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Instincto / Anopsology / Re: neurological pathways
« on: February 22, 2012, 06:33:12 am »
Yes, I see what you mean. Very interesting. I remember Krishnamurti as the philosopher who blamed nationalisms and beliefs as the main source of clashes between humans and wars, wasn’t he? Shamanism may well be a way to find again the contact with the paranormal awareness that was very likely lost with the Neolithic way of life and Neolithic nutrition. 

Hi Iguana
there were two Indian mystics named Krishnamurti: the milder one (J) who is generally the better known of the two and would be the one speaking out on wars, and the fire breathing one (UG), who spoke at length about the inherent intelligence of the body and how mind establishes all manner of imaginary problems.
Both interesting individuals.

Yes agreed, our increasing dis-connect from nature and captivation with many modern beliefs, mean that for many people Shamanism is nonsensical.
Fortunately there are a few isolated individuals who have these 'primitive' abilities and can utilise them to the benefit of others.
And likewise, those individuals like your self who have (however) 'discovered' instinctive eating and are able to assist those, for which the idea resonates.
And so the 'primitive' links to the past remain alive.
Kind wishes, J

Brazil nuts, hazelnuts, almonds, sometimes I soak them, sometimes I dont.
Although there are tannins and phytic acid in the outer dark covering which with soaking leech out and which could be construed as 'anti', they also have redeeming qualities too (ha! the yin and yang of the nut!) : at least on some occasions when I find the taste quite appealing, far more appealing than the soaked equivalent.
Like last night for instance!  :)

Instincto / Anopsology / Re: neurological pathways
« on: February 20, 2012, 06:23:59 am »
Not by me and I’m not sure whether GCB has investigated on that matter. He did a lot of research and thinking about psychological difficulties and pressure of the subconscious but I never read anything concerning organism neurology.

Good points, anyway!  8)

Hi Iguana
I recall some years back, Indian mystic UG Krishnamurti caused a stir in spiritual circles when he claimed his 'enlightenment' was  neuro-biological, which he called 'a natural state'.
He likened this 'state' to falling back into a primordial way of functioning whereby senses operate quite directly in response to stimulii, without interference of thought (unless needed).
He explained that (to someone not functioning this way) past experience, culture, society, religious beliefs and so on, are inextricably tied-in with sense, and so these influences automatically colour what one sees, feels, hears (and of course tastes and smells.)
Many shamans (some even without the benefit of hallucinogenic substances) also perceive the world quite differently than what is generally thought to be 'normal'.
Some shamans who specialise in healing plants and foods explain that the foods 'talk' to them, and this 'talking' may come in the form of visions, but also direct vibratory input from the plants as they 'talk' to the shaman (not unlike an Instinctive Eater via smell and taste) as to what is palatable and beneficial to eat at a time, and what is not.
Like the example of UG Krishnamurti and some Shamans, there is a growing number of scientific thinkers who believe that neural pathways and configurations are responsible for these 'abilities'.
For what its worth, in light of these examples and my own experience, I think there is a good case to me made for organism wiring as a reason of explaining why some are able to eat 'instinctively'.
Now why that happens to one person and not another is another question, but it could be that by consistenly practicing with rigour and discipline, that the appropriate neural pathways adapt in response.
Enough of my rambling, thanks for the opportunity
Kind wishes, J

Instincto / Anopsology / Re: neurological pathways
« on: February 17, 2012, 06:02:25 am »
Hi Cherimoya-Kid
Yes, sorry I did not word that particular sentence well.
What I am trying to get at, is that for some people despite having those traits you describe, they are still not able to eat instinctively with any success because the direct sensory signals are not readily noticed or able to be differentiated from the automatic thought processes that generally accompany taste and smell (perhaps because the neural pathways are not configured appropriately)
Interestingly, with meditation discipline (especially mindfulness, and this is one activity that someone dedicated to the on-going, day in, day out, practice of Instinctive Eating would be doing), the undertaking increases pressure of a certain type on the organism. And in so doing - it appears - some pathways in the neurological system change in response.
And this change then forges the breakthrough, which in the case of Instinctive Eating, may include clearer awareness of the direct sensory signals.
Kind wishes, J

Instincto / Anopsology / Re: neurological pathways
« on: February 16, 2012, 04:53:00 pm »
Most Instinctos who were healthy when they started the diet are very intelligent people, very strong-willed, very independent, and open-minded.  Either that, or they were very sick, and got lucky and found the raw food diet while searching for a way to heal themselves.

