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« on: February 20, 2013, 11:41:51 pm »
I guess it all depends what your goal is.  To me, it's more important to get the information out to people who can actually use it, maybe help a handful of people challenge their beliefs and find a better way of life.  I guess if what you're looking to do is improve the popular mainstream opinion of raw, this video could be seen as a negative.  Even then, at least you're getting out that people DO eat this way, and you start to let the shock value of that wear off.

There might be ultimately "better" ways to get it out, but I don't think this is a bad one, again depending on your goals.  I don't think in this current climate you have any hope of getting something less sensationalized than this out to a large audience.  People could be creating videos that shine a better light on it, and some even are, but I'd say the most views on those are coming from people that area already aware/interested in eating this way.  It's more of helping those that are already interested along the path, versus showing new people that it's possible.

« on: February 20, 2013, 10:06:17 pm »
Eh.  I definitely don't think it's the best way it could be portrayed, but I do agree with the sentiment that some others have that at least you're getting it out there that there's a person that's doing this, and they're not immediately dying, in fact they're solving a lot of their health issues with it. 

If this airs, there's a lot of people who will see this and think it's gross/disgusting and that he's crazy, that's for sure.  On the other hand, some people will see it and it will make them think, and may challenge their ingrained beliefs that raw meat = death.  They may search around the internet and end up on this forum to learn more. 

I think that's the best you can hope for really right now with the current norm attitude to this thing, if you have any interest in reaching out to people who have never considered the diet before.  On the other hand, if you want to just shell up and not be noticed by mainstream society, this is certainly a bad thing.

To me, though, the major points that seemed like they were meant to attack him, failed pretty hard.  1) a doctor told him he had some parasite, which could harm him if he weren't healthy... duh, and that there's all sorts of "terrible bacteria" on this meat that he's eating... and somehow it's making him healthier, 2) the family got all grossed out by him eating at the table, this is just shock factor/sensationalism for tv, anyone who has any chance of questioning their beliefs on something like this shouldn't fall for that anyway, 3) the psychiatrist at the end trying to diagnose him and bring the family together, he mostly stood his ground, but made some compromises to work with his family, and the questioning she was doing was just a bunch of bull anyway.

« on: February 20, 2013, 09:37:13 pm »
Well there were the constant overtones of "bad bacteria this, parasites that, it's only a matter of time until one of these awful things causes your entire body to explode, etc.", but there is also the story of how awful he was doing on mainstream food, how he was wasting away and couldn't keep it down, but how he is now doing much better and having none of those problems.  I think the good was definitely represented, even if quietly and overshadowed a bit for the folks who will take it at face value.

« on: February 19, 2013, 09:58:36 am »
Pretty good.  I've been following this thread and was really hoping I would see an at least semi-finished product at some point.  I agree with what the others have said, if nothing else you look far healthier than everyone around you who is advocating other diets.  There's certainly a lot of agenda pushing, but your case is stated pretty clear and simple, and it's plain to see that you are on this diet and not having problems (in fact, solving a bunch that you had).  If there is a finished product that is give or take the same as this, I'd call this a definite success.

Splaying out the high meat at the dinner with everyone else was a little much for me, with all the shock factor/gagging, but it seemed obviously staged, and I think that will come across to anyone who is willing to challenge their beliefs on this kind of stuff anyway.

I thought it was interesting seeing the woman (sister? I didn't catch it) that didn't seem as concerned about the raw piece, and just wanted you to pull fruits/vegetables into the situation.  I didn't expect to hear that view on it.

Health / Re: Eye floaters
« on: February 07, 2013, 05:21:46 am »
So I forgot about this post entirely and then reread it.  Since posting this I've been on a fairly strict paleo diet, with some raw, before that I had been cheating pretty hard for the holiday season.  Before THAT I was semi-paleo for a little while, with probably more raw than I do now, but with plenty of SAD cheating too. 

Anyway, it hit me to actually check my floater situation while doing some more research on the candida/floaters thing (it's really easy to forget about them when you're not thinking about them).  They seem to be reduced quite a bit.  I only have one or two major clusters (versus definitely 3+) in my field of vision, and they're less defined and smaller than previous ones have generally been.  It's only one point of data, so we'll see what happens, but I'm optimistic!

