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« on: October 18, 2016, 06:49:03 am »
@Sabertooth - haven't gone the blood route.  Not readily available and whatever I do has to be convenient or I just won't do it.

As for salt I take two approaches:
1) I use one of the unrefined "sea" or mountain salts when adding salt to food.  I probably add about 1/2 tsp to things on a typical day.  These salts have a lot of trace minerals that are removed from normal table salt.  Not sure if it makes much difference, but I spend the extra money on the premium salts anyway.
2) I make and drink chicken broth everyday.  I have a large grinder that I made for grinding jerky for pemmican and other odd uses.  I grind whole chickens bones and all, throw them in a large pot, add 1 quart of water per pound of chicken, 1/4 cup vinegar to help dissolve the bones, and then simmer, covered, on low heat for 24 hours.  I loose about 2 qts liquid over 24 hrs so if I start with 10 lbs of ground chicken and 10 quarts of water I end up with 8 finished quarts of broth. I strain out the solids and put the broth in pint deli containers which provides two 8oz servings and freeze.  As I use one container over two days I have one thawing next to it in the fridge.

To serve, I put 8 oz in a glass or mug, add 2-3 tablespoons of grass-fed butter ( usually KerryGold salted),  nuke in the microwave for about 2 minutes, then whip with a stick blender and add additional salt to taste. I use this as my morning beverage as I don't like coffee.


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« on: October 18, 2016, 04:35:38 am »
@Celeste - Hi Celeste! I use lots of salt and have for many years now.  In the very beginning (2005-2007) I started getting nighttime leg cramps which got worse as time went on.  When I started adding salt they went away.  I think that was in 2007/2008 time frame.

A couple of weeks ago I had an ultrasonic bone density test where they check your heel bone.  They won't do a DEXA scan unless the ultrasonic shows a problem.  The heel bone came out above normal (+0.43 on the left foot and +0.57 on the right) so that's all I know.  To get anything more I'd have to pay out of pocket.  I also don't know what "above normal" means exactly.  I don't know if it is age adjusted so I'm better than most 65 year olds, or if it is better than most people of any age.

The machine gives a reading between +1 and -10 with 0 being "normal".


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« on: October 03, 2016, 06:19:07 am »
@Sabertooth - thanks for the interesting post.  I guess I'm more of a deadend kid.  I'm afraid my palate is not all that sensitive to subtle differences in taste.  Some here say they can tell the difference between fresh and frozen then thawed meat.  I suppose, side by side, I might be able to tell the difference, but when I'm hungry, I don't care, all I want is to eat and satiate my hunger, and when I'm not hungry, I don't care because I'm not hungry and won't eat no matter how good it tastes.

As a hunter I expect I'm in the opportunist category.  Assuming I'm hungry and haven't eaten in awhile, I'll kill and eat anything that holds still long enough.  If I'm not hungry I'd like to think that I'm like the industrious ant, working to put away food for lean times, but alas I'm probably more like the grasshopper, wondering where summer went and will probably spend the winter eating whatever i can scavenge.

As a paleo hunter, with not much more than a rock and sharp stick as my weapons and tools, I'm inclined to think that I'd have preferences, mostly based on the size of the animal and the fact that larger meant I'd have to hunt less often, (in my experience humans are lazy by nature), but most likely would eat whatever I could kill.

In any case, I'm not sure I'd pass up a meal because the animal I took down was a browser and not a grazer (or visa versa), but it is interesting to contemplate.


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« on: October 02, 2016, 06:48:58 am »
Interesting discussion on browsers vs grazers.  I would imagine that fauna that inhabit an area would be determined by the indigenous flora.  For me, the important question is, do I care which I eat since both are easily available in our modern food delivery system?  If so, why?  If not, why bring it up?

Paper describing b vs g in detail:

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« on: September 30, 2016, 01:13:39 am »
Very wise words Eric.


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« on: September 30, 2016, 01:11:00 am »
Sabertooth - I wish you well on your personal quest.  Right now I'm satisfied with the choices available to me in my current environment.  They meet my minimal needs, and I'm not sure that seeking an incremental improvement is a good use of my remaining time.  I'd rather spend it on other pursuits.

There is some truth to the saying "Shoot for the stars and with luck you'll hit the moon", I'm glad you have the energy and interest to do so.  It's how progress is made.  I'm beyond making progress.  I'm at the point in my life where I'm happy just to have the strength to continue hanging on by my fingertips.


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« on: September 29, 2016, 12:39:12 am »
TylerD! so good to see you're still around and as cogent as ever. Thanks for stopping by.

