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Title: Sorentus' Journal
Post by: Sorentus on February 20, 2014, 07:11:28 am
Hi I just joined and been on RZ for 4 days now, I figured that if I wanted to give the best chance to heal i should put on a journal.
Bit of background: I used to workout 3 times a week and was healthy at 160pounds then 9 months ago I started becoming really sick, bloated,constipation, with lots of food intolerance. Then within a month I became really fatigued and just wanted to crash all day until I was too tired to work out anymore and now I am bed-ridden. I was told to cut out gluten by my MD who has since passed out. Eventually it helped but then it got worse and then i tried all kinds of diet SCD/GAPS/4-Day rotation/Elemental diet/Elimination diet. some gave relief but it never lasted. Things just went severely down hill leading me into CFS and all sort of problem that no medical doctor and hospitalization helped for. So now I am trying Raw paleo as a last chance, if this doesn't work I don't see anything that will.
The diet so far: I am eating frozen grass-fed bed consisting of grounded beef/pork/lamb. I been on it for 4 days, I had about 1pound the first day and and became very bloated. Then I kept on it for 2 days, grounded beef/pork/lamb. The problem is I feet extremely worse then I ever had, congested from all over my body, liver, stomach, intestines. the only thing that surprise me is that despite feeling so bloated, I didn't look pregnant. Usually I would feel all my intestine's veins and my belly would look all inflamed like it's about to explode but despite feeling congested, my belly was extremely flat.
After 2 days in, I had to do a colon cleanse with magnesium as it got too bad. Yesterday,I decided to fast from 2:30pm till 1:00pm today, I had some duck eggs with honey, not sure if pasture-fed though. I usually do very bad with chicken eggs but I figured maybe raw and from duck I wouldn't get a reaction. But I started to look pregnant again, not sure if it's my body adjusting as I didn't get the same reaction then chicken egg, just that I looked pregnant and it worried me(Here is what it looks like http://oi58.tinypic.com/2v2zfck.jpg (http://oi58.tinypic.com/2v2zfck.jpg)). I followed with lamb with honey at 3:30pm I mix it with honey because I get constipated and clogged ever since on the diet, so I figure honey will ease things through (digestion,clogged and constipation).
I will keep on posting as I go through, I also got myself some organic fermented green cabbage and carrot, haven't eat them yet. I tried fermenting them myself but since I never ate it before, I had no way to know if mine were good.For now I'm waiting for my belly to reestablish itself. I'll stick to meat and honey till it's fine again. I have some fresh never frozen grass-fed meat in cubes that I will go to high meat for as long as possible. I am hoping to get as much beneficial bacteria as I can to help my immune system and gut.
Title: Re: Sorentus' Journal
Post by: Sorentus on February 22, 2014, 04:02:53 am
Day 4 and 5: Had to take magnesium again as meat constipate me so badly, I just CANNOT get a bowel movement eating meat. I had aged lamb with honey and then beef with honey later on. I was using honey to tolerate the aged thawed ground meat, I guess I'll have to ditch honey for now as it create digestive issue if I eat it on its on but then again so does meat. Then this morning, I had fresh 2 day aged ground beef and the taste was fine so I didn't take honey with it but then I tried later on with honey and got slight stomach discomfort, my main concern right now is my intestine are still EXTREMELY clogged it's bad I have absolutely no energy and constipation.
I have some high meat at room temperature in the making, it should probably take about 2 weeks to get good enough and I am looking forward finishing my sauerkraut to add some beneficial bacteria.
I don't really know what to do at this point, fermented veggie seems like all I can tolerate and meat in small portions (I think my body might not be able to process all of that protein) I have some duck fat but no clue if pasture-fed or even raw. The best fresh meat I can get is grass-fed beef but it has little fat, I can get fatty pork but its frozen and pork has a bad rep.
Title: Re: Sorentus' Journal
Post by: nummi on February 22, 2014, 04:53:39 am
It takes some time for bowels to adapt. It's normal that in the beginning it feels too slow and as if clogged. I had the same. But I also kept this in mind - that there is an adaptation period. It's best to take it slowly in the beginning, to not overload your digestive system with something it cannot yet quite handle. It can take many months to fully adapt. The honey that came three days ago, for the first two days I ate quite a bit of it and now I have no appetite for it. If you put it into your mouth and there's this "opposition" then don't eat it for a time. There's also the "craving", or something similar, but that's not entirely trustworthy... best to say, if you crave something that is okay by raw standards then eat it. If not look into the food item, the nutrients, and consider why would your body want it, and replace it with a real food, or foods, that is close in nutrients. Just take it slowly. One is what you eat, the other is stress caused by seeing how things are at a moment. Stress can mess up everything. So you can end up trying to fix something that is actually not caused by diet at all. Although stress is not an issue if you are aware of the mind's touch.
Haven't made high meat myself yet. My meat just won't last that long. But some of the pictures I've seen here do look tasty.
Title: Re: Sorentus' Journal
Post by: eveheart on February 22, 2014, 05:55:21 am
I was told to cut out gluten by my MD who has since passed out. Eventually it helped but then it got worse and then i tried all kinds of diet SCD/GAPS/4-Day rotation/Elemental diet/Elimination diet.
I'm so sorry to hear about your discomfort. You have not used the word celiac, but everything you say has that sound. I was in the same boat. I read that it can take a minimum of 6 months for the gut to heal from one single ingestion of gluten, so RPD is a natural diet because it is both healing and absolutely gluten free. That information about "6-months" is very helpful if you are tempted to cheat. I picture the insides of my colon slashed with a razor blade if I think that some food might be okay, because hidden gluten is in many prepared foods.
Another thing that helped me was to find a good brand of probiotics. Good for someone else may not be good for you, to experiment with brands if you decide to go that route.
Best wishes for steady healing.
Title: Re: Sorentus' Journal
Post by: Sorentus on February 22, 2014, 06:35:31 am
I was tested for celiac, it was negative, I was 3 months gluten free, calling companies and all to make sure I wasn't ingesting any particle of gluten and my health just went incredibly downhill. It eventually got better when I was eating only soups for a week(that soup had barley(gluten) and I was getting better)then I introduced more food, it lasted a month. I eventually cut the barley of the soup and keeping the food I could tolerate but I started becoming intolerant to everything bit by bit again.
Basically my body become intolerant to every food I eat, how can one go from exercise 3 times a day with amazing health to bed ridden in 3 months followed by 6 months of worsening, I do not know. I read people cutting gluten out , dairy out and taking months/years to go downhill again, in my case it only took weeks before I declined severely. I barely had time to cut something out and recover to getting bed ridden again.
I tried SBO probiotic(Prescript-Assist), they constipate me even in low amount and get me gas, I was considering getting RAW Probiotics Ultimate Care which has 34 strains but I wonder if that's not going to be another 50$ that just end up harming my health more.
I was going to get a Fecal Transplant from my friend who has a bad diet but show no health problem but now he has diarrhea...
Title: Re: Sorentus' Journal
Post by: 24isours on February 22, 2014, 07:23:21 am
Try adding some sea salt into your diet, it may help with the constipation and gas. It will aid in digestion by helping your body create stomach acid. Be sure to drink plenty of water as well.
Title: Re: Sorentus' Journal
Post by: eveheart on February 22, 2014, 08:10:35 am
I was tested for celiac, it was negative, I was 3 months gluten free, calling companies and all to make sure I wasn't ingesting any particle of gluten and my health just went incredibly downhill.
Celiac disease blood tests detect antibodies to gluten, so you are supposed to eat a lot of gluten prior to testing. If you were 3 months gluten-free, the test would not be conclusive.
Personally, I never got the test because I'd been gluten-free for so long that I didn't want to get sick just to prove something with a blood test.
Title: Re: Sorentus' Journal
Post by: Sorentus on February 22, 2014, 09:06:39 am
Celiac disease blood tests detect antibodies to gluten, so you are supposed to eat a lot of gluten prior to testing. If you were 3 months gluten-free, the test would not be conclusive.
Personally, I never got the test because I'd been gluten-free for so long that I didn't want to get sick just to prove something with a blood test.
They made me eat gluten for a while before tested me for it and when I had it it wasn't any worse then any other grain, it was bad but just like the grain intolerance was. Yeah celiac been ruled out with 100% accuracy.
Title: Re: Sorentus' Journal
Post by: Sorentus on February 25, 2014, 12:13:33 am
Day 6: I was having pork with 2 TBS of raw honey although initially honey was giving me some digestive difficulty, my body has adopted to a stronger portion but I feel it might contribute to making me look pregnant(bloated). I definitively do not look as bad as when I would eat my past diet but looking pregnant after every meal make me feel miserable as I am already very skinny and if I look bloated from eating a particular food then surely I must not be healing.
Day 7: Ground beef by itself then fermented carrot then beef again, finished by lamb. I wasn't looking bloated much so I added honey and I feel it made me look somewhat bloated so I will definitively cut it out for at least 3 days now to make sure then slowly reintroduce it. Maybe my honey isn't as raw as it claims to be, I am awaiting my delivery of raw really fermented honey.
Day 8 Morning: I had the rest of my lamb for breakfast and started feeling really clogged with intestinal spasms, so I went back to bed and I had my very FIRST natural bowel movement since going raw paleo, it wasn't a lot but it was there, so maybe my microbiota is slowly adapting to raw paleo. Can't wait to try high meat when it's ready and see if it help.
All in all, I still feel clogged, gets digestive pain and I feel lethargic, no energy what so ever, but my health is critical and I have insane healing to do, so only time will tell.
Title: Re: Sorentus' Journal
Post by: Celeste on February 26, 2014, 01:04:14 am
I also recently had been experimenting with honey with my meat. I would get so sleepy after a meal. Also found while using it my gums would bleed a lot while brushing my teeth. While I don't think it is conclusive I just decided to experiment the other direction awhile and not use it. Also, do you usually use frozen meat? I'm thinking the fresh would be better. Hope you are feeling better soon!
Title: Re: Sorentus' Journal
Post by: Sorentus on February 26, 2014, 01:07:44 am
Well yesterday I did completely no honey, I didn't look as bloated but then I had spasms after my 3rd meal and no bowel movement again feeling super clogged. So I decided to add 2 TBS with each meal starting today, I am still not so sure that it contribute to making me look bloated, I think I might be over scared about it, I will keep with the honey for now as it as a shooting effect on my gut and helps with the spasms and feeling clogged. This is some local "unpasteurized" honey, once I receive my really raw fermented honey, it should have an even better impact.
Title: Re: Sorentus' Journal
Post by: eveheart on February 26, 2014, 02:04:45 am
[You wrote this in another thread] I must be very special then, same happens with eggs, cooked fish, cooked vegetables(unsure about raw yet), dairy, grains and just about any food that I eat for more then 2 weeks in a row.
There's a clue! People who trigger negative responses to foods are often advised to vary their diet daily, not repeating a food without letting at least three days pass since the last time the food has been eaten. Rotate your foods - beef, lamb, fish, eggs, oysters, etc - there are plenty of choices so that you don't have to repeat that often. And if one food is a strong trigger, eliminate it for a while and then add it back into the rotation every once in a while as a test. This is standard procedure in elimination diets... once you find a safe food, don't eat it every day.
Title: Re: Sorentus' Journal
Post by: Sorentus on February 26, 2014, 02:26:10 am
There's a clue! People who trigger negative responses to foods are often advised to vary their diet daily, not repeating a food without letting at least three days pass since the last time the food has been eaten. Rotate your foods - beef, lamb, fish, eggs, oysters, etc - there are plenty of choices so that you don't have to repeat that often. And if one food is a strong trigger, eliminate it for a while and then add it back into the rotation every once in a while as a test. This is standard procedure in elimination diets... once you find a safe food, don't eat it every day.