Health / Re: Binge eating
« on: January 11, 2013, 09:00:52 am »
Hi paleonewb, it seems you were searching for cooked paleo diets and you've stumbled on a raw paleo diet site.  The difference being that most members here are striving to eat their foods uncooked, including raw animal meats, because of the damage that cooked foods can cause.  It's a welcoming place for anyone to ask issues on eating more raw, and a lot of the members still eat some cooked as well.  People have recovered from some pretty amazing stuff on here, and there's a wealth of info, so stick around if you're interested at all.  The important info for newbies forum is a great place to start checking stuff out -

particularly this article about easing into raw -

Of course, it's a forum, so if you have any questions, ask away.

Health / Eye floaters
« on: January 11, 2013, 05:15:43 am »
Hey all, here's a random question for you.  I didn't find anything similar in searching.  I've had eye floaters ( for as long as I can remember.  Whenever I've looked them up it seems like there's not much concrete evidence of exactly why they occur or how to get rid of them.  They're mostly benign-ish I guess, since they don't really bother me much at this point, they're just there.

Anyway, I've always felt like these are not a good thing, I'm wondering if anyone on here has had any experience with floaters, whether they've been able to diminish or get rid of them entirely, and whether they felt it was anything in particular they did that made it happen.

For what it's worth, I know I spend entirely too much time in front of a computer screen right now, but that's kind of just where my life is, and I like the other things that making that sacrifice does for me.  So yeah, I'm curious to all answers, but am hoping for experience with nutrition and eye floaters.

« on: October 23, 2012, 08:43:40 pm »
Interesting.  So to boil it down entirely too far, and probably offend someone by oversimplifying it, it seems like the libertarian philosophy espoused by sabertooth's friend is first do no harm, and if that is fulfilled, no one has authority to tell you not to do something, or specifically not to raise your children a certain way.  I probably don't understand it all the way, so if anyone wants to clarify or direct me to the right thread (searched and didn't find anything definitive).

The obvious problem here is that "do no harm" is great on paper, but can be extremely vague and difficult to achieve in practice.  Who is the one who gets to decide what "no harm" means?  Does everyone really agree that the way she is raising "honey boo boo" is not harmful to her, or does it just not cross "the line", where "the line" is different for every person?  I don't know that there are good answers to these questions, but it seems like if you agree that children could be taken away for ANY reason, then it seems hypocritical to say someone else doesn't fall under the same generalized label (libertarian) because their viewpoint differs in degrees.  Again, I'm probably just not understanding the libertarian philosophy fully, so I'd appreciate any insight.

I also wanted to add that I consider posting something around the same time as Dorothy to say roughly what she said, but never would've done any justice compared to what she wrote.  One of the better posts I've seen in my years on the internet.  100% agree.

« on: October 17, 2012, 10:37:18 pm »
Are you for frickin' real woman?

Paraphrase 'You have a right to do what you are doing but think it's wrong and I will passively condescend, shame and guilt trip you'

To me it seemed a lot more like 'I hope this goes well for everyone involved, but it's obviously a risk so even if they spin it really badly for you, here's some constructive feedback on how to turn that situation into a good thing".  It's certainly realist, but I don't see it as condescending or guilt tripping.  Considering the nature of television in general and these types of shows in particular, a healthy dose of realism seems like a good thing.

Anyway, I'm very interested to see how it turns out, so hopefully people keep up with this thread so I don't miss it.  As has already been said, even if they spin it wildly into the negative, there will be some viewers who can see tv for what it is, and question it further.  Just seeing someone eating raw meat who isn't racked with disease or already dead could be the start of more questions for some.

General Discussion / Re: How to cure insomnia?
« on: October 17, 2012, 09:30:11 pm »
A quick search for a device gives the following description on amazon -

" lie with eyes open and synchronize your breathing with the wave of soft light as its movement becomes slower and slower..."

Welcoming Committee / Re: Hi... I've just joined RPF
« on: October 16, 2012, 11:43:39 pm »
Welcome!  What do you mean by "curing" the liver?

