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Journals / AHS13
« on: March 10, 2013, 07:47:44 am »
Guess who got a speaking spot at this Summer's Ancestral Health Symposium? This guy.

Off Topic / Re: Caveman Sex
« on: November 18, 2012, 02:09:09 pm »
You don't need tons of people in order to maintain 21st  century technology. I mean, a small country like Slovenia has nuclear power yet has only 2,052,000 citizens in it..

There is this thing called import of goods and export of work. Billions of dollars of both cross the borders of Slovenia during a year to allow the global division of labor to bring up the standard of living of each person there to the level it is at. Or are you suggesting that those two million people are self-sufficient in their current standard of living with their nuclear power etc?

Journals / Re: Lex's Journal
« on: October 02, 2012, 01:45:18 am »
I'd like to same something quick about glutathione, which is that I don't see how taking it directly leads to higher levels in the body. It is a tri-peptide and just about all of it should in theory be chewed up into the individual amino acids in the stomach before being absorbed. Some might get absorbed but tri-peptides in general don't absorb well, usually individual AAs and some di-peptides are the bulk of absorbed protein. Glutathione is a great thing to have in the body but I don't see how taking preformed supplements necessarily leads to having more in a direct fashion.

General Discussion / Re: Ketogenic diets and cancer
« on: July 26, 2012, 11:22:26 am »
There is evidence that there are components in grapes that do and there have been many people that have been cured on the diet. No real scientific study on the cure of course because who's going to make money from it?

I asked because the resveratrol studies were in no way related to people treating cancer but dealt with cancer in a cell line in a petri dish being dosed with super-physiological amounts. So if the grape cleanse is based on it's resveratrol content then I don't think there's anything to it.

General Discussion / Re: Ketogenic diets and cancer
« on: July 15, 2012, 12:42:46 pm »
Is there any evidence that grape cleanse works to kill cancer cells?

Hot Topics / Re: US Needs Proportional Representation in Government
« on: June 03, 2012, 01:31:20 pm »
How's that working out in Europe?

Great photographs but to be honest I'm a little disappointed there's no photos of yours Jessica, based on your avatar photo.

The lengths people go to get honey in the wild is something else. It's very romantic but part of me wants them to be taught how to keep bees so they don't have to fall to their deaths every so often.

Personals / Re: Anyone in NJ?
« on: May 22, 2012, 10:31:13 am »
I live in South Jersey but work in New Brunswick.

Hot Topics / Re: raw coffee?
« on: May 15, 2012, 10:38:45 am »
Oh well, I guess it's like chocolate in that way.

Hot Topics / raw coffee?
« on: May 15, 2012, 02:49:49 am »
I saw this a couple of months ago at Whole Foods and gave it a try. I've been drinking some coffee recently to keep awake during full day study sessions and lab work (during which I could fall asleep while pinching my ear if I'm not careful).
There are other brands and I searched online and found recipes for making your own but this is the only stuff I've tried so far. Tastes like coffee, I mix it with milk (usually raw but w/e) and honey. If you use raw honey and milk you could have a fully raw coffee drink that is taste wise the same as chilled "regular" coffee.

Anyone try it?

Hot Topics / Re: Flies manifesting on rock?
« on: May 12, 2012, 12:17:07 am »
[quote author=trollofthedungeon link=topic=6326.msg90780#msg90780 date=1336507997

And yes evolution does mean exactly that survival of the fittest. Have you actually read any Darwin or are you just repeating your schools indoctrination?
all you want to do is play definition games.

Definition of words isn't a game. Fittest means to fit into an environment. Someone with a tendency towards obesity would fit better in an environment of low food availability. Devolution also isn't a biological term since it denotes direction to evolution. Evolution has no direction, there is no better or worse. If the poor stupid people in your examples have more kids then they are fitting better in their environment (which includes government support of them and their children) then successful people are, again "fitting" meaning passing on genetic information.

Hot Topics / Re: Flies manifesting on rock?
« on: May 10, 2012, 08:49:32 am »
I've never heard of the Annunaki but it looks like a word lifted from a tribal mythology. Also brings to mind the Scientology creation story.

Hot Topics / Re: Raw Vegan Study
« on: May 10, 2012, 08:47:45 am »
I don't consider soaking very intensive processing.

Hot Topics / Re: Flies manifesting on rock?
« on: May 09, 2012, 09:58:42 pm »
Where do you think the Annunaki or other ET's that placed original life on earth came from, evolutionarily speaking?

Hot Topics / Re: Flies manifesting on rock?
« on: May 09, 2012, 12:58:24 pm »
I mean fuck, if we can't even nail down the position and velocity of an electron then we've got a looooooooooooooooong way to go before we know shit about shit.

I see the quantum mechanics conundrum in a different light. Knowing the position and velocity of an electron at the same time (which is what can't now be done, they can both be known separately at any given time) is just about the only thing that there doesn't seem to be any headway in knowing. And this is cherry picked out of all of science to say something like "we don't know anything" which I think is an attempt to discredit a lot of real knowledge in order to disorient people into believing the ideas of the person making that claim. In this case it's AV, who like I'm sure everyone knows made a career out of claiming things that he didn't make an effort to prove, whether or not he could. He just says things, some people believe it for their own reasons (none of which are ever evidence) and people give him money for books and consultations. He's certainly not the first and won't be the last to make a career that way. Say what you want about scientists, that they don't know "anything" (as you use a computer based on science driven building techniques) but at least their stated goal is to convince through evidence rather than story telling.

I'd actually be very surprised if anyone who uses the electron thing has actually read any quantum theory science. I'll eat my hat if you got that from reading science and not from watching "What the Bleep Do We Know" or something similar.