Thanks Cherimoya_Kid
a circular debate can be had whether such traits are a background basis for an 'Instincto,' or whether these traits are reflective of certain neurological possibilities that can come to the fore with some people.

I have noticed however with meditators - to illustrate a possible correlation - that folk have different aims from the practice.
Some want to be less stressed to cope with the hurly burly of life, some want a bit more calm and time out.
Then, there are others who desire to lay it all on the line:  want to become a living Buddha, or transcend suffering or illness.
Generally, these folks focus all their energies on the practice and their life becomes devoted and centred around the practice and other things fall into secondary status.
It is from these people that some miraculous possibilities occasionally come to pass and the big breakthrough occurs.
And I guess a comparison could be made with very sick individuals who lay it all on the line and immerse themselves completely in the practice of Instinctive Nutrition.
It does seem to me that there is some type of re-wiring that occurs because Instinctive Eating over-rides the usual automatic thought processes for eating, in favour of direct sensory signals.
Certainly in my case, changes that took place to the body included variations in how particular nerve plexi sites functioned.
Kind wishes, J

Instincto / Anopsology / neurological pathways
« on: February 16, 2012, 08:49:30 am »
I have now read through many of the posts on this particular forum regarding 'Instinctive Nutrition'.
Although the posters here no doubt represent just a small total of overall people around the world who eat this way, it still seems that the number of true 'Instinctive Eaters' as a percentage of population is miniscule.
On this forum it appears that there are perhaps a handful or so that eat 'instinctively'.
Then there are others who seem open to the theory but it has not accorded into practice, there are the doubters and disbelievers, and those that cannot get a handle on the concept at all.
Many (if one uses this forum as a guide) seem to have tried but it has not solidified with any success into day in, day out, 'instinctive' practice.
This appears - in a number of cases  - not for any lack of effort, dedication, resolve or learning.
I have a theory that 'instinctive eating' is dependent on brain wiring pathways, on organism neurology, and so it is not for deficiency in desire that 'it' doesn't occur with some folk (that's not to say it can't occur), but rather that the neurological pathways are not 'thus' configured.
As I do not come to 'Instinctive Eating' from the usual Instincto/Anopsology teachings (see Kindred Spirits post) I would be interested to hear whether organism neurology and the implications to 'Instinctive Eating' has been documented by GCB, Iguana, or others.

Instincto / Anopsology / Re: birdfeed
« on: February 15, 2012, 04:28:08 am »
I still eat game, of course. I am not neurotic. You can only do the best you can anyway.

But, I have had parasites in my fresh wildcaught Atlantic cod from Norway too.. I just realized the living,  brown worms after I already tasted the meat. Same in herring.
 I still see no worms when I go to the toilet.. so I dunno. And I am feeling great.. not too thin or anything. I easily put on weight if I stuff myself too..
 Maybe it is not that bad to get some parasites inside? I really don't know. :o

Hi Inger
Yes, I agree, there is much to be said about a relaxed attitude to life (and however one eats). One does what one does, and utilises to the best of ones ability the foods one can reasonably acquire and then eats with grace and gratitude.
In addition, the stress hormones  from being hyper-obsessive can also be detrimental to a persons wellbeing.

Regarding parasites, I was flicking through an old National Geographic Magazine the other day and came across an article which was about microbes and parasites, and stated that there are more of these in the body than cells.
Furthermore the article went on to say that we co-evolved and that we have a strategic alliance, a symbiosis and that the human body is like a complex biosphere or ecosystem. These microbes and parasites help digest food, produce vitamins, fight disease and more.
And further postulates that human evolution is a side effect of the requirements of certain microbes.

