Because the stress hormone seems to mimic testosterone, there is the delay or blockage of the effectiveness of testosterone, even if it is plentiful. This causes a disturbance in the "defeminization" of the hypothalamus [7].

 In Doctor Ward's own words:

    "...The present data support the hypothesis that exposure of pregnant rats to environmental stressors modifies the normal process of sexual behavior differentiation in male fetuses by decreasing functional testosterone and elevating androstenedione levels during prenatal development. During stress conditions plasma testosterone emanating from the gonads decreases while adrenal androstenedione rises. The molecular structure of the two androgens, being very similar, it is postulated that the two hormones compete for the same receptor sites. Since androstenedione is a less potent androgen than testosterone, the decrease in male copulatory ability and increased lordotic potential seen in the prenatally stressed animals of the present study would be expected. The relative difference in potency between testosterone and androstendione has been repeatedly demonstrated. [Ibid.]

------

My own insights...

... As discussed previously many Filipino mothers in the past recent decades were more STRESSED in their initial discovery of their pregnancies because they have no support system in place.  There is no government support, there is no husband, boyfriend ran away, they do not know who the father is, she has no means by herself and her family is poor.  She was brainwashed on 100% effectivity of contraception when such a percentage is statistically flawed. (US FDA states birth control pills have a 10% per year failure rate... just as an example of one type of birth control method.)

In the past decades when Filipina women were more often happily married or they were not mis-educated on contraceptives, they knew sex led to babies and welcomed pregnancies without stress.

Today's common urban Filipina is stressed at finding out she is pregnant because of the above financial reasons and contraceptive wrong expectations; she first resorts to taking urban legend means to abort her baby, when those fail, she just accepts the baby and carries on, or the baby may have been damaged by the urban legend means and / or stress.

And this does not take into account the horrible malnutrition diets and polluted diets and the plastics and the chemicals in personal care products as previously discussed.

----

Note that I am not talking about the other kinds of homosexuals... those in the sex addiction category... will discuss those later on.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution - PVC Plastic Pipes in Plumbing
Post by: goodsamaritan on May 24, 2014, 12:47:05 am
Now a new study has found that altering the androgens of a fetus during early pregnancy -- this time by by-products of PVC (the plastic pipes found in most home plumbing) -- can not only alter the gender of the brain but can change the formation of the genitals in the newborn.

(http://www.viewzone2.com/phthalates-pipe.jpg)

Phthalate Exposure Linked to Less-Masculine Play by Boys

A study of 145 preschool children reports in the International Journal of Andrology, for the first time, that when the concentrations of two common phthalates in mothers' prenatal urine are elevated their sons are less likely to play with male-typical toys and games, such as trucks and play fighting.

What's the big deal here? Well for years psychologists have looked for ways to predict homosexuality in children. They were trying to see at what age the child "chose" to be gay. One of the most reliable clues to homosexuality was detected in the types of toys and play activities that children preferred.

Because testosterone produces the masculine brain, researchers are concerned that fetal exposure to anti-androgens such as phthalates -- which are pervasive in the environment -- has the potential to alter masculine brain development, said lead author Shanna H. Swan, Ph.D., professor of Obstetrics and Gynecology, director of the URMC Center for Reproductive Epidemiology, and an expert in phthalates.

"Our results need to be confirmed, but are intriguing on several fronts," Swan said cautiously. "Not only are they consistent with our prior findings that link phthalates to altered male genital development, but they also are compatible with current knowledge about how hormones mold sex differences in the brain, and thus behavior. We have more work to do, but the implications are potentially profound."

More here: http://www.viewzone2.com/phthalates.html (http://www.viewzone2.com/phthalates.html)

--------------

Now are you seeing the pattern here?
Explanations WHY there are isolated tribes in Africa with ZERO homosexuality?
No word for homosexuality.

Those tribes have none of these stressors or chemical pollutants that cause homosexuality in more "modern" environments. (no PVC pipes, no plastics, no chemicals)

They probably did not eat castrated animals at all!

Their men and women were always "searching for children", children there in those tribes were ALWAYS wanted.  Their women were HAPPY to be pregnant.

You cannot say the same for this ridiculous urban jungle of a zoo jail most of us live in today... where women are hypnotized to only WANT a child in the most stringent of ridiculous conditions unfathomable from those primitive african tribes. Miss any of these stringent ridiculous conditions and the child in utero is UNWANTED and the urban woman is STRESSED to the point of killing her own child.

As we are all striving for that ideal raw paleo diet and lifestyle, we know how twisted (fucked up) this urban situation is these days.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: sabertooth on May 24, 2014, 09:16:30 am
I am all too aware of the situation!

Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: sabertooth on May 25, 2014, 04:03:27 am
http://www.infowars.com/rejected-brat-goes-on-murderous-rampage-because-girls-didnt-like-him/ (http://www.infowars.com/rejected-brat-goes-on-murderous-rampage-because-girls-didnt-like-him/)

This is a possible case of extreme hormone disruption, which lead to social alienation and murderous tendencies.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: TylerDurden on May 26, 2014, 02:20:47 pm
http://www.infowars.com/rejected-brat-goes-on-murderous-rampage-because-girls-didnt-like-him/ (http://www.infowars.com/rejected-brat-goes-on-murderous-rampage-because-girls-didnt-like-him/)

This is a possible case of extreme hormone disruption, which lead to social alienation and murderous tendencies.
The above link is just another example of why we need a more libertarian society. Legalizing prostitution causes prices to go down which would help relieve the ah, "daily stress" of  people like him.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: TylerDurden on May 26, 2014, 04:50:33 pm
Actually, the reason given for the shooting was his asperger's syndrome classification rather than hormones as such. Besides, the guy had plenty of money to attract girls and was hardly ugly. Interesting anyway..  I recall reading somewhere that mixed-race people are more likely to be born with  mental health problems.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: sabertooth on May 27, 2014, 02:36:51 am
I was primarily commenting on the mans effeminate look. Big lips and feminine features often point to exposure of hormone disrupting substances during early development.

Being from hollywood its possible he was exposed to a lot of soy, and other kinds of estrogen rich food that are often consumed by the wealthy yuppie hollywood types. Point being its very doubtfull that the Young man was nursed for two years by a well balanced and healthy woman, nor was he raised eating ample amounts of grass fed intact animals.

There are countless other factors in regards to what actually triggered his mental illness, but just from looking at the videos there is evidence that he was one of the millions of people from his generation who was exposed to an excess of hormone mimicking chemicals. 
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: goodsamaritan on May 27, 2014, 08:26:52 am
Absent father?
Some young men just need to be introduced to willing girls to get them started.
I coached my younger brother beginning 12 yrs old and lent him my apartment every time he needed it by the time he was 17.
Im older by 11 yrs and guided him all the way.
Even now... i ask if he's getting enough sex from his wife...
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: sabertooth on May 27, 2014, 11:22:29 am
Possibly absent father syndrome,
but I just learned that his mother was taking birth control hormones and got pregnant with him because of taking antibiotics,

The grandmother said that the child was never right, so I still think the source of this mans problem may be related to biological developmental disorder related to environmentally caused hormone imbalances early in development, and these problems were aggravated by social alienation which was a consequence of the primary disability.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution - Use of birth control pills while pregnant!
Post by: goodsamaritan on May 27, 2014, 06:07:54 pm
If the boy had a real father, and he noticed his son was getting antsy about not getting laid, father should have given him a couple of chicks so he could let off steam.  It's not something mothers or grandmothers can do.  Only fathers / grandfathers and concerned or elder brothers should be giving chicks if the boy just needed it so bad.

I have an Australian friend who was introduced to girls by his elder brother.  Then his father took him on a trip to Angeles city and let him loose.  He turned out quite okay now that he is in his 50s.

Must investigate those who were conceived despite the use of birth control pills.  US FDA website says 10% per year is the failure rate of birth control pills.  Quite a large number of pregnancies that way it seems.  THIS IS BIG!!! (I'm betting no drug company wants to make this study playing with human lives.)


( ... and a big horde of guilty women and docs who will say that this does not affect the baby... DOES SO! )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auv6c0-FsjU# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auv6c0-FsjU#)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/01/contraception-video-men-homosexuality-birth-control-_n_1930057.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/01/contraception-video-men-homosexuality-birth-control-_n_1930057.html)

Contraception Video, Produced By Children Of Mary Order, Links Homosexuality With Birth Control
Posted: 10/01/2012

HOLY SHIT.  The study with the Alpha Male Chimp and his female chimps... injected with depo provera... at the very start of the video.
You must watch the first 2 minutes above!