Well I could do raw eggs possibly although very expansive and I could do lamb and beef but I found out my pork is being fed some grain, not only grain but it has some. I also wanted to avoid frozen meat and I can only get lamb in it's frozen form, I was going to do ground beef all week with suet and liver and hearth every other day with fermented honey and fermented cabbage. So either I do FRESH ground beef every day or rotate and get frozen food. Hopefully my 40 hookworms start working soon and I don't get food intolerant, I'm going to add an extra 50-60 in 2months.
So far I haven't develop a food intolerance from beef that i know of, I think eating lots of microbes(fermented food) helps a bit toward being immune system and not get food intolerance.
Title: Re: Sorentus' Journal
Post by: Sorentus on March 06, 2014, 01:01:23 am
Well it has been 2 weeks and a half and I still CANNOT have a bowel movement without magnesium, I still have colon, coccyx, intestine and abdominal spasms, pretty much my whole body is spasming. I can't help to think that natural selection would have killed me LONG ago, as yuri said "If you can live of raw meat and fat then you won't be able to make it"
I wouldn't be able to poop without magnesium so if I was in the jungle left to my own I would die of constipation. I'm still going through to diet because well every other diet failed me and my intestines aren't burning so it's that.
Yeh, my only hope there is that suet will help keep things moving but doubtful.
I'm considering eating most of my meal as high as I can although this take a very long time, will high meat work from frozen ribs? I don't care for the taste, my only concerns are the health benefits. I would eat dog poop for the rest of my life if it would stop all those spasms.
Oh and I tried adding some salt, doesn't make me feel good but I crave the taste, now that's irrelevant because I crave everything.
Title: Re: Sorentus' Journal
Post by: Sorentus on March 08, 2014, 04:55:51 am
3 weeks on raw paleo:
Well I'm going back to synthetic formulas, after almost 3 weeks on raw paleo, I can no longer digest meat. At first I had a really hard time but coming from a total food intolerance, I expected my body to adapt. Adding honey helped tremendously but it only worked up to a point, at this point, I cannot digest any meat anymore without having unbearable spasms all over my digestive system. I feel as tired as ever, doesn't matter if it's frozen or fresh or beef, pork, lamb, wild game, I tried all the combination and they all do the same.
I will receive my suet next week and I'm hoping to be able to at least eat that, which hearing how suet is hard to digest I doubt I'll be able to.
I can barely digest fruits now which is the only thing that never gave me a severe food reaction beside bloating from too much fiber. So I have no more choice but to eat synthetic amino acid powder for protein, honey for some fuel and low fiber fruits for actual food. There is no source of fat that I can tolerate properly, no ghee, coconut oil or anything anymore, I did well on them but as usual, over time I can no longer tolerate it.
Despite the uncontrollable hunger feeling that never leaves me that is worse then any drug addiction, I must limit my food intake to an amount that will allow me to survive rather then satiety as I just cannot digest anything in a normal amount anymore.
I've read everything there is no read about the gut, the old friend hypothesis and then raw paleo and how we evolved. I did 1 FMT, helminthic therapy and went raw paleo and I'm as worst as ever. There is no way in nature that I would ever have survived as I would have died of my illness long ago from digestive issues and inability to poop without unnatural methods. Nature has failed me and natural selection should have killed me long ago, it's only normal that I stop following mother earth natural course as going like this no longer bearable.
I will be receiving 15 pound of fresh trim that I plan to age for a few months before attempting to eat it, hoping that I can potentially live of the nastiest rotten crap on earth as it's the only thing left I could potentially digest beside amino acids powder, raw honey and minimum fruits.
Title: Re: Sorentus' Journal
Post by: van on March 08, 2014, 05:32:04 am
Sorentus, I've never done this before, and don't feel exactly qualified, what ever that might mean, but I'd be willing to speak with you on the phone several times to see If I might be able to 'guide' you a bit,, at least maybe pull some weeds. I think I have low cost calling to Canada, of which I could find out on Tuesday when my assistant come back... Not promising anything, but it reads like you could use a little help. Up to you, but I would be willing to offer a few phone calls worth, and of course I wouldn't charge or expect anything in return. Van
Title: Re: Sorentus' Journal
Post by: jessica on March 08, 2014, 05:37:37 am
Sorrentus that's sad brother! There is a reason you are here on this planet and it is not to suffer, its to learn, you just got some really interesting issues. I think you may have just jumped into this life with something to prove, that you are strong and can heal, and that is your challenge. Everything is part of mother nature. No matter how we feel we have deviated. Humans are nature and everyhting we create is nature, there is nothing else out there!
Does the animo acid formula you are taking contain vitamins and minerals? I really hope you consider investing some time into looking at different deficiencies in regards to all of your digestive issues and such. It may be very wise for you to supplement since your ability to digest is so compromised.
Also are you seeking any help other wise? Do you have supportive people to talk to in real life about your health issues?
Title: Re: Sorentus' Journal
Post by: Sorentus on March 08, 2014, 07:19:54 am
Sorrentus that's sad brother! There is a reason you are here on this planet and it is not to suffer, its to learn, you just got some really interesting issues. I think you may have just jumped into this life with something to prove, that you are strong and can heal, and that is your challenge. Everything is part of mother nature. No matter how we feel we have deviated. Humans are nature and everyhting we create is nature, there is nothing else out there!
Does the animo acid formula you are taking contain vitamins and minerals? I really hope you consider investing some time into looking at different deficiencies in regards to all of your digestive issues and such. It may be very wise for you to supplement since your ability to digest is so compromised.
Also are you seeking any help other wise? Do you have supportive people to talk to in real life about your health issues?
I have multi vitamin and mineral capsules and I really like the idea of blended egg shell for calcium which I did once. And my potassium is in fruits and I have magnesium citrate that I take often for bowel movement anyway so I'm likely not deficient in magnesium.
I hate to make myself sound miserable but no, I have no one to listen to me, sure I have family but they always act the same way. They believe that saturated fat and cholesterol is evil and that the doctors who gave up on me will fix me, when I mention fecal transplant they are like "where the hell did you get this idea from, there no way this can be good for you". Other tell me it's stress or gluten and other just say "meh you'll figure it out and other just say "eh, sucks" and my dad just get pissed at me for being sick and call me weak.
I too feel like I was there to prove something and that somehow after all this, that there must be really something good about it, but it has come to the point where I have no more energy and lost hope and i just wanna fall asleep and never wake up.
Sorentus, I've never done this before, and don't feel exactly qualified, what ever that might mean, but I'd be willing to speak with you on the phone several times to see If I might be able to 'guide' you a bit,, at least maybe pull some weeds. I think I have low cost calling to Canada, of which I could find out on Tuesday when my assistant come back... Not promising anything, but it reads like you could use a little help. Up to you, but I would be willing to offer a few phone calls worth, and of course I wouldn't charge or expect anything in return. Van
I really appreciate both you and Jessica's support. I would be more then willing to have a call conversation with you, if it is possible for you then you can always pm me and I'll give you my contact informations, I could always do skype if you can too, tyvm.
Title: Re: Sorentus' Journal
Post by: jessica on March 08, 2014, 10:43:53 pm
lIts all good Sorrentus. I know its hard to keep your head up when it seems like the most basic task that you shouldn't even have to think about becomes the most painful, difficult and time consuming part of your life. What a difficult test from the universe I think it is sometimes! And having no support or access to good food does not help. So you get all of my sympathy and certainly all of my support and accolades because you haven't given up, you are still here, searching for solutions and refining your knowledge. I think it helps that you are still so open minded and willing to try rotten meat.
Maybe just reframe your idea that rotten meat isn't really the most "nastiest rotten crap on earth", but that there are a million organisms out there willing to help you heal and its just unfortunate that in our society we have demonized them and been taught that they are "unsanitary", putrid, nasty. Our judgment and lack of understanding of the most benevolent beings (soil, shit, microbes, nature) is the biggest fault stemming from our arrogance and I am sure you can see where that has led us astray and made us a sick population of humans overall. I don't know, sometimes I just think reframing your thinking can bring light to otherwise dark situations! Stay up brother!
Are you able to drink water throughout the day? Are you thirsty? I see above that you said you crave salt (among most everything) have you tried adding seaweeds to water, such as kelp or dulse, and then drinking that? Have you tried strained vegetable broths like "Beelers broth", its just lightly stewed veggies like zucchini, celery etc. Just thinking that those would be good sources of nutrients that might not be irritating because they don't contain fat or much proteins but good sources of vitamins and minerals.
Title: Re: Sorentus' Journal
Post by: Sorentus on March 09, 2014, 12:39:08 am
Yeah lol, I don't fear the thought of rotten high meat at all, I actually like aged meat as long as it's from fresh and not thawed meat, there is a huge difference. I was mostly referring to how I hope to be able to tolerate the most rotten meat possible and not so much that it is disgusting. At this point there is absolutely nothing that scares me, I would eat rotten spiders hands down and much else.
I drink spring water several time throughout the day, never drink tap water and I make sure my water is in a glass jug, although the spring water come from a huge plastic tank, I don't find myself thirsty much but sometime I am. When I meant that I crave salt I meant how I crave tasting everything, I love salt because as if it was food but there is no way it would ever curve an appetite. I drank vitamined water at times from broccoli and cauliflower from vegetables broth and found I had a negative reaction, although I did drink raw blended kept without much problem, it's hard to know because my immune system react differently on given day and how long i haven't ate a particular food. So I could do fine with kelp one day and the next it would burn my intestines.
Oh and btw Jessica, I happen to have nightmares just about EVERY NIGHTS from my muscles getting numb and getting sleep paralysis but I became so good with being aware of my dream state that I can wake up from any nightmares. I had 2 nightmares last night one I woke up after a few seconds in and the other was a bit quicker too then I realized I was in a nightmare and just flew my way out of the room and tried to wake up, my muscles were so numb that it was like trying to break free from an egg shell :)
Title: Re: Sorentus' Journal
Post by: van on March 09, 2014, 01:34:07 am
Jessica, nice picture, I wish more here would post one, so that we could at least feel 'closer' to each other, rather than some icon.... always appreciate your posts too.
Title: Re: Sorentus' Journal
Post by: Sorentus on March 09, 2014, 01:37:17 am
Oh and btw Jessica, I happen to have nightmares just about EVERY NIGHTS from my muscles getting numb and getting sleep paralysis but I became so good with being aware of my dream state that I can wake up from any nightmares. I had 2 nightmares last night one I woke up after a few seconds in and the other was a bit quicker too then I realized I was in a nightmare and just flew my way out of the room and tried to wake up, my muscles were so numb that it was like trying to break free from an egg shell :)
Thanks for elaborating on your dreams, there is definitely a reason I was asking if they were visceral and effected your muscles or movement or if you felt like things were touching you or paralyzed. Ive heard them called "night terrors" and I remember reading about them in regards to deficiencies and also living with a woman who cured them by curing her potassium deficiencies. She actually had hers tested and it was super low and sure enough when she supplemented and made sure to eat more potassium rich foods her dream paralysis and nightmares went away.
Califlower and broccoli are pretty hard for anyone to digest due to high sulfur and "anti nutrients", zuchs and celery are pretty benign but have a ton of minerals...just sayin...thy are amazing in s/low cooked broths with some dulse and kelp......