No doubt there are some parasites and microbes which are more problematic than others, but I think in general with many people, the words 'parasite' or 'microbobe' carries a whole host (bad pun) of associated negative scenarios and imaginings that is not balanced by the beneficial aspects and possibilities.
Kind wishes, J

Instincto / Anopsology / Re: Is it dangerous to eat too much meat?
« on: February 14, 2012, 03:49:16 am »
For me, regarding the cooking (thoroughly, medium or light) of meat, whether a study says it is healthy, or not, is a moot point. Likewise, whether enzymes are more or less alive.
The cooking changes the meat. When it is not cooked, and is suitable 'wild' meat, there is a natural stop when one has had enough, and also its raw 'wildness' has its inherent smell attraction. (or not, depending on physiological needs)
As soon as a meat is cooked 'wildness' is lost and it becomes more a product of cooking preference as per gustatory and culturally learned sensualities, rather than direct sensory instinct.
For what its worth.

General Discussion / Re: Seeds in a RPD
« on: February 11, 2012, 05:12:21 am »
Hi Goodsamaratin
providing a wide range of nutritious foods are available, it is debateable whether it is even possible for children to 'overeat' raw seeds, in a manner similar to say, chocolate biscuits or cake or chips.
I would be surprised - if there are plenty of other seeds, fruits, vegies, seafood, animal foods, nuts, etc, available, if your son would 'go nuts' just on sunflower seeds.
And for what its worth, if he did, that to can be very telling about his nutritional needs.
At some point the enjoyment of sunflower seeds will wane in intensity.
But this is advice from an instinctive eater, so make of it what you will,
Kind wishes, J

General Discussion / Re: Canned food sucks... how will you hoard food?
« on: February 09, 2012, 05:40:24 am »
If the economy collapses or disaster strikes, I've made up my mind that I will go into the woods. Still I would like to go in a position of thriving. Canned food is pretty much out of the question, I think there are many other better options if we spend a little bit to prepare beforehand.

Hi Actup90
get out and spend time in the woods now. As much as you can. Day and night.
Listen, move around, smell, observe, feel, taste.
Notice the movement of the elements, the climatic conditions, the way animals, insects and plants respond and function in relation to their surrounds and the prevailing factors.
Notice how your body responds also to light filtering through the trees or in clearings, to scents and sounds carried on the winds, to the terrain underfoot, to the different times of the day, to the taste of the atmosphere, and so on, and so on.
Sit quietly, immerse yourself completely.
Book, video learning is fine, but direct immersion and experience is another thing completely.
Enjoy, and allow the pulse of the woods to course through you, and the gratitude and support that such an environment provides will become more and more apparent.
Kind wishes, J

Instincto / Anopsology / Re: Salt
« on: February 08, 2012, 06:30:24 am »
for what its worth, another perspective on salt..
I sip seawater from time to time (I am also attracted to shellfish and I eat seaweeds directly from the rocks) as the salt seems to replenish fluids excreted.
Too much straight water combined with high water content foods such as fruit and vegies, tends (for me) to promote headache type symptoms.
But this symptom is absent when my natural attraction to a salt-taste is followed, and likewise drinking straight water to instinct, rather than the recommended amount I 'should' be drinking.

Instincto / Anopsology / Re: Variety
« on: February 07, 2012, 06:23:55 am »
Yes, one of my fridges is packed with a lot of aged wild boar, fatty pork raised and fed acorns by some instinctos friends who are here with me now, and the liver and heart of a badger. Two skinned badgers (road kills) are hung in the basement as it is cold enough at the moment  :). 52 eggs from my own hens (currently laying about 4 per day) in the other fridge along with sweet potatoes from Spain, carrots, fennels, broccoli, celery…  Other foods we have now are apples, kiwis, a few remaining persimmons, tangerines from Spain, organic bananas from the Dominican Republic, home dried figs, prunes and peaches from my orchard, dates from Saudi Arabia, Iran and Tunisia, tamarind from Thailand, carob, walnuts, hazelnuts, pine nuts, almonds and avocados from Spain, peanuts and coconuts from Cameroon, olives from somewhere else in France and other things I forget… ;)  I ate all the wild oysters my friends brought from Brittany and I will probably buy some shellfish next Saturday.