More about that study: http://www.religiondispatches.org/dispatches/sarahmoricebrubaker/6444/print (http://www.religiondispatches.org/dispatches/sarahmoricebrubaker/6444/print)

See also: http://www.hausvater.org/book-reviews/153-darwinism-contraception-and-the-decline-of-manhood.html (http://www.hausvater.org/book-reviews/153-darwinism-contraception-and-the-decline-of-manhood.html)

Search google for "homosexual birth control pill"... lots of people are concerned!

https://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=homosexual+birth+control+pill&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 (https://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=homosexual+birth+control+pill&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8)
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: goodsamaritan on May 28, 2014, 09:31:07 am
Melvin Dagsa
from Burauen, Leyte
Born 1986

says 50 out of 180 bakla (around 28%)
says 10 out of 180 tomboy

in his high school batch.

Location here http://goo.gl/maps/6RSqo (http://goo.gl/maps/6RSqo)
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution - Use of birth control pills while pregnant!
Post by: CatTreats on May 28, 2014, 11:06:30 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auv6c0-FsjU# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auv6c0-FsjU#)

Contraception Video, Produced By Children Of Mary Order, Links Homosexuality With Birth Control

HOLY SHIT.  The study with the Alpha Male Chimp and his female chimps... injected with depo provera... at the very start of the video.
You must watch the first 2 minutes above!

Just watched the first two minutes. Damn. It doesn't surprise me at all, yet it's still alarming. Will finish the video now. Thanks for this.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: sabertooth on May 28, 2014, 12:24:20 pm
The male chimps behavior in reaction to the drugged females has very profound social dynamic implications to what is going on in modern society today.

The pheromone response is connected to our biological capacity to bond with others of the opposite sex, not only does it trigger feelings of lust and affection, but living in and around others and basking in the pheromones of the community may infact have other effects. Such as encouraging the males to actually stay around and help their females mates raise children.

Now we live in a society that is fearful of the effects of pheromones to the point of paranoia, and the population is inundated with hormone interferences. Peoples senses have become confused, and the epic increase in the percentage dysfunctional people incapable of sustaining close and meaningful relationships will never be calculated by the scientific establishment which has rubber stamped the use of Contraceptives along with the multitude of other hormone disrupting chemicals released into the human environment.

I remember growing up having difficulty with women. Young boys and men are separated from girls and women culturally. Separate restrooms, separate bathing, segregated school activities. Then as soon as you sprout your first pubic hairs the grownups are throwing chemical deodorants at you. Many young developing adolescents do not get exposed to the pheromone scents which are suppose to trigger the healthy development into sexual maturity. I was 18 before I lost my virginity, and the first few women I fooled around with were on contraception pills. There was not any strong connection during those first encounters and they usually went on to some other guy soon after. (Promiscuity of the infertile female is a modern condition when one cannot find satisfaction in a relationship, so they constantly move on to someone else. This is not to be confused with Polyamery when one is fully capable of loving and being satisfied with more than one person,( such as the alpha chimp Austin who chose to give three of his tribes females all of his monkey love, until the scientist came in and fucked it up.)

I was about 22 and ill when I had come to a point of nearly giving up on love and women, then I got a hold of this 18 year old who never had used birth control. I soon became fully engaged in an intense breeding process, and discovered the sweet feminine pheromones that I had been longing for. I was soon totally hooked on the stuff and We had four children together.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: CatTreats on May 28, 2014, 01:13:53 pm
I was about 22 when I had come to a point of nearly giving up on love and women, when I got a hold of this 18 year old who never had used birth control. I soon became fully evolved in an intense breeding process, and discovered the sweet feminine pheromones that I had been longing for. I was soon totally hooked and We now have four children together.

This definitely follows what the evidence is showing. Thanks for the story. It makes me wonder something - almost all the girls in my group of friends were on some form of birth control during our last year of high school. I was the only one who was not. And interestingly, most of the guys in the group had a major crush on me at some point. I wonder if that's the reason.

I guess the question I'm wondering is .... if you've ever taken birth control, how to know if you've permanently screwed yourself over? I unfortunately took pills for about one year before learning about how bad it was. I regret taking it, but that's what happens when society and even your PARENTS encourage it and you haven't learned the truth about anything, yet. I'm wondering if I'm already done a ton of damage or if time will revert anything.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats: The Disappearing Male. Where Have All the Boys Gone?
Post by: goodsamaritan on May 29, 2014, 01:33:40 pm
2009 movie about this crisis.

Movie: The Disappearing Male. Where Have All the Boys Gone? 44 mins.

The Disappearing Male ~ Biphenyl A (BPA) ~ Where Have All The BOYS Gone? on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/34176018)

The Disappearing Male is a documentary about one of the most important and least publicized issues facing the human species: the toxic threat to the male reproductive system. The last few decades have seen steady and dramatic increases in the incidence of boys and young men suffering from genital deformities, low sperm count, sperm abnormalities and testicular cancer.

At the same time, boys are now far more at risk of suffering from ADHD, autism, Tourette's syndrome, cerebral palsy, and dyslexia. The Disappearing Male takes a close and disturbing look at what many doctors and researchers now suspect are responsible for many of these problems: a class of common chemicals that are ubiquitous in our world. Found in everything from shampoo, sunglasses, meat and dairy products, carpet, cosmetics and baby bottles, they are called "hormone mimicking" or "endocrine disrupting" chemicals and they may be starting to damage the most basic building blocks of human development.

A laundry list of articles relating to BPA;
http://naturalnews.com/list_features_BPA.html (http://naturalnews.com/list_features_BPA.html)
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: Inger on May 29, 2014, 02:56:28 pm
I could never touch any unnatural birth control.... i just could not do it. Something in me screamed NO
I am so glad i did not. I am now 37 yo and I feel like my hormones are as healthy as when I was a teen.. maybe even better  :)  :)  :)

@ CatTreats,
your hormones will heal.. if you do the right stuff! Go with the natural light and dark cycle, also the cold thermogenesis protocol will help your hormones! Swim in natural lakes, rivers, the sea..... tan nude! Super healing for the hormones. Avoid stress at any cost. Stress = Hormone disaster

eat plenty of seafood  :) think beautiful thoughts  :)
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Dr. Mercola on the Disappearing Male - How to Protect
Post by: goodsamaritan on May 29, 2014, 10:40:24 pm
Dr. Mercola comments on the movie: The Disappearing Male

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/08/31/disappearing-male-documentary.aspx (http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/08/31/disappearing-male-documentary.aspx)

Even the Most Vulnerable Are Being Inundated with Gender-Bending Chemicals

Protecting Yourself in a Chemically Driven World


    No one knows what health consequences to this toxic chemical cocktail will cause to an adult, let alone a developing baby. Unfortunately, it is our future generations, and possibly the species as a whole, who will likely pay the heftiest price for this lack of safety concern, as an embryo and fetus develop at a much faster rate than adults.

    While this development occurs, cell division and growth is rapid -- and these rapid changes provide many opportunities for mistakes to occur. It’s clear that boys appear to be at particular risk but, really, no one is safe. I encourage everyone with children or grandchildren to review Theo Colburn's Our Stolen Future, which is one of the BEST resources on this topic. Further, while you make the switch to remove and reduce chemicals around your home, remember that one of the ways to significantly reduce your toxic load is to pay careful attention to what you eat.

    Organically-grown, biodynamic whole foods are really the key to success here, and, as an added bonus, when you eat right, you're also optimizing your body's natural detoxification system, which can help eliminate toxins your body encounters from other sources. Rather than compile an endless list of what you should avoid, it's far easier to focus on what you should do to lead a healthy lifestyle with as minimal a chemical exposure as possible:


Found a youtube video equivalent of that vimeo.
The Disappearing Male Documentary (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTwHVwMY4zQ#)
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats: Homo Transexual Wave Hits US Schools!
Post by: goodsamaritan on May 29, 2014, 11:59:01 pm
Quote
THIS is why Russia passed a law banning the dissemination of homosexual propaganda to children!

HOMO-TRANS SEXUAL WAVE SWEEPS US SCHOOLS!

Take a bow Mr. & Mrs. America! While you were busy chasing dollars, shopping, watching racy TV shows & movies, and worshiping your hometown sports teams, the Marxist Zionist media stole your kids right from under your nose.

Have a look at the abominations below. Keep in mind, that in each case, your kids, the future voters of America, gleefully ELECTED these attention-seeking freaks to be their "Kings & Queens".
 
May God have mercy on America!

http://www.tomatobubble.com/id585.html (http://www.tomatobubble.com/id585.html)

(http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/wcfcourier.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/d/6a/d6ab38c7-b583-5eab-8d8c-f3b0adefe32c/5259bfb4bbabc.preview-620.jpg)
Seems not only is the bakla epidemic happening in the Philippines, it is happening in the USA too.  And seems Americans are noticing it as can be seen in that link above.  With pictures.

Yes there is a problem and let us not "politicize" / "censor" the problem. 

