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General Discussion / Re: How do YOU choose what meat you eat raw?
« on: January 18, 2014, 08:07:04 pm »
man its lucky y'all got here first cause my first response would have been to troll back. this backwards french? canadian farm boy if he is telling the truth is just spouting off ideas he grew up with on the farm or from his modern farm buddies. some old farm boys do greatly prefer grain fed- usually not raw though.  dont tell me no horseshit about barns being clean. animals raised in barns are way more likely to develop  lung problems. i came down with a case of barn lung myself once in humid weather.  some grass fed meat certainly  could suck. know your farmer. never buy meat from a place you can never visit. usually  even if they say one hundred percent grain i do not think it can be. they at least need moldy hay or straw or wood pulp or bark or shredded plastic or some kind of roughage or i dont think they  can digest tthe grains as they will pass through too quickly. however not one hundred percent on that.
and fuck you too. I never said barns are clean. I said they are cleaner than pastures. Learn to fucking read people. Also, I'm a female.

General Discussion / Re: How do YOU choose what meat you eat raw?
« on: January 18, 2014, 08:04:17 pm »
Whoa that is uncalled for. Your post is the only nonsense I see, ironically speaking, first of all, you are completely rude and mean for no reason and you have the nerve to call me a troll? You base your response on irrevelent insults, making it personal towards me, calling me stupid, and you are being unfactual. I have never heard of anyone vomitting from the taste of grainfed meat, it's why they serve it in top restaurants regularily, it is known to have a nicer taste and is more expensive because it is a delicacy and millions of people here order these steaks blue rare and do not vomit all over the tables. I don't know where you are from, but that is not the case here.
No "we" don't all go for raw grassfed meats, in fact most people where I live don't even eat cooked grassfed meats, because they aren't widely available. This is a farming community, and 100% grass fed is quite rare. I have talked to many other raw paleo dieters who do not, and if you took a look at my first post in this forum, you would see I was genuinely concerned as to why people choose to eat grassfed, so why don't you just speak for yourself, holy fuck. 

Most farms do not feed cows on 100% grain diets. I am not from the states. I am canadian, I have made that obvious before, and maybe before you impuslively decided to insult me, you should have looked at my other posts beforehand. Besides, the meat I eat is obviously not 100% grain fed as I already stated.

Your statements have no proof to them. Small farms are not generally healthier than large farms.  Have you ever owned a farm? From your response, I highly doubt it.
Whatever. I don't give a fuck.

I was just trying to start a topic to see how everyone here does it and decided to include my personal thoughts. You never had to agree with me, but I don't appreciate you being a giant douche bag towards me.

I'd like to know are you always this rude to newcomers? What a terrible thing to say to someone. I think I've been actually doing my best to try and help people out with my advice, but i don't need to stay here and take this shit from you.

Fuck Im definitely out, not coming back to this forum. I hope you get kicked out someday for treating people like this.
Ya feel good about yourself now?

The first post is such utter, abject nonsense that I am pretty sure the poster is some sort of troll. First of all,  almost all RVAFers find the taste of raw, grainfed meats to be absolutely appalling. Indeed,  at the very first few months of the diet I  myself went in for raw, grainfed meats and I found it very difficult not to vomit afterwards. If I hadn't had access to raw wildcaught seafood and finally some raw, grassfed meats I would have been forced to give up on this diet.

We all go for raw, grassfed or raw wild meats, the issue of frozen etc. are irrelevant for most.

Then there is the appalling outright lie/absurd claim  that cows are not fed on 100% grain diets. I mean, no one could possibly be that stupid  so I call troll... For the record,  there are huge government grain-subsidies in the US and elsewhere that make it very profitable indeed for farmers to raise their animals on 100% grain diets. I have even had farmers in the UK proudly proclaim to me, often, that their cattle were fed on 100% organic, grains-filled diets, little realising that they were frightening me off.  Raising cattle on grains during the last feedlot months is also stupid since studies have shown that the resultant nutritional content is almost as bad as with cattle fed exclusively on grains throughout their lives.

Another point is that  meat from small-time farmers is WAY more likely to be healthier than the horseshit peddled by large agricombines. The large agricombines are solely focused on profit so are happy to feed their animals on unhealthy processed foods and are solely interested in quantity over quality. My  own experience is typical of most RVAFers in that the small-time farmers I dealt with  always had higher quality raw meats than the larger producers. Closed farms which allow people to inspect their animals  are the lifeblood of Primal Dieters etc. in the US who depend on such reliable sources rather than relying on food from large, far-away,  extremely dodgy  agricombines who routinely lie to their customers because they don't care.

I knew what you meant. I didn't misinterpret you. Nor did I mis-speak, or mis-type as the case may be. Doing 30-40 second, high intensity running sprints is perfectly good preparation for long distance running, with less wear and tear on one's body. Lifting heavy weights for 30-40 seconds or until failure is a perfectly good way to build muscular strength and stamina.

I'm not going to argue with you on this anymore, as I have better things to do. If you want to do your long, low intensity workouts, you're welcome to do them. Just realize that the science (and people's experience) suggests your workouts are less useful than you assume them to be, and they will cause far more wear and tear on your body.

Good luck with your pursuits.

There are benefits to each, but they both don't do the same.
Long workouts will work the slow twitch muscles, fast workouts work the fast twitch muscles.
Sprinting will not "help" a marathon runner run for longer, only running longer will do that.

A good athlete will incorporate both things in their fitness routine however. They will do long workouts, and short workouts. They will switch it up so they don't get stuck in plateu.
This means they will be focusing on building strength with heavy weights. They will focus on muscle endurance by toning as well, which is completely different. They also do all sorts of fast twitch things, such as explosive plyometric jumps to train for their certain sports, stair running, sprinting, or even extreme forms of HIIT.
Someone who workouts out perfectly will have a good balance, and will cross train and they won't do the same thing all the time like most people do when they go to the gym.


What do you think one may expect to get out of this workout?

Do you think one has to do this daily to receive results?  Or does one do it every other day in order to allow recovery time?