Looks like you had no body fat to begin with so its pretty evident you lost some muscle and your lower belly looks a little unhappy :( keep faith though!
Title: Re: Sorentus' Journal
Post by: Inger on March 09, 2014, 03:14:58 am
Your issues sounds very much like something very bad in your environment Sorentus. I very much think the increasing EMF is what gives you issues. Can you try to stay out in the nature as much as you can? (away from powerlines, towers etc) And walk barefeet, take dips in rivers or lakes somewhere close etc?
High meat sounds like a great thing to try
Title: Re: Sorentus' Journal
Post by: Sorentus on March 09, 2014, 03:20:00 am
Your issues sounds very much like something very bad in your environment Sorentus. I very much think the increasing EMF is what gives you issues. Can you try to stay out in the nature as much as you can? (away from powerlines, towers etc) And walk barefeet, take dips in rivers or lakes somewhere close etc?
High meat sounds like a great thing to try
Well I have to wait for high meat to get high :P and it's still very cold here up in Canada, but yup as soon as it gets warm I want to get in nature as much as I can. Hell you think, waiting for my meat to become pure mushy liquid would be a good form of liquid (elemental) formula? lol, how long before it gets liquidish though?, don't wanna wait years to eat.
I used to live in an apartment when I got sick, then moved to my parent's place which is an house. So there was a distinct change in environment but still toxic, I get quite a bit of stress here from my parents but it's all I got for now. So ya, planning to escape as much in nature when it's not deep freezing :)
Title: Re: Sorentus' Journal
Post by: Sorentus on March 13, 2014, 02:25:20 am
So I received my suet and 15 pound of 60% fatty trim which I'm letting age air open in the frigd(don't have enough containers). Well after having a few bites, I feel so lethargic and nauseous. It's a different feeling then I had before, is it my body adapting to so much fat? Who knows, I'll go slowly, eating it once every day or so see if my body adapt or not. If not well, fasting till death seems like the last option. Needless to say I feel very freaking sick from eating it, so nauseous.
Title: Re: Sorentus' Journal
Post by: Sorentus on March 16, 2014, 09:36:50 am
Well so now I get 2 small bits of high meat beef cube a day along with about 100g of raw liver a day and I had to seriously limit my consumption of suet because I get severe stomach burn with it. I still haven't taken a poop in a week. I'm chewing my liver to mush and I don't even eat the veins. I feel like shit, I have no energy and I can't breathe, but these are all the same old symptoms. My digestion is worse then it ever was. I decided to add back 9gram of colostrum from surthrival on an empty stomach to see if it helps with digestion and burning sensation and being that I am so lethargic it actually helps me survive through the day.
So yeah
9gram colostrum on an empty stomach about 100g of raw liver, some suet, 2 cubes of high meat and that result in severe digestive upset. That's about all I get swallow for now.
I wanna do gelatin but don't have access to raw one atm and might buy some hydrolyzed one from great lakes when I decide waste some more money on useless supplements.
I cannot makes sense out of this, I tried every diet, every supplement, read every book and I just keep getting worse. What the hell is this curse that happened to me?
I couldn't make my digestion any more easier and I am still in so much pain. Oh and since I am constipated no matter what, I decided to add back some Soil Based probiotic from Prescript Assist, I feel they contribute to making my constipation worse but since I can't go anyway might as well try them, taking half a capsule a day.
Title: Re: Sorentus' Journal
Post by: LePatron7 on March 16, 2014, 10:03:26 am
I cannot makes sense out of this, I tried every diet, every supplement, read every book and I just keep getting worse. What the hell is this curse that happened to me?
Sorry if I missed it but what's your official diagnosis? Also, what are your specific symptoms? Growing up were you ever given antibiotics?
Title: Re: Sorentus' Journal
Post by: Sorentus on March 16, 2014, 10:26:41 am
Only one time for antibiotic that i know for sure, which was 3 years ago. My "diagnosis" was, your fine, you got IBS-C with some minor inflammation in your right colon. No celiac, no anemia, no IBD, no parasite, no infection according to the doctors.
Symptoms are:
CFS/ Lethargy, just standing up my chair require all my energy. Chronic Headache, flu like symptoms Stomach burning, heart burn, intestinal burning Stomach inflammation, (my stomach pump faster then my heart, I can see my belly physically pump, never stops even on a fast) Liver cramps, stomach cramps, intestinal cramps, intestinal spasms,coccyx spasms (there are just so many of them) Feel bloated all the time, constantly hungry buy can't ever eat to full. Pretty much permanent Constipation Total food intolerance, I cannot ingest anything without a symptom. Shortness of breath, some day I have to gasp for air about 5-10 times per minute, today was one of them. Constant need to urinate at night Muscle numbness, hard for me to sleep as I always get numb Nerve twitching in my head, I can sometime feel my nerves in my head twisting or w/e the hell it does(mostly only happen when i try to sleep). Yea the list goes on and on...
Title: Re: Sorentus' Journal
Post by: LePatron7 on March 16, 2014, 10:38:37 am
How is your blood work? Can you post the results of any blood work you've had done (without your name)?
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Post by: Sorentus on March 16, 2014, 11:10:34 am
Here is an old one, it changed a lot, my vitamin dropped by more then half on the last test and I had so much other test done but here is what I got.
Sanguine formula:
White Globules: 3,6 x10^9/L
Red Globules: 5,16 x10^12/L
HB: 164 g/L
HT: 0,486 fl
VGM: 94,2 fl
HGM: 31,9 pg
CHGM: 338 g/L
DVE: 13 fl
VPM: 9,0 fl
Platelet: 120 unit x10^9/L
Differential:
Neutrophil: 1,74 x10^9/L
Lymphocyte?: 1,42 x10^9/L
Monocyte: 0,17 x10^9/L
Eosinophil: 0,10 x10^9/L
Basophil: 0,03 x10^9/L
LUC: 0,09 x10^9/L
Routine:
Sodium: 139 umol/L
Potassium: 4,42 umol/L
Chloride: 101umol/L
Fasting glucose: 4,6 umol/L
Creatinine: 88 umol/L
IDMS-traceable creatinine: 73,1
Glomerular Filtration estimation: >=120 unit mL/min/l
ALT: 67 U/L
ALP: 102 U/L
Amylase: 43 U/L
Lipase: 90 U/L
Bilirubin: 13,9 umol/L
Proteins: 71 g/L
Albumin: 45 g/L
Albumin-globulin ratio: 1,73 g/L
Cardiovascular tests:
Total Cholesterol: 3,96 mmol/L
HDL-Cholesterol: 1,50 mmol/L
LDL-Cholesterol: 2,19 mmol/L
Cholesterol / HDL Ratio: 2,64 mmol/L
Triglyceride 0,58: mmol/L
Urinary Biochemistry:
Appearance: Clear
Color: Citrin
Density: 1,013 < 1,040
pH: 7,0
Protein Traces: Positive
Blood: Negative
Everything else is also negative
Microscopic Cell exam (400x):
White globules: 1,2
Red globules: 1-2
Mucus traces
Oh here is the interesting part, the lactose intolerance test
Administrated dose: 75g
Fasting glucose: 4,6mmol/L
Glucose 30 minutes later: 5,5 mmol/L
Glucose 1 hour later: 4,3 mmol/L
Glucose 2hour later 4,3 mmol/L
Vitamins and anemia test:
TSH: 1,38 mU/L
Vitamin B12: 654 pmol/L
Folic Acid: 24,9 nmol/L
Ferritin: 329 ug/L
Iron: 24,3 umol/L
CTFF: 49 umol/L
Saturation coefficient: 0,50
Transferrin?: 1,96 g/L
Title: Re: Sorentus' Journal
Post by: van on March 16, 2014, 02:10:45 pm
Sorentus,, I think I mentioned asking Iguana about cassia discs/pods. They will take care of you constipation,, don't take too many at once. Instinctos all have used them, myself included. I think they are truly one of those beneficial herbs/foods one should have. I always travel with them, just in case. Start with two, and build up daily till your bowels move. You will feel so much better emptying out your bowels....
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Post by: Inger on March 16, 2014, 06:55:37 pm
I ate Cassia all the time when I was instincto... my bowels felt so messed up at times from the fruit and stuff
Now I never feel the need of it anymore - my bowels are just so perfectly healthy!
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Post by: Inger on March 16, 2014, 06:58:06 pm
I seriously think your issue is in your environment Sorentus.
You should test, where you live and at work. You can rent a EMF meter, or buy one.. you could use an AM radio too, it is great for testing
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Post by: LePatron7 on March 16, 2014, 07:49:08 pm
Here is an old one, it changed a lot, my vitamin dropped by more then half on the last test and I had so much other test done but here is what I got.
Could you post which ones were out of range? It would be a tedious job to search the normal values for each one.
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Post by: jessica on March 16, 2014, 10:40:33 pm
Cassia is not a good idea for Sorentus me thinks, because the mechanism by which it makes you poop is to induce spasms in the small intestine and colon! It just doesn't sound like you are eating enough to have a lot of material to poop out anyway. Do you think that might be the case?
It really sounds like mineral imbalance to me, and that the body is so out of whack that when you add anything it has a hard time to balance them out. Electroltye imbalances cause spasms in all parts of the body, muscle aches, head aches, weakness, lethargy. It will effect each cell of your body now, down to your mitochondria, where proper balance is necessary to create all of the energy in your body.
I still think you should get a more in depth vitamin and mineral panel. A good place to check out some information about ranges and ratios for mineral analysis is on the www.drlwilson.com (http://www.drlwilson.com) website. A lot of his advice you must take with a grain of salt, remembering what is best for you, but being flexible because you are coming from a place of declining health, and what is good for your today is only "good for you" in relation to where you are right this moment. That said, I do believe that he has some great info on specific minerals, he is also someone you might call who would be willing to interperate your data for him. He works with orthomolecular nutrition but is only about supplementing in extreme cases, if at all, and is extremely mindful about them. He also ties in some of the psychosomatic issues that arise from nutritional imbalances, which you have to read understanding that he is writing from his perspective, but a lot of it is very useful and mind opening.
Sorentus how much anxiety do you deal with? Espeically around diet? It seems like you are to a point where the vicious cycle of body causing mental health decline, leading to further physical health decline, is coming into play. How do we help you with this? Can/do you forgive yourself and your body? Do you think it might be beneficial to create a healthy ritual around your body and around eating? Do you believe in your own capacity to heal?
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Post by: Sorentus on March 17, 2014, 12:19:37 am
@Jessica, I do think minerals imbalance could be an issue at play here, I'm seeing a NAET practitioner Wednesday and she told me she should look for these things but not by a blood test though. My money is severely limited and I must choose the right basket to bet on in order to see what can help. Having taken a lot of magnesium I'm sure it probably created lots of minerals imbalance, I'll keep with the egg shell since maybe it can help, I'm having a pretty bad thigh bone pain today.
I get anxiety when eating but it is mostly frustration that I deal with. At times I just say "so here goes pain" before I even attempt to swallow my food. Now I know you'll say that this can play a crucial role but I had times when I didn't say it and I had pain and I had times where I said it and was fine, I doubt it play any significant role. I try to be at peace with this illness as most as I can and I still believe I can heal, giving if I get to find the root cause of all of this mess. I no longer choose to get hopeful anymore though, because every time that resulted in nights of insomnia, visualizing and feeling how great my life would be if I had it back, only to be followed by another downhill of my health(positive thinking eh?). I wanna figure this out because I don't want to die of an illness that I couldn't ever make sense out, not knowing what is wrong is driving me insane. There is also some kind of spiritual belief that if I don't figure this out, I'm doomed to repeat this same pattern if another life or something.