Seems all the chemicals and drugs and food and stress and pollution is catching up to us. 

Pottenger's cats... we are close to the end.

Many of us will have our blood lines exterminated.

(Please do not bring up the idiotic over-population issue.  Because this issue is about YOU and ME, our kids, us personally.)

I sincerely hope this raw paleo diet community will be a beacon of hope and health for the future.  Here's to our children and our future children and grand children.  May we try our very best to uncover more dangers and steer our children away from these threats.

With the increasing % of incompetent males... it seems polygamy will have to save the future... may have to be legalized... the Muslims are taking over Europe... no surprise the Muslims are polygamous.  Maybe the fundamentalist Mormons will have their day in the sun and have their legal and recognized polygamy.  I know there is a Christian Pro-Polygamy movement.

Maybe this time the public will listen and soon.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: sabertooth on May 30, 2014, 04:53:24 am
All in All life will find a way, no matter what! There is no need for humans to intervene in the natural order by trying to cull off its own kind. These actions run contrary to the flow of life and evolution. Our path must be clear of all obstacles which inhibit fertility in order for the process of evolution to be able to lift humanity to full potential. If the prolific increase in population happens, then let it happen without hindrance. It is much preferable that humanity reach 10 billion/plus of fully developed, realized beings who are uncorrupted by the stupification, infertility and overall poor health, that the Malthusians would thrust upon us... than to have a world of lower population where everone of the lower caste are chemically castrated and dumbed down.

Life will find away if nature is allowed to take its course, and with the collective intelligence of over ten billion humans linked together with free access to ever evolving technical advances to pool from, when the time comes for a dramatic shift, we will be much more well equipped to deal with the real threats that may face our future world, than if we cut off the balls of our men and sterilize the women in the name of saving the planet!

Life is prolific and there have been times in the past where organisms became so successful that they caused catastrophic imbalances within the living environment which caused dramtic changes in the climate.... but out of these catastrophic effects "life found its way" and was able to evolve radically in order to adapt to newly emerging conditions.

Let us use the "great oxygenation catastrophe" as an example. The early earth was first inhabited by very primitive  anaerobic bacteria, these organisms flourished for a long time without much evolutionary change, these primitive forms would cycle through blooms and dieoffs in accordance to the environmental rhythms. Then new forms of bacteria emerged which could use a different metabolic process that released oxygen into the atmosphere. Over time the oxygen levels reach the point of toxicity for anaerobic lifeforms, and this triggered a catastrophic dieoff( it was an end of the world apocalyptic event). From the primordial remains of the biomass of dead organisms, new forms of life arouse, more complex  multi cellular structures formed, and beings who could use oxygen began to dominate, these beings eventually evolved into us... Just imagine for a moment if human logic was at work two billion years ago, one could of believed that the world was coming to an end and this overpopulation of oxygen producing organisms were destroying the environment.

The problem with human logic is that it cannot make the connection between mass dieoffs , and the subsequent evolution of new forms of life. Yes there will come a time when humanity may reach its limit and there will be a mass die off. Perhaps it will take out most of the other life forms on this planet with it, or perhaps when the point of crisis is reached, if there is enough awareness among those who are living through that time, then a spontaneous evolution in consciousness may provide the solutions needed to bring about equanimity.

Unless we are allowed to reach that point of Crisis uninhibited by scientific engineering and Malthusian genocide, then capacity for the spirit of life to spaciously evolve an equitable solution, will be greatly reduced. Perhaps the life force is working through those of us who are becoming aware of the imbalances withing our present day world, it is calling us to take the actions necessary to avoid exposures to the irruptive elements being put into our environments,. The signs are everywhere and it is up to other who still are capable of clearly perceiving the obstacles to do everything possible to protect ourselves, develop new ways of living that will give hope for a brighter future
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: goodsamaritan on June 01, 2014, 07:05:18 am
Seems I am not the only one into making original research into the "bakla" and "tomboy" epidemic in my country.

I was in Infanta, Quezon this Friday and Saturday.

Yesterday Saturday I was with friends and they had a practicing mid-wife friend in Infanta and she shared she had an interesting visitor who was asking about contraceptive use in her practice.  How many used birth control pills, injectable depo provera, etc.  And this guy said he was interested to see if the use of these hormonal and chemical methods played a role in the incidence of "bakla" and "tomboy" plague that is happening in our country.

Hmmm... there's a clue.  Maybe I will get lucky to get that guy's number and get in touch with him.

In a related side note, her eldest son is 29 and has a marriage date december.  But she recently found out that her son's bride to be has an ovarian cyst.  She fears she might not have grand children through this betrothed daughter in law.  Told her son that he should get her pregnant first... baby before marriage... to be sure.  Something quite many parents of sons are pushing these days.  Sign of the times.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: goodsamaritan on June 01, 2014, 07:17:38 am
Progress update interviewing our new young maid 18 yrs old who hails from the idyllic mountains of Antique province.

- she has regular acne and bleeds 9 days on her mens
- her liver flushing found many many black liver stones expelled
- if her living conditions, air, water were idyllic, why was she sick at such a young age?

Theory of TV, distribution network of junk food.

- we were on vacation on the beach and maid was asking for money for instant noodles for breakfast.  Everyone in her town ate instant noodles everyday.  Even for lunch.
- other junk foods were eaten regularly, sometimes as lunch "meat" with rice.
- junk foods plus beer.
- softdrinks common.
- meats are intensively farmed fish, intensively farmed chicken, intensively farmed pork.
- every teenager has pimples.

Seems her provincial mountain town was just an urban extension via TV ads.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: goodsamaritan on June 27, 2014, 05:28:44 pm
Ramir, 33 years old today.

His high school class of 55 students

3 out of 30 girls were tomboys

10 out of 25 boys were bakla / homosexual
out of these 10 were 4 silahis (bi-sexual)

Felix School, Cainta, Rizal

Me and my healer friends are putting our brains together regarding this phenomena, maybe soon we will have more educated guesses from them.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: Saris on June 29, 2014, 01:32:47 pm
Homosexuality in humans and animals (although I hate to use that word since you're hard pressed to find Lesbianism on any large scale in animals) is a sort of population control.

And honestly, I don't really care. I like women, if one of my buddies came out as gay... All I could think is .. "More chicks for me" at our next outing.

Life is lonely if someone finds someone who makes them happy... Good.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: Saris on June 29, 2014, 01:37:16 pm
Don't forget vegetarianism... this crap is often in mass media depicted as very positive for health. Sure, might work for some very very few individuals. Or against some certain health issues as a one time treatment, or such. But otherwise... seriously...

Homo Sapiens for most of their existence were vegetarians. We subsisted mostly on vegetation and animal products, but, rarely animal flesh.

Do you really think the Kings of the past just let us go out in the woods and hunt? Ugh, no. Eggs were a prized commodity amongst the peasants.

Veganism on the other hand... is a pretty recent ideal because we have access to synthetic vitamins that are not found in plants or animal products, but, only in the animal flesh itself - B12 is a great example.

Well ... actually that's not totally accurate, you can indeed find B12 in a Vegan diet ... but not much so you really, really have to do a ton of work.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: Saris on June 29, 2014, 01:41:31 pm

I remember when I was in Jail we were given personal care packs with toothpaste, deodorant, soap and shampoo.... every single item was loaded with Triclosan. The majority of the meat served in jail was processed hormone fed turkey. The schools are just as bad with antibacterial soap and GMO soy based lunch menus. It would seem that there is a deliberate attempt to hormonally cull large segments of the population.                                                                                                       

Criminals, serious criminals, should not have children. That's my opinion. Violent criminals, rapists, pedophiles etc etc.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: Saris on June 29, 2014, 01:45:17 pm
Absent father?
Some young men just need to be introduced to willing girls to get them started.
I coached my younger brother beginning 12 yrs old and lent him my apartment every time he needed it by the time he was 17.
Im older by 11 yrs and guided him all the way.
Even now... i ask if he's getting enough sex from his wife...

That's... pretty... disturbing.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution - Use of birth control pills while pregnant!
Post by: Saris on June 29, 2014, 01:48:23 pm
If the boy had a real father, and he noticed his son was getting antsy about not getting laid, father should have given him a couple of chicks so he could let off steam.  It's not something mothers or grandmothers can do.  Only fathers / grandfathers and concerned or elder brothers should be giving chicks if the boy just needed it so bad.

I have an Australian friend who was introduced to girls by his elder brother.  Then his father took him on a trip to Angeles city and let him loose.  He turned out quite okay now that he is in his 50s.

Must investigate those who were conceived despite the use of birth control pills.  US FDA website says 10% per year is the failure rate of birth control pills.  Quite a large number of pregnancies that way it seems.  THIS IS BIG!!! (I'm betting no drug company wants to make this study playing with human lives.)