No. That is not HIIT. If you want to do HIIT, you need to look at the Tabata. And you can only do the Tabata with a fast movement, such as speed skipping or sprinting and the whole point of it is to push yourself to extremes, until your lungs feel like they will burst, until you are lightheaded, until you literally feel like vomitting or passing out, if you can last for more than a few minutes, you are NOT doing it right. Even the most FIT person in the world should not last until after the recomended Tabata time of only 4 minutes, without feeling they are about to pass out. It would be too dangerous for swimming.
You can also do this with speed training for martial arts, such as fast roundhouse kicks, speed punches, but never switch up to pushups or anything that gives you a break inbetween the fast intervals.
REAL Hiit does not give you a break interval, they are all intervals of very fast, lightning speed movements.
It is not advised for unfit people to do because it rises your heart rate and hurts your lungs, but it can improve the cardiovascular health of a fit person.
HIIT does not burn fat. It is anerobic. But it stimulates EPOC, which helps you to burn fat easier for the following week IF you do mild cardio the following week. You do NOT need to do HIIT every other day, in fact it is advised only once a week, if you are really insanely fit, you can do it 2 times a week, but no more.
It is so intense that you should NOT do any other form of workout for the rest of the day.

Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: Starting work out routine. suggestions?
« on: January 18, 2014, 07:12:08 pm »
Can you post an example of how much you currently eat?

You should eat a lot if you are going to be turning into a basketball player  ;D You'll probably have to eat like athletes do, eat less than usual the day of your game or training and gorge a lot on food the next day(s).

If you work out lots you might find you'll have more of an apetite in the evenings and might want to keep your meals lighter during the day.

Plyometric jumps will be good for basketball, but be careful with those, not so great on the knees or back if you have problematic areas there.

Basketball isn't aerobic. It consists of a lot of sprints and high intense activity, thus it's anerobic and alot of it - which means you are going to need to eat carbs, and a lot of them, because anerobic activity burns nothing but carbs. It does not burn fats, or protiens. If you don't want to eat complex carbs in your diet, you can't do intense workouts, all you can do is mild to moderate aerobic activity...

Dumbells are better for strength training than bands.
Strength training is also anerobic.
So are plyometric jumps.
So nothing you have chosen to do is an adequete form of fat burning activity, just so you know. If your goal is to burn fat, those things won't work. You will need to add in something like fast walking, jogging, moderate running, biking, swimming, something that you can breathe while doing and isn't as intense.
But you burn aerobic calories by just breathing anyway. So you should still be eating fats.

Hey everyone. I plan to start exercising more.

I have resistance bands (Terrel Owen's Bodylastics).

I also have Air alert III, a workout routine to jump higher.

I play lots of basketball. So I'm planning to start exercising with those.

Does anyone have a suggestion of how much to eat per day?

I'm all fruits, veggies, raw honey, and raw beef, calf liver, salmon.

I've been doing about 3 oz of various meats plus certain fruits, rarely veggies. Some regular foods too since I'm tight on money.

I wish that more people would turn to naturopathic medicine, there are so many people I know that are dying right now and it's not like I can make them change their lifestyles or to embrace there are so many cures out there that are natural and that do work, it's aweful

General Discussion / Re: How do YOU choose what meat you eat raw?
« on: January 18, 2014, 06:34:51 pm »
Could you provide an abstract?   ;)

What's your answer?

General Discussion / How do YOU choose what meat you eat raw?
« on: January 18, 2014, 06:15:15 pm »
This is diverse and maybe even controversial so I'm just wondering what each of you look for personally when it comes to choosing raw meat?

Do you take precautions such as frozen, rinsing, marinaded, rotten, aged, salted, organic, no antibiotics, no hormones, grass fed, grain fed, open farm, closed farm, free range, ect - the list might go on forever - or do you simply not care, or do you believe that bacterias have no risk?

I guess to answer my own question, as you might know I was having an issue with eating organic grass fed beef and despite warnings to not eat grain fed beef, I did anyway, and the result was good. Besides, I love it.
I think you are missing out if you haven't tried it  :D. Grain fed meat is much tastier, meatier, livelier, fatter, richer, just better and it makes me feel amazing.  That organic grass fed meat tasted dull, listless, plain, too lean and sickly but the grain fed has an amazing healthy taste. I also make sure to buy meat from big farms, because they know what they are doing.

I'll tell you some facts I learned from farming below, if you're interested, and you can compare them with all those suspicious Internet facts and inaccurate studies that you can find everywhere online.
Here is an accurate link to an article describing what a healthy diet of a cow should be and how their digestion really works, it gets the thumbs up from me:

I'm sure that we can agree through millions of sources that the bad E.coli known as E. coli O157:H7 is only spread through feces, however after doing a lot of research on its sudden creation or how some sources say "its sudden evolution", I am starting to think of it as a biological weapon and if the first e.coli bacteria strain wasn't manipulated by man and naturally derived from normal feces, it was still used as weaponry like in this case:

Normally I am one of those people who do not care about bacteria, and I do not see huge risks to it, also I believe society has become too clean and hygienic and that is making more people sick, but I do think there is something weird going on with the e.coli strain so I've been researching a lot lately.
I do not trust sources that imply e.coli can cause death - that is unusual unless the persons in question have exceptionally low immune systems, but according to some sources, these few apparently did not. In the cases of the hamburger incident where two young people died and had abnormal symptoms such as seizures and strokes, I think there was something else going on. I don't think that was just e.coli and I am not the type of person to believe everything I read on the Internet. It sounds fishy to me. I like to analyze everything and I'm just saying, I sense BIG warning flags about it. There is something being withheld from the general population in regards to the truth about E.coli, more so these certain events. Perhaps it is as simple as them trying to stage outbreaks of illness by biological warfare of something much worse through other means to make sure people continue to live in blindness to the health benefits of eating raw foods, meats and vegetables alike, maybe it is more ominous than that.

Here is a link regarding the newest strain of E.coli they created and this news only makes me more suspicious about biological warfare. I swear I'm not a conspiracy theorist, biological warfare (in general) is something that is very real, and I have many military friends that can attest to that, they've only had clearance to tell me that HIV, bird flues and the H1n1 viruses are man made warfare so I don't know anything about E.coli or the truth in  this article but I wouldn't be surprised:

Either way, according to every source on the internet and what every human being is brainwashed to know, it's a bad strain of the otherwise really good bacteria, E.coli that lives in animal and human intestines. That’s why the FDA warns us to be careful when eating raw vegetables and to wash any of our produce because even vegetables are planted in soil with manure. E.coli can also make people sick if it gets into water supplies... easy way to attack the population...
This means, if you buy into all of that, the bad strain of E.coli has literally nothing to do with what the cow eats and you can kiss your grass fed arguments goodbye, when it comes to the subject of E.coli. All those studies that "prove" that grass fed farms have less chance of e.coli in meat afterwards really do not prove a thing.

