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General Discussion / How do YOU choose what meat you eat raw?
« on: January 18, 2014, 06:15:15 pm »
This is diverse and maybe even controversial so I'm just wondering what each of you look for personally when it comes to choosing raw meat?

Do you take precautions such as frozen, rinsing, marinaded, rotten, aged, salted, organic, no antibiotics, no hormones, grass fed, grain fed, open farm, closed farm, free range, ect - the list might go on forever - or do you simply not care, or do you believe that bacterias have no risk?

I guess to answer my own question, as you might know I was having an issue with eating organic grass fed beef and despite warnings to not eat grain fed beef, I did anyway, and the result was good. Besides, I love it.
I think you are missing out if you haven't tried it  :D. Grain fed meat is much tastier, meatier, livelier, fatter, richer, just better and it makes me feel amazing.  That organic grass fed meat tasted dull, listless, plain, too lean and sickly but the grain fed has an amazing healthy taste. I also make sure to buy meat from big farms, because they know what they are doing.

I'll tell you some facts I learned from farming below, if you're interested, and you can compare them with all those suspicious Internet facts and inaccurate studies that you can find everywhere online.
Here is an accurate link to an article describing what a healthy diet of a cow should be and how their digestion really works, it gets the thumbs up from me:

I'm sure that we can agree through millions of sources that the bad E.coli known as E. coli O157:H7 is only spread through feces, however after doing a lot of research on its sudden creation or how some sources say "its sudden evolution", I am starting to think of it as a biological weapon and if the first e.coli bacteria strain wasn't manipulated by man and naturally derived from normal feces, it was still used as weaponry like in this case:

Normally I am one of those people who do not care about bacteria, and I do not see huge risks to it, also I believe society has become too clean and hygienic and that is making more people sick, but I do think there is something weird going on with the e.coli strain so I've been researching a lot lately.
I do not trust sources that imply e.coli can cause death - that is unusual unless the persons in question have exceptionally low immune systems, but according to some sources, these few apparently did not. In the cases of the hamburger incident where two young people died and had abnormal symptoms such as seizures and strokes, I think there was something else going on. I don't think that was just e.coli and I am not the type of person to believe everything I read on the Internet. It sounds fishy to me. I like to analyze everything and I'm just saying, I sense BIG warning flags about it. There is something being withheld from the general population in regards to the truth about E.coli, more so these certain events. Perhaps it is as simple as them trying to stage outbreaks of illness by biological warfare of something much worse through other means to make sure people continue to live in blindness to the health benefits of eating raw foods, meats and vegetables alike, maybe it is more ominous than that.

Here is a link regarding the newest strain of E.coli they created and this news only makes me more suspicious about biological warfare. I swear I'm not a conspiracy theorist, biological warfare (in general) is something that is very real, and I have many military friends that can attest to that, they've only had clearance to tell me that HIV, bird flues and the H1n1 viruses are man made warfare so I don't know anything about E.coli or the truth in  this article but I wouldn't be surprised:

Either way, according to every source on the internet and what every human being is brainwashed to know, it's a bad strain of the otherwise really good bacteria, E.coli that lives in animal and human intestines. That’s why the FDA warns us to be careful when eating raw vegetables and to wash any of our produce because even vegetables are planted in soil with manure. E.coli can also make people sick if it gets into water supplies... easy way to attack the population...
This means, if you buy into all of that, the bad strain of E.coli has literally nothing to do with what the cow eats and you can kiss your grass fed arguments goodbye, when it comes to the subject of E.coli. All those studies that "prove" that grass fed farms have less chance of e.coli in meat afterwards really do not prove a thing.

Unless, there is something more ominious at work and it's not just some diareah inducing bacteria that they are putting into our food supplies...

The leaner the meat is, it means the cow was probably skinny, which equals low health quality in livestock. That means the whole fad of "lean meat" might not be so great for us. You want to be eating meat of cows that look literally healthy: not too fat and not too skinny. Unfortunately, it's not like you can go up to the farm and look at the cows you are going to be eating.

No cattle are raised on 100% grains because that would cost the farmer a lot of money. Some beef farmers that send their cattle to feed lots usually just feed grains to cows for the last couple months of their lives, just to fatten them up more, because it gives the meat a nice rich taste, which I prefer…

On our dairy farm cows ate a well balanced diet of mainly grass in the form of hay and silage, corn, sometime alfalfa hay, salt blocks with a never-ending supply of water and there was only a small percentage of grain given. Calves lived on milk until they were weaned, then they would switch to hay and grains. This was the best meat I have ever tasted…

Dairy cows and beef cows raised in small pastures are often dirtier and sicker than cows that live in barns or feedlots. You often hear otherwise on the Internet, but these people stating these claims know nothing about farming. Barns and feedlots are regularly scraped and cleaned. Pastures cannot be regularly cleaned of feces. The cow feces will literally stay in the field. Also, fields become trampled down and get very muddy. On areas where their hooves are constantly trampling, grass will no longer grow.