( ... and a big horde of guilty women and docs who will say that this does not affect the baby... DOES SO! )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auv6c0-FsjU# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auv6c0-FsjU#)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/01/contraception-video-men-homosexuality-birth-control-_n_1930057.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/01/contraception-video-men-homosexuality-birth-control-_n_1930057.html)

Contraception Video, Produced By Children Of Mary Order, Links Homosexuality With Birth Control
Posted: 10/01/2012

HOLY SHIT.  The study with the Alpha Male Chimp and his female chimps... injected with depo provera... at the very start of the video.
You must watch the first 2 minutes above!

More about that study: http://www.religiondispatches.org/dispatches/sarahmoricebrubaker/6444/print (http://www.religiondispatches.org/dispatches/sarahmoricebrubaker/6444/print)

See also: http://www.hausvater.org/book-reviews/153-darwinism-contraception-and-the-decline-of-manhood.html (http://www.hausvater.org/book-reviews/153-darwinism-contraception-and-the-decline-of-manhood.html)

Search google for "homosexual birth control pill"... lots of people are concerned!

https://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=homosexual+birth+control+pill&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 (https://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=homosexual+birth+control+pill&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8)

What's wrong with you? - You think we need more people? Really? Look at the state of the world. We need LESS people, not more.

Contraception may have it's downsides, but, it is ultimately a means to an end. The Human population is out of control, we add another billion in less than a decade. We can't go on like that.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: goodsamaritan on June 29, 2014, 03:05:22 pm
What's wrong with you? - You think we need more people? Really? Look at the state of the world. We need LESS people, not more.

Contraception may have it's downsides, but, it is ultimately a means to an end. The Human population is out of control, we add another billion in less than a decade. We can't go on like that.


What is wrong with YOU?

I am an altruistic computer geek who supports this forum to benefit all of humanity who wants to learn about raw paleo diets and lifestyles that improves everyone's lives... which of course includes their total health and fertility.

If I thought like you... I would have long sabotaged this forum to destroy information here so that no one would benefit... because most of humanity deserves to die according to your over population religion.

Some ALTRUISTIC people like me need to do this INVESTIGATION at the behest of people like YOU who wish the TRUTH to be buried in the name of depopulation.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: TylerDurden on June 29, 2014, 03:15:10 pm
Hmm, arguably, the reason for the overpopulation has been the fact that people in developed countries were so destitute that giving birth was the only thing left to them. Once people became healthier and wealthier, the need for dozens of children vanishes, plus with extra health/wealth, children are far less likely to die so there is no point in having lots of children any more.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: TylerDurden on June 29, 2014, 03:33:46 pm
Criminals, serious criminals, should not have children. That's my opinion. Violent criminals, rapists, pedophiles etc etc.

  I recall one conspiracy theory in which palestinian men were supposed to have been en-masse imprisoned on spurious grounds and then  exposed to radiation in Israeli jails in order to stop Palestinians in general from having more children. No idea if it is true or not re evidence, though current, overly harsh  Israeli customs towards non-Jews  would suggest that it is true.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: eveheart on June 29, 2014, 11:27:38 pm
What's wrong with you? - You think we need more people? Really? Look at the state of the world. We need LESS people, not more.

Contraception may have it's downsides, but, it is ultimately a means to an end. The Human population is out of control, we add another billion in less than a decade. We can't go on like that.

I live in a culture where limiting family size is considered highly virtuous, but that does not make me qualified to dictate what other cultures do. Nothing is wrong with people who hold different opinions and follow different practices. Insulting others does not make you right.

Human population is not "out of control." The population of all plant and animal species waxes and wanes. As much as our super-technological age wants to believe that it can engineer everything, natural forces will prove our folly.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: colorles on June 30, 2014, 12:07:55 am
you know i have conversations on this subject matter with a friend from time to time, in every time the key issue we seem to disagree on, is the notion that people can be 'turned' gay, either through propaganda, hormonal tinkering through food, or both. he seems to believe that people are just born gay, and/or the people that simply choose to act "camp" or "flamboyant" or whatever you want to say, are just doing so because it is "enlightening" or "progressive" or whatever. he is quite a bit more liberal than i am, although not beyond all logic

while i would agree with him that maybe a very small percentage of human population could be born gay, ie with gender switched minds ( and these sorts of people are generally the kind of people that you would never guess are gay, and are generally cool, understanding people)...the vast majority of the homosexual community we see today are just confused, hormonally messed up unstable people. propaganda on subject populations is very powerful, and its nothing new as anybody that has lived to witness the difference between the German Reich and the Weimar Republic would tell you (i'm not that old, but lets just say homosexualality and all around depravity, as well as drug use and std's, skyrocketed in the weimar times). let alone the effects adverse foods/poisons  can have on hormones. actually the connections are evident through the last few thousand year hisotory of civilizations ie the more materialistic/depraved/currupt civilizations are generally the most rampant homosexual and socially confused, while the more natural tribal settings of people, homosexuality is generally unheard off. compare the depravity in the latter stages of the Roman Empire for instance, with the tribal lifestyles of Germania, and anybody should be able to note the difference. the connections are evident: the more greedy, currupt, and depraved a society, the rise in homosexuality, "modern art", pornography, std's, drug use, and all around social decay



as to overpopulation, while there is much i could say about it and the notion of artificial overpopulation, and what it means (ie the more resilient groups of people being bred out in favor of the easier to control slave masses, do to internationalist social policies), it is important to remember that without the artificial enabling of such overpopulation, the world population would regulate itself rather nicely, in the natural way. we'l see what happens, ie whether or not these artificial overpopulation methods can continue to hold off of the will of nature
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: TylerDurden on June 30, 2014, 01:34:24 am
Hmm,, native american tribes had extensive homosexuality in them.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: goodsamaritan on June 30, 2014, 01:49:04 am
Hmm,, native american tribes had extensive homosexuality in them.

That sounds like a good lead.  Please post links to articles on this.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: TylerDurden on June 30, 2014, 05:26:21 am
That sounds like a good lead.  Please post links to articles on this.
  http://www.firstpeople.us/articles/the-two-spirit-people-of-indigenous-north-americans.html (http://www.firstpeople.us/articles/the-two-spirit-people-of-indigenous-north-americans.html)
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: goodsamaritan on June 30, 2014, 07:17:23 am
  http://www.firstpeople.us/articles/the-two-spirit-people-of-indigenous-north-americans.html (http://www.firstpeople.us/articles/the-two-spirit-people-of-indigenous-north-americans.html)

Amazing find!

These American Indian 2 spirit people seem to be like what Filipinos today.
Although it requires further investigation if this was more common before the Europeans arrived.
So we can directly compare the American Indian with the opposite extreme, the isolated African tribes... who had no idea of homosexuality or androgyny.

But again as you can see there is a difference in RACE.  The isolated African tribes were black.  While these american indians are RED skins.

Interesting please contribute more links if you have any.

Seems the keyword for american indian homosexuality is "two spirits"
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: colorles on June 30, 2014, 07:35:44 am
these "two spirit" native american peoples, are not the same as the cultural "rainbow" homosexuality we see today though. they sound more or less just like well rounded people that do not mold themselves to any set gender role; on the contrary modern homosexual culture is just that, a culture, one of depravity and self destruction. they do not compare

and either way, just because some tribes exhibited "two spirit" tendencies, does not validate the modern homosexual culture and its depravity and self destructive ways. and while you are not using it as such, it is the kind of thing that could be used as propaganda to convince subject people that the modern homosexual culture is "natural" on the grounds that some tribes were not so rigid in gender roles (which isn't a bad thing)

we have to be willing to make that distinction; otherwise its like saying modern humans should eat a harmful, genetically modified version of a food, because other humans once ate said food in its natural form ages ago 
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: sabertooth on June 30, 2014, 07:48:39 am
The greeks may have had the two spirit tendency, which is expressed in the mythology regarding the origin of love.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zU3U7E1Odc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zU3U7E1Odc)
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: Cristaraw on June 30, 2014, 01:06:57 pm
I live in a culture where limiting family size is considered highly virtuous, but that does not make me qualified to dictate what other cultures do. Nothing is wrong with people who hold different opinions and follow different practices. Insulting others does not make you right.

Human population is not "out of control." The population of all plant and animal species waxes and wanes. As much as our super-technological age wants to believe that it can engineer everything, natural forces will prove our folly.