Unless, there is something more ominious at work and it's not just some diareah inducing bacteria that they are putting into our food supplies...

The leaner the meat is, it means the cow was probably skinny, which equals low health quality in livestock. That means the whole fad of "lean meat" might not be so great for us. You want to be eating meat of cows that look literally healthy: not too fat and not too skinny. Unfortunately, it's not like you can go up to the farm and look at the cows you are going to be eating.

No cattle are raised on 100% grains because that would cost the farmer a lot of money. Some beef farmers that send their cattle to feed lots usually just feed grains to cows for the last couple months of their lives, just to fatten them up more, because it gives the meat a nice rich taste, which I prefer…

On our dairy farm cows ate a well balanced diet of mainly grass in the form of hay and silage, corn, sometime alfalfa hay, salt blocks with a never-ending supply of water and there was only a small percentage of grain given. Calves lived on milk until they were weaned, then they would switch to hay and grains. This was the best meat I have ever tasted…

Dairy cows and beef cows raised in small pastures are often dirtier and sicker than cows that live in barns or feedlots. You often hear otherwise on the Internet, but these people stating these claims know nothing about farming. Barns and feedlots are regularly scraped and cleaned. Pastures cannot be regularly cleaned of feces. The cow feces will literally stay in the field. Also, fields become trampled down and get very muddy. On areas where their hooves are constantly trampling, grass will no longer grow.

Somebody in my other thread told me, "cows that are forced to breathe in manure dust all day get sick" but manure does not create dust - it is wet, and regularly scraped away. Barns are well ventilated, usually without an entire wall, half walls or such, proper ventilation in attics, ect, if they weren't they would literally explode due to methane gas build up. Real farmers, at least dairy farmers, are in the barns 24/7, day and night, and they don't get sick either from the smell of manure, it's stinkts but it's not going to hurt you unless you are trapped in a non-ventilated area.

Some sources try to say cows cannot digest grain, or it makes them sick. Those two statements are both inaccurate. Grains are plants. Cows can digest it perfectly fine because they are plant eaters. Again, most farms do not feed cows 100% grain anyway so it doesn't even matter.
Be weary of anything that is "free range". Unless they can roam a never-ending wilderness, they will be unhealthy animals because they won't be cared for properly.
Without shelter from rain, livestock will get sick. Only in dry climates can livestock live outside constantly. Damp and wet environments are unhealthy for them. It would be a bad thing where I live, because it's a rainforest here.

They will not be healthy if they are eating the same feces infested grass over and over again. They need fresh grass to eat. Farms should be supplying new grass to the cows. Grazing from the same small pasture for the rest of their lives will make them sick.
The only way a farmer can duplicate a natural feeding environment is proper agriculture techniques. The farmer you buy your meat from should be doing adequate grass testing to make sure the grass the livestock are eating is healthy.
Your farmer should be plowing the fields and crops. You can bet that most of the small farms owned by hippies that call themselves "organic farmers" probably don't do any of these things, so you really have to be careful about a lot more than reading the meat package for "grain fed" or "grass fed".
This is why, much of the time, beef that is finished off with grain and raised on large farms in the industry, will probably be a lot healthier than buying meat from smaller, inexperienced farmers.
There is a lot more to farming than meets the eye, folks.

Farmers should supplement their diets if they are lacking in certain nutrients, give them proper veterinary care, and add in any vital nutrients to the grass in the field if it is lacking in nutrients for the livestock.

For example, our fields had once been victim to a giant forest fire, this left the soil inadequate in lime, and therefore we had to add in lime but for the most part my dad was an excellent farmer so his crops were always in top shape.
The farmers who took over our farm after we sold it lost half of their herd because they refused to add in lime to their silage and this made the cows ill, but lime is a necessary thing that cows need to be healthy.

Be weary of what kind of grass the animals are eating. Are your farmers experienced or are they just letting the livestock roam free on uncared for grass? Cows need proper nutrition. Sure you can eat grass fed meat, but remember… not all grass that cows eat is exemplary. Silage is also beneficial to cows because it is fermented and good for the gut.

*** It would be wise to remember that sick cows are never butchered and made into meat… They are just killed and left to rot in the woods and given to scavengers.

The reason a lot of big farms fail and lose livestock or have contamination problems are because they are "open farms". Closed farms do not have this problem.
This is probably the biggest thing on my list you should watch out for. Never buy meat from an open farm, because then you never know what kind of contamination the animals have.
Basically, an open farm is the type of farm that will allow you to come to their farm and walk around and look at the livestock. They won't care if you let your dog off the leash to run around the farmstead. They will also buy cattle or animals from other farms or ranches - but all of this creates contamination.
A healthy farm will be a truly closed farm and the farmer will be the type of man who holds a shotgun and shoots at every single thing that comes near his cows to keep them free of contamination. They get salmonella and die if birds crap in their feed. Closed farms will not allow visitors. Nobody but farmers and employees are allowed in barns. The vet and any other visitors that go to other farms must wear new and clean boots before walking onto the farm to make sure the farm does not become contaminated by manure from other farms.
Stray dogs and wildlife that walk around the farmstead will usually be shot, that's just how it goes. A good farmer does not buy cows from other locations, he breeds them himself to prevent contamination.

The truth is you should really be suspicious of the raw meat and raw milk you buy from small-inexperienced farms.

I'm tired of people trying to say that all big industrial farms are bad news.

Most of the big farms that are so successful are successful because the farmers have had farming in their generations for years, they go to agriculture meetings, they stay on top of technology, they educate themselves, ect. Agriculture is a science. There is a lot to it. 
You don't want to go with a small farm because the bigger farms can afford to buy the proper farm equipment to get the job done properly, and smaller farms cannot and face it - people these days are lazy. Chances are, the small farms aren't farming properly. These are the reasons why I prefer to eat the grass fed meat that is fed grain in the last 3 months of their life and farmed by a big farm in alberta over the small tiny farm that sells organic grass fed meat around here. I don't trust small farms.
I actually get digestive issues from the grass fed meat, mainly constipation and gas, but I have no problems with the grain fed meat.
I guess to summarize, I don't trust meat all the time. But I still eat it, how I like it. I enjoy risk taking activities in my life :)

Health / Re: raw meat and gas pains?
« on: January 18, 2014, 05:38:31 pm »
Not exactly. Because the foods don't digest properly, the digestive tract acidifies in an attempt to break down the food. Not necessarily because they're alkaline or acid forming foods, like how some promote plants as being alkalizing and meats being acidic.
This is false.