@DaBoss88, I never had anything come out of range, when I explained the doctors that my iron and b12 dropped by more then half in 4 months, they didn't bother because they were still in "range". I told them that there will likely not stay in range if it goes on like this but , they are doctor so w/e. That was back in late December, my TSH went up to around 2.5 too.
@Iner, I don't work as I am too ill to do so but I did shut down my wifi and I saw a noticeable improvement in my headaches, thank you for that. Surely there are more things that could be done and it would probably help, I do feel being in the nature would help with some conditions more CFS related but regarding my digestion, I doubt it.
@Van Not sure if I can find cassia around here, let along organic one. Does it matter if its sold in the winter and it is imported? I also ate 200 grams of sauerkraut last night. I didn't wanna go slowly with it only to try to figure out (oh is this the meal I had 5 5hours ago making me feel bad, yesterday or this one) so instead I ate a whole 200 grams expecting fully to feel like complete crap but knowing that at least this time I'm eating the food that makes me sick and it goes in my mouth rather then offering my food to someone who isn't sick. I've donated so much healthy organic food that I cannot eat, it pisses me off so much. I was expecting severe bloating and feeling like I'm being eaten alive by bacterias, instead what I got was a feeling in my intestine that I'm about to get diarrhea and I had a healthy bowel movement for the first time in a week this morning, so I am tempted to try the experiment again which is not what I had in mind.
One thing I find odd is stuff like meat gives me no stomach problem and it require stomach acid, yet after the meat digest, I feel my intestines are stuck and clogged with flesh even when breaking down my food to mush. Now when I eat honey I feel stomach discomfort, burning sensation but little if any intestinal problem, when I eat suet(only the one that melt in your mouth and absolutely nothing solid) I get stomach burning for about 4 hours yet again not much intestinal discomfort. It seems that whatever makes me feel bad in my stomach will be ok in the intestine and vice versa. I wasn't feeling any burning sensation in my stomach eating sauerkraut but I had some significant GI upset.
Could it be H pylori, stomach bug, lack of bile? My stool are well formed and show no fat malabsorbtion, I've been eating raw liver which contain taurine and I'm seeing no improvement and at this point I'll be trying some digestive enzymes to see if it does anything.
Edit: I just had some heart fat and WOW does it taste like heaven, I never tasted something so good, suet tasted good but heart fat it so much better, now I already wish I didn't eat so much (not so much for a normal person but for me, I can already feel the pain building up) as I had suet 2 hours prior to beef heart fat. Also beef heart muscle taste so good too. I wasn't looking for it at all but I like heart fat and protein much more then anything else thus far, very impressed. I absolutely LOVE raw paleo and I don't even find high meat disgusting, I would have no problem eating this for the rest of my life. I just wish I could digest it that's all. Seem like whatever happen I'll stick to raw paleo forever as for now it's what hurt the less to eat.
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Post by: Sorentus on March 19, 2014, 10:18:22 am
Well I don't know what is the science behind this but if I eat beef heart fat I don't get stomach burn but if I eat suet (beef fat) I get stomach burn. now if I take digestive enzymes it goes down significantly, I am using life extension enhanced digestive enzymes. Imo they are of poor quality but I was given those by mistake from a past order and they are the only digestives enzymes I have atm, but they seem to do something helpful.
Oh my digestive is still severely bad, spasms of all kind and really bloated but the enzymes seem to help with the stomach burn, only using them with suet for now.
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Post by: Sorentus on March 26, 2014, 12:50:18 am
Well so far it seems like I can tolerate suet pretty well, I would get severe stomach burn at first so I added digestive enzymes and this severely reducing the burning thus allowing me to eat a lot more and without the feeling of nausea. I haven't tried yet without the enzymes as I they seem to help. I'll cut them out eventually and go from there.
I don't eat ground beef anymore and don't plan to, way to impossible to digest, so I'm having beef heart and beef liver, they digest much better but I still get this feeling of clogging down my intestine but it's way less harsh then it would be with ground beef. Probably from the fact that I eat a lot less meat then initially.
I eat 2 meal of fat on average for 1 meat of protein and I decided to add VERY LITTLE lowest fiber fruits once in the morning for the recommend daily intake of vitamin C so about 100g of high vitamin c low fiber fruits (pineapple, strawberries etc...)
Now I can't still poop and still get some significant digestion upset (thinking of it 24/7) so I'm considering taking magnesium citrate but I'm wary of it as this doesn't fix the problem. I am getting colon bloat and I feel this would all go away if I could take a shit!
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Post by: jessica on March 26, 2014, 04:09:58 am
is it in your asending and traverse colon that you feel the blockage ? you can do some self massage to push your poops along, google it, there are plenty of resources, its basically gently rubbing your lower belly from right to left in a clockwise motion if you are looking down on yourself but google it and also your anatomy so you know what you are doing.
doing inversions and (bridge pose if you are familiar with yoga) help as do relaxation, deep breathing and a good book and no place to go. always do activities around releasing shits in a very relaxed manner, never anxiously rub your belly trying to squeak out a poo, poos hate that.
just remember that you are probably assimilating most of the beef fat and heart, so getting microbes down into your belly to take care and move along the rest of the stuff might be a better idea then thinking you are going to take a fat shit anytime soon.
I would still encourage you to get some really good probiotics and mega dose on them, and getting something like dulse and drinking that down with some warm water, especially if you are going to take a mag. supplement, as anything that gives you runny shits has the tendency to also pull some minerals out along with it.
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Post by: Sorentus on March 26, 2014, 06:22:18 am
Ya i did the massage for quite a while, it worked better when I was eating fiber rich food, now it just seems stuck. I also wanted to try some seaweed too but was worried of them being difficult to digest so I didn't buy them.
I was taking half a capsule of prescript assist soil based organism but I could never knew if they were doing more good then bad. I always felt some discomfort from taking them, like some war was going inside my intestine even after a week. I still have about 40 capsules but I can't tell if they help. And lactic probiotic seem to be very wrong. Fermented vegetable is still a gray area, I got a bowel movement ONCE after taking a large dose of sauerkraut and when taking in small amount it never triggered bowel movement.
It does seem as if I'm absorbing all of that fat so there is nothing left to aid in the bowel movement. the pain is in the left side of my colon and also under my liver.
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Post by: Sorentus on March 27, 2014, 06:22:02 am
So I took 900mg of magnesium citrate last night(which is much less then I usually take) and had way too much honey again 1 hour prior to taking magnesium (5TBS spoon) and I had the biggest bowel movement of my life. It looked like a very healthy 3 pounds of fatty cooked ground beef and it was such a relief.
So this felt all very satisfying so I ate 6 cubes of pineapple as a reward and later ate a whole avocado at 7am knowing very well that it would be a bad idea because fiber and plant are evil(but it was perfectly ripe and I didn't want to again give away food that I bought). I had nausea for 2 hours and today my intestines felt like COMPLETE CRAP, making me feel like I'm back to where I began.
Definitively NOT eating plan food, honey or anything but animal food for a VERY long time. Beef fat and beef meat is all I'm going for right now, I hope I can get back to where I was a few days ago, it was looking really promising. now of course everyone around me had to ask me how I was doing and I was doing MUCH better yet still very much in pain and I knew that talking about my health improving would do what it always does, set me back to square one and that's exactly where I am today, FML.
Having my endoscopy tomorrow, hopefully things get back to normal soon enough. I'm about to buy a ton of beef heart, I would hate to be forced on a water fast.
I praise the day that I can stop thinking of my digestion 24/7, I literally dream of digestion, think about it, feel it, it never EVER leave my train of thought. It affects my intelligence, my ability to think and speak and enjoy myself, I've been thinking of my digestion 24/7 without remorse for 11 months now.
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Post by: eveheart on March 27, 2014, 08:37:45 am
Good luck on your endoscopy.
I was reading some information on the internet about auto-immune diseases. A lot of intestinal diseases are in the auto-immune category. The statement that caught my eye was that "40% of all auto-immune patients are told that their problems are in their heads." That happened to me for many years.
Please, keep your courage to find out what works for you, just in case "they" find "nothing" wrong."
Keep us posted.
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Post by: jessica on March 27, 2014, 10:58:33 am
Ya i did the massage for quite a while, it worked better when I was eating fiber rich food, now it just seems stuck. I also wanted to try some seaweed too but was worried of them being difficult to digest so I didn't buy them.
I was taking half a capsule of prescript assist soil based organism but I could never knew if they were doing more good then bad. I always felt some discomfort from taking them, like some war was going inside my intestine even after a week. I still have about 40 capsules but I can't tell if they help. And lactic probiotic seem to be very wrong. Fermented vegetable is still a gray area, I got a bowel movement ONCE after taking a large dose of sauerkraut and when taking in small amount it never triggered bowel movement.
It does seem as if I'm absorbing all of that fat so there is nothing left to aid in the bowel movement. the pain is in the left side of my colon and also under my liver.
Where under your liver? Left or right side? Do you ever get any weird nausea symptoms with upper back pain or sneezing/gaging when you feel sick from foods? These are gallbladder symptoms, which is under your liver
You know your stomach is also under your liver right? Lactic based probiotics are active in the stomach, same with digestive enzymes, so you might still want to include those to help you digest and assimilate.
Title: Re: Sorentus' Journal
Post by: Sorentus on March 28, 2014, 10:20:42 am
I get nausea when I eat too much fat or the wrong one(coconut oil, ghee, avocado). I do best with suet, I got lots of nausea at first but then it cooled down and so I went with more suet and I was not having nausea. Now I'm getting some nausea but I'm eating very much a lot of it 2 meal a day of just plain lots of fat, which isn't huge nausea but still I can tell. Gonna try to add more protein, I prefer protein over fat but protein is much hardest on my intestines and thankfully if I eat fat it soothe my intestines like fruits or honey did. I'm avoid them like the plague now even though I really crave them (thus why can't always trust your "instincts"). I also don't get back pain while having the nausea, I do get back pain when I go to sleep though but I do get liver cramps sometime from supplements or lots of fat or adding something shortly after a meal.
At this point I had negative reaction from every probiotic product I tried beside high meat so that's really the only "probiotic" I trust atm.
I had my gastroscopy today, the doctor didn't even get back to me after the intervention, he just gave a referral for me to buy anti-acid pills which I bought, thankfully they were offered for free since I'm on welfare but I really wanna avoid them like the plague. I know that they won't do me any good and probably cause more harm then good but then if I don't take them,I bet he won't keep signing my disability paper and he later want me to take pills for crohn's which I tested negative in all the thousands tests they did to me.
I know I have something very wrong with my stomach because it literally feel like my heart is in my stomach, it pump so hard, like its really inflamed. Then I get all sort of intestinal discomfort and then if I do some drugs like weed which most people feel help their gut, mine get SO SO SO much worse. It makes no sense, it's like I have the "totally impossible to comprehend gut disease".
I'm sure its no candida. it's likely some fort of constipation SIBO with possible leaky gut and dysbiosis but it still doesn't explain all the stomach stuff. Seem like I have no parasites(beside the self incubated hookworm which I did after I get all these symptoms), infections or other stuff. Seems like my body is just fighting itself. I feel really hopeless.
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Post by: cherimoya_kid on March 28, 2014, 11:04:35 am
I'm sorry if I've asked this before, but have you tried vitamin D supplements?