I agree that our food animals should eat as close as possible to their natural diets.  Commercial Chicken Chow is far removed from what wild chickens eat.  I find it humorous that the state of California has decreed that no eggs may be sold from caged chickens.  However, chickens in large open pens eating Chicken Chow is somehow more humane and better for us.

Such is the hubris and ignorance of our leaders,


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« on: September 29, 2016, 12:27:47 am »
Sabertooth.  Thanks for the detailed reply.  What you say makes a lot of sense. Get ready for it...  here is comes.... OK Now comes the "BUT"...

When I was younger (late teens through my thirty's) I was hung up on "perfection".  I was convinced that if I just ate the right foods, did the correct exercises, drank the purest water, that I'd live in robust health forever. I had the diet gurus telling me so.  Then I got older and things started going wrong, even though I was surely doing everything right.  How could this be?

The initial flaw in my thinking was that I knew what was right.  Clearly I didn't. At least if doing what was right meant that I'd live in robust health forever - or at least a very long time.

My next issue was how could people do so well on such a varied playing field. Eating all the wrong foods, sitting on the couch watching TV, and drinking beer, and sodas.  Many of these people were living as long or longer and in as good health as those of us that were doing everything right.  I'm still scratching my head over this one.

In your examples of allowing our food animals to eat their natural diet in unfettered circumstances is a wonderful ideal, but what does it gain us.  The Inuit certainly ate free range animals and their average lifespan was into their 80's - very much the same as the soda and beer swilling couch potatoes I described above.

The Garden of Eden you describe doesn't exist anywhere on this earth.  Every bio-habitat or region has it's own strengths and weaknesses.  All the wonderful herbs may be present but the soil may be missing one or more key nutrients.  The soil may also be contaminated by such substances as lead, arsenic, or some other bad thing that will be taken up by the animal either directly through consuming bits of dirt or through the plants they eat.

The wonder of it all is that despite everything being less than perfect, we seem to do rather well.  It is the fact that perfection is not required that makes animal and plant life so amazing.

The opposite side of the coin is also interesting.  Even if everything is perfect, assuming we even know what perfect is, we will live our same life span - say into our 80's or 90's.  Maybe in slightly better health assuming all the natural destructive elements all around us in our food and environment (the sun?)don't do us in, but none the less our lives are finite. 

So for me it comes down to a matter of degree.  It makes sense to me to eat as close to the diet we evolved on, food that eats as close as possible to the diet it evolved on, but as you get closer to perfection - assuming we know what perfection is - there are diminishing returns.  I think the oldest (validated) recorded living human is 120 years and 4 months.  There are people all over the planet, eating a wide variety of diets, and yet none have exceeded this age.  Many people today, again on varied (and some might think terrible) diets live into their early 100's.

So, let's say you find a way to meet your idea of a Utopian food source.  What do you expect to gain? Will it be worth the time and effort expended?  At 65, I'm faced with my mortality.  I have less time to go than I've already lived. If my genetic history has any bearing then maybe only 20 years or so.  No male member of my family has lived beyond 85, and most died in their 70's. Very sobering.  The question I have to ask myself is do I want to spend the next 20 years totally focused on trying to find or live some idea of perfection in an effort to gain an additional 5 years of life?  I've answered that for myself with a resounding NO!

For me it is quality of life. Right now.  Today.   I'm committed to doing practical things within my modern environment that will give me the best quality of life possible for whatever the remaining duration is.  I'm fine with dying tomorrow (or this afternoon) from a massive heart attack or stroke, because yesterday (or so far today) I'm doing everything I want to do. 

This implies that what I don't want to spend my remaining time doing is obsessing over my diet.  I eat my food (which I've chosen with the best information I have available, and from what is readily available in modern commerce), and then I spend the rest of my time on family and other interests.

Your choices are surely different from mine.  That's OK.  The only thing I'd ask you to consider is, if you are able look back in 30-40 years at what you've spent your life doing, will you find it time well spent?  Will the commitment be worth the reward?

So each of us must decide for ourselves,


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« on: September 26, 2016, 12:30:01 pm »
Sabertooth don't let me dampen your enthusiasm.  I was passionate about my life's work and it served me well for over 40 years.  I'm passionate about the things I do now.  I advise everyone to follow their passion.

I'd be interested to know what you mean by "beyond grass-fed". 

I truly have no idea what you mean by optimal fats.  How are they different from the fats in grass-fed meats? (from your wish to go beyond grass-fed you must be referring to something different than fat from grass-fed animals?).