Health / Re: Sleep, anxiety, focusing and thinking issues
« on: January 11, 2014, 03:18:49 am »
People have to be at least honest that they do not yet eat raw meat and should not call themselves raw paleo dieters until then. 

They could call themselves regular paleo dieters trying to transition into raw paleo dieters in the future.

There is a lot of magic in raw meat and raw fat... my driver attests to his 4 years of erectile dysfunction cure with raw beef... he describes the opening of his once dead blood vessels on his penis... and he is now a full fledged playboy... chicks left and right. 

My driver cannot maintain the raw paleo lifestyle because he can't afford it and doesn't have the discipline, but he knows what he has to do when he gets sick again.
It shouldn't matter. You don't have to eat 100% raw to follow a raw paleo diet. If you do, kudos to you. There are many people that adapt and modify their diets while following specific diets for various reasons. I think that should be respected.

I don't like labelling, and figuring there is a certain criteria that must be adhered to, especially for following diets in ancient history that are literally unknown and raw paleo which there are many different kinds and is much more than eating raw meat; in reality unless you own a time machine, nobody can do it perfectly. The whole, "I am better than you because I eat ___ thing" in any diet makes me sad. 

Raw meat is great and has amazing health benefits like a lot of things in this world, but it's not going to magically get rid of stress, that is something that has to be fixed through lifestyle changes,
also, I don't see my place to push it onto other people, especially because most people in my life find it disgusting so I try not to eat it around them as much as possible. They are okay with me eating raw salmon around them only and even that is pushing it.

Warrior does eat raw foods, just not raw meats because they had a problem with it, atleast that's what I read.

I don't eat 100% raw either because I like healthy balance in my diet, but I do eat raw, which is why I am here. I eat mostly raw because I'm lazy and hate cooking LoL. For the record, I don't label myself or my diet as anything because I don't like labels. I eat raw meats not for the reason of following a raw paleo diet but because I like the taste better, but I also sometimes cook meat and it doesn't matter to me because MY ancestors ate it both ways.
Also, I don't always eat 100% paleo according to what my ancestors ate because while I love the way my people ate, I'm not about to go eat trees and bugs and whales hahaha and I also appreciate evolution and the way humans have adapted to digest other things as well and in all, I really love food. I am a healthy person and I like to be healthy more than just following a strict diet blindly.

However I do eventually plan on getting into eating a diet of mainly wild edibles collected from the wilderness around here instead of store bought veggies, this is just because I am quite obsessed about preparing for survival in case earth disasters happen here and grocery stores shut down and also it would help to save money.

I eat raw vegetables but I also cook them because most vegetables aren't actually meant to be eaten raw and can be poisonous without being cooked and I care about my health more than following some fanatical diet. I also eat carbohydrates because i need those as I am an athlete and unfortunately most of the ones I find have to be cooked.

I have no plans to transition completely to any diet 100%, because it would trigger my eating disorders. I can understand that you all might frown upon my way of eating, but I am in exceptional health this way and it is what works for me, I just wished we could all be respectful of what we all eat.



Health / Re: Sleep, anxiety, focusing and thinking issues
« on: January 11, 2014, 02:25:48 am »
Thanks for the response. What is AA? Is it ascension?

I noticed that people who are religious tend to be happier than people who are atheists..

Oh sorry, it's not but ascension symptoms due to the changes in the earth seem to be causing people to be experiencing a whole bunch of interesting physical symptoms and emotional symptoms.

AA is Alchoholics Anonymous and is a spiritual program made to help people recover from addiction, alchoholism but you can use the steps they use for pretty much anything. I think the reason why people are happier from AA is a combination of letting go of things that bother them, and finding a "higher power" helps because it allows people to let go of control and rely on something bigger than them.  It's a good way of life and can be used to let go of anything. Heres a link to the steps:

Health / Re: Sleep, anxiety, focusing and thinking issues
« on: January 10, 2014, 03:35:45 pm »
Hey thunderseeds, thanks for the response. Even though this is a raw paleo forum, I do not consume any raw meat (tried it and could not handle it, even 100% grass fed and finished beef). I eat raw coconut oil, pasteurized butter (president brand, raw butter is expensive), olive oil (COOC certified), grass fed beef and lamb, fruits and leafy greens.

I do have fears and emotional factors... directly tied to acne and my appearance (and being accepted by others).

That's fine, I don't think all raw paleo dieters eat raw meat because many ancient peoples had fires LoL it sounds like you eat well, maybe lacking in other vegetables if you only eat leafy greens, I still doubt it is to do with diet.
Oh, I struggle with low confidence related stuff as well sometimes, that can really add to stress, that's for sure. I don't know what is good for helping that, because the only thing that helped me recover from anorexia and be strong and confident during the weight gain was faith and the "fake it till you make it" approach, and I still do that on bad days, so even when I feel bad about myself I just pretend I love myself and it does work because I start to see myself in a more positive way.

All I know is I've had stress and all that jazz before and the only thing that ever changed it all was the inside work. No matter how healthy I ate, or what I did on the outside, no matter what changes I made to my health (sometimes getting obsessed about it because I felt so bad about myself) the problem was always that I was miserable in some way or another on the inside LOL, and a change in perception is what helped me beat all sorts of things, cancer, addictions, mental illness, ect.
If you are at all spiritual, the 12 steps of AA are wonderful. It's really just a process that leads a person to happiness, they don't have to be an alchoholic to use the steps, but the steps help us to let go, psychologically of things and to find a belief or faith in something else other than being a control seeker or wanting to change things, but it is a spiritual program, whereas you will come to beleive in a "higher power" whatever that is to you haha. Regardless, the steps are quite amazing to utilize to let go and find peace in life.

Insomnia can be caused by something physical though, and I forgot to say if you really are worried, you can always go talk to your doctor, or a naturopath, whatever you are into haha.