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Post by: jessica on March 28, 2014, 11:42:31 am
what you describe sounds so much like issues with gallbladder, and veggie fats are by far the most irritating and should be avoided.
have you ever tried dipping your fat in lemon juice or salt, or even sauer kraut juice? or eatin a little before hand to stimulate bile production? sour and bitter tastes should cause your bile to pump out if it can.
when you get sick from fats, it might sounds counter intuitive, but drinking lemon juice + apple cider vinegar can help, they will emulsify the fats for your, to make them better digested in your stomach and further down the line, especially if you are having issues with gallbladder. do you poop out fats? like oily poops? this is also why I recommend just trying egg yolk with no white, the yolks have lecithin in them, which helps the fat digest and absorb, as it is also an emollient.
anyhow just some things to consider, I know its no ideal, but your digestion is extremely compromised so I am just throwing out all of the less processed alternatives I know, id offer you all kinds of herbal teas that help with digestion, stomach lining and liver but I am not sure you are open to that. don't smoke weed, its such a panacea for stomach issues, it works on your brain for appetite not healing your stomach, it will only tax your liver and lymph at this point
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Post by: Sorentus on March 28, 2014, 11:56:41 am
Ya I cut weed out completely, the feeling of having my last bits of energy drained and feeling like my gut is being tortured is not worth it for me anymore. I do take vitamin D supplements yes.
No I haven't tried dipping my fat in anything, I just eat it raw from suet and let it melt in my mouth, the one from big chunks that doesn't dries out but stay solid is the best, it taste so freaking good but it's easy to eat too much. Personally I can't get enough of it and wish I could eat more, atm I'll have to lay off cause I'm thinking my body is probably craving more good protein then fat. But my body craving something doesn't mean it's all suited to digest it.
I tried all kind of herbal tea and supplements that claims to ad digestion and they all make it worse, chamomile, sage, fennel, licorice, milk thistle, etc..
I don't seem to poop out fat except that one time when I had a big poop it looked greasy but it didn't look like I pooped fat.
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Post by: Sorentus on March 29, 2014, 02:59:04 am
Well last night I ha very good tasting fat, the one that melt in your mouth and felt ok afterward but then this morning I had VERY bad nausea, kind of like when I have too much coconut oil, had to lay still in bed for hours.
The this morning I ate high meat trim and had some VERY severe stomach discomfort, I feel extremely awful atm and my digest is a severe mess. I made the mistake of trying to do high meat from trim and all this fat taste so rancid and I think it might be what cause the digestive upset. Guess I'm not doing high meat anytime soon, 150$ worth of trim going in the garbage and 100$ worth of jar bought for nothing. Story of my miserable life.
going to be fasting for a day, live off the 2 liver and 1 lb of ground beef and very little fat until I can get off some more beef heart. God my situation is so hopeless.
Title: Re: Sorentus' Journal
Post by: van on March 29, 2014, 03:48:54 am
All of us here have wasted as much money and effort on foods that didn't serve us. Let it be a learning experience. Fasting is fine, but eating when hungry is also fine, as in letting your body tell you when it's time to eat. I feel for you. Try to find foods that you like, that taste good, and let the taste and enjoyment be a guide. My guess is your system is so tender that any excess is going to be felt.
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Post by: jessica on March 29, 2014, 04:07:38 am
what time did you eat the fat? did you do anything afterwards or just let it sit in your stomach? honest just try dipping it in apple cider vinegar or lemon, maybe a little salt, pick some dandelion and taste the bitter sap, you can also chew on some celery before you eat to stimulate HCL in your gut, it only takes a the taste to stimulate, but the acv or lemon might help actual digestion of fats.
the other morning I ate a half pound of raw wild shrimp, and for whatever reason my gallbladder detested, I felt nausea, sneezing, felt like I was going to puke and have diarrhea, I drank a big glass of diluted lemon, acv and diatomaceous earth for good measure and within minutes the nausea was gone and my stomach and digestion have been fine since.
I have probably spent tens of thousands of dollars on supplements and food that didn't serve me, just as van said, but it was part of the education. what I found that worked I continued, and most things I don't have to take much of (specific vitamins and nutrients) and was able to stop taking totally (probiotics and digestive enzymes) and now just take on occasion (herbal teas). of course the goal is not to have to take anything and to have an ideal, individualized diet, but its a destination that requires years of healing to reach.
Title: Re: Sorentus' Journal
Post by: goodsamaritan on April 05, 2014, 01:38:12 am
I just read your Journal.
Seems constipation and intestines are the big deal here.
My son had his intestines quit on him due to diverticulitis and the feces were impacted.
We did olive oil enemas to fish out all the impacted feces and because he completely stopped pooping.
From my teacher barefoot herbalist mh at Ask Barefoot forum on curezone.com
LBB capsules, take for 60 days. Experiment to find your activation dose. Activation dose is number of capsules you need to give you daily bowel movement, but not diarrhea. After 60 days your colon will be a CHAMPION. Your colon will be independent, no need for anything else. You will not be dependent on these LBB capsules.
Worked for me, worked for my son, and now giving it to my daughter because she has pooping problems and gas problems.
Me and my son are now champion poopers.
When I gave these LBB caps to my son, he was also on a purely diluted orange juice fast and raw duck egg only diet for the first 2 weeks. And then to 6 months of raw paleo diet. At the end of the 6 months some 3 weeks of raw cow's milk fast to solidify and form his poop.
My boy is now on mostly cooked and some raw paleo diet.
Title: Re: Sorentus' Journal
Post by: Sorentus on April 05, 2014, 03:02:00 am
I might wanna give these capsules a go, is there any way I can get the supplements fact on them? There seem to be no information at all on their website regarding the product.
Title: Re: Sorentus' Journal
Post by: goodsamaritan on April 05, 2014, 08:01:23 am
LBB capsules, take for 60 days. Experiment to find your activation dose. Activation dose is number of capsules you need to give you daily bowel movement, but not diarrhea. After 60 days your colon will be a CHAMPION.
Here you go http://curezone.com/upload/PDF/Lower_20Bowel_20Balance.pdf (http://curezone.com/upload/PDF/Lower_20Bowel_20Balance.pdf)
You will need to ask support from his forum and search his forum
If you are going on a fast you need to fast correctly. If you do not poop the entire day, before going to bed, you do a warm water enema. You do not want your colon poisons recirculating within you.
In your condition, you need to poop at least 1 per day... or you do a water enema before bed.
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On another note, have you done any colon cleansing such as 30 ml or 60 ml of castor oil? (lbb is not a colon cleanser. lbb is a colon rebuilder)
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Post by: Sorentus on April 05, 2014, 09:10:10 am
Thank you very much, if I wasn't hosting hookworms I would order this right now and try it right ahead but I'm concerned that golden seal and fennel might kill the worms. I am trying a whole papaya in the morning atm and see if it makes me poop, as when I had 3 over 2 days I had 3 days of huge bowel movements, so one a day might do the trick.
I'll be giving hookworm another month or two and likely order that formula by then, one thing is for sure is that I'll give it a try at some point.
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Post by: goodsamaritan on April 05, 2014, 10:04:15 am
If you have worm problems there are herbal dewormers in the market my family has used successfully.
www.humaworm.com (http://www.humaworm.com) got rid of my tape worms and whatever worms my children had.
My wife likes Barefoot Herbalist MH dewormer, we keep as stand by medicine for amoeba attacks... her family in the past had several hospitalization experiences with amoeba, now no more with the stand by dewormer. http://oldfashionedspices.com/index.php?l=product_list&c=27 (http://oldfashionedspices.com/index.php?l=product_list&c=27) (ask him what he would recommend for hook worms)
Zappers can get those worms... http://petzapper.com/ (http://petzapper.com/) , ultimate zapper, take your pick.
But to my knowledge, you need to clear your colon blockages and constipation before you do your deworming, you don't want those dead bodies getting stuck up into you.
Title: Re: Sorentus' Journal
Post by: Sorentus on April 05, 2014, 10:26:35 am
The hookworm was consciously injected as a helminthic therapy, they are supposed to help with a wide range of help problems.
I went on humaworm for 2 weeks(so still have 2 week worth of supply left) while adding extra GSE on an elemental diet and this caused severe burning feeling all over my digestive system and I never once had a bowel movement during the whole process, so I figured I didn't have a worm problem. I was also having 10 TBP of coconut oil a day as part of my elemental diet so I was boosted on worm killing stuff and nothing, no bowel movement or detox symptom.
Title: Re: Sorentus' Journal
Post by: goodsamaritan on April 05, 2014, 10:36:50 am
What is GSE and what is an elemental diet?
So those treatments you did made things worse?
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Post by: Sorentus on April 05, 2014, 10:52:24 pm
GSE mean grapeseed extract and elemental diet is a liquid diet made for those with severe food intolerance.
The formula was homemade, consisting of whey protein isolate, coconut oil and glucose powder with cinnamon for flavor and l-glutamine and 1GSE cap.
It worked wonderfully at first, gave me energy and curved my apettite until i became intolerant to just about all the ingredients. It resulted in what always happen, i would get terrible inflamation in my intestines that would feel like a severe burn and i would get incredibly thirsty.
Title: Re: Sorentus' Journal
Post by: jessica on April 05, 2014, 11:03:01 pm
gse is harsh, its probably strong enough to kill all microbes in your system after a while. I remember using it on a rash I got on my face (which was caused by systemic candida, and copper overload, and the fact I couldnt absorb any b vitamins and I drank alcohol) and even super diluted with veggie glycogen it burned my skin, but it did help the rash clear up a bit, I think, the clearning might have been attributed to that I was at wits end and actually decided to change my diet and habits. GSE that and oil of oreganol are emergency medicine only I think, like if you have a super deep, dirty wound, or you already have a serious infection, to be used in place of rubbing alcohol and such.
humaworm is pretty good stuff, they will make it to your specifications if there is some ingredient you don't agree with, I asked them to not add any licorice and they kindly obliged. we give a very similar herbal mixture to sick animals on the farm, am pretty sure the ingredients work more to kill parasites instead of effecting gut flora. I would suggest you get yours made without cayenne if you do go for it, it can be really inflammatory to the intestines and body
I don't know it seems like everything you are doing has been so extreme that your body probably just needs rest and the very least offensive foods ever, like small amounts of dulse and seaweed broths, just to get minerals and such, and small amounts of sour foods, and bitter foods, to stimulate digestion, and egg yolks, like one every other day, and maybe raw whey and soured cream on the days you don't eat egg yolks, and fish soups, just fish extremely slowly cooked in water. but definitely no refined oils like coconut oils
Title: Re: Sorentus' Journal
Post by: goodsamaritan on April 06, 2014, 12:23:54 am
Seems you depleted your probiotic flora in your guts. Did you take probiotics to replace what you lost? How much and how long and what brands?
Title: Re: Sorentus' Journal
Post by: Sorentus on April 06, 2014, 12:51:08 am
Seems you depleted your probiotic flora in your guts. Did you take probiotics to replace what you lost? How much and how long and what brands?
I tried a few, prescript assist , they give me bloating and gi discomfort, tried 2 caps a day then half a cap for a whole week, always get discomfort and no improvement for constipation.
I tried some lacto and bidifus, about 2 weeks to a month, was a whole bottle.
I tried dynamic health Lactobacillus Acidophilus, Apple & Strawberry Juice Concentrates, , downed 4 bottles, I have 3 bottles left that I didn't keep using, I would get stomach cramp and no gi relief.