Somebody in my other thread told me, "cows that are forced to breathe in manure dust all day get sick" but manure does not create dust - it is wet, and regularly scraped away. Barns are well ventilated, usually without an entire wall, half walls or such, proper ventilation in attics, ect, if they weren't they would literally explode due to methane gas build up. Real farmers, at least dairy farmers, are in the barns 24/7, day and night, and they don't get sick either from the smell of manure, it's stinkts but it's not going to hurt you unless you are trapped in a non-ventilated area.

Some sources try to say cows cannot digest grain, or it makes them sick. Those two statements are both inaccurate. Grains are plants. Cows can digest it perfectly fine because they are plant eaters. Again, most farms do not feed cows 100% grain anyway so it doesn't even matter.
Be weary of anything that is "free range". Unless they can roam a never-ending wilderness, they will be unhealthy animals because they won't be cared for properly.
Without shelter from rain, livestock will get sick. Only in dry climates can livestock live outside constantly. Damp and wet environments are unhealthy for them. It would be a bad thing where I live, because it's a rainforest here.

They will not be healthy if they are eating the same feces infested grass over and over again. They need fresh grass to eat. Farms should be supplying new grass to the cows. Grazing from the same small pasture for the rest of their lives will make them sick.
The only way a farmer can duplicate a natural feeding environment is proper agriculture techniques. The farmer you buy your meat from should be doing adequate grass testing to make sure the grass the livestock are eating is healthy.
Your farmer should be plowing the fields and crops. You can bet that most of the small farms owned by hippies that call themselves "organic farmers" probably don't do any of these things, so you really have to be careful about a lot more than reading the meat package for "grain fed" or "grass fed".
This is why, much of the time, beef that is finished off with grain and raised on large farms in the industry, will probably be a lot healthier than buying meat from smaller, inexperienced farmers.
There is a lot more to farming than meets the eye, folks.

Farmers should supplement their diets if they are lacking in certain nutrients, give them proper veterinary care, and add in any vital nutrients to the grass in the field if it is lacking in nutrients for the livestock.

For example, our fields had once been victim to a giant forest fire, this left the soil inadequate in lime, and therefore we had to add in lime but for the most part my dad was an excellent farmer so his crops were always in top shape.
The farmers who took over our farm after we sold it lost half of their herd because they refused to add in lime to their silage and this made the cows ill, but lime is a necessary thing that cows need to be healthy.

Be weary of what kind of grass the animals are eating. Are your farmers experienced or are they just letting the livestock roam free on uncared for grass? Cows need proper nutrition. Sure you can eat grass fed meat, but remember… not all grass that cows eat is exemplary. Silage is also beneficial to cows because it is fermented and good for the gut.

*** It would be wise to remember that sick cows are never butchered and made into meat… They are just killed and left to rot in the woods and given to scavengers.

The reason a lot of big farms fail and lose livestock or have contamination problems are because they are "open farms". Closed farms do not have this problem.
This is probably the biggest thing on my list you should watch out for. Never buy meat from an open farm, because then you never know what kind of contamination the animals have.
Basically, an open farm is the type of farm that will allow you to come to their farm and walk around and look at the livestock. They won't care if you let your dog off the leash to run around the farmstead. They will also buy cattle or animals from other farms or ranches - but all of this creates contamination.
A healthy farm will be a truly closed farm and the farmer will be the type of man who holds a shotgun and shoots at every single thing that comes near his cows to keep them free of contamination. They get salmonella and die if birds crap in their feed. Closed farms will not allow visitors. Nobody but farmers and employees are allowed in barns. The vet and any other visitors that go to other farms must wear new and clean boots before walking onto the farm to make sure the farm does not become contaminated by manure from other farms.
Stray dogs and wildlife that walk around the farmstead will usually be shot, that's just how it goes. A good farmer does not buy cows from other locations, he breeds them himself to prevent contamination.

The truth is you should really be suspicious of the raw meat and raw milk you buy from small-inexperienced farms.

I'm tired of people trying to say that all big industrial farms are bad news.

