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Re: too many eggs?
« Reply #25 on: July 05, 2010, 09:14:20 am »
how is this not volume? it literally means 80% ground beef. 20% ground fat. Why don't you correct some of my frequent spelling errors too. the point it is not a signifier of 20% by calorie. your ass is mass
Do you know the difference between volume and mass?
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Re: too many eggs?
« Reply #26 on: July 05, 2010, 09:47:16 am »
Do you know the difference between volume and mass?

Yep, even went to school originally on an engineering scholarship. The point is, its irrelavent to what the person was asking, and if you wanted to nitpick, you could have done so without being so aggressive. never-mind assuming that others might be mystified by the idea that a butcher would actually have to weight meat to decide what volume to use in ground meat instead of just eyeballing slabs based on how big they looked.

Perhaps my math is indeed a little shoddy, but I'm pretty sure by ounce portion, its is impossible to be 20% fat by weight. Either way, I do not care, as to me this is more about some kind of reaction towards my past comments of trail mix jerky 'paleo' and constantly posting DR worship threads.

assuming 1 ounce of (standard grainfed) 80/20 ground beef is 71 calories 71 % fat 29 % protein

1 ounce beef fat is 239 calories essentially 99% fat so 20% of that is already 47.8 calories or 67% fat if there was no other added animal foods (ie ground up paper) contributing to make up a 1 ounce patty.

depending on the cut, one ounce of beef is 40 calories per ounce at 40% fat or 16 calories of fat per ounce.

so that would mean in total 64 of the 71 calories would be fat if its 20% fat by mass. which would be 90% fat ground beef by calorie.

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Re: too many eggs?
« Reply #27 on: July 05, 2010, 10:04:53 am »
Yep, even went to school originally on an engineering scholarship. The point is, its irrelavent to what the person was asking, and if you wanted to nitpick, you could have done so without being so aggressive. never-mind assuming that others might be mystified by the idea that a butcher would actually have to weight meat to decide what volume to use in ground meat instead of just eyeballing slabs based on how big they looked.

Perhaps my math is indeed a little shoddy, but I'm pretty sure by ounce portion, its is impossible to be 20% fat by weight. Either way, I do not care, as to me this is more about some kind of reaction towards my past comments of trail mix jerky 'paleo' and constantly posting DR worship threads.

assuming 1 ounce of (standard grainfed) 80/20 ground beef is 71 calories 71 % fat 29 % protein

1 ounce beef fat is 239 calories essentially 99% fat so 20% of that is already 47.8 calories or 67% fat if there was no other added animal foods (ie ground up paper) contributing to make up a 1 ounce patty.

depending on the cut, one ounce of beef is 40 calories per ounce at 40% fat or 16 calories of fat per ounce.

so that would mean in total 64 of the 71 calories would be fat if its 20% fat by mass. which would be 90% fat ground beef by calorie.
My thread was not meant to be aggressive. You posted incorrect information. Im sorry that I actually care that some people here want to learn something, but I find it would be more helpful to oh...idk...give them correct information?

As for my DR threads, just wondering exactly how am i worshipping him if Im trying to tell everyone how much I dislike him? Im pretty sure everyone here already knows about him.

Its probably a good thing you didnt finish your engineering scholarship because you made your little math "problem" way to complicated and still managed to do it incorrectly.

Lets take a simplistic approach here. 4 ounces of 80/20 beef = 112g. 20% of 112g is 22.4g. So the fat content of 80/20 beef should be 22.4g. Now lets take a look and see if my math is correct here.
http://www.livestrong.com/thedailyplate/nutrition-calories/food/trader-joes/8020-ground-beef/
P.S. Idk if you kept up but the reason it says only 22g of fat on the website is because they rounded down.
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Re: too many eggs?
« Reply #28 on: July 05, 2010, 10:43:06 am »
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I concede that you math is simpler but your arn't accounting for the fat content that is present in the lean, so therefore its not 20% fat by mass in the way meat is labeled 10% fat or 0% fat. The labeling is 20% total weight of macronutrient fat in grams, in other words you can't use the 80/20 figure to measure out the lean and fat based on mass and if you were to say that 80% is lean meat by mass it would be inaccurate so saying mass is incredibly confusing in dealing with a macronutrient. the topic was in reference to eating lean meats at '0' fat and the advantage of ground meats that had '20% fat', volume was a sufficient answer. I never said the percents took chunks of volume, only used that to prove it is not speaking of mass of fat and lean. I'd be interested to hear how much pure fat you can figure out from your website here without a similar mathematics tactic.