I did homemade yogurt 24h fermentation which I think made constipation worse (likely dairy and not probiotic) and I tried fermented sauerkraut which gave me GI discomfort every time but gave me a bowel movement once from eating 250g.
I really have yet to find a probiotic that agrees with me or improve my symptoms.
BTW day 2 of papaya in the morning and had a bowel movement again, yesterday too but it was barely noticeable, today was light but still decent enough, hopefully tomorrow its even bigger. Eating 1 papaya a day might be expensive but if it works then good right? Every other fruits makes me so bloated and yet I can have a whole huge one and feel fine by fine I mean much better then any other fruit, I get digestive discomfort but it doesn't bother much.
And papaya are coming in season in 2 months, atm they are very unripe in the supermarket, so hey hopefully I can keep doing papaya, i love them so freaking much! I'm crossing my finger that I don't become intolerant to it, I have yet to get inflammation from eating fruits(which beside raw beef is the only thing I don't get inflammation from) but I still get very bad discomfort from eating them beside papaya.
Now isn't this great, my stomach burn are getting away not getting them anymore but I get nausea CONSTANTLY, everything I est give me nausea, I don't know why and it's scaring the hell out of me.
Title: Re: Sorentus' Journal
Post by: paper_clips43 on April 06, 2014, 05:56:10 am
Good to hear you are enjoying Papaya! It was my favorite fruit for the longest time until I had ripe cherimoyas ;) Interesting about your liquid diet making you thirsty. I find similar symptoms with too many liquids. I have been air drying my meat lately to get rid of excess liquid and have been consuming more salt and I have to say I never feel thirsty anymore! Also I have a lot less intestinal rumbling. I think milk and fruit juices have enough liquids for me.
Title: Re: Sorentus' Journal
Post by: goodsamaritan on April 06, 2014, 06:02:42 am
Have you ever tried warm water enemas? Olive oil enemas? Have you tried eating pineapples? Have you tried drinking castor oil as a colon cleanser? Have you tried drinking chamomile tea?
The pregnant lady I helped had GERD and she got well by eating lots of papaya and pineapples for a week. So continue your papayas.
The nausea I guess may be due to lots of impacted stools when your guts were sterilized. Taking dewormer without daily pooping is a disaster, those dead bodies need to go out.
After your colon has been cleansed, you need to cleanse your liver. When your digestion can take it, try freshly picked apples and eat instinctively on that quantity your body wants.
If beef agrees with you, then make high meat with it Aajonus style for 30 days in a bottle. Try that as probiotics. Make several bottles at different dates so you do not run out.
Title: Re: Sorentus' Journal
Post by: PaleoPhil on April 06, 2014, 06:03:37 am
One of the markets had cherimoyas today! Yum, yum!
Title: Re: Sorentus' Journal
Post by: Sorentus on April 06, 2014, 06:29:14 am
Have you ever tried warm water enemas? Olive oil enemas? Have you tried eating pineapples? Have you tried drinking castor oil as a colon cleanser? Have you tried drinking chamomile tea?
The pregnant lady I helped had GERD and she got well by eating lots of papaya and pineapples for a week. So continue your papayas.
The nausea I guess may be due to lots of impacted stools when your guts were sterilized. Taking dewormer without daily pooping is a disaster, those dead bodies need to go out.
After your colon has been cleansed, you need to cleanse your liver. When your digestion can take it, try freshly picked apples and eat instinctively on that quantity your body wants.
If beef agrees with you, then make high meat with it Aajonus style for 30 days in a bottle. Try that as probiotics. Make several bottles at different dates so you do not run out.
I tried water enema once, it didn't make me go and I got all bloated so I never tried again, never did olive.
I did try pineapple, they seem to make me just as bad as any other fruits, bloated, pregnant looking but I think they might trigger bowel movement somewhat.
I did castor oil, it works amazingly to flush colon, I used it many times but oh my lord, I never tasted something has awful, I need about 2 TBP for it to work. I never wanna swallow this ever again, it makes me so nauseous, even months from not having had it, thinking of it still makes me wanna puke.
Chamomile tea makes me really bloated and uncomfortable for w/e reason but it does have a relaxing anti anxiety effect.
I ran out of high meat but I would definitively wanna do more(I think they gave me energy somewhat), this time I need to make sure that it is from lean cuts only and absolutely no fat and of course fresh meat, can't do it from frozen.
Title: Re: Sorentus' Journal
Post by: Sorentus on April 07, 2014, 02:29:55 am
Aight well I think its time to kill my hookworm, i literally have to staycin bed all day because im so freaking nauseous. I eat beef heart and 1 later i get nausea. Initially with suet i got nausea and stomach burns, then nausea got away and still had burns from time to time. So i cut out honey and it got rid of the burn but now the nausea is 10times worse.
Yesterday i cut my serving of suet in half and still got so nausea to the point my head was spinning around being so dizzy. Now this morning i got neusea AGAIN from beef heat. Im having no lack of apettite and i had a strong craving for carb so after being in bed letargic nausious snd hungry i reached fir half a pound of honey, thats right 11TBS.
Needless to say my digestion feel like major shit but im not neusious anymore. I had a papaya again today being my 3rd day in a row, i was expecting a big bowel movement but nothing, i really wanna try that bowel formula and it would likely affect the worms
I self incubated 2 months ago, i used to be able to eat up to 10TBS of coconut oil a day and since incubabtion, i cant take any amount without nausea. So i dunno, carb craving, hookworms, copper toxicity? No idea whats causing the nausea but its a major issue atm and i need a fix asap. Btw peppermint oil caps help but thats not solving the cause, i cant be taking peppermint at every meals so i think ill kill my worms and try the bowel formula.
Edit: OH MY ***** LORD these intestinal spasms are so bad(likely all that honey), I swear I'M NEVER EATING SUGAR EVER AGAIN THIS TIME, even if gotta puke all my food to the ground lol. It's really dumb though, I was doing bed digestion wise, not as much pain as usual, no more heartburn but nope NAUSEA NAUSEA NAUSEA NAUSEA! I can't ever fucking get a fucking diet right, I can't ever sleep and forget about it because what am i going to do starve to death? lol. Nope constantly have to find a temporary solution, I'm considering buying insects and eat them live at this point.
OMFG LOL OMFG I SWEAR these spasms are a 11/10 lol OMFGGGGG IT HURT IM SCREAMING, lollll wowww!!!!!! yup, that's from honey, now if I was to eat a normal sad diet lol this would be so much worse. Clearly had to take a lot this time so that it feels so bad that I remember how much honey does NOT agree with me.
Man I wish I had a way to suppress my hunger that way I could have an easy time being gentle on my body and just eat the bare survival liquid/mineral diet lol. Hard when you think of food 24/7.
Btw I tried to buy the bowel formula from the link you provided but they only offer to ship to USA, would you know an international source? I might be forced to buy the Dr. John R. Christopher formula. I would much prefer the barefoot one as it contain less cayenne which could cause irritation in the GI tract.
Title: Re: Sorentus' Journal
Post by: Sorentus on April 17, 2014, 10:22:33 am
Well so now I no longer can digest my beef heart, my digestion is so clogged like it what on the first 3 days that I started raw paleo eating lean ground meat only with no fat. Then I added honey and it soothed my intestines a lot for another 2 weeks then ground meat became too hard to digest so I got suet and beef heart and liver. Having tender meat like heart and a lot of fat was amazing because fat soothed my gut like honey would and I was chewing down heart and liver a lot and they are both really tender, they are 10 fold easier to digest then ground beef.
This worked for another say 6 weeks or so, switching from honey to trying Zero carb to adding papayas. But then carbs became more of a problem and I've been sticking to Zero Carb only . Since honey is giving me problem more and papaya worked well but then I get too bloated and I get the symptoms of if I ate too much when I only had 1.
Anyways so I can't do all kinds of carbs because fiber makes me bloated and gassy up to the point that I feel I have them in my stomach and liver and my stomach burns come back if I eat honey plus it makes me unable to digestion fat as good
So I have been sticky zero carb to starve the bacteria and terminated my worms and now I'm taking some GSE and peppermint oil caps. But I can't have a bowel movement and all my intestines are incredibly clogged and I get spasms trying to digest anything just like it was when I was on ground beef so I was forced at this point to buy 240$ worth of supplements because I got no more options left. I even tried a raw fresh lobster last week and couldn't digest it.
I tried cutting out meat and stick to fat with egg yolks for 2 days and even with that I can't get a bowel movement and the fat is too hard to digest.
I've been eating raw yolk with gelatin and raw beef fat, but now I'll be leaving the beef fat and stick to 12 egg yolk in the morning and then in the evening with 10g gelatin per 12yolk. If that fails to work then either I'll be back to other food sources that are not even raw paleo or just fast for some time, I still have the free form amino acid that I can try.
Here are the supplements I bought and why:
Lower Bowel Formula: (Bowel movement) Grapefruit Seed Extract: To kill the bacterias in the small intestines. (Been using it) Peppermint Oil Capsules: Kill bacterias (Been using it) Oregano Oil: To kill bacterias. Zinc Pepzin GI: (to help strengthen stomach and counter copper, I've already started taking it, not sure if it works well or not, might try not be taking it for a day or two. Iodine drops: for thyroid. N-Acetyl-Cysteine: To support production of mucin and glutathoine and other amino acids and support my liver and intestine. DGL Licorine extract: To support stomach. Potassium Chloride Powder: To increase my electrolytes. Hydrolyzed gelatin: To support amino acid production and other health benefits and unclog intestines.
Hopefully i can do egg yolk for some time. can't even eat my beef hearts anymore. Well that's all I can pull out for now, there is more details but I'm to tired to make a long story, all I can do is sleep nowadays, only have enough energy for a walk and then go back to sleep all day.
Title: Re: Sorentus' Journal
Post by: van on April 17, 2014, 10:49:31 am
Sorentus, It's so easy to get hooked on one food or think you've found the answer.. Eventually the body will have enough of what's in, say, beef heart and want or need something else. Think more in terms of variety, especially when you do your bulk ordering.
Title: Re: Sorentus' Journal
Post by: Sorentus on April 17, 2014, 11:01:37 am
Yes van, they were a blessing at first but now they are doing me no good, I still find them incredibly delicious though I think they might be lacking key ingredients that my body needs to heal, that's why I added gelatin and I know yolk provide missing amino acids, vitamins and minerals that heart can't provide.
Title: Re: Sorentus' Journal
Post by: jessica on April 17, 2014, 07:32:14 pm
Sorentus do you ever think that you might be killing all of your gut bacteria? And perhaps you nee to add some in and then feed those? how is your high meat experiment going? have you tried dry aging that and eating that in the interim? That also provides helpful bacteria and enzymes. are you going to take a probiotic after you are done with the gse, pep and oregonal oil?
do you make your own sauerkraut?
make sure you a drinking plenty of water when you are taking gelatin, it is very hydrophilic and might cause dehydration if you don't properly hydrate it.
do you take other supplements in addition to what you just posted? do you take any other "electrolyte" supplements or add seasalt or seaweed to your water?
how much water do you drink?
Title: Re: Sorentus' Journal
Post by: Sorentus on April 17, 2014, 08:57:41 pm
I usually drink plenty of water but ive been trying to limit it to food, as i keep hearing it depleat your electrolytes and wont fix constipation. Im guessing ill increase my intake back, i still had a bit today since i took magnesium citrat(still waiting on my bowel movement).