No one is going hungry at your place!
Ample foodstocks, plenty of good company, must surely warm the cold temperatures. (have seen on tv the cold snap in much of Europe) :)
Kindest wishes, Jay

Instincto / Anopsology / Re: Variety
« on: February 07, 2012, 05:14:53 am »
Hi Francois,
Ha, well it is a delight to find other 'Instinctos'!
Perhaps you could include some of the foods from your region you have eaten recently.
Wild boar may be a provincial special?
And shellfish possibly?
Kind wishes, J

Instincto / Anopsology / Re: Variety
« on: February 07, 2012, 03:57:56 am »
*sigh* Could people please put their posts/topics in the relevant forums?!  I mean, this is the Instincto/Anopsology forum where dairy/cassava and other nonsense should not be discussed. No criticism here of the original poster, by the way, who at least stuck to Instincto guidelines and wasn't taking the piss.

Hi TylerDurden
no problems, I guess there are not so many folk that eat this way, or, perhaps do not view these posts anyway.
Each to their own.
For me, that there are (some) others that eat in a similar manner to myself (instinctive) is in itself quite astounding. See:
Kind wishes, J

Instincto / Anopsology / Re: Variety
« on: February 05, 2012, 12:20:24 pm »
Thanks Cherimoya_kid and KD,
and are you both able to source a large percentage of the food locally?

Instincto / Anopsology / Variety
« on: February 05, 2012, 11:23:30 am »
It may be interesting in terms of regionality, availability, and of course instinct, to see what (raw food) is being eaten.
This is - to the best of my memory - the foods I have eaten over the past 2-3 weeks or so:

Sea Urchin
Turban Snails
Fish (various: Dory, Snapper, Teragalin, Salmon)
Chicken Eggs
Sea Cabbage Weed
Kelp SeaWeed
Cherry Tomatoes
Snow Peas
White Sweet Potato
Red Lentils (soaked)

anyone care to share....?

Instincto / Anopsology / Re: Instinctive raw eating in practice
« on: February 04, 2012, 09:25:53 am »
........yes, just right.
Then celery.
Then peanuts.

Instincto / Anopsology / Re: Instinctive raw eating in practice
« on: February 04, 2012, 04:00:50 am »
This morning the air is heavy with the smell of the sea.
Oysters eaten directly from the rocks at low tide will (surely) be the ideal alimentary complement.

Hot Topics / Re: Germ theory information
« on: February 03, 2012, 01:49:03 pm »
Hi Dorothy
for what its worth, if a healing modality, whatever it may be, works for the patient, whether it is placebo or not, is not so important, no?
One could say that for many, an appointment with a whitecoat wearing a stethoscope in itself has placebo or healing qualities.
The cancer doctor Gershom Zajicek writes extensively on this subject (there is in fact much to read on his website relating to cancer and healing)
In these scientific days Shamanism is often scoffed at, yet  if the patient has belief in the therapy (or shaministic ritual) and has belief in the person doing the healing, and feel 'better' however one defines that, after the session, so be it.
Sorry, I have gone off on a tangent from germ theory, but if memory serves me right the GCB explanation seems quite reasonable.
Kindest wishes, J