Most of the big farms that are so successful are successful because the farmers have had farming in their generations for years, they go to agriculture meetings, they stay on top of technology, they educate themselves, ect. Agriculture is a science. There is a lot to it. 
You don't want to go with a small farm because the bigger farms can afford to buy the proper farm equipment to get the job done properly, and smaller farms cannot and face it - people these days are lazy. Chances are, the small farms aren't farming properly. These are the reasons why I prefer to eat the grass fed meat that is fed grain in the last 3 months of their life and farmed by a big farm in alberta over the small tiny farm that sells organic grass fed meat around here. I don't trust small farms.
I actually get digestive issues from the grass fed meat, mainly constipation and gas, but I have no problems with the grain fed meat.
I guess to summarize, I don't trust meat all the time. But I still eat it, how I like it. I enjoy risk taking activities in my life :)

Personals / Courtenay, Vancouver Island
« on: January 09, 2014, 11:13:08 pm »
I'm looking for raw milk and raw cheese products, so if you know anywhere around here that sells it, let me know, thanks :)

Health / raw meat and gas pains?
« on: January 07, 2014, 04:56:18 pm »
I just ate my first completely raw steak yesterday from a different source than usual, although I've been eating raw salmon before this and just lightly seared raw beef. But the problem is I got gas pains and bloated right after and for all day today and even still tonight and am wondering if that is normal or what it could be? I'm pretty sure it was the meat because it started a couple hours after eating it.

Heres some background info that might be useful:
I do have a sensitive digestive system (in working order now) although am prone to easy bloating due to having eating disorders for 13 years, which I've been recovered from for a couple of years and am in surprisingly excellent health now.
I have a very strong immune system and never get sick. I polar bear swim daily, so I have good circulation and I work out a lot and am strong and at a healthy weight.

I just recently made the switch to eating meat. It's not like I was ever vegetarian but I just never bought it, other than getting sushi once in awhile. So basically, for 13 years of my life I did not have meat or milk in my diet hardly at all, and recently decided to add it.
When I was young I was raised on raw milk because I lived on a dairy farm. I lost the ability to digest milk because of anorexia and losing good bacteria in my gut, but after introducing probiotics, I can now drink milk again. So I also take probiotics daily, drink apple cider vinegar and take enzymes and all sorts of healthy things.

My bloodtype is O positive, so I am a natural meat eater. Also I am metis so my entire race are meat eaters lol. When I first started to eat red meat a few weeks ago, I became VERY hungry after eating a huge steak after another meal, and started craving more red meats, salmon and animal fats and even ice cream a lot more and also seemed to lose my cravings for complex carbohydrates and just prefer meat and some veggies, but I have to eat a lot of food because I am so active and I find eating red meats makes me hungrier and I digest it super fast. It seemed to help my digestion.

So I started eating my steaks blue rare, then I just started searing them so they were completely raw on the inside. I enjoy the taste of raw beef as much as possible - I didn't do the switch to raw for any other reason, I just crave it in taste.
So yesterday I just ate the meat raw out of the package and rinsed it first, but made sure it was organic and grass fed because I read that was supposed to be safe. I've gotta say though it wasn't as tasty to me as the non organic cuts I usually buy but sear first. It didn't taste as rich. For some reason it just wasn't as satisfying, maybe because the cut was a lot thinner and leaner. I think I actually enjoy the somewhat grain fed red meat (the source i get it from in Alberta feeds them grain only for the last 3 months of their lives), it tastes nicer to me and I do like some fat content to it.

So I've been eating raw meats for a few weeks now, and lots of it, the beef comes from a questionable source but is cut fresh daily (sterling silver) but to me tastes heavenly and I was searing lightly but the inside is truly raw and they were very THICK steaks, which I loved. I was also eating half a raw salmon a day that had been frozen previously but that I just pick up already thawed from the meat counter, sometimes with slices of avocado. The salmon never gives me issues.
I had 0 problems eating these things, in fact felt really amazing while eating them.
I've never eaten the organic steaks before, simply because they aren't that big and they look very thin but I decided to try the organic one raw so it would be safer.

I just find it strange that after eating completely uncooked, organic, and grass fed beef that I am experiencing very bad bloating and gas pains today! Also I had a nightmare last night, I wonder if it's related?
Maybe the non-organic steaks I've been eating regularily would be better for me to eat raw?

I don't know if it's bad bacterias, or good bacterias killing off bacterias or if it's something I mixed with it - I ate the meat alone, but not long afterwards had a craving for haggen daz caramel ice cream LoL, and then got ravenous so I ate a huge peice of raw salmon and two heads of cooked broccoli. That's usually how I eat - lots LoL. Then I drank tons of water with pure cranberry juice and took some fiber powder like usual. I get really hungry a lot. I don't eat my veggies raw all the time anymore because they are harder to digest raw, but I still do like my occasional raw vegetable juice. I've actually not been eating vegetables much as I used to in the last week or so!

Suggestion Box / complaint about annoying verification requests
« on: January 07, 2014, 04:09:53 pm »
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I probably won't be able to handle this nuisance for much longer.

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