Jessica, i thought missing bacteria had been my problem for the longuest time, but now im thinking it may be just the opposite. I dont have undigested food in ny stool, despite the intense pain that digestion cause me, my stool look great. I get gassy from eating even meat and at time i feel like bacteria are eating me alive even when eating just meat and it gets really bad with anything that feed bacteria.
Not only that but i feel letargic and starving all the time so im thinking bacteria might eat all my nutrients. I also feel terrible on any probiotic. My attempt at making homemade sauerkraut were terrible but i bought raw organic made ones and it didnt agree with me.
Regarding high-meat, i dont know if it helped or not, did not seem to impact my digestion or bowelmovement and i felt some discomfort from small amounts of it but i think it gave me energy or maybe it was a placebo. Im having high meat from fresh heart in the process and also have ny thawed heart in my frigd which seem i wont get to eat for another week
I dont plan to take probiotic except high meat and i havent dried my meat but it always dry some as the blood leak more everday. I did try addinng himalayan pink salt to increase hcl but i always get discomfort from eating salt with water.
Regarding supplements, i do digestive enzymes when eating fat and im taking gentian drops (bitter) before meal, i also took vitamin d and c (cuma powder) every few day or so.
Title: Re: Sorentus' Journal
Post by: LePatron7 on April 18, 2014, 03:16:58 am
Just an FYI Sorentus. You'll find that somewhere there's a recommendation for and against the same thing. Ie. water being healthy, water being unhealthy. Same thing applies to basically everything. Feel free to experiment, remember that doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result is the definition of insanity. TYou'll find wild variations in people's recommendations, if something isn't working don't get to fixed on it. Try something else. Good luck.
Title: Re: Sorentus' Journal
Post by: Sorentus on April 18, 2014, 05:07:39 am
Yup, egg yolk only if it fails and i know it will, im, letting myself die with a fast. Then poisoning myself to death with all the food i couldn't eat for a year.
It is clear my body has lost the battle and reach the end of the rope, i had a new symptom last night, liver burns, thats right and i get liver cramp all day long. Theres really nothing left to do unless i can get a skilled physician to do real tests but im in Canada, free health care isnt worth shit and they all think i got cronhs when it is clear that i don't.
It was a shitty journey of health going downhill and i cant say i learned any lesson since everything failed. This illness will probably kill me soon one way or another but im glad its about to be over, i cant wait to rest.
Title: Re: Sorentus' Journal
Post by: goodsamaritan on April 18, 2014, 05:51:37 am
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Title: Re: Sorentus' Journal
Post by: Sorentus on April 18, 2014, 07:23:16 am
Thanks, I called him and he suggested that I try to drink greens, to alkalize my body and balance pH, maybe only red meat the honey I had back then created lots of acidity in my body. I've read online and it seems to make sense, apparently acid is really bad for the intestines. I took some spirulina since it's the only green I had that I could grab fast but I'm guessing I'll try some green vegetable and see how I feel. I'm starting to think that those anti acid pills might have done more good then bad at least short term. Time will tell just yet again.
Title: Re: Sorentus' Journal
Post by: van on April 18, 2014, 07:59:38 am
Yup, egg yolk only if it fails and i know it will, im, letting myself die with a fast. Then poisoning myself to death with all the food i couldn't eat for a year.
It is clear my body has lost the battle and reach the end of the rope, i had a new symptom last night, liver burns, thats right and i get liver cramp all day long. Theres really nothing left to do unless i can get a skilled physician to do real tests but im in Canada, free health care isnt worth shit and they all think i got cronhs when it is clear that i don't.
It was a shitty journey of health going downhill and i cant say i learned any lesson since everything failed. This illness will probably kill me soon one way or another but im glad its about to be over, i cant wait to rest.
how about posting each meal that you eat, the time, the food, the amount, whether or not you were hungry when you ate it, and whenever you get up and go outside and get some fresh air and move some. Also please list the foods that you believe are available to you,, a complete list. I think this will help some of us to hopefully steer you away from some potential future mistakes.
Title: Re: Sorentus' Journal
Post by: Sorentus on April 18, 2014, 08:34:06 am
Well im always hungry and I was doing beef heart then fat then beef heart, I also tried a combination of heart and fat at the same meal.
I'll have to do start from scratch and ill be happy to post my daily regiment if it can help, I will post my overall activity level and everything i ingested.
Today would be:
Slept till 11pm to 9am, I went for a walk and bought 2 can of whipped cream YES SHAME ON ME! (I wanted to make sure i killed my hookworm as I bought 1 can a few day earlier and its thought to kill the worms in one go but I haven't felt any effect and no bowel movement. Someone also said that it didn't work for him so I bought 2 cans, took them both in a 1 hour period from 10am to 11am, YES that's 1 pound of whipped cream, broke my ketosis and fed the bacteria and inflamed my gut(I hate myself enough for doing so).
I was able to get a few painful bowel movements with blood in my stool, dry stools.I went back to sleep for about 2 hours then I took a shower for the first time in a week(gross right? I'm takes all my energy to shower and then I led in bed all day listening to music and resting.
I had my 12 egg yolk with 10g gelatin at 1:30pm followed by no food and some water till 6:30 where I had 6 caps of spirulina with water.
I'll have 12 egg yolk with 10g gelatin again before bed tonight. Btw I'm also adding organic stevia drops to my yolk.
The food that would be available to me would be beef fat (I also got to try that suif thing and it is MUCH easier to digest, no nausea and almost no stomach burn but it still feels like a load of rock in my gut. I can tell the quality if much better then that of his regular suet. Then of course, beef heart, tongue and a liver in the frigd, these are the one I have in stock. I was planning to buying 2 beef brain and kidney but now I'm reconsidering it. I also have access to grain-fed antibiotic free and hormone free chicken eggs, that's the one I'm eating atm.
Anything else would be conventional supermarket food so any non organic food, grain fed meat.
Title: Re: Sorentus' Journal
Post by: LePatron7 on April 18, 2014, 09:09:10 am
I don't think pulling a fast till you die will work unless your name is AV and you're in the woods with coyotes.. Lol jk!!!
It sounds like your digestion is in really bad shape. While I know most would say the brain/nervous system is the most important system, they're all important. If the digestive system isn't working right, it'll hinder every other organ because the rest of the body depends on the digestive system for nutrient uptake. If I were you I'd focus on healing your digestive tract.
Being that you have nothing else to lose (you're considering fasting to death), I'd recommend drinking clean water and trying some ionic magnesium with an unrefined salt temporarily. A good ionic magnesium supplement would be Blue Ocean Minerals. A good unrefined salt would be Redmond's Real Salt. You could put the RDA into a mason jar, dilute it with clean water, and drink a little through out the day. You could fast doing that - just having some unrefined salt and ionic magnesium and making sure you drink enough water to stay adequately hydrated (don't go above RDA for salt or magnesium).
Those ionic minerals might be able to get absorbed by your digestive tract (individual ions require no breakdown by the digestive tract). If the microvili/cilia are really messed up it'll make it harder to digest food (a lot of foods require enzymatic digestion, which requires microvil). A good dietary strategy would be to work on recovering those microvili. Maybe try something like The Specific Carbohydrate Diet, but tweeked to be cooked vegetables/fruits and raw animal foods. Cellulose is very hard for humans to digest and an impaired digestive tract won't break it down well, and that could exacerbate your condition. The legal carbs on the SCD are mainly simple sugars (individual sugar molecules also don't need breaking down), so they don't require break down so with or without enzymes in that regard it doesn't matter. Ideally once your problems are resolved, you could introduce those fruits and vegetables raw.
Good luck.
Title: Re: Sorentus' Journal
Post by: Sorentus on April 18, 2014, 09:57:57 am
I don't think pulling a fast till you die will work unless your name is AV and you're in the woods with coyotes.. Lol jk!!!
It sounds like your digestion is in really bad shape. While I know most would say the brain/nervous system is the most important system, they're all important. If the digestive system isn't working right, it'll hinder every other organ because the rest of the body depends on the digestive system for nutrient uptake. If I were you I'd focus on healing your digestive tract.
Being that you have nothing else to lose (you're considering fasting to death), I'd recommend drinking clean water and trying some ionic magnesium with an unrefined salt temporarily. A good ionic magnesium supplement would be Blue Ocean Minerals. A good unrefined salt would be Redmond's Real Salt. You could put the RDA into a mason jar, dilute it with clean water, and drink a little through out the day. You could fast doing that - just having some unrefined salt and ionic magnesium and making sure you drink enough water to stay adequately hydrated (don't go above RDA for salt or magnesium).
Those ionic minerals might be able to get absorbed by your digestive tract (individual ions require no breakdown by the digestive tract). If the microvili/cilia are really messed up it'll make it harder to digest food (a lot of foods require enzymatic digestion, which requires microvil). A good dietary strategy would be to work on recovering those microvili. Maybe try something like The Specific Carbohydrate Diet, but tweeked to be cooked vegetables/fruits and raw animal foods. Cellulose is very hard for humans to digest and an impaired digestive tract won't break it down well, and that could exacerbate your condition. The legal carbs on the SCD are mainly simple sugars (individual sugar molecules also don't need breaking down), so they don't require break down so with or without enzymes in that regard it doesn't matter. Ideally once your problems are resolved, you could introduce those fruits and vegetables raw.
Good luck.
Daboss, If i end up fasting i might give a shot to the mineral thing, i already have potassium on its way and Himalayan pink salt and magnesium citrate but not sure how well those absorb.
Btw no offense but if one is on raw paleo do you not think i tried SCD/GAPS a while ago? I had only cooked veggie when i came out of the hospital because I couldn't tolerate any more food and it worked for 2 weeks until i developed severe inflammation in my intestines again, note that it was a mix of veggies so maybe i was only reacting to 1 or more.
Title: Re: Sorentus' Journal
Post by: van on April 18, 2014, 10:07:33 am
Well im always hungry and I was doing beef heart then fat then beef heart, I also tried a combination of heart and fat at the same meal.
I'll have to do start from scratch and ill be happy to post my daily regiment if it can help, I will post my overall activity level and everything i ingested.
Today would be:
Slept till 11pm to 9am, I went for a walk and bought 2 can of whipped cream YES SHAME ON ME! (I wanted to make sure i killed my hookworm as I bought 1 can a few day earlier and its thought to kill the worms in one go but I haven't felt any effect and no bowel movement. Someone also said that it didn't work for him so I bought 2 cans, took them both in a 1 hour period from 10am to 11am, YES that's 1 pound of whipped cream, broke my ketosis and fed the bacteria and inflamed my gut(I hate myself enough for doing so).
I was able to get a few painful bowel movements with blood in my stool, dry stools.I went back to sleep for about 2 hours then I took a shower for the first time in a week(gross right? I'm takes all my energy to shower and then I led in bed all day listening to music and resting.
I had my 12 egg yolk with 10g gelatin at 1:30pm followed by no food and some water till 6:30 where I had 6 caps of spirulina with water.
I'll have 12 egg yolk with 10g gelatin again before bed tonight. Btw I'm also adding organic stevia drops to my yolk.
The food that would be available to me would be beef fat (I also got to try that suif thing and it is MUCH easier to digest, no nausea and almost no stomach burn but it still feels like a load of rock in my gut. I can tell the quality if much better then that of his regular suet. Then of course, beef heart, tongue and a liver in the frigd, these are the one I have in stock. I was planning to buying 2 beef brain and kidney but now I'm reconsidering it. I also have access to grain-fed antibiotic free and hormone free chicken eggs, that's the one I'm eating atm.
Anything else would be conventional supermarket food so any non organic food, grain fed meat.