Health / Re: Sleep, anxiety, focusing and thinking issues
« on: January 10, 2014, 10:00:38 am »
Hello everyone, i am having problems with stress, anxiety and problems thinking. Essentially, i just cannot seem to think too much or focus on things... And i have trouble sleeping. Is it a magnesium deficiency? Vitamin d?

What foods do you eat? What is your lifestyle like? Are you spiritual or religious at all?

Most importantly, I think you should google ascension symptoms.

I doubt it is diet related.

Magnesium won't hurt to take, it'll help calm you, and the adrenal glands. If you are constantly in a state of adrenaline, you may be feeling this way too. Eventually that can lead to adrenal fatigue, and you will become very exhausted, but in the beginning stages, you are usually full of energy, and agitated.

Stress, anxiety, and agitation are mostly caused by environmental, mental, emotional, and psychological factors and the cure for that is eliminating the causes of stress, overcoming fears, working on psychological issues, releasing any past traumas, doing a lot of self work and most importantly finding relaxation techniques and adding things like meditation into your lifestyle.
If your lifestyle is too hectic and busy, you need to find ways to relax.

Use discernment. You will have people telling you that extreme diet changes might be necessary, however I encourage you to properly research effects of euphoria. It is actually dangerous and unhealthy if sudden, extreme diet changes are making you feel euphoric, it's the first stage of delusion in starvation, like in anorexic patients who feel literally amazing as they continue to starve themselves to death, but when this mental condition is caused by lack of food or nutrients, like in extreme low carb diets, it eventually leads to water loss, brain damage, mental problems, irritable mood, and overall bad health. So especially when you have been feeling not entirely mentally stable, euphoria may seem like a blessing in disguise, but please be aware of it. It is not actually healthy.

To gain a real healthy, calm and balanced and energized sense daily, you'll need to change lifestyle things. Food is just one component of body, mind and spirit. All three must be functioning well.
There are a bunch of relaxing things you can add to your lifestyle. You need truly relaxing things, but also add things that you have a passion for.
Physical activity will help with all the above. People who suffer from fatigue will benefit from it, as physical activity gives people more energy, not less.
People with overactive adrenal glands might become prone to addiction to the endorphins and adrenalin in physical activity, but that is a good thing. Working out will make you happy. It's a natural anti-depressent and mood stabilizer. Just don't overdo it.

For better mind clarity, mood boosters and relaxing benefits, try getting into cold swims.

Lack of sleep will make it hard for you to think properly and focus. Try natural techniques for sleep. When I used to have problems I drank that sleepy time tea or took melatonin, but mostly what worked for me was meditation relaxation techniques.
The one I used to fall asleep was imagining white light upon every breath going through every inch of my body, starting with each finger, and ending at each toe.

Also make sure to establish a proper sleep routine.


General Discussion / Re: Explain to me why we need Variety in our diets?
« on: January 10, 2014, 09:25:50 am »
Oh for some reason I didn't see your first post there LoL lots of good links.

There is a growing mountain of evidence that it's also optimal to feed one's probiotic mutualistic gut bacteria, not just one's own body. See the Old Friends Hypothesis (which Tyler has posted about multiple times in the past, IIRC) and Google "resistant starch," for some more info on that.
That's a link to the magazine article I quoted and linked to.  :D  Here's a link to the study:

Draper, Harold H. (1977) The aboriginal Eskimo diet in modern perspective. Am. Anthropol.79, 309–316.

Unfortunately, it requires payment to view more than a preview.

Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: A vegan forum... bashing raw paleo
« on: January 10, 2014, 09:18:06 am »
Okay I guess no one but myself has topics to add to the omnivore board...

In every example ever that any plant eater has used to bash meat eating, they have never mentioned raw meat.
I thought lots of things, one of those thoughts was 'maybe they just dont know about it'

Who's seen this? haha

This is equally as intelligent but much more amusing:

My sister is one of the against animal cruelty vegetarians. She's the "in your face" kind of vegetarian too, so if you go to a restaurant she'll insult waiters for serving meat, she'll poke and insult your dinner plate and even if someone is wearing fake fur or cute animal ears she thinks it is animal cruelty.
One time we went to Hawaii on a cruise, I was dissapointed that we could drink unlimited amount of free alchohol but that we had to pay for non-alchoholic drinks.
Seeing as I'm a recovering alchoholic, not once did I complain that my family were drinking in front of me the whole time. But one night we sat down for dinner and my sister was again complaining about meat and they ordered alcohol and were starting to get tipsy, so I finally told them it bothered me, and asked them if they remembered that I was an alchoholic.
My sister turned to me and said, "Well I'm a vegetarian and can't eat meat and you don't hear me complaining about being around meat!"
I was so mad she had the nerve to even compare the two, it was the most uneducated statement I've ever heard, besides she complained the whole trip. Vegetarianism is NOT like alchoholism at all.

She was really happy when I got into raw vegan recipes, but she bashes the original paleo diet all the time.

One last story about my sister to end this, and it's a funny one.

One night her and her friends decided to go to a strip bar for the very first time, to watch male strippers. Some very attractive male strippers from Alberta stepped out onto stage and began to take off their clothes. The announcer shouted out, "Now, get ready for some real Albertan Beef!"
So my sister shouts out, "But I'm a vegetarian!!!!!!"
She's a blonde.... and the whole bar thought she was a lesbian that night!

Really, theres a time and place to preach about vegetarianism haha

General Discussion / Re: Explain to me why we need Variety in our diets?
« on: January 10, 2014, 08:44:37 am »
Thunderseeds comment about Inuit having larger livers intrigues me.. Do you have a specific link?

I am on a primarily carnivorous diet, and have had liver trouble in the past. My liver seemed to produce to much glucose which would cause my blood sugar to rise even when fasting. Because of some fluke of nature, or perhaps my mixed native American ancestry, I seem well suited for low carb Paleo. 

I bet having a larger may have enabled carnivores peoples like the Inuit to live without carbs because the liver is able to produce enough carbs through gluconeogenesis to sustain the body functions..