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Re: too many eggs?
« Reply #29 on: July 05, 2010, 11:16:37 am »
What are you talking about? The whole point of the 80/20 label on ground beef is to tell you the average amount of fat percentage (by mass or by weight if you want to say it that way). And yes I am taking into account the amount of fat that is in lean meat. Thats all accounted for when producing ground beef. Idk why you keep trying to keep making things more complicated than they are but the simple truth is that the 80/20 label means that when the mass or weight of the meat is measured the average lean part of the meat accounts for 80% of the total mass (or weight) of the meat and the total fat accounts for 20% of its mass (or weight).

I concede that you math is simpler but your arn't accounting for the fat content that is present in the lean, so therefore its not 20% fat by mass in the way meat is labeled 10% fat or 0% fat.
And you said that I was a nitpick?
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Re: too many eggs?
« Reply #30 on: July 05, 2010, 11:34:22 am »
listen, this was the question

question.. i can get access to 80/20 raw ground beef..

if its 80/20, is that a good balance? still seems like 80% protein, 20% fat, is still a wrong ratio

in another thread he was talking about how much fat needed to be added to lean meats etc... and how much added PHYSICAL fat is necessary and obviously there was some confusion on this. I admit my answer was not accurate but at least it tackles the issue at hand. I appreciate the need to supply accurate information, but since your answer is not technically accurate even after multiple explanations I don't know how to apologize for my mistake. Its clear that the correct meaning is the amount of macronutrient fat as a percentatge to total weight of the ground meat and says nothing about how much is lean meat and how much is pure fat. if you think it also accounts for 80% of it being from lean sources, than I really think you need to check even the basic math you have listed. Other than that, reading over things again my initial clarifications were much more incorrect than yours.

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Re: too many eggs?
« Reply #31 on: July 05, 2010, 12:12:59 pm »
listen, this was the question

in another thread he was talking about how much fat needed to be added to lean meats etc... and how much added PHYSICAL fat is necessary and obviously there was some confusion on this. I admit my answer was not accurate but at least it tackles the issue at hand. I appreciate the need to supply accurate information, but since your answer is not technically accurate even after multiple explanations I don't know how to apologize for my mistake. Its clear that the correct meaning is the amount of macronutrient fat as a percentatge to total weight of the ground meat and says nothing about how much is lean meat and how much is pure fat. if you think it also accounts for 80% of it being from lean sources, than I really think you need to check even the basic math you have listed. Other than that, reading over things again my initial clarifications were much more incorrect than yours.
I'm in no way implying that the 80% lean part of the meat consists of pure protein? Lean meat doesn't just have protein it includes other nutrients and water which accounts for most of its mass.
this is a ratio of volume. if one can get really grass-fed 80/20 beef (which is very rare in my experience) this would equal 70% fat by calorie without adding other fat.
I didn't start the explanation of what 80/20 is. You did. And you did it incorrectly. I in no way meant to criticize you, I just wanted to clarify a mistake.
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Re: too many eggs?
« Reply #32 on: July 05, 2010, 12:49:35 pm »

I'm in no way implying that the 80% lean part of the meat consists of pure protein? Lean meat doesn't just have protein it includes other nutrients and water which accounts for most of its mass.I didn't start the explanation of what 80/20 is.

sigh, more condescending talk. I asked if you could figure out how much pure animal fat or lean meat went into the ground meat without using slightly more complex math. in other words if you could replicate the total fat/ total mass through the components from scratch. In simple terms how much lean meat goes into 80/20 ground meat.

my math and explanations were not complicated, they were accurate going on the assumption that by mass it was made up to be 20% animal fat and 80% lean by mass, which is what one would assume by the use of the term mass. I now have a grasp now on what was meant, and actually your initial statement was basically right.
You did. And you did it incorrectly. I in no way meant to criticize you, I just wanted to clarify a mistake.

well it was definitely taken that way, although in retrospect I overreacted. afaic since one can just look up the actual calorie measurement which I had already listed initially its pretty irrelevant what the label means. It could be called 'extra tall grande meat' as knowing how many grams of fat within it is useless without secondary information like how much those translate to calories or contribute towards total fat intake, especially when one has the necessary info of macronutrient percentage and calories per weight at their fingertips. I admit to full ignorance otherwise as I don't even support buying pre-ground meat. The point was that ground meat is adequate fat by calorie but I was incorrect to use the word volume.