I'm also very suspicious when people talk about "optimal nutritional balance on a meat based diet" since by definition a meat based diet such as I follow is anything but balanced as the term is normally used in nutritional circles.  Again, not sure what you mean here.

I suppose I want to know how what you are working on would be valuable to me. Make my life simpler, fuller, healthier, better.



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« on: September 26, 2016, 08:08:45 am »
Hmmmmmmm.  The key to your post is "... getting optimal fats?and overall optimal nutritional balance on a meat based diet?"  I have no idea what "optimal" is for either fats or nutritional balance.  All I can tell you is that my protocol, eating 10%-15% mixed organ meats with the rest being regular ground muscle meats with 80% of calories from fat, seems to be working well for me.  No signs of deficiencies of any kind.  When organ meats aren't available I'm using sardines as described above, and again, no deficiencies have shown up.

As I stated to Celeste, I'm taking the idea that the fatty acid profile in Grass-fed is better than grain-finished meat as an article of faith as I have no direct experience that tells me that it is either correct or incorrect.  I have no way to directly measure what these are doing in my body, and I don't have time to observe the effects of these two profiles across multiple generations (ala Pottenger's Cats).  Enough for me that I feel great and can do the things I want to do, which is usually a great deal more than many of my peers.

As for CLA levels, Jojoba suet, and whether older animals are better than younger animals, unfortunately I'm clueless and have no way of doing any meaningful testing.  My remaining years are short and I choose to spend them on something other than agonizing over things I can do very little about.

Initially I had the same shipping problem as you have with Marin Sun Farms.  I had to drive 13-14 hours round trip to San Francisco and back to buy from them.  Then they decided they wanted to open up the Los Angeles market so they hired a sales/delivery guy down here and sent meat down via refrigerated freight and I got to purchase wholesale as long as I picked my meat up at the freight terminal when the delivery guy showed up.  Now they've gotten too big here and won't sell to me direct even though I order 120 lbs of meat at a time.  I have to go through one of their local wholesale customers who add's on a couple of bucks a pound to receive and hold my unopened boxes of meat for 2 or 3 hours.  Oh well, as I said, life's too short to worry about such things.  Change and adapt.


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« on: September 26, 2016, 07:39:55 am »
Hi PaleoPhil,
Thanks for checking in.  I'd recognize that avatar anywhere!  I've tried to add some plant foods now and again, but I'm so insulin resistant that eating a small salad and a piece of fruit every day will add 10 pounds in less than two weeks.  All those carbs get converted to fat immediately. I find I have to stay under 20-30 grams of carbs per day or the result isn't pretty.  Yes, I could add carbs back in, but I'd have to totally change my dietary protocol so that muscles and other tissues would start preferring glucose again over fatty acids. I'm doing so well where I am that I just keep doing it.


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« on: September 26, 2016, 03:35:15 am »
HI Celeste!
Yup, flexible is my middle name, but I do try to stick with the foundational principles of a raw meat ketogenic diet, so I can't stray too far from home base.

I'm much less concerned with some of the minutiae than I used to be.  Grass-fed meat has a much better Omega-3/Omega-6/Omega-9 fatty acid profile than its grain-finished counterpart (so say the biochemists) which has almost no Omega-3.  I suppose the question becomes what "better" means.  From a practical standpoint I've just decided to try to cover all the bases.  My thought is that supplementing with sardines, (especially the King Oscar Tiny Tots that have such a high Omega-3 content), sort of mitigates the problem for me.  Maybe not optimal, but better than the alternative, and I do have to function in the real world.

The truth is that I can't tell the difference in my day-to-day health one way or the other when it comes to grass-fed vs grain-fed, from eating one type for a week or a month and then the other.  I'm sure it has a significant effect on long term health, think decades, and formative health, when a child is in the womb and its first dozen years of life, but as for its value at my stage in life, I have to take it on faith and some of the more recent research that says grass-fed does have some beneficial effect at the cellular level.

I think the key to your question is the very last phrase: "...from what you've learned".  The problem is that what we've all "learned" could be hogwash and nonsense. My life is replete with examples of modern medical knowledge that has been proven to be totally wrong.  In defense of the medical profession, the holistic naturopathic healing side hasn't fared any better.  Most of what they've taught for decades is totally wrong as well.  Much of the research is highly biased and most of us don't have the understanding to interpret studies properly anyway.  I do put some faith in Peter at his HyperLipid blog.  He seems a straight shooter and is much better qualified to comment on the efficacy of the various studies than I am.  Even so, you still have to decide if his interpretation is one you wish to put your faith in.