YMMV, always go by how you feel.  I can't tell you what to do, but I can say that I, personally, wouldn't hesitate to freeze in tupperware and continue eating from that for a few months at least.  I couldn't justify the prices if I wasn't buying in bulk, and I just don't have open air fridge space to store 50-100lbs of meat.

Others on here would likely tell you to stay away from freezing.  I was just telling you what my situation was, I'm not actually FOR vacuum sealing/freezing, it's just extremely convenient for me.  If I had the setup and was fully committed to RPD, I would love to do it exactly like Iguana does.  Until then, I live with someone and we're phasing back and forth between SAD/cooked paleo with me doing some RPD as well.

Something that usually pops up right away in a response but for some reason hasn't yet is aerobic vs anaerobic bacteria.  The type of bacteria that forms in a no-air environment quite quickly at above freezing temperatures can be dangerous.  Hanging the meat like Iguana has (I'm jealous of the setup) allows it to age naturally and get the bacteria that aren't harmful (and can be helpful in digestion and gut health).

I can't roll details off the top of my head for glass > plastic, but I certainly trust it more with all the bad stuff that comes out about keeping your food in certain types of plastic (and then when they release some other kind, they find out 3 months later there's something awful in that kind too).  That said, I freeze my meat because I don't have a setup like Iguana's and buying in bulk is the only way that makes sense to me.  It comes in vacuum sealed plastic and I leave it that way in the freezer.  I've done so for months and eaten it raw later and had no problems.  I've seen a lot of other people say it doesn't taste as good after freezing, but I haven't had any problems with it. 

There's also the fact that freezing does reduce available nutrition due to burst cell walls, etc., but the info I've seen on it say it's really not THAT much, and nothing close to what cooking does, so I'm happy doing what I can for now.

General Discussion / Re: How to find good eggs
« on: October 12, 2012, 09:01:52 pm »
I'm still shaky on it for now.  I'm going to have to think some more.  It definitely feels like skirting the law and I don't know for sure that I'd be able to keep them.  I guess it's just a risk I'll have to consider taking since I won't get any more info out of them.  Any forum references you can give I'd be glad to check out though.

No kids so far, but that doesn't seem like a problem.  Just curious, do you use the SATZ method?  Or have you kinda just figured out your own way with all the critters running around.

General Discussion / Re: How to find good eggs
« on: October 11, 2012, 12:11:44 am »
Well this is the response I got back.  It seems mostly cut and dry against being able to keep them, but there's still the "household pet" vagueness.

"I’ve been asked to follow up on your request for information.
The requirement relative to chickens or family flocks of hens in Plainville is stated in terms of a minimum.  That is to say, that a minimum of two acres are required to permit the raising of chickens in any residential zone.  There are no exceptions in the zoning regulations permitting chickens on less than two acres.
The term household pet is not defined in the regulations.  If any term in the regulations is called into question, we refer to Webster’s dictionary.
I hope that this information proves useful. If you require additional information, please do not hesitate to contact me."

General Discussion / Re: How to find good eggs
« on: October 06, 2012, 02:14:34 am »
Hmm, well apparently the town law is to allow them on plots > 2acres.  I have followed up to see if any exemptions are made and/or what qualifies as a household pet, since they say household pets are allowed.  Doesn't look great though.  I would keep an eye on it, but really wouldn't be worried about the cat with full grown chickens.  The dogs sleep inside, though I know they do a fair share of staking claim to the area, we had foxes living under our shed once or twice before getting them and never since.  Also a possum that got tossed around a bit.  Anyway, let you know when I get another response back from the town.  Thanks again.

General Discussion / Re: How to find good eggs
« on: October 05, 2012, 08:45:15 pm »
Sorry, there were a lot of questions to answer, I thought I got them all!  Yes it's fenced in, though there's some small holes where puppies have tried to get through and I'm sure chickens could if they tried.  I'm sure the dogs would be very curious, but I'm sure I could work it out.  The cat would definitely eat up chicks in a heartbeat if she had access.  Don't feel like you have to go overboard on information.  Just sent in an email to the town and who knows if I'll even do it if I can, but I'm definitely interested in whatever you feel like passing on.  Thanks!