If you're native I hope you have info about how your tribal people ate because that would be the best way of eating suited for you and all tribes varied on foods. Being native means more food allergies to modern food unfortunately. I am native also. You might be blood type O also?, which means you need to eat more meat than most people do.
Most Native American tribes ate some forms of carbs though, but not the typical ones found in society nowadays, so we tend to have more intollerances to those.
Well, you can train your body to be able to eat lots of meat like the inuit but it would take time so you don't cause kidney or liver problems, otherwise the covertion of protien into glycogen causes toxins that overtax the kidney and liver and excess urea so you have to drink a lot more water than most people to cleanse the organs, and drinking pure cranberry juice can help with that. 
I believe in time people can train themselves to eat whatever they want to eat, just do a lot of research first.
If you ever get liver problems again, I thought I'd just mention milk thistle is good for that. I had liver problems before too but that was caused by alchohol LoL and milk thistle cured it super fast!

Just look up "Inuit Diet" on wikipedia. It says,

"Inuit studied in the 1970s were found to have abnormally large livers, presumably to assist in this process. Their urine volumes were also high, a result of the excess urea produced by gluconeogenesis.[9]"

Here is the link to the original study where that information came from if you fancy reading a lot more about their diet and their health, it is quite amazing,
I don't see a button to create links so you might have to copy and paste that.

Health / Re: Enough vitamin K without vegetables?
« on: January 10, 2014, 08:29:11 am »
and many people seem to live fine without them.
There's always a difference between surviving on whatever and being in good health. I prefer the latter. The body is quite resiliant and can survive on anything, it could also survive on nothing for several years, but I don't know why anyone would.
Unless you have an enlarged liver like the Inuit who eat an all meat diet, it's probably not going to be ideal, but that doesn't mean you can't survive on it. It depends if your goals are for optimal health or just survival, because the human body is really capable of surviving on anything for long amounts of time.

Personals / Courtenay, Vancouver Island
« on: January 09, 2014, 11:13:08 pm »
I'm looking for raw milk and raw cheese products, so if you know anywhere around here that sells it, let me know, thanks :)

Health / Re: raw meat and gas pains?
« on: January 09, 2014, 10:52:50 pm »
Thank you for taking the time to explain it to me, it makes more sense now. So the main concern is acidic levels in cows from eating too many acidic foods and not enough alkaline foods which grows the bad kind of E.coli.

You seem like you are pretty smart at approaching this diet, that's good for taking any risks.
E.Coli and Salmonella food poisoning... this is going to sound weird but I really wouldn't mind getting temporary diarreah, but that's just because I get naturally constipated due to a long history of abusing laxatives unless I regularily take my fiber powder, enzymes, apple cider vinegar and stuff. I know it wouldn't kill me because I have a very strong immune system. I've always been undecided when it comes to bacteria, most times it does not scare me at all.
People have always preached to me about not using chlorine in my hottub, but I haven't died from that. I wouldn't care if I bathed in a pond full of gross stuff. I do think that people have more health problems these days because they are too hygenic. I remember back in the day my parent's used to make me and my sister play in dirt, dead things and cow crap and we never got sick Lol true country kids. Now kids aren't allowed to get dirty, are never outside and they are always sick.
The main way to get a strong immune system is to become immune to things in the first place and doing certain activities like hydrotherapy or cold swims also attacks the immune system therefore causing it to become stronger. Also, in the season that the salmon spawn and die in the rivers, I swam with the dead fish carcasses daily. Now they are just skeletons.
I'm a Medical First Responder (very advanced first aid) and work with the Brigade and a whole bunch of ex military people, so bacteria is constantly something we look out for. Sort of off topic, but most viruses like bird flu, HIV and even the flu that keeps coming up like clockwork are all manmade created, it is biological warfare, so we are always learning about how to protect ourselves from viruses and bacterias. But the truth is airborn virus is very hard to spread, so the best way they can make us sick is through food and water supply or through manipulating current strains of sicknesses, not through airborn techniques, but the airborn techniques will make people with very weak immune systems sicker. The whole reason I mention this though is that obviously you only get sick from bacteria through it contacting blood, breathing it in, or ingesting it, ect BUT the only reason people ever get sick from this is because they have low immune systems. If they have high immune systems then NO bacteria would ever bother them, proven by cases of people who have had high risk to certain infections and diseases that are thought to easily spread but never catch it or by the rate in which people cure said diseases or infections that are originally thought to be incurable. It's pretty genious though. They slip chemicals and things into our food that in turn lower our immune systems.
If anything I am more worried about parasites. Yuck. But I do swallow a bit of black walnut tincture often because I like using it on my teeth to help grow back the enamel.

I'd personally never eat raw chicken or pork, I hardly eat those at all cooked, but I was under the understanding that Aajonous Vanderplanits has a theory that pathogens and negative bacterias cannot possibly exist in an environment where there are enough good bacteria to fight it, so sort of dismisses the idea of bad bacteria in the first place, furthermore I read some ideas that apparently pathogens aren't real in the first place LoL. I think people should be cautious about getting sick, especially if they aren't very healthy in the first place.
I mean, I don't have enough experience to tell you what I personally think about all of that but I do compare it to all the horror stories I've ever heard about how people shouldn't drink raw milk because of bacterias. Well I personally grew up on raw milk and never once had a problem with it, niether did my entire family and my friends who came over to enjoy a big cup of it. It's just so sad to me that it became illegal to drink because of bacteria scares. Back in the day when I was a kid and giving raw milk to others wasn't illegal, I remember having friends over and my parent's only allowed my two best friends who were there all the time to drink the raw milk. We sort of knew that giving raw milk to people who have never drank it before or who don't drink it on a regular basis would make them sick, because you have to get immune to it and I don't think that had to do with bacteria. We always just said people had to get used to it first in slow amounts.
I don't eat raw eggs all the time but I have off and on for years, I've never cared about the source but regardless I always buy organic because out of everything, I am more worried about chemicals than I am about bacteria. Chemicals are worse for our health and are very damaging. Just mentioning that because I never got sick from eating raw eggs either and I never looked into where they were from or what the chickens ate.

Cool, somebody else mentioned that I might have had issues with the meat because it was wrapped in the plastic and didn't get to air out enough. I was going to air it out for a few hours yesterday but I decided to let it air out overnight instead and I'm also going out of town tomorrow and I don't want to get gas pains while I'm there haha, so I'll wait to eat it when I get back.
How long do you put a packaged meat it in the open air for after rinsing with salt water?
Does rinsing with salt water kill of bacterias or even good bacterias?
I do like it better when it is left sitting on the meat counter in the open instead of being wrapped up.