I don't use tallow much anymore except to make pemmican.  Just to much bother to render it.  Easier to purchase grass-fed butter.  Again, it's putting living life above agonizing over every detail of my diet.

I am having fun - probably more fun that I deserve.  Hope you are as well....


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« on: September 25, 2016, 11:49:31 pm »
I get an occasional email request for an update and this week I got three so I thought that it's been awhile since I posted and it's time to check-in and bring everyone up to date.

I'm really busy as I now have 2 wonderful granddaughters ages 3 and 5, still teaching antique clock repair several times a year, and very involved in helping aging neighbors (most in their late 80's and 90's) with their daily struggles.  I travel quite a bit and have converted a small diesel Ram Promaster van (136" wheel base, low roof) into a camper van much like the old Volkswagen Westy's.  Have taken two trips so far this year, one 5,000 mile and one 3,000 mile, to visit friends and relatives. Van is fitted with 600 watts of solar panels and Lithium batteries so have a fridge and freezer and prepare all my own food along the way.

I'm still pretty much eating just raw meat.  On occasion I do add a bit ( a couple of tablespoons) of diced onion or maybe some garlic, a dash of hot sauce now and again, and salt and pepper for flavor and variety, but other than that it is 95+% meat and fat. No grains, or starches, and veggies only when eating out, and then only if that's all that's acceptable on the menu.  Like when friends take me to one of those new-age lunch places where the only meat on the menu is Chicken Caesar Salad. I order the salad with double or triple meat (usually costs a fortune) sans croutons, and throw the salad away - not excited about the lettuce and don't want the soy oil based dressing either.

I changed my meat source a couple of years ago from Slanker's to Marine Sun Farms here in California.  They shipped for free as long as I picked up at the freight terminal which was only 5 miles from my house, so it was a pretty good deal. Unfortunately, sorry to say that Marin Sun Farms has stopped selling to me directly.  I now have to order through one of their local wholesale customers and pay a retail mark-up which adds about $2 per pound to the cost.  Because of this I now only order their "Patty Mix" which is about 25% organ meat for $6/lb (used to cost me $4/lb) because I can't purchase that at the local market.  Walmart now carries grass-fed meat for $6/lb so I purchase my normal ground meat there.  Marin Sun Farms wants $8/lb so no benefit ordering regular ground meat from them. Von's has it for $8 so I'll purchase there in an emergency.  Both Walmart and Von's only offer 15% fat so I have to add butter or other fat to bring the fat content up to snuff - usually about 4 tablespoons per pound. My favorite butter is Kerry Gold which I purchase by the case from Trader Joe's.  As an alternative I may mix a bit of Taco seasoning in the meat and slather with sour cream to raise the fat content when in the mood for a south of the border flavor.  I make sure any seasoning mix I use has no MSG or other badies.

For awhile I was unable to get an organ mix ground meat at all so I had to figure out an alternative.  After a bit of head scratching I came up with the idea of adding sardines packed in olive oil.  You get the whole fish including bones, (only the heads are missing) and they are very rich in Omega-3s so I figured they'd fit the bill.  To this end I add one 3.75 oz can of King Oscar "Tiny Tots" sardines packed in olive oil to one pound of grass-fed ground meat when my organ mix is not available. Kinda adds a Tuna taste to the mix but not bad at all. King Oscar says each tin has 2.4 grams of Omega-3 which is quite a lot.  I purchase these by the case at Walmart for $2.54 per tin which is the best price I've found.  Most markets price them at $3+. Their also very convenient when traveling.

Still only eat one main meal per day at around 2 or 3 in the afternoon. However, I have taken to having a cup of chicken broth in the morning which I enjoy immensely.  I make the chicken broth myself following Stephen Phinney's directions which you can find doing a Google search.  I make a couple of gallons at a time and store it in pint containers which I freeze and then thaw as needed.  To serve, I heat one cup broth with 3-4 tablespoons butter and then mix well with and immersion blender - wonderful.

I still eat between 1800 and 2500 calories per day at 75% to 85% fat. My protein intake is around 80 - 100 gm/day.  I haven't tallied it up, but I think my food costs are still around $10/day. However, it may be closer to $11 or $12 now since my cost for organ mix meat has gone up and sardines are not free either.

One thing I added to my menu this summer was sparking herbal tea.  Since I don't drink sodas and don't want to add artificial sweeteners, sugary fruit juices, or grain heavy beer to my diet, it's a bit of a struggle to find an acceptable alternative.  Enter Celestial Seasonings caffeine free herbal teas.  These things are amazing.  My favorites are Country Peach Passion, Raspberry Zinger, and True Blueberry.

