These are actually 2 posts I made on another forum in a journal, but I just c&p'd them here...

Hey. Tonight I was in the middle of eating, I'd had enough meat and I was finishing up with some extra fat, close to being satisfied, when my parents started cooking(no foil, and burning) some chicken marinated in predominantly glucose & wheat. This completely messed me up, I couldn't tell how much food I needed any more and I started feeling like I needed to stuff myself irrationally. I didn't, but the smell made me feel really manic, and my stomach become uncomfortable like it was filling with acid. Is this an insulin response to the smell? Will I gradually lose this response or will I just have to try and avoid such smells?

I won't eat the stuff, because I know I'm getting all I need from what I am eating, but I'm worried of the effect the insulin spikes could be having on me. There's no way to avoid that smell, and it could be messing me up without me even touching any inappropriate food. It's going to be affecting my digestion, recovery, and even the insulin could directly be causing damage to my body-tissue. I'm not over my inflammation yet, though it's generally decreasing day by day, and I don't know if I'm going to get over it if the insulin-responses are being forced upon me without me going even touching the bad-stuff.

I have some fat trimmings from a butcher. It's trimmings from fatty muscle-cuts like brisket. I got it on Tues 2nd March. He got it out of some sort of bin and he asked if it was 'for the birds' so I said yes. It has small bits of meat on it from where it was cut off. How would this kind of fat last? Is it bad if it goes off and would I know if it did?

I seem to remember that it tasted much nicer on the first day I got it, and not so nice now, but then I had been rather low on fat before I got it. It doesn't have any visible growth on it though, nor smell noticeably bad. I had some suet before, I don't think it was from the kidneys because it was fine cold, not powdery and it was nice and creamy. That had some contrasting growth on it after a while(black, green or something quite different to its' off-white colour).

I've been keeping the trimmings refrigerated and in a bag. I heard that anaerobic bacteria can't eat fat, but then there are small amounts of meat left on parts of the fat and I don't know if this could be a problem. Are any aerobic bacteria acid-resistant or can cause indigestion/are bad?

Thanks for any responses. I just don't want to get any problems which could've been avoided. I'm not just asking if it's life-threateningly dangerous, but I've had problems from eating off-meat(However, I don't know if it was fully exposed to fresh, open air if it'd be different, as I've heard that some finer commercial meat is even aged slightly) and I'm past that by getting fresh-meat every day, I just don't want to get more of these problems by possibly eating off-fat.

Thanks.

Interesting documentary, I've only seen the last 3/4 of what I hope is the first episode(of 3), as I'd like to see more:

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/alone-in-the-wild

I got a similar feeling watching it, to when I watched 'Spring, Summer, Autumn, Winter and Spring', a film which Nation(I think) has mentioned on this forum before.

Has anyone noticed that they can smell when someone has cancer..?

This is very off-topic, but I just wanted to see... It's not that I think it's an unusual thing to be able to smell it, I was just wondering if anyone had actually noticed that they can.

If you eat one meal a day: A while(several hours, maybe 3/4) after that meal do you find yourself needing to drink a lot and excreting a lot of fluids? Do you know what this is?

The above also coincides with a drop in energy/heat etc for me... I don't know if it's just removing one or the other/both between ketones/amino acids though. Anyway. How does your body get energy and protein outside of this post-meal period? I've heard a little about collagen being used as the protein equivalent of adipose, but I've been able to find little on the subject and I don't know how readily/efficiently this process would be used if at all. As for energy, does the body readily and efficiently use triglycerides from adipose tissue? Someone, I think quoting from 'the bear', said that dietary fat will not be stored, and will just be used from when you eat it. If so, eating only one meal a day I don't see how one would have energy outside of the post-meal period(up to 6hrs?). Unless he was just saying that it won't accumulate excessively and rather will only be stored after depletion?