It's easier to get sick from bacteria from ground meat over steaks just because ground meat has so many surface areas on it, whole cuts have only one surface area on it.

It's not that the cows are cleaner in the sense that they're isolated, bathed daily, etc. They live in a field, poo freely, etc. But the diet they eat affects the microbial environment within their body.

When they eat grass, everything functions normally and the strains of bacteria in them is safe. When they eat grains, it acidifies their digestive tracts and to survive the bacteria (ie e coli) become acid resistant. Those acid resistant bacteria aren't the normal bacteria present, they're pathogenic.

Just as diets like The Specific Carbohydrate Diet and GAPS diet strive to change the bacteria by changing the foods consumed, grass feeding changes the bacteria present also. I generally wouldn't recommend similar practices with other non-ruminant animals (chickens, pigs, etc).

If you search this forum enough you'll see plenty of posts by people attempting raw diets trying Aajonous' advice of eating lots of raw chicken and it ending poorly. Generally with some serious microbial infection and coming to this forum legitimately thinking it's "detox," very sad. While chicken can work for some people, and I of course encourage self experimentation (at your own risk), I personally have had diarrhea from uncleaned chicken eggs. I've also had loose stools (symptoms of food poisoning) from grain fed ground buffalo that was left in my fridge for more than a day. I can eat ground grass fed veal that's sat there for days with no problems.

While you're right that antibiotics play a part in making pathogenic microorganisms, altering the internal environment (grain feeding) also modifies the bacteria present. A likely reason for why I got food poisoning from grain fed ground meat.

It's your body, and by all means experiment with anything you like - whether it's grass fed or grain fed. But keep in mind that the diet of the animal, and not just antibiotics, effects the quality of the meat and also the microorganisms present.

An fyi too regarding your original post (eating meat rinsed straight from the package). Generally it's best if it's aired out for a little to modify the bacteria present from being store in plastic. If my meat is purchased when in open air, I'll eat it immediately. If it's been in plastic I rinse it with a salt water brine (unprocessed salt plus distilled water), then put in the open air. Then I'll eat it.

That changes the bacteria present. I dry age all my meat using racks in my fridge. I put a big slab of meat on racks and flip them daily, cutting off what I need daily as I go. I'd suspect the packaging and storage of your meat before you blame it being grass fed.

General Discussion / Re: Explain to me why we need Variety in our diets?
« on: January 09, 2014, 11:18:46 am »
Why can certain animals thrive only a certain type of vegetation while we need tons of variety?  What if a person just ate quinoa, berries, kale and some eggs? (just a random example)  Would they eventually become malnourished?    Did early humans consume all types of vegetation or just a few things, etc???

I gravitate to examples of evolution that prove humans and animals can eventually learn to survive on anything.
However, I like basic physiology that proves optimal health equals that we need complex carbs to be anerobic, we need fats to be aerobic, and we need protiens to keep our bodies strong and healthy.
Without carbs in the diet it will lead to euphoria and brain damage, and no energy. Lack of fats and carbs will actually make the body store more fat and people will have difficulty losing fat, although they will lose water weight. Lack of protien has many serious side effects.
Howevre people have been known to survive extremely without on or another, but it doesn't mean they will be in optimal health. 
Survival doesn't necessarily mean being healthy, but the body is able to literally survive on anything or even nothing for a very long time, the only exception being that we always need water.

We've adapted to be able to withstand extreme starvation, and the ability to live without important nutrients in our diets.

People quickly adapted to be able to eat modern foods, while others who did not evolutionize as fast have problems with modern foods.

The inuit people had abnormally large livers, and this was perfectly natural for them because they had to adapt to their environment of very little vegetation and a diet strictly of meats, mostly raw. If just anybody were to start eating that way suddenly, it could make them very sick, like in cases of people suddenly following atkins diets, because their organs have not yet had time to change or adjust to it, and their bodies are not accustom to that much meat in a diet.

But given time, people can literally force their bodies to adjust to eating anything.  That doesn't mean they'll be healthy though.

First nations people here ate a huge variety of things and were never starving even during the winter, because this land was called the Land of Plenty or in the coast salish language, K'omoks. An example of all the wild edibles here are a huge amount of berries, tree barks, trees, saps and syrups, roots, insects, a whole bunch of different plants and fruits, mushrooms. Because this is an island surrounded by ocean and full of rivers and lakes there was/is a neverending supply of salmon, trout, other types of fish, whale, seal, and other sea creatures and seaweeds. Also they feasted on reptiles that live here like frogs and snakes. Wild game has always existed here and were not "brought" here like some islands, because this island is surrounded by a bunch of tiny islands that are swimming distance away, that are surrounded by more tiny islands, so you can literally kayak across to many small islands until you get to the mainland but there are dangerous currents in some places, so we always had elk, beaver, black bears, grizzly bears, deer, cougars and wolves and much more also they ate tons of birds and eggs. Most of these things are also available in the winter. This would be a very easy place to eat a wild edible diet. I'm thinking of starting that someday, but man it would be a lot of work to go collect wild edibles and there's a lot here, but there are also indenticle poisonous things so you have to be sure.

Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: Today's workout?
« on: January 09, 2014, 10:51:02 am »
Maybe you need to diversify your proteins, start eating more offal, seafood, and raw dairy/cheese, eggs, bone broths and even consider gelatin and glucosamine/chondroitin supplements, unless you can get a hold of plenty of gristle or fish carcasses.  This will give your body plenty of different types to choose from and can help aid healing.
Yeah, I've definitely been starting to experiment with bones and gelatins, it's pretty fun but I haven't been eating as much as I should of those and I think those have very critical nutrients that I need right now. I eat tons of seafood. I love cheese and dairy foods, I couldn't digest pure milk for the longest time but after I started taking probiotics for a year I can now. The only downside is I can't find raw milk or raw cheese around here, which I would love to find because I was raised on it, but ever since they outlawed it, it's impossible to find now and my dad who is a farmer, refuses to go steal some for me haha. Well I live on vancouver island in Courtenay, so if anyone knows where to find raw milk around here, let me know!

Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: Today's workout?
« on: January 09, 2014, 10:46:08 am »
What do you do to utilize that high an amount of protein? (I'm calculating roughly over 500 grams of protein in that amount of meat.) Even at half that amount, doesn't most of the protein convert to glucose?