1. Right is right just as 2x2 = 4.

2. Yes it is, we add about 1 billion human beings per decade now. - How much food does each animal we eat consume? Now compare that food to what could be used to feed the humans. The Human population is not out of control? The math says otherwise.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: Cristaraw on June 30, 2014, 01:09:16 pm
these "two spirit" native american peoples, are not the same as the cultural "rainbow" homosexuality we see today though. they sound more or less just like well rounded people that do not mold themselves to any set gender role; on the contrary modern homosexual culture is just that, a culture, one of depravity and self destruction. they do not compare

and either way, just because some tribes exhibited "two spirit" tendencies, does not validate the modern homosexual culture and its depravity and self destructive ways. and while you are not using it as such, it is the kind of thing that could be used as propaganda to convince subject people that the modern homosexual culture is "natural" on the grounds that some tribes were not so rigid in gender roles (which isn't a bad thing)

we have to be willing to make that distinction; otherwise its like saying modern humans should eat a harmful, genetically modified version of a food, because other humans once ate said food in its natural form ages ago

Stupid argument. Homosexuality is not "new" or "scientifically" designed. Homosexual humans have been around since the dawn of our species, we inherited it from the Bonobos most likely.

More chicks for me (I'm a male by the way) that's how I see it.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: Cristaraw on June 30, 2014, 01:10:39 pm
Amazing find!

These American Indian 2 spirit people seem to be like what Filipinos today.
Although it requires further investigation if this was more common before the Europeans arrived.
So we can directly compare the American Indian with the opposite extreme, the isolated African tribes... who had no idea of homosexuality or androgyny.

But again as you can see there is a difference in RACE.  The isolated African tribes were black.  While these american indians are RED skins.

Interesting please contribute more links if you have any.

Seems the keyword for american indian homosexuality is "two spirits"

Wrong.

Homosexuality was well documented in writings and the oral traditions of both the Malinese and Axumite empires. African.

Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: Cristaraw on June 30, 2014, 01:13:57 pm
You know... I hate to say this but I think the early psychologists were right. People that fear homosexuals to an eccentric degree are probably trying to repress some sort of homosexual feelings within themselves.

Like I said, if I was going to the bar with 4 gay men... That would mean no competition from them. What's not to like about that?

What do I care if Gary wants to date Jeff, good for them.

I'm focused on Cindy. :)
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: Cristaraw on June 30, 2014, 01:22:24 pm
What is wrong with YOU?

I am an altruistic computer geek who supports this forum to benefit all of humanity who wants to learn about raw paleo diets and lifestyles that improves everyone's lives... which of course includes their total health and fertility.

If I thought like you... I would have long sabotaged this forum to destroy information here so that no one would benefit... because most of humanity deserves to die according to your over population religion.

Some ALTRUISTIC people like me need to do this INVESTIGATION at the behest of people like YOU who wish the TRUTH to be buried in the name of depopulation.

1. Nothing, I can count.

2. Possibly, you're a computer geek. Not a medical geek.

3. No one has to die, we have contraception, media and social shame.

4. Altruistic, I'm sure you are. Honestly. But, 20,000 humans die per day from starvation ... that's a fact and that fact is expanding.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: goodsamaritan on June 30, 2014, 02:35:11 pm
Such a dismissive temper.
You should read this thread in its entirety.
If this thread does not suite your political inclination because you would like to decimate humanity and you have nothing to contribute, then go play in some other thread.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: TylerDurden on June 30, 2014, 03:07:09 pm
these "two spirit" native american peoples, are not the same as the cultural "rainbow" homosexuality we see today though. they sound more or less just like well rounded people that do not mold themselves to any set gender role; on the contrary modern homosexual culture is just that, a culture, one of depravity and self destruction. they do not compare
This is partly true, though it seems that some of the two spirit people were indeed homosexual, as opposed to just being tomboys or metrosexual types.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: TylerDurden on June 30, 2014, 03:09:55 pm
Stupid argument. Homosexuality is not "new" or "scientifically" designed. Homosexual humans have been around since the dawn of our species, we inherited it from the Bonobos most likely.

Current scientific evidence shows that we are descended from the common ancestor of the common chimpanzee, not bonobos. Makes sense as bonobos are way too peaceful and friendly compared to standard chimpanzees.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: TylerDurden on June 30, 2014, 03:15:28 pm
You know... I hate to say this but I think the early psychologists were right. People that fear homosexuals to an eccentric degree are probably trying to repress some sort of homosexual feelings within themselves.

Like I said, if I was going to the bar with 4 gay men... That would mean no competition from them. What's not to like about that?

What do I care if Gary wants to date Jeff, good for them.

I'm focused on Cindy. :)

Encouraging homosexuality is hardly a good idea since that would  mean your "Cindy" would therefore be more likely to be a lesbian and therefore unavailable for you. In short, there is a good reason for discrimination against homosexuality, as if everyone did it, populations would ultimately collapse towards zero. I do not approve of gay-bashing, I just mean there is a scientific reason for being disapproving of it.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: Eric on June 30, 2014, 07:15:15 pm
What if homosexual tendencies among men and women are an adaptation to check population size while avoiding mass starvation, war, disease epidemics, etc? Perhaps when population reaches a certain density, something within our genome is activated (or inactivated) and we see an increased incidence of homosexuality, which eventually reduces fertility rates.

Or perhaps there is some sort of social trauma caused by high population densities and the social ills that follow from it that predisposes young men and women to prefer same-sex partners?
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: TylerDurden on June 30, 2014, 08:34:55 pm
I think Eric's first point is correct.  I also think that for one concept to exist, an opposite has to exist to counter it, so that extreme heterosexuality(such as polygamy) is countered by its opposite, homosexuality. Same goes for masculinity/femininity within each gender.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: sabertooth on June 30, 2014, 11:49:12 pm
The hive phenomenon is also something to concider, as human beings live in more and more hive like environments, such as the modern metropolis, the tendency towards metrosexuality becomes greater. I think metrosexuality is an intermediate phase which may eventually lead to a population of a sexual humans who function much in the same way as worker ants. They work to support the colony but forgo the act of reproduction so that they can spend all their energy elsewhere.

In some places this tendency has already caused large portions of the population to become A sexual, this may be happening already in places like Japan, where men of the lower class have given up on dating or reproducing, just as worker ants had done hundreds of millions of years ago.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: Cristaraw on July 01, 2014, 02:30:08 am
Current scientific evidence shows that we are descended from the common ancestor of the common chimpanzee, not bonobos. Makes sense as bonobos are way too peaceful and friendly compared to standard chimpanzees.

Bonobos share the common ancestor of the chimpanzee. We're related to both of them. 
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: Cristaraw on July 01, 2014, 02:32:06 am
What if homosexual tendencies among men and women are an adaptation to check population size while avoiding mass starvation, war, disease epidemics, etc? Perhaps when population reaches a certain density, something within our genome is activated (or inactivated) and we see an increased incidence of homosexuality, which eventually reduces fertility rates.

Or perhaps there is some sort of social trauma caused by high population densities and the social ills that follow from it that predisposes young men and women to prefer same-sex partners?

I've always though that theory number one has merit. Homosexuality may be a sort of natural population control.

But, we also cannot ignore the evidence that we're ingesting a lot, lot more estrogen in our diet and water than we used to and the BPA wasn't helping.

It's also interesting to note that male homosexuality has gone up, Lesbianism however... has stayed relatively stable.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: Eric on July 01, 2014, 03:47:54 am
Quote
...we also cannot ignore the evidence that we're ingesting a lot, lot more estrogen in our diet and water than we used to and the BPA wasn't helping.

True enough. There's also the issue of high sugar diets causing men and women to add fat around their midsections due to insulin resistance. Fat deposited in this area tends to act as an additional endocrine organ, producing excess estrogenic compounds that feminize men and hyper feminize women. Hence the superabundance of men today who have 'man boobs', or the development of breast tissue covering the pectoral muscles.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: TylerDurden on July 01, 2014, 04:03:27 am
Bonobos share the common ancestor of the chimpanzee. We're related to both of them. 
Sorry, I put it badly. What I meant was that we were genetically more similiar to the common chimpanzee than the bonobo. At least that is what I read some time back in a scientific article on the subject.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: colorles on July 01, 2014, 06:48:18 am
The hive phenomenon is also something to concider, as human beings live in more and more hive like environments, such as the modern metropolis, the tendency towards metrosexuality becomes greater. I think metrosexuality is an intermediate phase which may eventually lead to a population of a sexual humans who function much in the same way as worker ants. They work to support the colony but forgo the act of reproduction so that they can spend all their energy elsewhere.

In some places this tendency has already caused large portions of the population to become A sexual, this may be happening already in places like Japan, where men of the lower class have given up on dating or reproducing, just as worker ants had done hundreds of millions of years ago.

this makes sense

of course humans can't reproduce in the same way ants do...but it could work on the premises of replacement ie a subject population lives as non-sustainable "worker ants", while a completely foreign human population continues to breed in excess and thus these excess people are shipped into the countries of the diminishing "worker ants" to replace them. this very thing is happening in western countries as we speak
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - Homo Debate
Post by: JeuneKoq on July 10, 2015, 03:28:49 am
Again that anti-gay bullshit.