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Re: too many eggs?
« Reply #33 on: July 05, 2010, 01:01:15 pm »
sigh, more condescending talk. I asked if you could figure out how much pure animal fat or lean meat went into the ground meat without using slightly more complex math. in other words if you could replicate the total fat/ total mass through the components from scratch. In simple terms how much lean meat goes into 80/20 ground meat.
Yes I can.
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Re: too many eggs?
« Reply #34 on: July 05, 2010, 01:18:03 pm »
So,what's more important? To figure out how much % of fat one eats? or to figure out how much % of "calories" (of energy/food intake) one derives from fats?(or is that the same thing?I don't think it is,but let me know).
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Re: too many eggs?
« Reply #35 on: July 05, 2010, 01:26:32 pm »
So,what's more important? To figure out how much % of fat one eats? or to figure out how much % of "calories" (of energy/food intake) one derives from fats?(or is that the same thing?I don't think it is,but let me know).
No its not the same as fats contain 9 calories per gram and proteins only contain 4 calories per gram. Its important to figure out how much % fat one eats in calories.
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Re: too many eggs?
« Reply #36 on: July 06, 2010, 10:36:14 am »
Let's try to keep MrZ's thread questions re: eggs in mind:

What is the upper limit per day for eating raw eggs?
Can one get sick from eating too many raw eggs?
Do 80/20-labeled cuts of meat contain enough fat as an alternative to eggs?

[edit: text deleted--question re: 80/20 % resolved by discussion participants]

Thanks.
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Re: too many eggs?
« Reply #37 on: July 06, 2010, 10:39:47 am »
Sorry we settled out yesterday :)
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Re: too many eggs?
« Reply #38 on: July 06, 2010, 10:41:27 am »
OK, thanks.
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Re: too many eggs?
« Reply #39 on: July 06, 2010, 10:55:41 am »
none.. just been eating SAD for 20+yrs, so have some acne, white tongue, low energy, tiredness..

so i switched to all raw diet.. im thinking eggs are almost the perfect food??

For today i ate:

Bison heart,
Bison steak,
2 avocados
12 Eggs

That was it.. all raw/grass fed/pasture raised... I think im on the right path :-)

Now i just need to figure out the upper limit for raw eggs

    I know of people who eat 48 eggs per days for decades and are just fine that way.  I never ate more than 10 per day. 

    I was just thinking this evening before I signed on that I have too many chicken eggs.  That's why I clicked on your discussion title.  I need to put some in the compost.  I've never thrown any away before, but I waited too long this time.
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Re: too many eggs?
« Reply #40 on: July 06, 2010, 11:20:34 am »
the whole egg, right?  and does anyone eat the shell?  do people eat egg shells?  idk, just wondering. i think people give the shell to their dogs.  i usually just give my dog the yolk, but i'll try giving her the entire egg (not cracked) to see what she thinks of it.

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Re: too many eggs?
« Reply #41 on: July 06, 2010, 12:16:22 pm »
    I know of people who eat 48 eggs per days for decades and are just fine that way.  I never ate more than 10 per day. 

    I was just thinking this evening before I signed on that I have too many chicken eggs.  That's why I clicked on your discussion title.  I need to put some in the compost.  I've never thrown any away before, but I waited too long this time.
Just so you know eggs are good for 6 weeks outside of a fridge according to SAD precautions. So in the fridge and with raw paleo standards I would think they are still acceptable for quite a while.
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Re: too many eggs?
« Reply #42 on: July 06, 2010, 02:11:35 pm »
Just so you know eggs are good for 6 weeks outside of a fridge according to SAD precautions. So in the fridge and with raw paleo standards I would think they are still acceptable for quite a while.

    Thank you Kurite.  Raw paleo can use a refrigerator?  Just kidding, but these have never been refrigerated, and I've had them since March.  Just tonight a smell started to emanate a wee bit.  It's time for me to ditch these chicken eggs.
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Re: too many eggs?
« Reply #43 on: July 19, 2010, 07:23:36 pm »
Speaking of having eggs for too long, I have some (commercial) chicken eggs in my fridge which have been in there for quite some time, a few months at least.. And I was wondering if they would have gone bad by now or if they are still safe to eat?  (and consume raw.)

I read somewhere that you can tell if an egg is rotten by putting it in water, if it sinks then it's good, if it floats it's rotten.. I tried this with one of the eggs from the fridge and it floated, but when I cracked it open in the sink there was no bad smell that I could tell and it looked good and normal.  I don't know if any of this is really an indication of eggs being rotten or not though, and I'm a bit afraid of trying to eat any of these eggs, especially since they are regular commercial eggs and not even close to being organic or anything in any way.
Hi, I'm 32, around 5'4" and ~124lb, no real significant health problems other than hyperventilating when running/exercising (that my doc said was because of the smog/asthma), fatigue, and really bad acne.
I'd preferably be a carnivore/very low carb, but I have had a very hard time finding grass-fed or even organic fats, organs, and marrow. I consume raw dairy, but I do not eat much vegetables.. however, I do love fruit.
I live with my dad, so I also have to sneak any raw meat eating.

 

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