Hot Topics / Re: Raw Vegan Study
« on: May 09, 2012, 12:50:06 pm »
Do you mean to say that if the grain was picked and cooked and eaten it would then be more healthy than fast food meat because it is processed less? The only necessary step in order to eat grains is to cook them, usually in water.

Hot Topics / Re: Flies manifesting on rock?
« on: May 09, 2012, 12:48:31 pm »
Haven't read the whole thread but it follows that if this is possible then it could be reproduced to demonstrate it, right?

Hot Topics / Re: Raw Vegan Study
« on: May 06, 2012, 01:46:49 am »
That's kind of a big part of the whole fast food thing, the grains. Take it away, you've got something substantially different.

Right, but Tyler is claiming is the fact that the food is processed that makes it unhealthy. The meat is just as processed as the grain, it's frozen, mashed up and mixed with filler and then cooked.

Hot Topics / Re: Raw Vegan Study
« on: May 03, 2012, 12:53:14 pm »
My biggest problem with this study is that it is not a controlled study. It states in the abstract that it's an observational study, which means it's not testing any hypothesis. There are no controls, the people who follow this diet know they're doing it. Not only that but the way they go about it is placebo on steroids. In the methods it states that they gave people Halleluya Acres writings which is raw vegan propaganda of a religious nature. So they gave these people propaganda that says all health problems are caused by eating animal products and processed food and then they proceed to do the best they can to follow the recommended dietary regimen for a few weeks, and they say they subjectively feel better. I'm trying to think of a softer way to look at dietary intervention and I can't think of one.

The whole idea of an intervention study is to not induce a placebo effect, and this group turns that idea on it's head by giving to the subjects propaganda saying what they're about to do will cure them. I find it hard to believe that a group of scientists couldn't find the time or had the writing skills to cobble together a raw vegan dietary regimen for their subjects themselves and had to rely on a religious propaganda booklet. The more I think about it the more I find this study one of the worst I've ever read. I just checked where it was published, an alternative medicine journal. I bet they have some high standards for scientific rigor over there. I just realized now there's two studies, the Hallelejah Acres and the Hippocrates Health Institute.

So in the one study they give the subjects information that says if they follow this diet they will get better and lo and behold the subjects say they feel better after a few weeks. Then in the other one they find that people who went to a health resort had better mood after. Well that about proves it huh, who has ever heard of someone going to a resort for three weeks and having an improved mood afterwards? It must be the raw vegan diet, not the fact that they aren't at work, taking care of kids, making their own meals etc. Seriously both of those studies are beyond rubbish imo.

Hot Topics / Re: Raw Vegan Study
« on: May 03, 2012, 12:29:12 pm »
I don't consider Morgan Spurlock's movie to be a credible study. His record keeping is fuzzy at best and cooking the books at worst, and in Fat Head that guy felt fine after a month of eating processed fast food as long as he didn't eat the buns.

Let me put it this way. I doubt you would post a study that gave those exact same results if it was about a cooked diet, even a cooked paleolithic one. You would tear into it saying it was short term and read it closely for mistakes or questions. Did you critically look at this study at all?

Hot Topics / Re: Raw Vegan Study
« on: May 03, 2012, 11:36:14 am »
What isn't healthy in the short term? Not eating? I could feel fine on a fast food diet for a few weeks.

Hot Topics / Re: Raw Vegan Study
« on: May 03, 2012, 12:10:27 am »
Wow 1-3 weeks treatment with a 12 week follow up questionnaire, that's a long time to assess a diet's effects on health. I think I might just base my lifestyle after that kind of rigorous investigation.

Raw Weston Price / Re: Baldness American indians
« on: May 02, 2012, 12:51:20 am »
I don't pay close attention but my hairline looks the same to me. I never really paid much attention but I think I developed a widows peak during my vegetarian and raw vegan experimental time, but that could have just been a coincidence.

Hot Topics / Re: Ray Peat podcast...interesting!
« on: April 24, 2012, 12:06:43 pm »
Hit it Raw, I think my analogy stands because even though humans are consciously designing engines for a fuel source their knowledge of what works is limited, especially in the beginning. So the first combustion engine was essentially trial and error, and future designers kept the parts that worked (analogous to beneficial mutations) while discarding ones that didn't (natural selection). While engineers probably believe that an engine they designed cannot run on a better fuel than they had in my I think it's pretty reasonable to say that in the vast possibilities of the universe there are probably some fuel mixtures, maybe similar or maybe very different, that would run as good or better. It just so happens that because of the availability of materials and how the human brain works we ended up with what we have.

Similarly things like refined sugar and aspiring weren't around during intensively naturally selective times in human history, but although we weren't selected for them by use that doesn't preclude them from working well.

Hot Topics / Re: Ray Peat podcast...interesting!
« on: April 23, 2012, 05:16:13 am »
That blip about the fruit eating vs. fish eating leading to larger brains in human evolution is not the "underpinning" of Ray Peat's health ideas. What part of that short statement says anything about using sucrose, aspirin and exogenous hormones? I think you're still hung up  on the evolution angle being necessary which to me doesn't make sense. That's like saying that if cars were built to run on gasoline, which we know they are, there is no possible fuel mixture that could work better, and that if you are designing new fuel you have to somehow link it to the traditional fuel used before. All evolution gives you is the increased likelihood that an organism will be well adapted to a food that it has access to due to natural selection. Of course at every juncture in evolution there is a point where food availability changed or the organism changed to take advantage of a new niche, it's all up in the air all the time but looks stagnant from where we're sitting, like how a forest looks stagnant but is really a war field with plants and insects attempting genocide, altering the land in their favor etc.

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