Because the American SCOTUS and their propagandist President has prioritized the promotion of homosexuality around the world... given the audacity to have appointed an ambassador solely for the promotion of homosexuality... 
The US government (and some other governments of this world) are not asking people to become gay. They are asking people to be tolerant of gays.

There are still people in America and Europe who are being verbally abused, cast out, assaulted or killed for the only reason of being gay. It happened not so long ago in Belgium. Promoting the acceptance of gays is therefor legitimate, and imperative if one's objective is to prevent hate crimes from happening some more.

As I've explained many times now, homosexuality, total or partial (bi), is natural, and is practiced by many animals. Especially the ones with great social intelligence like us.

Also, you don't become full-on gay because somebody tells you "being gay is great!". It just doesn't work like that.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - Homo Debate
Post by: nummi on July 10, 2015, 05:13:22 am
Again that anti-gay bullshit.
The US government (and some other governments of this world) are not asking people to become gay. They are asking people to be tolerant of gays.

There are still people in America and Europe who are being verbally abused, cast out, assaulted or killed for the only reason of being gay. It happened not so long ago in Belgium. Promoting the acceptance of gays is therefor legitimate, and imperative if one's objective is to prevent hate crimes from happening some more.

As I've explained many times now, homosexuality, total or partial (bi), is natural, and is practiced by many animals. Especially the ones with great social intelligence like us.

Also, you don't become full-on gay because somebody tells you "being gay is great!". It just doesn't work like that.
Not anti-gay, but separative. Showing people that there are only two options, which of course is not true at all. Another thing that separates people into groups that become angry and violent at each other. Since they'll be occupied with this "gay-straight" nonsense, their senses are diverted from important issues, like "why?". Leaving the "bad guys" do to their evil business in peace and unhindered.

Being malformed is also natural. Caused by vitamin-mineral-nutrient deficiencies, toxins, other sources of stress and harm and damage. Humans aren't the only ones subject to such influences, thus humans aren't the only ones who'll exhibit the qualities. But from a survival point of view, in the wild at least, such individuals' line ends with them. Genetically they should all be fine, but their brains are formed wrong in some areas due to deficiencies and harmful influences while in the womb.

But the above isn't the only way to behave and act "gay". There are more possibilities.
It is possible to brainwash someone into acting full-on-gay without the individual being aware of it, coupled with a bad diet. Or indoctrinate one, coupled with a bad diet. So, this "gay/anti-gay" promotion stuff does have an effect both ways, however small or big.

Another thing they are doing with promoting gay stuff and such, is that they are normalizing illness/disorder, thus normalizing not finding causes and reasons, thus normalizing people not thinking and searching for truth, thus keeping people obedient and easily controllable sheep.

It's rather sad that in this world we humans live in, with our potential, we still suffer from such harm that some are "born gay" to various extents.
Certainly nothing to laugh over, so not exactly fitting to this thread, more like the exact opposite of this thread...
"Give us a cry!" thread material...
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - Homo Debate
Post by: JeuneKoq on July 10, 2015, 07:08:06 am
Nummi, your stance on this matter is quite hard to catch: do you believe being gay is an illness?

I see why some people would think so, but the fact is that even animals who live in a pristine, pollution-free environment, eating the most optimal diet, will still display homosexual behavior, partially or totally.

I think the number of "totally" gay animals may have to do with the size of the group they live in. The more individuals there is, the less breeders are needed, the more gays there will be. If a previously gay animal ends up being the last one of his sex among different-sex beings, chances are he will become heterosexual through some sort of hormonal shift for the sake of the survival of his specie.

In a wolf pack, all non-alpha members are gay, and in a state of hormonal numbness, until the Alpha can be challenged. At that point they start producing hormones such as testosterone in higher levels again, and if one wolf (usually the beta) succeeds in taking the place of the alpha male, it becomes heterosexual. That's how they keep from spending all their time killing each other over leadership.

When two young lions who recently left their old pack stumble upon one another, they will form a couple and take part in homosexual acts to strengthen their bond and ensure better protection of one another, until the day they find an old lion to challenge for its lionesses.

Homosexuality is as much a disorder as being left-handed. It's a survival strategy for the individual, the group, and the specie.

Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - Homo Debate
Post by: sabertooth on July 10, 2015, 08:50:49 am
You boys need to get a room!
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - Homo Debate
Post by: goodsamaritan on July 10, 2015, 11:39:16 am
You boys need to get a room!

Yes, we have a thread about homosexuality here http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/off-topic/pottenger%27s-gay-cats-pollution-population-control-propaganda-we-have-arrived/ (http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/off-topic/pottenger%27s-gay-cats-pollution-population-control-propaganda-we-have-arrived/)

I contributed my deep original research there too.  Not the usual propaganda of the imperialists.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: goodsamaritan on July 10, 2015, 02:27:58 pm
Again that anti-gay bullshit.
The US government (and some other governments of this world) are not asking people to become gay. They are asking people to be tolerant of gays.

There are still people in America and Europe who are being verbally abused, cast out, assaulted or killed for the only reason of being gay. It happened not so long ago in Belgium. Promoting the acceptance of gays is therefor legitimate, and imperative if one's objective is to prevent hate crimes from happening some more.

As I've explained many times now, homosexuality, total or partial (bi), is natural, and is practiced by many animals. Especially the ones with great social intelligence like us.

Also, you don't become full-on gay because somebody tells you "being gay is great!". It just doesn't work like that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPf8TUGZAH0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPf8TUGZAH0)

(Bakla comedy bar contest on noon time TV.)

Maybe the experience per country / culture is different.

In my culture / country, homosexual men here have been the funny screaming fags since forever... we have an indigenous word for them: BAKLA. 

Bakla were never in any danger in my culture, not of bodily harm at any time, people don't HATE bakla here, never in my child hood. (I'm 45)

Bakla have always been the owners of beauty parlors and abundant in artistic stuff and on TV and radio.  Funny skits and comedy will have some bakla flair in it.

There was never any indigenous clamour for homo marriage in this country. 

The lobbying for homo marriage is coming from the imperial USA.

What is OBVIOUS to me is Amerikan PROPAGANDA meant to FORCE / cram down people's throats... their homo agenda... it is NOT TOLERANCE.  Not at all. 
(Filipinos have always had BAKLA in our everyday lives... we have TRUE TOLERANCE many generations old... over and above this NEW FOUND RELIGIOUS FERVER for homos of the American Imperialist homo agenda.)
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda: Homo Tyranny
Post by: goodsamaritan on July 10, 2015, 04:41:10 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cQCi4ehXkg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cQCi4ehXkg)

https://youtu.be/8cQCi4ehXkg (https://youtu.be/8cQCi4ehXkg)

Homo tyranny happening now in the USA.  Just as what was explained in the video.
Very sad.
We are not letting our own Supreme Court legislate like that.
Americans are stupid to let their Supreme Court legislate like that.
If they want big changes like that, they should go through the regular process.

The imperialist tyranny of mangling the ENGLISH language... is truly harsh.
In the Philippines on discussion forums I have resorted to writing in our Native Tagalog...
Which obviously allows me to slice through all the ENGLISH bullshit twisting the imperialists had done to destroy that language.
You guys should try it in your own native languages.
See how they corrupted the English language to twist and mess with people's minds.

The really SINISTER thing the imperialists want is the deliberate mis-education of our children with their homo agenda.
See the video.

Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - Homo Debate
Post by: nummi on July 10, 2015, 09:14:58 pm
Nummi, your stance on this matter is quite hard to catch: do you believe being gay is an illness?
A disorder, a malformation. Just like a child due to some issues would grow to have bones not right. Or any physical malformation that is caused by nutrient deficiencies, toxins, nutrient imbalance, stress. All natural in the sense that deficiencies and harmful influences cause issues.

Quote
I see why some people would think so, but the fact is that even animals who live in a pristine, pollution-free environment, eating the most optimal diet, will still display homosexual behavior, partially or totally.
Optimal diet? They might live in the wild. But they (carnivores, omnivores) have to catch food. And they have competition catching food. There will be those who don't get exactly as much as they need. This will cause deficiencies, thus health issues and stress, even end in death.

Wild animals are also much more "primal" and instinctive in their behavior and actions. They cannot think over and find the reasons and causes why they behave and act as they do. With them instincts and base emotions rule. One way or another their "needs" will be carried out (at least keeping organs functioning), whether there will be a resulting child or not. Some also use these acts to show dominance over others.

Saying "animals exhibit same qualities" is not enough. Reasons and causes are relevant, not the acts themselves.

We are humans, they are wild animals. There are similarities but also significant differences. We have our peculiar mind and ability to review ourselves and reasons we are as we are, and consciously correct ourselves. Correct ourselves according to perceived ideals, to get closer and closer to them, whichever those ideals are. They can't do this.