General Discussion / Re: How to find good eggs
« on: October 04, 2012, 08:00:54 pm »
I only have .35 acres, but it's mostly backyard.  2 dogs and a cat.  It's a house, no home owner's association.  There's a shed, that's currently seeing some use.  Probably wouldn't want to give it up, but if it was a huge benefit, I'd consider it.

I'll definitely try to find some information  about regulations first though.  I would absolutely not want to get invested with a bunch of time and money if there was even a chance that I'd have to just shut it straight down.

Anyway, it's probably a pipe dream at the moment, saving for other things and such, I was just interested in getting an idea of what it might take to get started from someone who is doing it the right way.

General Discussion / Re: How to find good eggs
« on: October 04, 2012, 01:01:34 am »
Well hmmph, apparently my search fu is weak then.  I tried searching and had little luck, but maybe I'll try searching through your posts and have more.

I'm in CT.  Actually my brother recently started raising some chickens, but I don't think he'll be putting out enough eggs to give out/sell for a while.  Do you have any posts about recommendations for an initial setup for chickens?  I don't know what my area's laws are, but I'm curious how much work/money investment would be involved to get going with maybe just a few chickens.

Welcoming Committee / Re: no more haggis?
« on: October 03, 2012, 11:05:49 pm »
Wikipedia defines haggis as -

"Haggis is a savoury pudding containing sheep's pluck (heart, liver and lungs); minced with onion, oatmeal, suet, spices, and salt, mixed with stock, and traditionally encased in the animal's stomach and simmered for approximately three hours. Most modern commercial haggis is prepared in a sausage casing rather than an actual stomach."

The biggest problem I see is the oatmeal.  That's a definite no-go.  The other big problem is that you're on a raw paleo forum, so unless you can manage to get raw haggis somewhere, then you're talking about more of a cooked paleo diet.  Of course, not everyone here is 100% raw paleo all the time, so it's up to you to figure out what's best for you.

Off Topic / Re: Music Recommendations
« on: October 03, 2012, 10:52:43 pm »
Argh, this thread is good at getting ressurected for some reason.  I take no blame for not looking at the dates since it was recently bumped!

Off Topic / Re: Music Recommendations
« on: October 03, 2012, 08:36:19 pm »
For the folky side of things you could try Avett brothers and Of Monsters and Men.  If you have any slight interest in bluegrass at all, I highly recommend the Steeldrivers as a good jumping off point.  I could start going on a recommending spree from all different angles, but I'm guessing you're probably going to be overloaded with stuff to listen to from this thread anyway.

General Discussion / Re: How to find good eggs
« on: October 03, 2012, 01:09:42 am »
Well that's disappointing.  I was hoping there was some easy way to find a good source that was hiding in plain sight.  I guess I'll just keep my eyes open and mostly stay away from them unless I manage to find a good source.  Thanks for the info, and thanks for the offer, but a trip to France for some good eggs is probably too much of a haul.

General Discussion / How to find good eggs
« on: October 02, 2012, 10:39:13 pm »
Hi all, I'm interested in eating more raw eggs.  There's a fair amount of talk about what you should shoot for when buying beef, as well as things to avoid with seafood, etc., but I'm having a hard time knowing what to look for in eggs.  Some people were talking about getting a more natural diet with their own chickens with meat scraps and stuff, but that doesn't seem like something I could find in someone selling eggs.

Obviously, there are a lot of people who eat raw eggs here, and I don't think everyone here owns chickens.  So what are some things to look for or some good resources to find good eggs for eating raw?  Do you just go with a local farm who seems to have their stuff together? do people eat grocery store eggs?  All I find are ones with labels which could be misleading and proud statements like "fed a 100% vegetarian diet" which just makes me sad that they're using that as a selling point.

So yeah, any information you have on what to look for when buying eggs for raw consumption would be much appreciated. 

Note that I've eaten raw eggs from WF once and mostly went on my gut based on the packaging info, and decided to just dive into it to try it.  Now that I'm interested in doing it more consistently, I'd like to make a "right" choice, if one's available, while also not overspending on marketing gimmicks either.


General Discussion / Re: Do cats like raw beef marrow?
« on: September 27, 2012, 08:42:19 pm »
I haven't heard that, but I certainly don't feed my cat mainly seafood, it's a once in a while thing.  They mostly get chicken/beef/pork.

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