Yeah, normally it would for people but mostly excess protien harms the kidneys and liver because the convertion to glycogen or fatty acids creates toxins as it is not meant to be used as a carbohydrate or fat, but right now what is happening for me is the protien is quickly being broken down for use as a cellular structure repair because there is alot that has to be repaired in my body so there is no excess leftover, but the type of amino acids that are needed for the specific repair of organs are only found in meat and milk, there are other nutrients found in meat that are needed as well, thus I can't use protien supplements or get protien from vegetable sources and I try not to eat protien from other sources or else it won't be used as quickly. Also I cannot eat as many vegetables as I usually do because that would only spike my vitamin levels, as there are many vitamins found in meat, and it would aid in detoxing, which is unneeded right now for my body because it is greatly detoxing as it is, and would interfere with the process of tissue degeneration and regeneration. I also have to drink a lot more water than usual and drink pure cranberry juice because it helps to remove excess urea. It also removes other waste products. It's not safe normally, but I'm doing this under controlled circumstances and this isn't a normal situation, but I feel quite amazing. I wouldn't reccomend it for others but it's good if you are going through a lot of organ changes or cellular changes on a DNA level, which is typically rare right now, if any of that makes sense.
I haven't been able to eat even half that amount though. I also couldn't afford to eat 5 pounds of meat a day. In a typical day the amount of meat I eat is about a half a raw salmon, and maybe two 16 ounce raw steaks, and I'm pretty sure even that's more than most people eat in regards to meat, but I also have to eat a lot more food in general than most people as well because of the amount of physical activity I do and also because its just my body type and I have a super fast metabolism.

Health / Re: raw meat and gas pains?
« on: January 09, 2014, 10:25:19 am »
Here sir, a factual reason not to eat grain fed meat.

^ Many, many articles linking grain fed, feed lot beef (and other animals) to dangerous/pathogenic microorganisms - which is a particularly large risk to take when eating your food raw.

Here are also some health benefits for grass fed meats.
Thanks, I still don't understand this though after reading that link: if the fear is that the meat will contain bacterias as a result of cattle eating animal by products, why would grass fed be any better, especially if it's free range? There would be feces everywhere if it's free range. Most grass fed farmers still fertilize the feilds with cow manure!!!! Cows are messy animals, it doesn't matter what they eat.
I also don't understand still why people seem to think cows should not eat grains, they are after all plants... and cows eat plants.

"'Densely-stocked industrial farms, where food animals are steadily fed low doses of antibiotics... [are] ideal breeding grounds for drug-resistant bacteria that move from animals to humans,' according to the report."
This quote is more like it. It doesn't matter if its grass or grain fed, it's the antibiotics that do it. Thats what i think at least. Antibiotics are bad news in my eyes.

 I'm assuming it's talking about the bad strain of E.Coli, because originally E.Coli is actually a good bacteria. I can see that eating grains might make their stomaches more acidic. But cattle raised on pasture are not generally cleaner unless they have hundreds of acres to roam on with a small herd, because manure gets everywhere, they eat the same grass over and over and manure cannot be cleaned up unlike a barn where there is equipment made to scrape manure and put it in a manure pit. Both barns (or feedlots) and pastures are not ideal spaces for cattle to be raised in. They are meant to be truly in the wild as nomadic travelling animals that do not stay fenced in one specific place. 
In all, if manure is the cause of E. Coli then both grass fed and grain fed cows crap on a regular basis and have the chance for E.Coli, the real question would be, is the slaughterhouse clean or do they clean the cows properly?

What is weird to me though is I had no problem with the non-organic, sterling silver steaks that are grass fed but sent to a grain feedlot for a couple months before they die, and then as soon as I ate that organic grass fed steak from a smaller farm, that is what gave me terrible gas for days then I had diareah this morning. So I'm kind of suspicious of grass fed meats now hahahaa.
I'm not really afraid of E.coli, maybe just a little but generally if you eat raw meat, you'd be risking it anyway no matter what kind it is. That's probably what I ended up getting LoL

I'm just seeing so much conflicting information that this topic confuses me. I'll stick to the grass fed for now, but if I have another problem with it, I'm probably going to be switching back but maybe I'll just stick to searing the outside of the steaks.

Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: Today's workout?
« on: January 09, 2014, 09:48:36 am »
How often do you exercise like that thunderseed?  It's possible that your injuries aren't healing fast because you need to rest.
Yeah it could be part of the reason, me not resting will just add on to the demands of amino acids that I need to repair myself. Mostly it is because I'm lacking in amino acids as my body is going through cellular structural changes right now and I am in need of a lot more protien than usual, so when I eat meat it isn't going to my injuries because my entire body is in need of it right now. I'm actually suppose to be eating about 5 pounds of meat a day, that's abnormal and freaking impossible for me, so that's why it's taking so long for my body to change and heal, because im not giving it even half that amount.

I work out every other day or every second day, sometimes I've taken four days off in a row. When I do my cold swims that exhausts me. I think I get enough rest.
I am not the type of person that enjoys restful activities though, I like lots of extreme adrenaline haha.
 I'm an addictive person and have been known to overtrain. And I mean severely, like I had eating disorders and addiction to physical activity before but now I am recovered and give myself rest days.
But it hurts to walk after awhile, so I haven't really even been walking around and have been getting rides everywhere. It doesn't bother my injury to strength train or swim, but lifting things from a bent over position, sitting, biking, longboarding or walking for long isn't cool.
Physio had me take an entire 2 weeks off of strength training a couple months ago, and only did swimming, pretty much every day.

Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: Today's workout?
« on: January 09, 2014, 09:30:57 am »
I have a lower back injury ...

My injuries are not healing fast enough ...

Have you seen a Chiropractor?  A dorn practitioner?  An acupuncturist?

Have you come across Bone Flesh and Cartilage herbals?
I was taught accupressure and my dad was helping me with that for awhile which helped a bit, but he long since gave up. I was going to physio but it eventually stopped helping. Massage makes it feel better but I can't afford that.
I was told it was Sciatica caused by bulging disc, odd at my young age but I had a previous disc injury from doing crazy plyometric jumps all the time. I've been told I should not do any jumping activies ever again. They originally thought my toe injury was connected to my back injury because at the time I also had numb and tinglies in my leg but last time I went to physio he said it might not be related because he realized the toe was injured by itself.

What are bone flesh herbs?

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