12 egg yolks seems like a lot unless you eat them one by one without any thing on them and you want to eat another... Again, it seems like you're overdoing it with one food,, egg yolks for lunch and then dinner. I thought you said beef heart doesn't work for you, but then you list it again?? Please post each meal that you eat. I too second the Blue ocean minerals,, plenty of mg. and balanced ca. and potassium. I'd use them and do without other mineral supplements for the meantime. Did you get outside and walk and breath at least once today?
Title: Re: Sorentus' Journal
Post by: Sorentus on April 18, 2014, 10:38:59 am
Well rather then doing 2 yolk every hour i do 12 every 12hours, it gives time for my body to get a digestive rest... I'm literally starving the whole day., at the end of the day that's a deficit. You asked me to list the food I had available, yes I have plenty of beef heart "available" as in in my freezer but that doesn't mean i'm eating them. I can't digest them any longer. I said I went for a walk, so yeah I had 30mins of a walk today.
Sure maybe Im doing too much of one thing but then again I got no more food i can eat without insane pain, I had my egg yolk just now and i felt so heavy when my last meal was 10hour prior. 12 yolk might seem like a lot but it doesn't even fill a mug.
12 egg yolks: Total Fat 54.1g Protein 32.4g Carbohydrates 7.3g Calories 646 Is that really supposed to be overkill?
I don't know what to do, i cant do meat any longer no mater how tender or baby mashed it can be and then i cant do egg yolk apparently(I can feel my body struggling harder every time I eat ANYTHING, yes even the spirulina), i surely wont be able to do egg whites, seems like ill have to just mineral fast for a while. I could do fruits but then ill be bloated beyond belief and look 9 month pregnant and it will feel very good for 2hours then ill have all my liver and stomach being digested by bacteria. yeh I don't see any issue out of it beside fasting. Maybe I'll just try 1 yolk every 4 hours or some shit.
You asked me to post if I took a walk, what i ate and the time, is that not what I did?
Title: Re: Sorentus' Journal
Post by: van on April 18, 2014, 01:24:36 pm
If you're actually liking the taste of one yolk eaten by itself, no sweetener, then another,,,, fine, eat twelve. But to say to yourself, I'm going to eat 12 now and 12 later... that is just using thought to decide what you need. I'm hoping others will chime in here. But I still suggest variety, and choose according to taste and smell, and stop eating way before you're full, which means eating probably more often. You need to source out grass fed (if you haven't already) different cuts of meat/organs, and eat them fresh, preferably aged, if that tastes good to you. Great that you got out and walked,, now try that a couple of times a day. I don't know when you say how you suffer from fruits, but eat small portions, and wait 30 minutes before your next protein or fat meal. I'm thinking as long as you follow your tastes and don't eat more than your stomach can handle your distress should end. SO, don't fast, and don't stuff.
Title: Re: Sorentus' Journal
Post by: jessica on April 18, 2014, 09:44:47 pm
sorentus, how much spirulina are you taking? what is your source? you know spirulina is high in copper right?
from everything you posted it seems you do fine on foods for like a week or two, but it seems like in those weeks you are only eating certain foods. why not switch it up daily. egg yolks today, then slowly introduce some type of recently tolerable meat/organs/fat tomorrow maybe with a few yolks? then a day of yolks again, then maybe you might crave something else for a day and want a little of that, then meat/yolks for a day again, and then another yolks day?.....perhaps that will get your body out of its rut and able to start a dialogue with what foods are tolerable or not? or perhaps you have already done that?
i know that my body will become "allergic" to anything i eat to frequently or in too large of quantity. so maybe this would be a way for your body to overcome the threshold it seems to reach when it hits its tolerance level of certain foods, by just never letting it get to that threshold?
its pretty apparent that everyone reacts differently to everything, the blue ocean minerals that van and daboss like make my teeth hurt and make me feel horrible, and i do better with other types of seasalt. so hopefully you aren't too discouraged or thrown off by all of our advice and realize that you are the only person who is going to know what is going to be good for you
Title: Re: Sorentus' Journal
Post by: Sorentus on April 18, 2014, 10:49:11 pm
Yea jessica, i would think i should be able to reintroduce veggie for dome time before i get intolerant, i think ill try them and cut before i get intolerant. I had some egg white without gelatin. Feels like im about to get diarrea but im of course completely constipated. One thing i keep hearing to do are coffee enema, damn i feel like ill have to try them at this point. And i didnt know spirulina was high in copper, i knew liquid chlorella was. I get 6 caps of hawaiiyan spirulina pacifia.
Title: Re: Sorentus' Journal
Post by: jessica on April 19, 2014, 12:11:53 am
how is your caffeine tolerance? coffee enemas are pretty harsh, just know that. I would definitely try the magnesium first and see if that doesn't help your constipation, and help your ability to eliminate before you think of doing a coffee enema. in my experience they have been more draining feeling then anything, they would give me a similar or stronger boost of energy and anxiety as coffee but then really make me feel like shit later. coffee tends to be high in copper fyi.
are you planning to take the spirulina everyday? you might consider also cycling between that as well, one day on one day off, just so you don't build and intolerance to that.
do you drink water during the day?
Title: Re: Sorentus' Journal
Post by: jessica on April 19, 2014, 12:41:37 am
you might want to read about paleo phil and pyroluria, or h pylori. and how its helped with b6, and how b6 and zinc are pretty crucial for bacterial overgrowths.
Title: Re: Sorentus' Journal
Post by: Sorentus on April 19, 2014, 01:55:46 am
Jessica I just did a coffee enema and although it is taxing on the system (energy wise) it just allowed me to pass out ALL my dry stool effortlessly, I used magnesium citrate just so many time before and I can't stand it anymore, my bowel are tired of it and it gives me bad cramps and hell it doesn't even do a proper job. Coffee enema feels amazing lol i haven't had such bowel relief in forever, im planning to doing this way more often. Ironically i heard that coffee enema are very good for copper/mineral detox as they gets release from the colon and it helps the liver flush things out more easily.
I think it makes sense that you would get a drain of energy because you cleanse yourself, just like when you get die-off you also feel like crap but its for the better in the long run. About spirulina, I dunno, I feel like I might wanna take green like kale or spinach in a blender but im wondering if I should take it raw or cooked, apparently cooked is better but in the raw paleo world, is it really?
Title: Re: Sorentus' Journal
Post by: van on April 19, 2014, 02:08:41 am
as mentioned to you before, with kale or spinach, forget the blender (it oxidizes and will mask any sort of a stop as to how much your body, not your mind, needs). Chew leaves thoroughly, either swallowing the fiber or spitting it out after sucking the juice out. Vegetables are predominantly carbs. Carb digestion begins in the mouth, and chewing activates that digestion. Stop putting kale in your mouth when it no longer is appealing. You will have had enough at that point. Wait at least 30 minutes before eating meat or fat. Your stomach will be very alkaline and meat will not digest well. And fat will coat the particles of kale, making it more difficult to digest. A small amount of fruit seems to work fine though.
You need to get out of your head, and start tasting a whole variety of foods to inform you what to eat. Your mind will get it wrong most of the time, just like Vegas.
Title: Re: Sorentus' Journal
Post by: Sorentus on April 19, 2014, 03:16:18 am
I find my mind always tell me to wrong things, it tells me "try this or eat now and do that, when I know damn well that its going to set me back" I'll go buy some green and follow your advice of using it without a blender, i think it makes much more sense. I can tell when im getting too much "not regarding satiety as nothing curves it but rather how much my body can handle" I just always get so hungry that i sometime eat more then i can handle, the thing is i cannot handle what my body would require. I can only handle eating baby portion when my body is already so devoid of nutriment and thin.
Title: Re: Sorentus' Journal
Post by: van on April 19, 2014, 04:41:46 am
good, that's my point,, you'd ingest far more than your Body would want with a blender to get that full feeling. You're not supposed to get full on greens, unless eating one leaf after another leads you there by taste alone.
Title: Re: Sorentus' Journal
Post by: jessica on April 19, 2014, 08:02:38 pm
Sweet, glad you found some relief. I mentioned magnesium because I thought you had another form? Or perhaps were waiting on some?
Title: Re: Sorentus' Journal
Post by: Sorentus on April 20, 2014, 12:28:10 am
I take magnesium in the citrate form since a while for constipation relief. I decided to go with a coffee enema in the morning daily, I even went ahead and bought coffee meant specifically for the purpose of enema, it seems to be very promising but just like with everything I tried, who knows if it will work long term. I was able to eat a lot of fat last night without much pain, I felt clogged when I woke up but had an enema with some liver, will see how this goes, crossing my fingers.
Title: Re: Sorentus' Journal
Post by: Sorentus on May 04, 2014, 04:26:59 am
Well so it really seems like I cannot digest animal food anymore, rather it'S eggs white or yolk, pure fat or meat , it all makes my intestines feel clogged, I do 2 coffee enema daily and I've been drinking aloe vera juice, I guess I mus have worms eating my food because I don't get clogged if I eat plants yet I get bloated and get uncomfortable gut symptoms but this is 24/7.
Here is a picture of what I found in my enema yesterday.
This is only one of the few worm looking things I've seen in the 2 weeks ive been doing enema.
Currently finishing my humaworm, taking aloe vera juice daily and rotating antifungals, Grapefruit Seed Extract, turmeric and will add more when I finish humaworm. Think I'll go raw vegan for now, it's not like I want to eat plant, i crave meat but I rather get bloated then feel like im trying to digest rock. I thught it was an enzyme issue but no, I tried adding bunch of digestive enzymes and eating 2 eggs every 2 hours, you know rather then 12 eggs yolk and I still get clogged and feel horrible. So it's not a quantity or digestion time issue.
Title: Re: Sorentus' Journal
Post by: Giantsbran on May 06, 2014, 09:42:02 am
Sounds like SIBO
Have you tried rifaximin
Title: Re: Sorentus' Journal
Post by: Giantsbran on May 06, 2014, 09:45:52 am
By the way... It's weird reading this journal. I can't tell you how much I relate to what your going through man.
I'm in the exact same boat. A year ago I was competing in boxing, and powerlifting, now I can barely make it out of bed. Official diagnoses is CFS. I also have the severe GI symptoms and "pregnant belly". Have lost a good amount of the muscle mass I built up over the years as well. I'm going to give this diet a shot and am currently waiting to see a doctor who specializes in mold and other environmental issues.
My last resort will be to take Valcyte. It's shown some promise in treating CFS.
Have you tried an all raw milk diet? Thinking of giving it a shot sometime. I know there are plenty of dairy critics but I've read some amazing testimonials.
Title: Re: Sorentus' Journal
Post by: Sorentus on May 06, 2014, 11:16:03 am
No i haven't tried raw milk, cant find it here, I would definitively try it if i could though.
Here is another pic of a worm I just got out a few hours ago for anyone it interest.
Btw SIBO would be more a symptom caused by worms rather then be the single cause, imo anyway.
Title: Re: Sorentus' Journal
Post by: van on May 08, 2014, 09:56:04 pm
Is it moving? If so, send it to a lab, and either follow through with herbals or take a few pills for parasites and put this behind you.
Title: Re: Sorentus' Journal
Post by: eveheart on May 08, 2014, 11:32:42 pm
Both of your worm pics look more like mucus stands to me. Mucus makes sense in light of your other discomforts. For instance, the body would produce mucus in response to constipation in its attempt to lubricate the intestinal tract. I used to expel tons of intestinal mucus, but that has gradually diminished as my internal environment cleared up.