Quote
I think the number of "totally" gay animals may have to do with the size of the group they live in. The more individuals there is, the less breeders are needed, the more gays there will be. If a previously gay animal ends up being the last one of his sex among different-sex beings, chances are he will become heterosexual through some sort of hormonal shift for the sake of the survival of his specie.
The more animals there are the more food they will collectively need. Obviously the strongest or smartest get the best food. The rest will suffer, some might even starve. It's not paradise for them, they don't have everything they need at any given moment.

If a gay turns to be "the last" of his sex, then that means he'll get all the best food. Thus body will heal whatever was wrong. Then hormones and all will be functioning correctly. But if is the last of his sex... what other choice does he have but to turn straight? He's the only male left... and a harem of females.
With humans it's more complex than that. We have our minds and emotions. We can get mentally or emotionally stuck even if nutritionally everything's fine. Not to mention the possibility that the damage done during pregnancy is permanent (though nothing's really permanent, there's always a way, just might not know it or might not have access to it).

Quote
In a wolf pack, all non-alpha members are gay, and in a state of hormonal numbness, until the Alpha can be challenged. At that point they start producing hormones such as testosterone in higher levels again, and if one wolf (usually the beta) succeeds in taking the place of the alpha male, it becomes heterosexual. That's how they keep from spending all their time killing each other over leadership.

When two young lions who recently left their old pack stumble upon one another, they will form a couple and take part in homosexual acts to strengthen their bond and ensure better protection of one another, until the day they find an old lion to challenge for its lionesses.
Yes, not humans.

And interesting that you would concentrate on wild animals, but not talk about humans when this discussion began about humans.

And interesting you would mention only "carnivorous" animals.
Then there are apes, who are omnivorous.
But how about herbivorous animals?
They all have different food sources and different dietary needs. Carnivorous ones have the toughest life in this regard; they have to hunt, or starve and die.

Quote
Homosexuality is as much a disorder as being left-handed. It's a survival strategy for the individual, the group, and the specie.
It can be, but doesn't mean it always is. In case of humans, it is not.
Wild animals need such control, otherwise they'd run out of food to eat and starve to death, as they'd proliferate without stop, thus possibly starve to extinction. So this "gay" function has naturally developed, when population gets too high and nutrition goes down.

We humans don't need gayness. Because we have our peculiar minds. We aren't subject to instincts and base emotions without much self-control like wild animals are. We have the possibility to create for ourselves the conditions where we don't have to suffer the effects of under-nutrition. Male-male and female-female is never as satisfying as male-female. Male-female is whole, as we are not an androgynous species.
To say we humans need it when our population is ridiculously high and getting higher, even with the presence of gays... We are not wild animals, difference is primarily our mind. The reasons that apply to them do not apply to us, because we have better ways, ways more appropriate to our species and our peculiarities.

edit: reading over, there's so many places to add more details, more perspectives... can see well why telepathy would be necessary for species more advanced than us... Can't say much without saying much. Thoughts are short and simple and precise and fast, but to describe them in words...
Or better, more advanced, language.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: sabertooth on July 11, 2015, 04:01:59 am
There have been records of this kind of debate that go back well before roman times, when citizens would complain about the Gays being "too big for their boots". Meaning that over the top homosexuals would loudly and lewdly parade themselves in the streets for all to see.

The problem as I see it, is not a matter of universal acceptance of the multiplicity of human sexual expression and orientation vs. the rigid intolerance of homophobic bigots, as it seems to be portrayed by the media. The problem stem from forces within a conflict oriented global media that is attempting to cram a universal moral consensus down the throats of billions of diverse individuals which make up the human world.

Its impossible for anyone to completely understand the nature of sexuality, enough to judge such maters, under the nearly infinite variables which permeate the zeitgeist of our modern age. Its very well possible that homosexually arises from a number of different conditionalities, some quite natural, while others foisted upon humanity from some sociological imposition or some unnatural biological influences.....though none of this will be debated in the spin zones of the either the bigots or the libertines.

By projecting, polarizing and amplifying this issue beyond the scope of the reality of the situation, I believe that the pro homo media is pushing a predetermined agenda and is not acting like the agents for compassion, tolerance and righteousness, that they are dramatically portraying. While the anti homo faction is equally willfully ignorant of the nature of the issue they are so sure about.

We are social creatures and are susceptible to cultural influence, and who knows for sure to what degree people are being manipulated subconsciously by all the pro Bruce Jenner, transgender bender fluff that is passing for relevant media fodder. Then at the other side of the rainbow there is the hate mongers who have forced millions to repress their sexuality with hellfire and guilt.

This issue is just the tip of the penisburg that is fucking with mans capacity to relate to his ever changing world holistically. Lets stop letting the debate be truncated and castrated and designated, people need to speak from direct experiences, and not hide behind blind ideology.

People who have chosen sides should be able to explain their reasoning, not merely from some abstract pseudo scientific jargon, but from what they see going on in their own community.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: cherimoya_kid on July 11, 2015, 08:08:04 am
Well-said, Saber. I too believe that gayness is based on many factors, some natural, some not so much. Pottenger's Cats showed that poor nutrition is a factor in abnormal sexual behavior, and studies of different animal species shows that homosexual behavior is pretty common in many species. Common sense would tell you that the issue is complex.
Title: Re: Population Control Propaganda - Exporting Homosexual Marriage top Priority
Post by: goodsamaritan on July 16, 2015, 08:13:23 am
In 2015, the US Empire's main imperial edict export is HOMOSEXUAL MARRIAGE... it is an integral part of Population Control / Depopulation... last I remember NSSM 200 has NIGERIA as one of the 13 target countries for depopulation.

“So we are prepared to push this as a policy, not just in Africa but across the world.” -- Linda Thomas-Greenfield

(http://cdn.akamai.thisdaylive.com/0bef99d6-acf5-4e2c-9779-8fa02ba3fcd4/assets/232-Linda-Thomas-Greenfield.jpg?maxwidth=400&maxheight=540)

US: We’ll Compel Nigeria to Accept Same-sex Marriage

http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/us-we-ll-compel-nigeria-to-accept-same-sex-marriage/214644/ (http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/us-we-ll-compel-nigeria-to-accept-same-sex-marriage/214644/)

Read and understand how DOUBLESPEAK or TRIPLE SPEAK is done today in 2015... under the guise of "human rights" or "discrimination" or "gender identity"... all hallmarks of the English Language corruption for their imperial agenda.

I'm just the messenger telling you what the imperial moves are.  What you do to protect yourselves and your family is up to you.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: cherimoya_kid on July 16, 2015, 10:41:58 am
No one cares, Edwin. Most of us think there are already too many humans on the planet.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: goodsamaritan on July 16, 2015, 10:57:19 am
No one cares, Edwin. Most of us think there are already too many humans on the planet.

Bingo! Best admission ever... that the real purpose is depopulation.

This is why the pro homo marriage crowd is anti polygamy marriage because polygamy will create more children.

The young and innocent people don't know this.  The young actually believe in the deceptive slogans... and the FAKE science.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: cherimoya_kid on July 16, 2015, 11:29:23 am
Huh? I'm pro-marriage equality because it isn't going to hurt anything. It has nothing to do with depopulation. If anything, MORE people will be born, because gay/lesbian couples will be more willing to have children because they know they can provide a more stable upbringing as a married couple.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: goodsamaritan on July 16, 2015, 12:23:00 pm
Original research:
Here is a real interview with a real girl who is 24 years old... lets call her "L"

She calls herself a GIRL.

- Her "puppy loves" with boys began at age 12.
- After some 6 puppy loves (kiss on the cheek)... at 17 she got into a serious relationship with a 25 year old man.
- It was serious that she considered marriage, but the man's mother was adamant against "L" and forcibly tore them apart at age 20.
- Heart broken from her first real love of a man... "L" was courted by what she calls a LESBIAN... a woman who looks feminine but acts as the MALE.  So after being heart broken from a man and his mother, she tries out her first lesbian.
- "L" splits up with her first lesbian because she says the Lesbian was too jealous.
- "L" proceeds to have relationships with her first "Butch" and then her 2nd "Butch"
- While with her 3rd female partner, "L" decides to be sexually active with males and gets involved with 1 middle aged male and gets pregnant and has a baby.
- The 2nd Butch stays with "L" until the first year of the baby"... they split up because "L" felt suffocated by the 2nd Butch's jealousy.
- "L" gets a 3rd Butch (softer type) and maintains her relationship with the middle aged male father of her child.
- "L" maintains 2 relationships at the same time... one with a male and one with a female.

"L" calls herself a GIRL because she does not give pleasure to her female lovers, she only receives pleasure, "L" gives pleasure to her male lovers.