Recovery. Again, with regards to the use of adipose/possibly collagen, I don't know if this would be an efficient process and whether it could only occur during sleep/rest or something. This person quoting from 'the bear' said that muscle-glycogen is not used on zero-carb. If so, when a feeling of being physically drained is in effect, I don't understand how the body actually recovers, aside from simply repairing the muscle which would not be the issue here. Is it possible that after a while on zero-carb the muscles learn to store energy in some other equally good form as muscle-glycogen, or maybe even convert fat efficiently in to glycogen? Or does the body simply become efficient at breaking down/re-storing triglycerides in adipose, maintaining the appropriate ketone(and whatever else?) level in the blood and remove the need for muscle-glycogen? This same person said that as long as one consumed enough fat one wouldn't need to convert amino acids in to glucose. Just bringing that up as I wondered if this is what the body may have to resort to in the absence of carbs(amino acid -> glucose). This same person said that they rarely ate liver due to the carbs, but they ate '18-24 eggs'(I think only the yolks though) per day. The source I found said 0.6g carbs per yolk, but of course size can vary.

This person(yes I mention him a lot in this topic, just a guy poting on Sherdog called Solkanar who claimed to eat only rare beef & eggs[don't know if cooked/raw but I think just yolks] for 4years) however, seemed to be trying to be trying to convince people that you would be healthy eating this way even living a sedentary life. Saying he only worked out twice a week for 30mins at a time, sat on his backside the rest of the time, dietary fat can't be stored etc.. Considering this was an MMA forum it seems rather an odd angle to go for. He did however say that he'd previously been active in the military within the first few years of being on this diet and that he completed vigorous hikes but I don't know what this says.

Responses appreciated.

From eating ~only raw animal foods, with ~no fiber in your diet, would the digestive tract decrease in capacity?

I'm just going to list some random points as I couldn't think of any way to structure them(some are agreeing and some conflicting):

Carnivores have a shorter digestive tract, some people say this is because meat goes off faster than vegetables, some people say this is because they don't need to eat so much because animals are more nutrient-dense; many carnivorous reptiles will eat one massive animal and sit digesting it for many weeks; if I eat a few bananas, I feel their effect shortly afterwards 'at the other end'; food-products containing no 'official' fiber can have a laxative effect on people(honey for one); I don't know if the effect from bananas is due to the fiber 'pushing stuff down' because it's taking up space, or due to the digestive tract trying to get rid of the fiber; if there is not much waste left in the digestive tract from eating animal food, it may be hard for a wide digestive tract to squeeze out the waste, which could then go rancid inside the tract(possibly causing discomfort?).

From "QI" Chit-chat on tv: In the past, poor people have been the most susceptible to tapeworms. These people would be thin, despite eating lots of food. (This came about because they were discussing diet, and after seeing this effect, there were some rich people who wanted to be thin like the poor people, so consumed tapeworm eggs).

Does this not worry you, how many people had tape-worms, and how it affected them? It is just that I am worried that perhaps, the people here who are saying that tapeworms are not a problem, are saying so because they have similar mindsets to the people who consumed those eggs intentionally... That they wouldn't mind, or may even like to have a parasite leeching their energy supply and making them thin.

Thanks.

This morning I had some raw Sardines. I had been at a supermarket fishmonger yesterday and ordered the plain-gutted/beheaded sardines,  he then told me they were out of them but that he would give me the garlic & pepper(sweet pepper, but he didn't tell me either way) marinated Sardines for the same price, which I accepted. Upon taking the packet out of my fridge and opening it, I found that it seemed to have been marinated in olive oil or something similar as well, which had not been mentioned; and it said that it had already been frozen. Anyway, I went ahead and ate the sardines. They weren't making me feel that great but I went ahead and ate around 500g(but that included bones which I left). After that, I had a huge craving for nuts and I ate a load of them. I've been trying to eat carnivorously, and hadn't had more than 15 individual nuts in the last (probably >)6months anyway as they never left me feeling good. However, my body seemed to disguise the negatives until after I'd eaten enough of them, and I did feel very energised by them, relative to what I had been recently... but the negative feelings kicked in not long after too.

The nuts were in a mixed bag(only nuts; not peanuts/cashews) and the overall values were around(xg/100g) 66g fat, small amount saturated; 3.9g carbohydrate, small amount sugars; fairly high fibre, probably ~8g mark but I don't remember and I think the protein is irrelevant as I get plenty of that anyway.