I'll start by using one tea bag in a cup (8oz) of hot water as normal.  Let steep and cool for an hour or so.  Remove tea bag and refrigerate the tea.  When ready to serve, pour over ice, add a dash of lemon juice for tartness, and top off with 4-6 ounces of club soda or seltzer water to add a bit of tingle. Really hits the spot on a hot summer day.

Over the years my doctor became worried that my highly acidic urine would be a problem, especially since I've had a bout of kidney stones in my recent history (2009/2010).  He wanted me to do something to rise my urine ph from 4.5-5.5 to somewhere between 6.0 and 7.0.  I did a bit of research and decided the best paleo friendly approach to do this would be to add some bicarbonate of soda to offset the highly acidic metabolites of the ketogenic diet.  This kills two birds with one stone so to speak.  It adds sodium to my diet which is needed since a ketogenic diet flushes sodium (per Phinney et. al.) and puts me at risk of loosing magnesium and potassium to compensate, and the bicarbonate effectively lowers ph which keeps my doctor happy.  The body manufactures lots of bicarbonate in the pancreas and kidneys so all I'm doing is supplementing what it already creates - hopefully removing a bit of stress on the kidneys and pancreas in the process.

My protocol is to drink a pint (16oz) of water with 1/2 tsp of Arm & Hammer baking soda in the morning upon arising before my morning walk, and again about 12 hours later in the early evening well after my daily meal.  This seems to work like a charm, keeping urine at a ph between 6.0 and 7.0 and is really cheap at less than 2 cents a day.  A one pound box lasts about 2 1/2 months and costs about $1.30 at any supermarket - even cheaper if you purchase in bulk.

EDIT:  I forgot to add my exercise protocol.  I walk about 4-5 miles per day 6 days a week first thing in the early morning (6am).  When I return home (about 7:30am) I follow Paval's "Minimum Kettlebell Protocol" which is a short warm-up followed by 100 swings and 10 Turkish Get Ups.  I do this with a 20kg (44 lb) kettelbell which takes about 30 minutes.  I'm finished with all this foolishness by 8am and ready to face the day.

Hope you find this useful.  Will hang around awhile to answer any questions,


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« on: February 25, 2014, 01:31:54 am »
I don't disregard RS as important or unimportant any more than any other SINGLE fix-all.  What I find amusing is the constant search to discover the single Holy Grail nutrient, hormone, or whatever.

We are complex animals and no single food is going to meet our needs.  Our bodies require oxygen but we can't survive in a pure oxygen environment.  We need many things in proper balance.

I do believe that our nutrient intake needs to come from sources that would be available in our natural environment and without the need for modern processing.  This takes all the nutrient isolates off my radar as acceptable food.  I won't eat protein isolate powders so popular with body building crowd because these are not complete foods.  By the same token I'm not going to eat resistant starch isolates regardless if they are labeled all natural and organic and come from potatoes.  None of these things are available in nature in this isolated form.

Now a potato is a whole food.  If I read correctly, raw potato is high in RS, but cooked potato has almost none.  Reading further and from real world practical experience when I was a vegan, raw potato can cause some serious gastrointestinal upset, where cooked potato doesn't.

Then there's legumes - again a whole food.  Too cook, or not to cook, that is the question.  And of course there's sprouts full of monsacarides and other less than healthful compounds.

Oats have a good measure of RS but they fall into the category of grains which are a paleo no-no.

Fruits are loaded with fructose - horrors.

Green veggies are loaded with oxalic acid - Yuck.

Now I'm told that meat doesn't have RS and I'm going to get really sick if that is all I eat.

So what's a recovering vegetarian/vegan to do?  It's all so complicated.....


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« on: February 24, 2014, 06:02:37 am »
The battle of the diet gurus is, if nothing else, amusing to watch.  They all claim they've found the dietary Holy Grail.  The next thing you know, there's a stampede in another direction towards a different cliff, again labeled "the dietary Holy Grail". Years ago it was Ehret, Walker, Bragg, Tobe, Sheldon, and Carrington.  Then came Wigmore, Kulvinskas, and Pritikin.  Shortly followed up by Atkins, Sears, and Diamond.  Then there's the new crop Asprey, Kresser, Moore, Cordain, Taubes, Durant, Sisson, Hunt, Wolf, Jaminet, Devany, and Peat, et al. each with their own biases and agendas.