"L" says she is more comfortable having sex these days with a female lover because she then is not afraid of the possibility of getting pregnant.  Sex with males is more scary because of the possibility of pregnancy.

Maybe this is called bi-sexual.  In my readings of the book sperm wars.  Bi-sexual is more common.  Exclusive homosexual is very rare... at least during the time the author did his research.

---------

L's best friend is all heterosexual woman and does not socialize with lesbians or butches... L's best friend keeps referring male friends to "L".

----------

L's older sister used to have a female lover, then switched to a live in husband male lover who gave her 3 children split up, then now has a new male lover. She also calls herself a girl.

---------

L's younger sister has both a middle aged male lover and a young butch (female) lover. She also calls herself a girl.

---------

L's father died when she was 18 years old.  He used to be stern against girl on girl.

---------

Some 2 days ago, my 10 year old daughter shared that her best friend has a friend who is also very young who said she wanted to be a lesbian because she did not want to have children.  :o
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: eveheart on July 16, 2015, 01:31:49 pm
GS, I don't see the pro-homosexual U.S. empire that you see. Our Supreme Court has no agenda except to interpret the U.S. Constitution as it applies to U.S. laws. In the case of the ruling in favor of same-sex marriage, the ruling was entered to prohibit exclusion of same-sex couples from the benefits of marriage. Allowing all citizens to enjoy the same rights is a strong component of U.S. philosophy, and it has been this way since the country was founded. Recognizing ways in which the U.S. falls short of its ideals and correcting those shortcomings has been an ongoing process, and I expect that it will continue as we struggle to realize our ideals.

Homosexual people have the same human needs as people who are not homosexual, and these needs include being in various relationships with other humans (committed partner, parent, etc.). Legal recognition of same-sex unions does not "promote" homosexuality or depopulation. Homosexuality is a personal characteristic, regardless of whether society accepts or ostracizes that characteristic.

The idea of ostracizing a class of people is very cruel. I can see no personal benefit that anyone would gain by acting against another group of people. In other words, the U.S. is promoting kindness and goodwill to humankind, not homosexuality.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: goodsamaritan on July 16, 2015, 01:52:45 pm
GS, I don't see the pro-homosexual U.S. empire that you see. Our Supreme Court has no agenda except to interpret the U.S. Constitution as it applies to U.S. laws. In the case of the ruling in favor of same-sex marriage, the ruling was entered to prohibit exclusion of same-sex couples from the benefits of marriage. Allowing all citizens to enjoy the same rights is a strong component of U.S. philosophy, and it has been this way since the country was founded. Recognizing ways in which the U.S. falls short of its ideals and correcting those shortcomings has been an ongoing process, and I expect that it will continue as we struggle to realize our ideals.

Homosexual people have the same human needs as people who are not homosexual, and these needs include being in various relationships with other humans (committed partner, parent, etc.). Legal recognition of same-sex unions does not "promote" homosexuality or depopulation. Homosexuality is a personal characteristic, regardless of whether society accepts or ostracizes that characteristic.

The idea of ostracizing a class of people is very cruel. I can see no personal benefit that anyone would gain by acting against another group of people. In other words, the U.S. is promoting kindness and goodwill to humankind, not homosexuality.

I understand where you are coming from, Eve. 

I will believe those ideals once The Powers That Be legalize polygamy.

And then appoint a special Ambassador for Polygamy.

And then pressure countries to abolish monogamy only laws and allow polygamy.

(http://a.abcnews.com/images/WNT/abc_wn_ninan_131215_mi_wg.jpg)

How about #BigLoveWins next time?

(https://judgmentalobserver.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/biglove-_s4poster_.jpg)
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: eveheart on July 16, 2015, 09:25:54 pm
I will believe those ideals once The Powers That Be legalize polygamy.

Perhaps reform for polygamous union will come.

I fail to see why you don't understand that the issues supporting legal acceptance of same-sex union are the same issues that will support polygamous union. Just as same-sex union existed long before it was legally recognized, so does polygamous union exist now, but without the sanction of legal marriage. Now, after the first wife, subsequent wives are denied the legal protection of marriage.  Now, spousal benefits such as health insurance are denied. Now, upon the death of the husband, only the first wife is recognized by the state and the insurance companies. It was so similar with same-sex unions: spouses were denied their legal status. When you understand this connection, you will be the loudest supporter of the SCOTUS decision.

GS, don't you realize that YOU are the powers that be?
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: goodsamaritan on July 16, 2015, 11:45:57 pm
Eve, I've been following population control propaganda since the mid 1990s.  I joined the Philippines Pro-Life movement in 2004 and literally wrote their website... until 2010... and I'm not even religious... they allowed me to, because I'm just your regular scientific honest truth seeker.

I've known these plans and movements since 2004-2005. We keep track of all the ass-hole bills being filed in our congress.  Mostly photo copies from the empire... same shit they sent to other countries we coordinate with. We also monitored the empire media briefing kits how to write and phrase their propaganda.

I wrote that however we tried to fight the depopulationist powers that be, they will succeed with their plans... the last of this will be the push for homosexuality mainstream and the brainwashing of children... again with completely false science.... every lie is fair game with depopulationists.

All the lies associated with homo marriage is frustrating for parents like me with young children because I will have to give extra effort to combat all the lies from all directions.

I wrote in 2005 that the dark horse that will save the culture of life and family... will be the legalization of polygamy.  It is polygamy that will save the concept of family, having children, conservatism, etc.  But that the Christians will be so blinded with their obsession with monogamy, they cannot see that it is polygamy that is their savior.

And this is why TPTB will fight until forever to suppress polygamy. To stop polygamy from becoming legal... ever.

You may think with the current arguments for homo marriage that polygamy is just around the corner.  I disagree.  Because the legalization of polygamy will save the day for families and destroy the plans of TPTB to dissolve families, stop the depopulation of entire nations.  Polygamy is strong, too strong that TPTB do not want it and will forever try to suppress it.

I will be happily surprised to see the day polygamy becomes officially recognized and given the same respect as "marriage".  Polygamy practiced in the open will put to shame and eclipse the practitioners of other forms of marriage... Polygamy will lead the way, be the guiding light. Polygamy is about serious commitment to family and children. I remember a Muslim lady senator quipping on national TV that their muslim families are stronger and have markedly lower divorce rates even though divorce is legal in their islamic family laws... while the Christian Filipinos have no divorce law.

And I can never forget the Akbar family... husband + 3 wives all running for office in their province, one for mayor, one for congress, one for governor and another I forgot... and they boast on national TV that voting Akbar Akbar Akbar Akbar ensures efficient management of their entire province because if government officials are too busy to meet in the board room, rest assured the Akbars will always meet in the bed room!

Then there are the running jokes among Christian / non-muslim ALPHA Males that the Muslims have it bad... they are limited to only 4 wives! Ha ha ha ha ha... rolling laughter... as Alpha Males in this country have more.

(My exposure to polygamy is via the Muslims in the Philippines who are protected by law to be able to practice their religious family structures with the option of 1,2,3,4 wives... and the Non-Muslim Filipinos who practice polygamy... famous examples are a senator who had 80 kids and a president who had 4 wives... 1 legal and 3 mistresses... out in the open.)
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: eveheart on July 17, 2015, 08:55:40 am
I see the point you are making about these issues in the Philippines, but with the large group of Philippine immigrants living in my area, I fail to find anyone else who shares your views.

Here in the US, California in particular, I see no big push for polygamy. Homosexuals here have no agenda except to form legally-recognized unions and avoid hate-crimes against themselves. There is no public discussion of population control, either pro or con, and people are free to have as few or as many children as they want without any fanfare.

With the laissez-faire attitude towards personal choice that I experience in California, it is hard for me to see the reason for all your posts. People here tend to fraternize with like-minded people, so there is no need to pontificate, and when you do, nobody really listens or changes their mind. It's just a show, and when the show is over, we go home and live our own lives.
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: goodsamaritan on August 28, 2019, 04:22:45 pm
Old thread.

But this YouTube video I stumbled upon seems to fit here

Pottengers Cats - Diet Will Affect Future Generations

https://youtu.be/OvQ5F6GCfgI

Monica Hershaft
Published on Nov 5, 2013

The effects of nutrition and how what you eat affects your children and their children's future generations.

---------

I now wonder generationally where we are.

Can we ever recover?  Cats took 4 generations of strict raw diets to recover completely.

Can we somehow make an edict to our descendants to eat raw consistently?

How wonderful would our recovered descendants be like?
Title: Re: Pottenger's Gay Cats, Pollution, Population Control Propaganda - We have arrived
Post by: surfsteve on August 29, 2019, 09:45:58 pm
I watched a similar video years ago. It was told to me that this was because cooking food got rid of all the taurine in it which is now added to all cat food. Cats can not make their own taurine just as humans can not make their own vitamin C. Not sure if I believe it though.