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I've got about 30 or so pounds of eye of round roasts and two unopened 36lb buckets of grassfed beef tallow for sale.  I'm asking half their original price- I'm moving and can't hold on to all of this (and don't have the time to make the pemmican I planned to use them for!)

Great deal if you're local.  PM me if you're interested!

Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Frothy and bubbly urine
« on: April 29, 2010, 06:53:25 am »
Any thoughts on what this means?  The common explanation online is mild to complete kidney failure leading to whole proteins being excreted.  I assumed this was true, but experienced extremely frothy urine 2 weeks into a fat fast.

I've seen this reported by several on carnivore diets, though it is not exclusive to them...

About 5 weeks ago I started feeling good and energetic on my carnivorous diet (after about 5 months of mostly feeling down) and resumed my heavy athletic training, from 4 to 8 hours a day.  I felt great for a few days, upping my food intake to about 4-5 pounds of raw ground beef.  Soon I lost my energy, happiness and drive.  I started sleeping more, feeling irritable, etc.  I ate this much meat for about 7 days after stopping my training, suspecting that I just needed more fuel and I was somehow overtraining.

My muscles felt fine, my recovery was fine; this was not overtraining as I'd experienced before on high carb diets.  In retrospect, this switch was the feeling of being knocked out of ketosis and put back into a sugar burning mode. It took me quite some time to figure out that this was apparently due to protein overdose and the ability for it to knock one out of ketosis.  My diet never dropped below 70% calories from fat, and probably averaged ~75%- this was not rabbit starvation, at least not the way we know it.

It has been 2 weeks now that I've 99% avoided any protein and stuck to tallow exclusively.  I've even fasted 4 days with no food whatsoever and still not returned to ketosis.  I'm going by the bubbles in my urine as a guide to my body still converting protein to glucose, and expect that when the bubbles clear ketosis will kick in.

So my question long would an excess of protein take for the body to excrete?  I'm guessing I built up somewhere from 2500-4000g of excess protein, maybe even had some excess from previously.  Would there be any way to significantly speed the removal of this excess?  (I'm thinking of intense exercise, bruising, maybe even bloodletting?)

I'm starting to suspect excess protein is actually the cause of 99% of VLC/ZC'ers difficulties with energy/adaption.  Obviously most don't eat 4+lbs of meat daily, but I suspect it takes very little excess protein to stop ketosis in it's tracks and induce a constant high insulin state (VERY bad for all sorts of reasons.)

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