Ehret championed the mucusless diet, Walker- raw juices, Bragg-apple cider vinegar and fasting, for Sheldon it was cherries, and Carrington thought the perfect food was chocolate.

For Wigmore and Kulvinskas it was wheatgrass juice, rejuvilac, and sprouts.   Pritikin was all about ultra low fat, high carb, moderate protein.

The current crop seems to be all over the map as well, though they seem to have more of a herd mentality.  They all shift direction like a school of fish - almost in unison - but with the occasional straggler that peddles hard to catch up with the pack.

Today's hot topic seems to be "resistant starch" (last week it was "safe starch") and so the drama continues.  Just as all the gurus of the past discovered about their pet beliefs, RS will soon be eclipsed by the next Holy Grail, and relegated to the ash heap of history.  Stay tuned.

Life is short, and I have determined to waste as little of it as possible, for death will overtake each of us soon enough, regardless of what we choose eat.  Dietary wars were waged long before I was born, (even the Bible weighs in on the subject), and will still be raging long after I'm gone.  Diet gurus will come and go as sure and as regularly as Paris fashions.

If you think agonizing over resistant starch (used to be called fiber in the olden days) is a good use of your time, then by all means have at it.  For me, other things are more important.  I think I'll continue to do what works well for me, and spend little of my precious time worrying over the constant hysteria churned up by the gurus.  What time I have left on this earth is better spent in my shop and with family and friends doing the things I love to do. 

Rest assured, if what I'm doing stops working or problems arise, I'll change in a heartbeat. Until then I'm going to burry my head in the dietary sand and ignore all the clatter from the gurus.


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« on: November 10, 2013, 06:29:06 am »
I just finished John Durant's book "The Paleo Manifesto".  The book is a tour de force of all things paleo covering everything from history to diet to exercise to fasting and even daily and seasonal cycles.  He seems to embrace the hot/cold exposure theory much as you suggest in your post above.  It seems he's a member of the Polar Bear Club (folks that jump in the cold ocean in winter on purpose) and frequents saunas and Russian Banya's for the hot side of things.  Must be something to it....


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« on: November 03, 2013, 12:03:32 pm »
I enjoyed your well thought-out post.  I seldom give advice for the reasons you point out.  I have no idea of the health, condition, or environment factors affecting anyone other than myself.  To give advice to others under such conditions is sheer folly.  Therefore, I try to state plainly what I'm doing and the results I achieve and let others determine for themselves what action, if any, they wish to take.

I also enjoy pondering the unknowable and often post my thoughts and ideas for others to consider and comment on.  Your post should provide much food for thought as well.  You are in good company with Paleo Phil and others who post to my journal.


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« on: October 06, 2013, 11:16:07 am »
Never thought there was anything sinister.  I thought the server made the error and somehow put GS as the poster.  Would have been an interesting software error to find.

Glad to know that GS and/or moderators can recover posts when the server burps.  Also glad it wasn't some strange software bug that would be difficult to reproduce.


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« on: October 05, 2013, 12:13:21 pm »
Somehow my reply to Dustin (two posts above this one) got posted as though it was from goodsamaritan.  Not sure how this happened.  Here's the header to the post:

Re: Lex's Journal
« Reply #1954 on: Yesterday at 09:02:26 AM »

The post is correct but I'm the one that made the post, not GS.  I guess Arthur C. Clarke was on to something when he said:  "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."  It's clear some sort of magic happened here...


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« on: September 30, 2013, 01:48:33 am »
Well its been about 2 1/2 weeks since my TUMT procedure.  Unfortunately I didn't measure flow rate before the procedure but I did measure volume voided.

For the first several days after the catheter was removed I did measure flow rate as well as volume and everything seemed very close to what I was experiencing before the procedure so we'll just have to go with that. 

For several days after the catheter was removed (Monday 9/16/13) flow rate was between 5.5 and 6.25 ml/sec.  Average amount voided was around 100ml.  It's been about two weeks since the catheter was removed and I made flow rate and void volume measurements again yesterday.

Average flow rate has increased to between 8.5 and 10.1 ml/sec. about a 50% improvement.  Average volume voided has also increased from 100ml to around 150ml - again about a 50% improvement.  I'm getting up about 3 times per night rather than 5 so this is a nice 40% improvement as well.

Interesting observation:  When I wake up in the night to void, if I've been sleeping on my stomach, I void much less (about half the amount 75-90ml) as I would if I were sleeping on my side or back.  I also have to void again quickly, say within a half hour or so, and the second void brings the total volume up to the normal 150ml or maybe a little more.  After that I can go back to sleep for 2+ hours before having to get up again.

