UK farmers don't want to supply glands, so for me it would involve a massive countrywide search and large amounts of money to bribe someone. Hardly a nice self reliant local thing.

I believe food is the main key to health that's why I'm here. I'm not prepared to write off the majority of people who are not ready for raw paleo and might need something.

Who's to say that a supplement isn't the right choice for someone even on raw paleo for a certain reason? It's not all about mineral supplements there are many more. I think it's a bit blinkered to insist that everything can be solved with food for everyone.

We don't live in the world of our ancestors, and many haven't grown up on raw paleo food...and the food source may have changed anyway. You might want something to achieve a certain affect or 'bend' the way your system works.

Anyway, I'm glad that you agree that freedom to choose shouldn't be restricted.

I have used plants from all over the world for certain reasons. I also don't see why a blanket rejection of supplements is called for. People may have individual needs or want to achieve something specific in exercise etc. In any case the civil liberties implication is wrong as Kyle says if this does in fact turn out to happen.

On workout days i eat lots of fruit 2 hrs prior to working out and 30-50 grams carbs immediatly prior to the workout.

Is your digestion ok eating a lot of fruit some days and not others? I tend to think from my experience that it might make me constipated on non-fruit days as my gut has expanded.

Nah GS, I'm talking about my reasons and mainly others trying to do raw paleo. I'm sure there are a few out there apart from the main suspects here who reckon it's all easy

Is there any evidence for this gut shrinking on a low fiber diet or it's just speculations?

I don't have any, but Lex believes this and he's a methodical guy. I find the conclusion hard to escape from my experience.

Lack of starchy carbs - most people gravitate to non-starchy carbs even with a few carb sources. This can mean they're harder to control due to non stable energy levels. In my experience refeeds or cheats tend to run out of hand and I eat more carbs. It may need strict measurement to work this out.

Taste - eating raw paleo for a while can make cooked food taste strange and we gravitate towards raw. However, once eating cooked the taste can be addictive. For this reason I have found it easy to get on a cooked food bender once having a cheat meal. This may also be due to bacterial issues.

Intestinal flora - I don't know exactly what's going on with this, but it seems that there is some adjustment of bacteria, 'die offs' etc that make it hard to simply go between standard and raw paleo eating.

I've read a couple of Lyle McDonald books 'the ketogenic diet' and 'a guide to flexible dieting' and he seems pretty spot on in his recommendations for standard low carb and normal eaters. I recommend a read.

Both of them particularly the latter have helped me to clarify a few thoughts about why raw paleo can be hard to stick to and harder to do 'flexible dieting' with.

For people just wanting to lose weight his idea of a couple of 'free meals' a week where you can eat a meal with some junk as long as you don't go mad is good psychologically and practically and for raising hormone levels.

For standard dieters or low-carbers he also introduces refeeds where you eat a certain amount of carbs over a controlled time period. Some people have managed to adapt to low carb in the long term by just sticking it out for ages, but for those who can't for whatever reason (and we don't know for sure that everyone can in the same way) it seems good as it's likely that you still get adaptions to ketosis if you do this.

It also increases hormone levels so metabolism, sex drive etc can return which is good if you're in a period of life where you can't really wait for the adaption to take place.

I think his approach is great for standard dieters rather than the 'strict..strict..strict...FAIL!' approach that most people invariably take.

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That would be an easier way.

I thought the cayenne pepper thing was a long running joke on the forum I didn't think you actually put it on things.

You say a gash was healed in 1 day with no scar? Pretty big claim, but I will try it.

I rubbed raw cayenne pepper on my brain and now I'm the head of M15.

http://www.emascc.com/downloads/The%20Ketogenic%20Diet%20by%20Lyle%20McDonald.pdf

Great book. Seems to have a lot of insights about low carb. e.g. eat at least 150g protein for the first 3 weeks on zero carb, then you can reduce it to 50g.

Explains a few things for me.

I don't quite understand how anaerobic performance is necessarily reduced so much by zero carb/standard ketogenic diet. Surely the inuit would have done a large amount of anaerobic exercise hunting?

Opinions on here seem divided about whether sprint fitness is necessarily affected or not.

I was wondering:- does feeding the cows on grains increase their milk-yield  each day, or not at all? 

Also, how often do UK customers think that UK raw dairy farmers are also 100 percent grassfed cattle-owners? It's just that in the UK raw-dairy s, but who would settle for raw dairy instead. I mean, I sometimes feel a bit like a drug-dealer and a hypocrite  if I offer them chocolates  or sweets or cooked foods, even if that's what they want.

Hey Tyler. I've got this link for UK raw dairy. I don't use it so no idea what they're like.

http://www.hookandson.co.uk/HOW%20TO%20GET%20OUR%20MILK/how%20to%20get%20our%20milk.html

If they're on a standard diet anyway, don't you think cooked grass fed meat/rare would be doing them a favour though?

GS, I've had quite a lot of experience going on and off the paleo diet. In my experience, it just takes a week or so of gut discomfort and then you will be as 'adapted' as before. I know you've been doing it longer, but it seems to me there's little value in taking a little survival food to become adapted, as it will take gut shrinkage and maybe readjusting to allergenic things etc. If it comes to the crunch you will survive on it.

It tastes great to me.