Health / Re: What if raw Paleo doesn't work?
« on: January 31, 2012, 02:06:44 pm »
Hi Charlie
just to further illustrate perception.
I have worked with an individual who believed that something was wrong with him because he was gay.
Superficially he understood that this was not the case, but not wholeheartedly.
However, with work (and prying apart the deeper beliefs that sustained this viewpoint that there was something wrong with being gay) his negative viewpoint about himself changed completely and he was able to accept himself.
Perception  changed because what he had previously thought was 'wrong' was seen in a different light completely.
Along with the change in thinking, so to impacted on body as well, and a particular health issue cleared up.
Likewise, with perception change (through meditative and associated work), many people with cancer, go into extended remission, or live for much longer than the medical prognosis, or even become completely 'cured'.
By giving up the inner battle between 'this shouldn't be happening' and what is happening (at the time), a harmonious accord in the mind/body unit occurs.
What, and how one views ones circumstances can change.
Perception can change and the effects can be profound indeed.
Kindest wishes, J

Health / Re: What if raw Paleo doesn't work?
« on: January 31, 2012, 08:46:04 am »
I am moving to Hawaii tomorrow and just living in sunshine and sleeping and no electronics.  I'm going to try to not live under cellphone radiation too if possible.   Even so, I"m 23 years old, I shouldn't be having these problems.

Hi Charlie,
In my work I see the most profound healing to mind/body/spirit  when the perception changes from (shouldn't be happening to me) to one of (ok, this is how things are at present)
In accordance with this change in viewpoint, the inner thought battle subsides and the particular 'health challenge' can be embraced (or more easily accepted) as an opportunity for overall growth.
The move to a sunny, coastal/rainforest setting sounds great.
My best wishes are with you

Health / Re: What if raw Paleo doesn't work?
« on: January 30, 2012, 11:35:51 am »
Hi Charlie
I guess you have (or I recommend you should) devote as much time as you can outdoors in nature, getting plenty of natural light on the skin, breathing good air in forests, fields, parks or gardens and at the beach also. If you have any extra time during night hours, under the moon and stars is also beneficial especially in the locations mentioned previously.
Try and get away from the computer, television, cell phones, neon lighting, etc as much as you possibly can.
In short, immerse yourself in the outdoors, regardless of weather (within reason).
Let the winds, sounds, smells wash through you.
Nature is a wonderful healer. Maximise the opportunity.
Kind wishes, J

General Discussion / Re: fish vs red meats
« on: January 29, 2012, 01:33:28 pm »
"I do not know how to trust my sensory signals. If I go by that, I would love to eat the sweetest fruits all day long..."

Hi Joy2012
yes, intellectually it is easy to say this (and it may in fact be the case for you) ...but you may find a different phenomena actually takes place.
With watchful awareness, 'sweet and tasty' may become 'too sweet', or uncomfortably sweet, or starts to burn in the mouth, brings sensations of discomfort, etc when the bodies needs are met.
Because we live so much in our thoughts about things, sometimes we miss the subtle nuances and sensations that occur.
Kind wishes, J

General Discussion / Re: fish vs red meats
« on: January 29, 2012, 04:27:19 am »
Hi Joy2012

strive to nourish the trust in your sensory awareness, pre, during and post eating. The food preference, most agreeable/beneficial to your body at a particular time, will make itself known.

(And of course what food may be most agreeable to one, may be far less agreeable to another).

Very broadly speaking, from a shamanic perspective, fish (because they are cool blooded, live in water and generally less fatty) are considered more cooling to the body, whereas beef (because it is warm blooded land animal and mostly has heavier fat content) is considered more warming to the body.
In addition, these broad characteristics then lend themselves to certain types of healing/nourishment.
But very few people just eat beef or fish and so, other foods like nuts and seeds, or fruits, or veggies likewise have intrinsic qualities, that also have impact on overall homeostasis and harmony of the body. And there are other influences also.

The knowledge one can gather about food (whatever the perspective) can, and is, beneficial, but - for what its worth - I feel cultivating direct awareness of sensory signals and sensations is a major step in the overall harmonious functioning of the mind/body organism.

Instincto / Anopsology / Re: Instinctive raw eating in practice
« on: January 26, 2012, 02:16:32 pm »
Gratefully received today: abalone and sea urchin, straight from the water, eaten on rocks, sun warming body.
Later, some fruits on the beach.

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