Very pleased that I have had no "retention" issues (where I just can't void at all) since the procedure.  I've been told that I can expect to see continuing improvement for 3 to 6 months before things level off.  Based on how things were before the procedure, I'm very happy with how things are now even if there is little further improvement.

The improvement has also been rather rapid compared to what I was told to expect.  The urologist said I should start to see some minor improvement starting at 3 to 4 weeks from the date of the procedure.  I'm seeing measurable improvement at 2 to 2 1/2 weeks.

No bad side effects that I can detect yet, but we're still early in the game.  Next appointment with the urologist is on Monday 10/14/13.  Will post further results once I've got feed back from the doc.


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« on: September 25, 2013, 02:49:15 pm »
Should we utterly ignore these aspects of nature and just assume that modern practices are sufficient?.....

It's quite true that today there are no lean months. The fractal/intermittent nature of nature has been replaced with chronic habits based on pleasure-based preferences. The hard aspect of nature is largely being ignored.

I suppose the question is how important are these natural cycles?  We tend to focus on the specific foods we should and should not eat, but seldom do we look to emulate the natural cycles of food supply in nature.  Could it be that the annual cycle of eating far less food in late winter and becoming very lean into spring could be just as (or more) important to overall health as the specific foods consumed?

I know from horticulture classes I've taken that plants grown in a hothouse appear fleshy and robust, but are actually much weaker than the same plants forced to deal with their natural environment.  A hothouse grown plant will die when suddenly faced with an extreme change in environment, where its scrawnier sibling in the wild will handle the same change with ease.

Maybe we've turned ourselves into the equivalent of hothouse plants that look robust but are actually rather fragile because we've been sheltered from our normal environmental cycles.  We have all the same foods plentifully available all year around.  We heat our environments in the winter and cool them in the summer such that we can no longer tolerate wide temperature changes.  Could this be a significant source of our modern day maladies?

Another story comes to mind that might illustrate the point further.  Many years ago my grandfather came to live with us after grandma died.  He brought along his little dog, a mix of pomarenian and pekingese, weighing about 12 lbs.  The dog was about 8 years old and had always been a house dog.   It had heart trouble and digestive issues, was taking a lot of medications and wasn't expected to live much longer.  My dad said that it wasn't good for dogs to be in the house all the time and insisted that the poor little dog sleep outside.  We lived in the San Joaquin Valley and it easily reached 108+ in the summer and below freezing at night in the winter.  We were all sure that the poor dog was going to die in the first month.  That didn't happen.  The dog actually got better. Within 6 months she was no longer on any medications. She grew a thick coat in the winter and shed profusely in the summer months.  And she lived to be 14 - very old for her breeding.

Anyway, the importance of exposure to natural environmental cycles is an interesting question that is not much discussed.


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« on: September 24, 2013, 12:15:52 am »
--dogs and wild animals bury, ferment and gnaw on bones,...
Hmmmm, didn't think of burying my food before eating. Maybe that's what I'm missing.
Is it just coincidence that Europeans are prone to Hemochromatosis and that dairy and teas are believed to deplete heme iron (to the point where pastoralists typically traditionally added blood to milk, perhaps to avoid anemia?)?
Interesting that you came up with a dietary explanation/solution for hemochromatosis.  When I looked into this issue several years ago, the most common thinking was that parasites tend to deplete the body of iron and in our natural environment we most likely would have been loaded with parasites as are most wild animals.  Our bodies evolved to conserve iron for this reason.  The problem today is that we seldom get parasites that would deplete iron stores, so our body's hording of iron, which evolved as a survival mechanism, now works against us, and is seen as a genetic flaw.

I think obesity and diabetes are similar.  In our natural environment carb sources would have been seasonal.  We certainly would have gained weight when eating them which would prepare us for lean times during the winter.  Today there are no lean months, and rather than a seasonal splurg, carbs have become our primary food source all year around, and obesity and diabetes are now common place.  Of course our medical profession sees this as disease, and looks for genetic flaws to explain it. 

Is our craving of carbs and the putting on weight by consuming them genetic?  I think certainly.  Is this a flaw?  I doubt it.  It's what has allowed our species to survive lean times. Just a guess, but I tend to think many of our metabolic problems are are likely due to our corruption of the natural food cycle.

I find it fascinating that hard won evolutionary advantages that served us well for tens (if not hundreds) of thousands of years, are now considered to be genetic flaws and a state of disease.