I doubt the reason was the fibre, as there seems to be little beneficial about it; there was only a small amount of carbohydrates and I didn't go for the sugared cranberries in the same bag(though this could just be my 'will', as I have seen nuts as a lesser-negative than fruit, and especially sugar), however I did seek out the almonds particularly and I've heard mention of 'sweet almonds', so I don't know if they have more carbohydrate/sugar.

Which leaves the fat... Is unsaturated fat much easier to digest than saturated in its' raw state? I have felt in general as though I have not had enough fat since raw, but if I've eaten much raw animal fat I've felt unable to use it and it has seemed to clog me up and make me feel sick and slow. When I ate cooked I had a lot of saturated fat from beef/pork/lamb, but that was already fairly soft when I ate it. Does grass-fed beef have much more unsaturated fat? If so, is that the yellow fat that all the beef seemed to have in abundance at Good Samaritan's market? I have really enjoyed that yellowy fat but have only found it in my beef in very small quantities. I don't think I can digest much of the white-fat I've been getting in my beef...

Anyway, something made me go for those nuts, and I felt the energy from them. This seems to show something lacking...

How bad is it to exercise soon after eating, what are the negative effects?

In this case, I had ~500g raw beef, and then began exercising within ~10mins of finishing eating as I had a driving lesson and so was especially pushed for time. The exercise involved 'maximum ROM' contortion of the spine, so there was quite a bit of disturbance to to stomach/gut area.

Will this cause food to pass through undigested and be non-absorbable? Or will it sit in the stomach until the body rests enough for it to continue, thereby risking the food going off within the gut and causing problems later on(since carnivores have specifically short digestive tracts to avoid this)?

Thanks.

Should one still brush one's teeth on a 100% raw carnivorous diet?

I ask this because of several things I've heard regarding the brushing of one's teeth:
1) You shouldn't brush your teeth whilst they have much acid on them, since acid weakens your enamel, so brushing would remove the enamel(once it's gone it's gone - apparently);
2) You should brush your teeth to remove left-over carbohydrates(of some sort, or in general I don't remember), because bacteria(maybe anaerobic, again I don't remember) will turn the carbohydrates in to acid, which will weaken your enamel.

Would anyone have any comment on this food, before I eat it? I just bought some from a butcher...

It seems that these chemicals may be what's in my beef mince... It's horrible... they repulse me, pain my digestive tract, gives me a headache and makes me feel tired... I'll stay away from them now, but I don't know if there's any beef mince without this stuff...?

I'm an athlete. What is good to eat as a last meal, not long before going to bed?

If I have fruit(maybe even with some meat), it means my stomach will be uncomfortable, I'll feel weak and tired and get to sleep fast, and sleep for a long time. Next morning I will feel as though I am fully-recovered: No aching, no tiredness, not feeling like I need more sleep; but I will have some muscle pains/inflammation including in my gut.

If I have meat(~18g protein/16g fat) I will feel strong and I will lie in bed a long time before I can get to sleep, when I wake up I will feel tired, muscles aching, quite dehydrated and feel like I need more sleep(which I don't do); but I will be strong, no muscle pain or inflammation, just ache.

As I am inconsistent, since nothing's been completely comfortable yet, I don't know whether if I were to stick to the meat only before bed(I eat almost solely meat the rest of the time already as I can't afford muscle pain/inflammation during training) I would get used to it and no longer ache or feel tired upon waking, or whether I need to try something different still.

For example: Perhaps eating leaner meat before bed-time instead of fattier-meat. I have my meat(mince) very barely-cooked now, so the fat remains in the meat, but I seem to remember that when I used to microwave it that during the day I would get all the fat up with the meat, and before bed I would leave a lot of the fat out of instinct but I'm not sure. Although I seem to remember being even more dehydrated during the night/upon waking having lean meat before bed than fatty meat.

Anyway, that seems like I've written quite a bit. Responses will be valued.

Thanks.