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« on: September 23, 2013, 12:54:51 am »
Still though I have to ask. Would you consider supplementing with bone broth/collagen/gelatin for a period of time and see if it helps at all?

Sorry but I'm just not interested in making bone broth.  I eat lots of collagen/gelatin/marrow as part of my diet, it's just not cooked into broth.  There is a large amount of connective tissue in my food which is the source for extracted collagen and gelatin.  I prefer to eat mine raw and complete rather than cooked into a broth where the solids (and an unknown amount of nutrients) are discarded and or damaged by heat.  I have to ask myself why I would want to supplement with a cooked partial form of these nutrients rather than just eat the uncooked complete nutrients just as other animals do.

I'm all about what works, and if bone broth is working for you then that is wonderful keep it up.  My diet has worked well for me for about 8 years now and I'm very happy with it.  Many problems have been resolved and only BPH remains as a significant issue.  There's just nothing in bone broth that makes me believe that it's worth the trouble.

With three weeks into your protocol you have a long way to go.  Let's see if you are still convinced that bone broth is the key to health 10 to 20 years from now.  I know that when I became a vegetarian/vegan about 45 years ago, I thought I'd found the dietary holy grail.  It took 25+ years to realize things were not turning out as advertised on the vegetarian front and after about 30 years I finally got the courage to switch to paleo. 

For me, paleo, VLC, ZC is still new. Eight years is not an overly long track record compared to an expected lifespan of 80 to 90 years.   I make no claims for it nor do I recommend it to others. Right now it seems to be working well for me.  However, if things change and I start to see problems, I'll change in a heartbeat.

My BPH is not a result of the paleo lifestyle.  It started in my vegetarian/vegan days well before paleo.  BPH was just one of the many problems I hoped that paleo would solve.  Alas, it is the last remaining problem and it seems paleo was not the answer.


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« on: September 18, 2013, 01:08:38 am »
Last night I was talking to an engineering friend of mine who is a little older than I am, and he had the same procedure that I just completed back in 2007.  Like me, he wanted concrete evidence of the effectiveness of the procedure so he came up with a way to measure urine flow rate with a stopwatch and a measuring cup.

It's rather simple and probably not particularly accurate, but all we care about are relative readings anyway so it is an interesting place to start.  He tracts volume voided in milliliters and time to void in seconds.  Dividing seconds into milliliters gives milliliters per second.  My friend has been tracking his urine flow for over 15 years and he could easily see significant differences when he started taking Flowmax, the taper off as Flowmax started to have less effect, then the TUMT procedure etc. etc.

Unfortunately, timing the flow of urine when you have BPH is not simple because you often have stops and starts in flow.  In his and my case we have a main flow where about 75% or so is voided, then a stop followed in a few seconds by a second flow which is much smaller in volume.  Since the second flow is small he decided to ignore it but let it continue to add to the total volume in the measuring cup.

So his procedure is to start flow into a measuring cup and as soon as the first drops hit the bottom of the cup start the stopwatch.  As soon as the main flow stops, immediately stop the stopwatch.  Let any second flow add to the volume in the cup.

The thinking here is that flow usually starts somewhat slowly, goes to full strength, then tapers off and stops.  The volume of the second flow just compensates for the tapering flow rates at the start and stop of the initial void.  What we want to know is max flow rate so this compensation probably brings us closer to that value than if we didn't do this.

Normal average flow rates for males depends on age.

From age 4 to age 13 average flow rate is 10-12 mL/sec
From age 14 to age 45 average flow rate is around 21 mL/sec
From age 46 to age 65 average flow rate is around 12 mL/sec
From age 66 to age 80 average flow rate is around 9 mL/sec

Between last night before going to bed and 9am this morning I was able to make three measurements.  The first, at 10pm came in at 6.25 mL/sec.  The second at 5am came in at 5.58 mL/sec, and the last at 9am this morning came in at 6.25 again.

As you can see, I'm worse off than the average 80 year old.  There should be little effect of the TUMT procedure and any effect this early after the procedure would probably slow flow rate due to swelling.  I'll be doing this test weekly capturing all data over a 24 hour period and then averaging to get an average daily flow rate.  Will post the results as things change.  Let's hope the change is significant and for the better.  My urologist said not to expect to see much change for at least three to four weeks.  After that there should be steady improvement for up to 3 months.  Things should level off after that.

I now have a way to test this and compare relative readings starting from today onward.


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« on: September 17, 2013, 07:10:05 am »
Déithe a mholadh!

I don't think there are 2 h's in moladh... but I could be wrong.  I'm certainly not an expert, but Google tells me so...

Had to look it up!


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